Jason Sands

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Definition

A former U.S. Air Force master sergeant who has publicly claimed knowledge of UAP incidents and legacy programs, including in appearances connected to Joe Rogan's podcast.

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Lenval Logan: “We’ve Seen Better” | Grusch, UAP Footage & The Phenom App

That UFO PodcastOct 9, 2026

Former UAP Task Force member and retired U.S. Air Force intelligence analyst Lenval Logan reacts to David Grusch's latest claims on Joe Rogan and reveals what was discussed inside the task force, including footage he says showed a huge object moving underwater. He argues that recently released government UAP footage is not the best material available, and he shares a strange personal encounter with a mysterious blue figure that he had been reluctant to discuss before. Later, Matt Stevens presents the Phenom app, a citizen-science platform meant to verify UAP sightings with sensor data and a clear chain of custody as AI-generated fakes become harder to spot.

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