The White House vs UFO Gatekeepers: Who Controls the Evidence?
That UFO PodcastOct 20, 2026
Hosts Andy McGrillen and Pavel of Seco Activo dig into claims that the White House is bypassing an entrenched 'Legacy Program' to investigate UFOs itself, including alleged UAP luring and retrieval operations at White Sands Missile Range tied to Skywatcher's Jake Barber. They review Jay Stratton's new memoir and media tour, Garry Nolan's frustration that the UAP science council has received no data, and Dr. Phil's claims that the US holds 50 to 100 non-human craft. The episode closes with Pavel's investigation into a secretive Templar order allegedly recruiting prominent UFO figures like Chris Bledsoe and 'Science Bob' McGuire.
