A Small Medium at Large with Gail Hayssen (4K Reboot)

Summary

Psychic Gail Hayssen tells Jeffrey Mishlove about a childhood marked by severe trauma, a strict vegan commune, and a Hindu swami babysitter, experiences she believes opened her psychic abilities. She describes being trained as a star psychic demonstrator for Mind Dynamics under Werner Erhard just before he launched est, and why she walked away after a frightening encounter with a dark entity. She also explains how a prophetic dream led her to remote viewing research with parapsychologists Russell Targ and Dean Radin at Paul Allen's Interval Research think tank.

Key takeaways

• 1Gail claims she was in Werner Erhard's second-ever class at Mind Dynamics, where she learned to diagnose illnesses from only a name, age and city, and later became a 'demonstrator' used to sell the course
• 2Russell Targ later told her she was 'a shell being used to sell the course'; she says Erhard donated $50,000 to Stanford Research Institute
• 3Her father gave Erhard the book 'Thinking and Destiny' by Harold Percival and says he then saw its material used in classes; she says est drew on Rosicrucian and L. Ron Hubbard ideas
• 4Her father claimed he was imprisoned at Lewisburg Federal Penitentiary alongside Wilhelm Reich and gangster Frank Costello, and suspected Reich's death was an 'inside job' after which his writings were taken
• 5The family lived in a vegan commune led by Jay Dinshah in Escondido; Dinshah's father was imprisoned over color therapy machines, which Gail says healed her father's severe car-accident injuries in six weeks
• 6Gail was invited to do remote viewing experiments with Russell Targ and Dean Radin at Interval Research, a think tank founded by Paul Allen, around 1997-98

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she's 94 now the same mother of the stories that you read about and all she does is call me up just crying about how i'm the most wonderful daughter and how much she loves me so to go from the point where the two of us used to just tell each other how much we hated each other with a passion has now grown to this passion of loving each other and to me that's things i like to share because i hear about people's stories and they're not willing to forgive and forgiveness is beneficial for all the people involved so it's a great learning and a great teaching and if you have to wait you know my father used to always say where there's life there's hope so you can never say a relationship is ruined forever you don't know until you're dead you could maybe heal it in between the same with i have three children from three different men and they all get along wonderfully the children the men you know we all have a nice relationship keep watching to learn more new thinking aloud is presented by the california institute for human science a fully accredited university offering distant learning graduate degrees that focus on mind body and spirit the topics that we cover here we are particularly excited to announce new degrees emphasizing parapsychology and the paranormal visit their website at cihs.edu the new thinking aloud magazine issue 10 on ufos and uap is now ready for free download and you can also order beautiful printed copies go to newthinkingallowed.org book four in the new thinking aloud dialogue series is charles t tart 70 years of exploring consciousness and parapsychology now available on amazon thinking aloud conversations on the leading edge of knowledge...

Excerpt from New Thinking Allowed, Oct 1, 2026. Rights remain with the original creators. Hear the full episode at the source.