Andrew Collins | Karahan Tepe, Entering Sky World, & Plasma Being Communication Rituals

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And until we thoroughly tested every last close chested view, I find the more we think we know, that the less we really do, where would we be without THC? Because we know they're lying to us. Just don't know to what degree. Where would we be without THC? The higher side checks show. Gregg Carlwood and company. Then you can't steal my sunshine from the sunshine state. I'm Gregg Carlwood, and while the modern world is full of individual people with bizarre stories of entity encounters, crop circles, balls of light, and strange journeys to hidden realms, our culture is completely devoid of any acknowledgment, let alone encouragement or understanding of these engagements. But what if long ago civilizations existed where this was not the case and in fact, entire stone megaliths and monuments were built for facilitating this non human entity communication with animalistic spirit beings and conscious plasma? A time where shamanic rituals were popularized and leaned into long before the multitude of distractions and entertainment options of today. A legacy perhaps carried on through secret societies despite every attempt to destroy it by the consolidated power structure of the time. Well, these are just some of the major themes found in the work of today's guest, Andrew Collins, who has been writing about the crossroads of history and science for over 40 years with books like From the Ashes of Angels, The Forbidden Legacy of a Fallen Race, Gods of Eden, Egypt's Lost Legacy in the Genesis of Civilization, The Cygnus Mystery, unlocking the ancient secrets of life's origins in the cosmos, LightQuest, your guide to seeing and interacting with UFOs, mystery lights, and plasma intelligences, the Cygnus Key, the Denisovan legacy, Gobekli Tepe and the birth of Egypt, Gobekli Tepe, Genesis of the Gods, the Temple of the Watchers and the Discovery of Eden, and the 2 co authored books with doctor Gregory Little that we've covered previously, Denesovan Origins, Human Hybrids, Gobekli Tepe and the Genesis of Giants in Ancient America, and Origins of the Gods, Kisum Caves, Skinwalkers, and Contact with Transdimensional Intelligences. His latest book, Karahantepae, Civilization of the Anunnaki and the Cosmic Origins of the Serpent of Eden, puts the Karahantephe site in the larger context of shamanic rituals and higher intelligence he's been talking about for years. And let it also be known that among Andrew's greatest achievements in the field of ancient civilizations was the discovery of a huge cave complex beneath the shadow of the Great Pyramid of Egypt, now known as Collins Cave. A true legend, and I'm lucky to have him here, the plasma intelligence hypothesizer ancient civilization sleuth and teacher of the tepes. Andrew Collins, I can hardly believe it. Welcome to THC. Hello, Greg. Thank you for that extraordinary introduction. Hopefully, I'll live up to that in what we talk about today. Oh, I know you will, and I'm just super excited about this. It's only been a year or 2 since I started to understand the plasma context when it comes to communications with some sort of hyperdimensional beings and the things usually called aliens or spirits or even gods. And then I learned that you've been highlighting this since at least your 2012 book, Light Quest, if not before. But to start with the latest book, this does come up in Karahantepay because your assessment of the site is that it was a ritual space designed for communication with just such a being. Right? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, what is Karahantepay? It is arguably the most enigmatic of the so called Tajtepeller ritual sites in Southeastern Turkey, but not the most well known. The most well known is, of course, Gobekli Tepe, which we've known about since the beginning of this current century. And I've been on since that time. And the reason why I got on to it was because in the mid 19 nineties, I wrote a book which you've already mentioned called from the ashes of angels, which talked about the myths and legends of the various different mythical beings of the Near East and Middle East that were said to have given humanity the rudiments of civilization. In Hebrew myth, they are known as the Watchers and the Nephilim. In Mesopotamian myth, they're known as the Anunnaki. In Iranian myth, they're known as the Immortals. In Armenian myth, they're known as the Giants. And all of them are said to have looked quite different to the mortal beings that they interact with. But they're very clearly, in my opinion, a memory of flesh and blood human beings that existed on this earth and probably were responsible for kick starting what we know as the Neolithic revolution at the end of the last ice age. And this occurred in what is today southeastern and eastern Turkey. And this created this first post ice age civilization that we know today under the term Trasztepella. And this is a term that people are gonna have to get familiar with because it's what the people in Turkey want us to call it. Tas basically means stone, really, and this refers to the fact that this culture were the first to build in stone. And the tepala relates to the tepes, which are these occupational mounds, these layer cakes of human activity, which all of these structures have been built either within or on top of or whatever. Each different generation building something new, either to the side or on top and gradually creating this huge mound that you often see in the landscape of southeastern Turkey. I mean, not only is places like Gobekli Tepe, obviously, by virtue of its name, one of these occupational mounds, but there are literally hundreds of them. And most of them have actually not been fully investigated. I mean, if you go to that area, you'll you'll see them all over the place. I mean, some of them date back 12000 years, but some of them only go back to the iron age, maybe to 3000 years. But it's a familiar site. So this is the term that's now used, Tashtepeller. And this revolves around Gobekli Tepe, around Karahantepai. And what you have at these sites are these extraordinary stone enclosures with t shaped pillars. And these t shaped pillars are like spokes of a wheel around what is generally two much larger monolithic t shaped pillars at the center of these enclosures. And the t shaped pillars themselves are covered in beautiful carved imagery, mostly animals, animals presumably of the natural world in which these people lived. But also, there is human representations as well, plus human heads. There are certain animals that crop up again and again, like the boar, the vulture, the leopard or panther, the bull, which very clearly must have had a special place within this community, probably to do with animistic and shamanistic beliefs. And there are also beliefs and practices that can be deduced from a number of the carved pillars, particularly one called pillar 43 that we find in Gobekli Tepe, which is essentially an information board, really, telling the shaman how to enter into the sky world and what exactly they'll find when they get there. So this is the background of it, but Karahantepai is somewhere that I've been going to since 2004, so over 20 years now. And when I first got there, all that you could see on the ground was just a few angled pieces of what they call pothole stones, which looked like they might have come out of a medieval building, but they dated back at least 10000 years. There were stone tools all over the place, thousands of them, showing that there was an awful lot of human activity there in the past. But in addition to that, there were the heads of these t shaped pillars just sticking up out of the ground. Most of them quite warm because they've been exposed above the surface of the Earth, you know, for probably 10000 years. And it was quite obvious that somewhere here was another Gobekli Tepe. And in 2019, excavations began there under the leadership of doctor Nezhmi Karol of the University of Istanbul. And from that point onwards through to today, they've uncovered what I would describe as virtually a lost city of the Anunnaki. Why the Anunnaki we can come on to? But, I mean, it's just extraordinary, and it's quite clear that what was happening at Karahantepay is far deeper, far rawer, far more shamanic than what was happening at Gobekli Tepe. I mean, to me, Gobekli Tepe is almost like a sort of Catholic cathedral, you know, of lots of different chapels and churches and rooms and whatever. Whereas whatever was going on at Karahanshaepe was much darker, much more gnostic. You know, these people were trying to get to the root of everything, trying to understand quite literally, you know, who we were, where we come from, and what's out there, basically. Mhmm. Well, that is a great summary. And on the subject of how to enter the sky world that you mentioned, I wanted to read this section even though it's long, and I'm gonna butcher the names. But this section is called entering starry portals. In their seminal work on the development of beliefs and practices relating to world ages, cosmic axis, and the concept of processional time titled Hamlet's Mill, Italian American philosopher and historian of science, Giorgio d Santillana, and German anthropologist, Hertha von De Chan, had much to say about such alignments, drawing on star lore and mythological traditions from such diverse places as North and South America, Polynesia, Egypt, and Mesopotamia, they gathered together compelling evidence to suggest that there once existed a collective understanding regarding the soul's journey to the afterlife via the Milky Way. This, they proposed, was accessed via 2 sky gates corresponding to where the elliptic, the sun's annual path through the zodiacal constellations, crossed this starry stream making the outer rim of our own Milky Way galaxy. One of these sky gates was located in the vicinity of the Scorpius, Sagittarius, and Ophiuchus, with the other on the opposite side of the sky close to the constellations of Gemini, Taurus, and Orion, and the cluster of 7 stars known as the Pleiades. Both sky gates became accessible to the land of the living when they lined up with the local horizon at the time of the summer and winter solstice. And then you go on to talk about the alignments of Karahamtepay fitting into this model quite nicely, but it's that last part I hoped you could elaborate on. Both sky gates became accessible to the land of the living when they lined up with the local horizon at the time of the summer and winter solstice. I mean, what does that really mean? Because that is quite bizarre. It seems like a natural cosmic timekeeping system that opens portals to the sky world that is just completely lost today. I mean, when we talk in terms of alignments at ancient sites, you know, we think of places like Stonehenge that's aligned to the the summer solstice sunrise, and at the same time, the winter solstice sunset. We think of Newgrange, the huge passage grave in the Boyne Valley of Ireland, which was built about 3,000 BC, the same time as Stonehenge. That's aligned to the winter solstice sunrise. And if you're inside its chamber, at this time, the sun will come along this long thin corridor and hit these carvings at the back of the chamber. An incredible experience and would have had massive symbolic value for these people. You know, we also think of the moon. There are sites that are aligned to the maximum points in the 18.61 year cycle of the moon. And we also think of stars. You know, we know that Orion was used prominently in the orientation of ancient sites worldwide, most obviously at Giza, although I have my own views on that. But the key is that these are not done simply for the sake of it. I mean, firstly, these alignments are done to synchronize, you know, the day to day living or the yearly growth cycle of people on earth to to synchronize their life with the celestial bodies. In other words, that they're a part of the sky themself, a case of as above, so below. You know, that famous old axiom. But it's more than that because these people believed that there were 3 different worlds. When I say these people, I mean, this is a universal belief that's found amongst Native American peoples, amongst Siberian and Mongolian shamans. It's in Eastern Europe, and it would seem to have been at places like Gobekli Tepe and Kara Han Tepe. And this is the concept that there were 3 different worlds. There is our world, the middle earth. There is a lower world, which we often refer to as the underworld, but there is also the sky world or the upper world. And all of these are linked via some kind of means, whether it be a tree, like in Norse tradition, you have the uttrosil tree, the gray ash tree that links the 3 worlds. It could be something like a sky pole, you know, a symbolic pole that would be erected that shamans would literally climb to actually reach the top to believe that they were entering into the sky world. And the lower world was accessed via things like pools of water or springs or holes in the ground that would open up when trees were knocked down during thunderstorms and hurricanes and stuff like that. So there were these 3 different worlds, but how did you get to the sky world? And the way that you got to the sky world was via something that we don't even think about very much today, and that's the Milky Way. You know, when we look outside here, I mean, I live in an urban environment. You know, I can see the stars. I can see Orion. I can see Ursa Major. I can see a few other bright stars and obviously the planets at night. But what I cannot see is the Milky Way, and this is the edge of our own Milky Way galaxy. You know, if you can imagine that we live in a galaxy that looks a bit like a dinner plate, and if we're sort of somewhere towards the center of that dinner plate, we're not exactly at the center. We're actually 26 1,000 light years away from the center. But if you can imagine looking out to the edges of that plate, that's what the Milky Way is. It's the thick clusters of stars and galaxies that are on the very edge of that galaxy. And to us, it looks like a band, you know, a ring that encircles the Earth, or certainly that's the way that it looked in the past. And there's no way that the ancients would have ignored this. And the sun crosses it two times of the year, as you mentioned, in the time of Sagittarius and Scorpius on one side of the sky, and then around 6 months later in the area of Taurus, Gemini, which brings in the constellations of Orion, but also the Pleiades star cluster. So they're they're on opposite sides of the sky. And what happened was that when the Milky Way synchronized at this time, when the sun crossed it, obviously, the the sunrises or sunsets of the solstices, that was the time that you could quite literally either walk or make some leap of faith onto the Milky Way that would then allow you passage along the Milky Way towards some central point. And that central point was almost always the same, and it was where the Milky Way actually splits into 2 separate streams. And that's in the vicinity of a constellation that we know today as the northern cross or Cygnus. Cygnus, the stars come together to form a celestial bird. It's a bird that's almost always associated with 2 things. The human soul, it's like the soul as it takes flight as a bird. In the Middle East, it was a vulture. In America, it was the eagle, the turkey vulture in Europe. And in Siberia, it was the swan or the goose. And in other parts of the world, exotic birds like the bird of paradise, for instance, in the Pacific. But they all represented the human soul. But the other aspect to do with Cygnus was that it was a bird of creation. It was seen that creation began in that area of the sky. Why? Well, the answer to that comes from the fact that the stars move against the background of the Earth itself over a cycle, which that book that you mentioned, Hamlet's Mill, makes blatantly clear was something that was important to the ancients, and the a lot of their lore and legends to do with the sky built around the movement of the stars, the starry background against the position of the sun. It's a cycle processional cycle, 26000 years it takes. And in the past, the pole star, which is today Polaris in the constellation of Ursa Minor, was in other constellations. It moves around in a circle. And around 17000 years ago, it precisely aligned not just with Cygnus, but also with the Milky Way by virtue of that because, obviously, Cygnus is on the Milky Way. So each night, as you'd have gone outside, you would have seen the Milky Way turning like some celestial propeller around the center point of the sky, and this must have been something that was incredible to behold. It doesn't happen today at all. You know? In other words, we can't get any idea of this. So that center point of that cosmic propeller, if you like, the turning point of the heavens was seen as the place of entry into the sky world. But you couldn't just go there, you had to do it via the Milky Way, and there were two places in the sky that you could do that. The area of Sagittarius and Scorpius and the area of Gemini and Taurus on the other side of the sky. These were the leap off points, and different cultures favored 1 or the other. What we have at Gobekli Tepe, for instance, is evidence that they favored the direction of Sagittarius and Scorpius. This is seen in pillar 43 at Gobekli Tepe. You've got this huge scorpion, and you've got this guy sitting on the back of a vulture being led into the sky world where there's another big vulture waiting for him. But Karahantepai, you can see this within alignments. I mean, almost immediately that I saw an aerial view of the excavations at Karahant back at the end of 2021. I noticed that one of the enclosures, the 3 interconnected enclosures that are all rock cut cut out of the actual bedrock actually aligns towards sunset at the time of the summer solstice. Now that's amazing in itself and possibly would have been arguably one of the oldest alignments towards the sun anywhere in the world. But if you remained in that position, looking in the same direction that the sun has just set, 2 hours later, when it gets dark, you would have beheld a wonderful sight. And that would have been the Milky Way rising vertically up in the sky with the 2 streams right in front of you, in the middle of which is what's known as the Cygnus or the dark rift. And the stars of Scorpius would have just set. Those of Sagittarius would have been right in view, and you would have been able to make that leap of faith to the Milky Way and climb up the Cygnus rift to the stars of Cygnus and enter into the sky world. So this is obviously planned. This is not something that's coincidence and forms part of what was quite clearly some kind of sky religion that these people adhere to as much as 10 to 12000 years ago. So this is something that we eventually will find all over the world with monuments that are built after this time, but you're dealing with a universal idea of entering the sky world that's in every continent, I would say. I mean, clearly, if you go south of the equator, things start changing because everybody's focusing on the southern stars and, obviously, the southern celestial pole. But in the northern hemisphere, this was the basic cosmological principle that all of these ancient cultures would have adhered to. Yeah. Wow. What a summary. It sounds way more powerful than putting the stars up on a digital screen in a planetarium like we do today and get impressed by that. But, man, yes, birds are big symbols as are snakes. And when you talk about the bean that it seems like they might have been in communication with at Karahantepe, you used the term snake genius several times and I love that term. And snakes are also, like, so core to symbolism and shamanic and religious traditions from the Garden of Eden and the Ayahuasca ritual to even things like the Kundalini experience. This is a major theme when we bring in esoteric energies, and you've talked about how Karahenthepe there's images in the book. The whole site, the shrine pillar or the pillar shrine is kind of looks like a snake head when you get that bird's eye view, and then there's a little chasm that looks like a snake body. It's pretty impressive, but there's also a giant stone human head in the pillar shrine. And I just wanted to quote the book here. You write, the giant stone head emerging from the west wall of Karahantepe's pillar shrine is, I suspect, a physical representation of the Milky Way Serpent's active spirit. If this is correct, then the stone head would presumably have been a focal point for anyone wishing to communicate with this perceived intelligence in the form of either a snake genius or of an anthropomorphic being with serpentine qualities. A direct historical comparison with what might have been happening at Karahentepi is, I believe, the oracular communications recorded as having taken place in pre classical and classical times at Delphi in Greece. Very interesting. Obviously, that's an example everyone knows, so there's a good analogy there that there is a strong history of having a ritual space where you commune with an intelligence that's nonhuman reliably, seemingly the same one over and over again. But talk to us about this. I mean, I just laid a lot out there. I summarized a huge chunk of the book, but this snake genius. Well, I suppose you have to look at Karahantapa and say what was going on here, BC, 11000 years ago. And the first clear indication is that there are snakes everywhere. There are carved snakes. There are incised snakes. There's carved rats going into the ground that are serpentine in nature. There is the huge stone head that you've talked about, which is like something out of Beetlejuice, basically, coming out of the wall of the pillar shrine. I mean, you know, like a a snake body with a human head, a giant human head, 3 times the size of a normal human head. And, yeah, you have to say to yourself, what are these people trying to do here? What are they trying to achieve? Well, if you look at the pillar shrine itself as you pointed out, it's actually the shape of the head of an actual snake. And the only way that you would have been able to get into that pillar shrine in the past, because we think it probably had a roof, is through this tiny little pothole right at the front of the mouth, if you like. So the shaman would have come from the big elliptical enclosure that you find there and literally crawled their way through this little hole going inside the pillar shrine. And there you have these 10 standing pillars that have been cut out of the bedrock itself, which is an incredible feat. I mean, to even attempt this, there is an 11th pillar as well that looks like a raised serpent that comes out of the ground that, you know, it looks like the full tongue of the actual snake itself. So you're inside the head of a snake now. You know, why would you do this? Why would you put yourself in the head of a snake? I mean, under any normal circumstances, this is madness and would only lead to bad things. But I think what they were trying to do is exactly this. They were trying to be eaten by this snake on a symbolic level or certainly on a shamanic or astral level. What I mean by this is that if you're being consumed by this snake and quite literally passing into its body, into its DNA, if you like, then that brings you at one with it. So what kind of snake genius are we talking about here? And by the way, the the term snake genius essentially means a spirit in the form of a snake. In other words, a snake that can quite literally talk to you, most obviously with a human head so that it can actually talk in in a sort of a human language. Because I'm sure in the past, people thought that snakes, you know, just hissed. So if they had a human head, then they could talk to us directly. But can we identify this state that they were interested in, this state genius? Well, I thought about this long enough, and I realized that it was connected with this area of the sky around the area of Sagittarius and Scorpius and Ophiuchus. And what was clear is that this area was steeped in Skylar to do with snakes. Ophiuchus, which is often known as the 13th sign of the zodiac, holds a snake known as Sapiens, and this is formed out of stars that run through this particular constellation, Scorpius itself. Although we know as a scorpion, generally, many ancient cultures saw it as a snake, including in Native America, for instance. I mean, the serpent mound in Adams County, Ohio. That's been identified as a form of Scorpio, for instance, because at the time of the summer solstice, when the head of that snake was aligned to the sun as it set, that same night, Scorpio would have been prominent in the sky directly south, and it's been proposed that the earth mound itself, this effigy mound, is a representation of Scorpius in its role as a snake. But in many other countries as well, this area of the sky is associated with the snake, you know, the Scorpius. I realized that, but then I realized something much more obvious, and that is that the Milky Way itself was seen as the snake. And once I started looking that up, cultures from India to Mesopotamia to North America to Mexico to South America, and in other parts of the world, even in Greece. The Milky Way was seen as a huge cosmic serpent. It was known as the world encircling snake or the world encircling. The ouroboros symbol. The ouroboros in Egyptian or Greco Egyptian tradition. And if you look into north mythology, it is what's known as the Midgard Serpent. And this fall part of this whole tradition to do with the 3 worlds, the upper world, the middle world, and the lower world. If you look online and put Yutrisil, you know, the world tree of Norse mythology, you'll see a really great image that comes up that shows the tree. It shows the middle earth. It shows the sky world in the upper branches of the tree. It shows the lower world going down into the roots. And surrounding it all, you have the Midgard Serpent, and you have an ocean beyond that. Now this is not the terrestrial ocean. This is what's known as the cosmic ocean. The cosmic ocean was thought to exist before the physical universe came into being. And in some strange way, this is a intuitive idea of what we would call the big bang, really. Because certain theories within that suggest that prior to the coming into being of our physical universe, there existed this state known as the bulk, which is 11 dimensional in nature. And that manifesting into this 11 dimensional realm was something that in string theory, they referred to as as a brane, you know, b r a n e. And that this inflates like a balloon or a bubble. And into this, our physical universe came into being, and it has its own laws of physics, which are 3 dimensions of space and one of time. But within it, somehow, compactified are all those higher dimensions as well. But the other universes can exist, and this is, in many ways, exactly what many ancient cosmologists talk about. That this cosmic ocean, which was known as the primordial chaos or the primordial void, existed prior to the coming into being of the physical universe. And it's often said that the being responsible for this took the form of a snake or serpent, which became a world encircling serpent. And if you look up the gnostic snake egg, you know, you'll see this beautiful image of an egg with a serpent called around it. That egg is our universe before that egg breaks open and forms the vault of heaven, but also the earth itself and also the lower world. Again, these are ideas which although you might say, well, you know, surely they're 1000 of years after the time of Karahantapai, and they are. Of course, they are. But they're universal, which means that you're looking at something that probably has an origin going back into the last ice site. So in other words, more than 12000 years old, and that would probably have been universal, not only across the Eurasian continent in the past, but also through into the Americas, which remember was linked with the Eurasian continent via the Beringia land bridge. And this was closed up only about 9 to 10000 BC. So there would have been a flow of peoples, you know, going probably from Europe all the way across into Russia, Siberia, obviously, across into Alaska, into the Americas. Yeah. This is obviously the standard model of the population of the Americas. But, of course, with this would have come all of these traditions that preexisted. Yeah. You can find so many links, for instance, between the shamanism of Siberia and Mongolia, for instance, and that of North America. I mean, they are almost exactly the same, and this is something that would have been shared at least 12000 years ago, maybe even as much as 40000 years ago. Man, it does go deep. And, you know, the occultists also have a very similar model for their cosmology with the dot and the circle that consciousness was at one point, and then it pushed itself out in a big bang kind of way, but it's just kinda more of an animist viewpoint of the same sort of model. This expanding from a single point came everything. And I wanted to jump over to the mystery of the alabaster bowl because to make the case that this kind of ritual activity and activity and ritual activity is happening at Karahantep'e is strengthened by just pointing out that it happened all over the place and in many different places. And you write here that there are very few artifacts directly related to the Ophite Gnostics, and we know very little about what these heretic Christians did in their mystical rites and shamanic rituals. But this bowl that is believed to be a relic of their mystery schools might tell us a little bit. It is a round bowl with 16 naked people sitting in a circle with their feet towards the center, and in the center, like a bull's eye, is a very strange winged serpent creature. I mean, we talked about birds. We talked about snakes. Sometimes those symbols are combined, and then we have the dragon lore all over the place. But, yes, a winged serpent creature that seems to be in a ball of light with rays coming out and touching each person's feet. If I was trying to illustrate a group communication ritual with a winged serpent being of light, I don't think I could do a better job than what is depicted on this bowl. Talk to us about this relic and what it means to you because it kinda suggests that there's this point where, you know, you're making a big site like Karatepe, people are gonna know about it. And it seems like maybe this kind of ritualization and communication was democratized or more widespread. And then, of course, authorities want to suppress such a thing, it seems, like, at some point, and then it goes into the mystery schools and it's more underground. And this relic seems to be kind of, evidence of this maybe turning point of, at least this next chapter where it is more a suppressed thing, but we have this one mysterious bowl from the gnostics. Yeah. I'm gonna have to go back to Karahan to explain why that this is so important. Because the question is, this Milky Way serpent, did it really exist? Was it an intelligence in its own right? Well, the area of its head corresponded with something that we know as galactic center or the galactic bulge. This is in the area of Scorpius and Sagittarius. And in the past, this would have looked like some kind of celestial light bulb in the sky. And because right through the center of it is the Cygnus rift or the dark rift, It looks like it's an open mouth creature, and very often this creature was associated with the head of a snake or serpent. I mean, it can be identified as other animals as well, but mostly it was as a snake. So the head of the Milky Way Serpent was the galactic bulge. This corresponds with galactic center. What we know about galactic center, the center of our own Milky Way galaxy, is that there is a huge supermassive black hole there known as Sagittarius a star in astronomical circles. And there have been proposals, most notably by the great free thinker of our times, Rupert Sheldrake, that this supermassive black hole could be an intelligent being in its own right, that it has its own consciousness. And this forms into the idea known as panpsychism, and that is the everything has consciousness. You know, every tree, every rock, every place in the landscape, every well, every hill, But as well as the sun, the moon, you know, stars, neutron stars, they've all got consciousness in some way, shape, or another. We just haven't recognized that until now. So it could well be that the center of our galaxy is a intelligence that is almost like a localized form of god, if you like. Okay? I mean, let's call it that. So bearing that in mind, is it possible that the people of Karahantapai were intuitively aware that their own particular higher intelligence was connected with the head of the Milky Way Serpent and, thus, the direction of galactic center? I think the answer is definitely yes. So coming forward in time, what happened to the knowledge of the people of Karahantabay? Well, it seems to have filtered down through certain huge ritual centers in the area of Karahant and Gobekli. One of those is the ancient city of Haran, and this is in the center of this huge plain. And this was the clearing house through until probably the middle ages of incredible knowledge and wisdom that would eventually come to find its way into everything from Hermetica to gnosticism and various mystery schools, including the tarot, interestingly enough. And the knowledge there, I think, goes all the way back to Karahantapai. I mean, to start off with Haran, the oldest occupational mound on the site, goes back to about 8,000 BC. So we know that it was occupied right at the tail end of the occupation of Karahantepay and Gobekli Tepe, which was around that day, around 8,000 BC. And it's my belief that people were carrying forward ideas at Haran and also at the nearby city of Ulfa, which is modern day Schallerfa, which we'll come on to separately. These are known as the cities of the Chaldeans. The Chaldeans were the ancient astronomers, the ancient astrologers, the ancient soothsayers, and wisdom bringers of this region, and they created Gnosticism. Gnosticism focused around the idea that there was a localized form of god that took the shape of a snake, a serpent, which they called the good serpent. But this was only acting on behalf of an invisible god that was beyond it, that was seen almost like a sort of invisible sun that sort of radiated out its beams of influence, but that it was beyond our comprehension, and we needed an interface to connect with god. Now the gnostics, the just simply means serpent. These serpent worshipers believed that the snake was literally the son of God, the role that Jesus would eventually take within, obviously, the more orthodox conventional forms of Christianity. And that that snake could give them knowledge of this supernal son. You know, in other words, of God himself, and this was known as the nowas or the gnosis, the knowledge of God himself. In other words, what was really, really going on out there, and that this is what I think the people of Karahantapai were trying to achieve themself. But not just knowledge and wisdom, which I think that they achieved through shamanic experiences that would have involved almost certainly the use of hallucinogenic drugs, the use of constant repetitive sound, probably sensory deprivation, possibly even the use of ritual poles. We think that some of these enclosures at Karahantapai almost certainly had water in them. And the, you know, the shamans or the initiates would have to go into this water possibly for days on end to quite literally get out of their heads and experience this communication with this higher intelligence in the form of a snake. But these ideas are filtered down into the gnostic beliefs, and the alabaster bowl that we're talking about surfaced in the mid 19th century and was, you know, commented by various scholars at the time, and this continued through into the 20th century. It's originally found in the 19th century and then obviously was written about in detail in 20th. You described it. You know, it's got these 16 figures, male and female, naked with their feet touching this you know, I mean, it looks like a flower, but it's probably the sun itself. It has 32 rays coming out of it. So one each for all of the feet of the individuals, and sitting right on that is the cosmic serpent itself. You know, these people are clearly bathing themselves in this energy that's coming from the supernal sun. And let's say these are not my mad ideas. The gnostic scholars that have looked at this in great detail have concluded exactly that. And I think that what you are looking at here is a stylized representation of exactly what was going on at Karah and Tepai as much as 11 to 12000 years ago. And I think that's quite extraordinary. And I think that it's all come through. Places like Haran and Ufa, which in the bible was known as the city of Edessa, by the way. And, yeah, these places are incredibly important for having kept alive all of this ancient wisdom and then passing it on to new generations through new cults, new religions, new ideas, which meant that it was available through right the way until late antiquity. In other words, the time of the first Christians, the first gnostics, which meant that these gnostics were connecting with an ancient source and intelligence that was real and was out there somewhere in the center of our own galaxy. Again, they may not have known this, and indeed, the gnostics started to see this good serpent more associated with the northern part of the sky than they did the area of galactic center, where they saw another serpent, which they called the bad serpent. There was the good serpent and the bad serpent. So it's clear that these were old ideas that they wanted to get away from and wanted to reinvent the cosmic snake as as to do with the pole star and the stars of Draco, which were itself a serpent. But if you look deeply into those gnostic beliefs, they too had this idea of this serpent, this snake influence connected with the aeroblastic center. I love it. You definitely know how to talk about this stuff. And I wanna ask you a little more about plasmas themselves because this is just so key because we spend a lot of time talking about paranormal activity and aliens and all sorts of stuff. And plasma might be the central thing, the composition of what these things are made up of. You could look at occult literature and grimoires and people drawing pentagrams on the ground and summoning something, and it's a beam of light, and it's repeatable, and it's probably some form of plasma. And then, you know, even the abduction phenomenon, UFOs, like, it might be everything. It might even be the source of our thoughts about God, which this kind of relates here. So I did read the books you wrote with Greg Little, and in Origins of the Gods, you do write about the Ark of the Covenant and the idea that this whole God thing they called Yahweh might have just been one of these plasmas they had sustained contact with, probably, you know, with the arc's help making it more repeatable. And you use the term end state beings, and there's a lot of science behind what these things could be and their qualities. It's a super provocative set of ideas, but help people understand this a little bit better. I mean, what to say plasmas doesn't really tell us a whole lot. Where do these plasmas come from? How do they emerge? What are their qualities and compositions as far as you're concerned? Plasma is something that probably fills 90% of the whole universe. It's not atomic matter. So it's obviously very, very important, but we have to go back to the big bang again. We mentioned it earlier because when our universe came into existence, it created not atomic matter to start with, but for the first 380000 years, it created what's known as gluon plasma, and this filled the universe itself. There was nothing else, just plasma. But then very gradually, this plasma started slowing down and transforming into what we know as atomic matter. And that atomic matter is what we call atoms. Everything that we have around us and within us is made of atoms, and this creates physical matter. A physical matter is one of the 3 states of matter that we know and love. The other 2, obviously, being liquids, which is more fluent version of matter. And beyond that, of course, is gas, which is, you know, the air around us or any gas that comes out of our gas cookers or whatever. Those are the 3 states of matter, but what's known as the full state of matter is plasma. And plasma, if you wanna put it in simple terms, it's splitting atoms up into 2 parts, into what's known as, positive and negative ions. The positive ions are the nucleus of the atom with some of the electrons still flying around it, and the negative ions are the electrons that have become free and are now flying around in an excited state. And as they do this, they create their own magnetic fields around themselves. And because they are doing it in bulk together, this will create almost like a ball of light, if you like. And the reason why the light is there, by the way, is because this excitation causes the electrons to release tiny photons of light. So that's why you see this. So plasmas can take the form of balls, but most people, when they think of plasma balls, they think of, let's say, you know, thunderstorms, ball lightning. Balls that just come in appearance, shoot about, cause some damage, and disappear. But plasmas or plasmoids, which is the correct term for the ball like versions of it, can linger much longer, not only in the laboratory when they are created, but also outside in the landscape because the landscape creates its own plasmoids, its own plasma constructs, and this it does through geology. Most particular, the presence of certain types of minerals, such as quartz and tourmaline that can be pressurized into releasing their electrons, which are used to create what's known as ionospheric environments. And these are like tinderboxes for the creation of plasma. And the other big factor is fault lines. The stresses and strains that have fractured the earth either because of the movement of tectonic plates or the movement of different rock strata, yeah, often due to things like ice ages and stuff like this. This will fracture the underlying bedrock. And once again, this puts huge strains on the earth, and this creates these ionospheric environments, and they create plasma objects. In other words, you will see them more likely where there is very specific types of geology. Certain minerals, metals, for instance, that can convey those electrons more easily through the ground, and they break the surface, and suddenly they will appear in the air. And there's no question that many UFO or UAP sightings can be explained as plasmas or plasmoids, or plasma orbs is one of the terms that's used today. But they're not just floating balls of light. They can show intelligence. They unquestionably seem to be intelligent in nature. There are a number of papers just come out in the last year that tell us that plasma can be intelligent. And what this means is that the plasma itself isn't intelligent. I mean, plasma is just plasma, but what can happen is that intelligences existing on a deeper level of existence outside of normal space time can occupy the space that's created by plasma. I mean, the way I always describe it is a glove. You know, one of my fingerless gloves here. I mean, this glove is nothing. Is it? It's a piece of cloth. It's dead. It's not alive. Right? But if I put my hand inside it like this, it animates it. The glove's not alive, but my hand is animating it so that the plasma becomes animated. And that you have intelligences occupying these objects. And these objects can become quite solid and even form into structured craft. How can they do that? Because the plasma acts as portals into higher dimensional environments, and they can become wormholes. In other words, 2 mouths in different positions that are entangled together on a quantum level that can allow matter to enter 1 and exit in the other. In other words, quite possibly, extraterrestrial objects could use plasma to manifest into our physical reality. It's possible that we are talking about objects and intelligences that exist on a higher dimensional frequency usually that are able to use plasma to enter our world and become what we call plasma beings or light beings. But, also, there's a chance that at least some of these objects and the entities that come from them are coming in from parallel worlds. Parallel worlds that coexist with us. How do they coexist with us? Because of the brains that I told you about before, the b r a n e s, that are created within the 11 dimensional bulk. Because according to the main theory of the bulk and the creation of the physical universe, other universes can be created at the same time, and they may not have the same laws of physics as our own. And that these different universes can exist independently, but they can interact and overlay each other. And when this happens, there can be bleed throughs from one to the other. So if you're interacting with a brain or a universe that's not quite the same as us or has different laws of physics, it has different animals, different creatures, different intelligences, different environments, then they can start bleeding through into our own. Probably only on a temporary basis because the chances are that these other universes come apart from our own eventually, maybe after a few minutes, a few hours, a few days, a few weeks, so that whatever has manifested into our world suddenly vanishes as if it was never there in the first place. But, you know, this is what we call bubble universes. These bubble universes, these other universes can come into existence even overlaying our own, and they don't have to be the same size as our own universe. They can be that big. You know, they can exist for 3 seconds or whatever. You know? In other words, they can open and close at will, sometimes overlaying with our own, sometime existing separately to our own, but occasionally interacting with our own. And this is the physics that we're dealing with now. And, again, this is not some new age concept that I'm creating in my head. This is what cutting edge science tells us is now possible through our knowledge of mathematics, of geometry, of astronomy, astrophysics, and physics as a whole. That's a great breakdown, and the glove analogy is a good one because when the hand is in the glove, you can then manipulate the shape of it, you know, pretty effortlessly. And so they are manipulating the shape of the plasma to sometimes appear as other things. But the description of how the plasmas come to be sounds very random. It's like lighting. It's like a flash in the pan almost is what it kinda sounds like. So it's from the perspective of the being that's inhabiting the plasma, how does it know this is going to occur? How does it get into the plasma? What are these intelligences doing when there's not a plasma present? Because in some instances, these are repeated communications with the same entity. So what is it about reading a grimoire and drawing a pentagram and facing a different direction? Because directionality is very key in a lot of those magical rituals and the timing, the astrological celestial timing is important, that it gets the same plasma to show up or at least one that can pretend to be the same and respond to the same name. Because people have ongoing communications, even aliens. People have ongoing visitations, and the ones that come seem to be aware of the previous interactions as well. So that's kinda where it's weird to me because the description, the scientific description makes sense, but it also seems so random and so chaotic and so quick, like a flash in the pan, as opposed to some of these other stories I hear of sustained communication over long periods of time. Yeah. Well, I mean, the idea that plasma can be occupied by intelligences existing quite literally outside of normal space time was really first proposed in the 19 sixties by a plasma physicist by the name of David Bohm. He wrote extensively on this subject, and many of my ideas unquestionably began with his. And he talked in terms of what he referred to as proto intelligences. Now that doesn't mean that they are substandard or anything like that, but they are intelligences that are not of a material nature that coexist with us in what we would perceive as an invisible state, probably involving a higher dimensional quality about them that we just cannot connect with properly. I mean and I think that Carl Sagan adequately described this back in the sixties and early seventies when he talked about us being three-dimensional beings. But if you can imagine two dimensional beings, flat beings that can only go forwards or sideways on a flat plan world, basically, that almost looks like a piece of paper. If those entities are there and then suddenly, a three-dimensional object, let's say, like a ball, passes through their 2 dimensional existence, what are they gonna see? All they're gonna see is suddenly a hole or opening up, and this black flap thing gradually getting bigger and bigger until it reaches its maximum width. And then suddenly, it getting smaller and smaller again as it passes through their 2 dimensional flat plan world. So how are they gonna interpret it? In other words, they're not gonna see it as a ball. They are never ever gonna see it as a ball because they are 2 dimensional in nature, and it's the same with us. If we are dealing with beings' intelligences that normally occupy, let's say, 4, maybe 5 dimensions, perhaps even 11 dimensions, how are we going to perceive them? We're not. We might see flashes of light. We might see plasmas, but we won't fully understand what's right in front of our own eyes because we are three-dimensional creatures. The only way that we could possibly start understanding them is up here in our brain and within our consciousness and within dreams and within visions. Man. Wow. Well, sometimes even 2 hours isn't enough time. I always am thinking this. I had to discard quite a few things. I mean, just amazing material. We didn't even talk about Collins Cave. I know that in the past, you have done some kind of experiments with Oregon or been involved in a group for Oregon, and, that itself is fascinating. But, hey, you got more books coming out. Maybe we can do this again sometime. But I thank Hugh Newman for vouching for me and getting a full 2 hour show on the books. I know it's a big ask. I also know you have a lot of events coming on this year. I think a Turkey trip in May and then again in September, esoteric England in August, Peru in November. Before I really let you go, the reason we do the dance, let people know not only where they can get the book, I mean, where can't they get a book, but, you know, just the things you're working on, the things you have available, your website is your first and last name .com, but these trips are also a big thing you're doing. Yeah. I mean, this is something that I do, as you mentioned, with my good friend and colleague, Hugh Newman, and obviously his partner, JJ Ainsworth. You know, we are the top of our game relating to these Taj Teppala sites at the moment, you know, Karah and Tepai and Gobekli Teppai. And if you want to go out to these sites, you have no better company than us. I promise you. Because, you know, we've been on top of this for years. I mean, I've been on top of it for the last 2 decades, basically. Obviously, I've done various books on the subject. Gobekli Tepe, Genesis of the Gods, came out in 2014. Karahentepi, Civilization of the Anunnaki and the Cosmic Origins of the Serpent of Eden. Yeah. That's the one, which is the latest book, which obviously fully updates everything and covers this site of Karahantepe and everything we've been talking about today. But, you know, you've got other books as well. You got from the ashes of angels, which came out in 1996 that really set the pace for it all, and it was actually being written at the same time that the first spades were going into the ground at Quebec, Tepe. I didn't have no knowledge of it, and, yeah, I pinpointed that area as the cradle of civilization and said, this is where you will find evidence of a shamanic elite that kick started civilization. And that's exactly where they found Quebec, Tepay. Plus you got my books on the UFOs, UAP, plasma intelligences, light quest, origins of the gods, and we haven't even talked about the Denisovans. If you wanna go all the way back to the origins of where all of this megalithic science comes from, they're the people, the Denisovans out of Siberia and China and Tibetan plateau and all the rest of it. That's where you're gonna find them. Andrewcollins.com is my website. You can obviously get these books from all good online stores. We're always told to plug Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Got Barnes and Noble get upset if you only ever mentioned Amazon, apparently. So I have to say that. And, yeah, we do these tours. We're going to Turkey in May and again in September. We're going to Peru, Bolivia, and Easter Island in November. That's gonna be an epic journey, which I'm probably gonna be away from my home probably about a month. That's me personally. Other people don't have to spend all that time there, but, you know, you can join any part of it. Yeah. All the details are there. And if you like what you heard, you can communicate with me either through the email address on the website or find me on social media. I mean, all the links to my social media and YouTube are on the opening page of the website. So hope to see you out and about, either at the tours or one of these conferences, I do as well. Amazing. Well, I really love talking to you. We covered a lot of ground. I've loved several of your books, and it seems like the ones I like most, I haven't even got to yet. But I really like that these tours are going on. I have heard you also talk about the fact that the World Economic Forum is doing some things that Gobekli Tepe trying to pour concrete there and plant trees and trying to keep things suppressed, and that's a whole another ball of wax. But, you know, go while you can, people. You know, take a trip while you can. Geopolitical tensions are high, trips might be hard to take in a couple of years, go now. I mean, I'm tempted to find a babysitter for the kids and get on one of these. If you ever do one to Guarana and the French Pyrenees and the Grail sites, I'll definitely have to loop in some babysitter for the kids and get out on one of those. But I can't imagine better guides than you and Hugh, so I hope some people take you up on that. But thanks for taking the time to talk to me today, and take care. My pleasure, Greg. Thank you. Oh, sweet baby Jesus. That is what I'm talking about. One of the best in the game, a name that was definitely on my dream guest list, crossed off. It was definitely good for me, and it's all thanks to Hugh who told Andrew that in the vast sea of podcasts trying to get an interview, THC is one that is worth taking the time to do. Sometimes, a personal recommendation is the difference. Hint hint, audience. Let's flex that muscle a bit more. But right up my alley. Exactly the kinds of topics I've been interested in recently. A surprise to no one listening, I'm sure. And another reason why 2 hours is so clutch. His latest book is about Karahan Tepe. And, of course, we're gonna talk about it and his latest discoveries and conclusions. But with such a huge back catalog of work that resonates with us right now, a second hour is when we can really get further into that. Examples being UFO cases and just the decades of contact with plasma beans and Skinwalker Ranch and Guirana and the Grail Quest and the French Pyrenees. We got into binding plasma beans for power if that is something that happens, and Stonehenge, and dodecahedrons, and dream space, and a lot of fun stuff. He's a very versatile guy, but yet so many roads do lead to the same places because I do think it's all connected. Anyway, get plus for $8 a month, 5 shows a month, 750 plus shows in the archive, all ad free and well edited and available to you, as you know. But the stars really align here in several ways. And, you know, every time I have an interview that covers this sort of material, I mention that 2 week trip in Armenia I took on the Graham Hancock tour. Also, remember that 3 part video is available on YouTube for free on my channel. I chaptered it out by site. I think there's, like, 5 sites in each one. But it is a great breakdown of the interesting things that I saw on that trip that never really get talked about, including a buried step pyramid, etcetera, etcetera. But I only bring that up to say I have been on one of these kinds of research trips. It was one of the first things I did with my newfound freedom from the day job. But if I could do it again, Andrew Collins and Hugh Newman would be my picks as the tour guides I would want. You can actually notice in the Armenia videos that our actual Armenian guides were way more out there and willing to talk about strange things, like where giant bones were buried and legends and a lot of great stuff that Graham sort of brushed off. Wasn't interested in that. So I just think Andrew and Hugh are way more my speed. But I am reminded that we went to this one monastery out on a cliffside. We had to take an air tram kind of thing. I think they said one of the longest of its kind on Earth. And we got up to this Tadev Monastery. And these are some hardcore, almost esoteric, isolated, black robed Christians. But they have this stone monument, a huge pillar. I believe it was, like, 15 feet high, I would guess. And the pillar was said to move. And our tour guide tried to get us a demonstration, and they shot that down. But I was reminded of that because there is apparently this moving pillar in the Carahindepe complex. I don't know if we even talked about that, but it's in the book a good amount, and it gets mentioned in Karahhentepay conversation. So maybe a lot of you are familiar. But this TATEV Monastery had something like that, and it's said to detect earthquakes and be able to be swayed just with consciousness alone. You know how it goes. Rumors and speculation. But this is a little bit from the Wikipedia page. The pendulous column or swinging column is a monument dedicated to the holy trinity. It's located in the south of the cathedral. It compromises a column about 8 meters tall, crowned with a cracklar type cross. The column has been dated to the 10th century. The cross is no earlier than the 18th century, but its form may be based on an earlier example built in the year 906. This unique structure stands at a total height of 9 meters. Doing the conversion 9 meters is, like, 30 feet, and they call it Gavazan. And they say what sets Gavazan apart is its remarkable ability to sway or swing without collapsing, making it the only structure in the complex to have survived the test of time, remaining intact despite centuries of existence. So if they're saying it's the only structure in the complex to have survived the test of time, I wonder if the pillar was here a lot longer and the monastery was just built around it. But check that out. It's a fun rabbit hole to get into what that pillar is about. Or you can just watch my part of that video, Tatev Monastery. I don't know. Just maybe another example of an ancient stone pillar with kind of weird qualities that I actually saw. Anyway, I do think we covered a ton of ground, and it was just great to get his thoughts on a number of subjects. Hopefully, the response is strong, so he won't be able to pass up a chance to return. That's the way it goes. Help me help you. Because I think there's a lot more material there I'd love to get into. But in higher side news, really just stay in the course. As I've been saying, I've added the new closing songs to the individual show pages. You don't have to be a plus member. Just download the MP 3 from the episode show notes if you want. Today's is pretty fun. And as we do, we take a look at the last episode rating. This episode, in particular, was largely Reddit focused with Magnaura 7. I had no idea where we would be. Was not sure how much overlap there was between THC and Reddit users, but it hit a bit better than I thought. 4.7. Clearly, a great majority of plus people found it interesting. So glad that's the case because it was a bit of an unknown. Glad we all had a good time. And as for the meetup calendar, we got February 1st, coming in hot, Conway Pub in Conway, Washington. February 3rd, Galbraith's Ale House in Auckland, New Zealand. February 7th, Bunk Bar in Portland, Oregon. I think that's a new one. February 8th, McCall Collective Tap House in Brarensville, Pennsylvania. And also February 8th, Carrollton, Texas, 3 Nations Brewery. Pretty sure that's new. February 10th, Santa Fe, New Mexico, Roots and Leaves, and February 15th, h two Booster in Vlissingen, Netherlands. Very awesome to see a pretty full calendar of events all over the place, just THC listeners getting together. If you can form a network or any kind of friendships or bonds based on that common ground, That's pretty impressive, and I love that people are out there trying. Go over to higher side meetups.com to get more details on any event, RSVP, or make your own. But that's the show. Really fun and out there stuff we got into today. Not a lot of people I could have that conversation with. When people ask me about my religious views, I'll just share this episode with them because close enough. Right? With that said, do take care. Thanks again to Andrew for his time and to you for listening. I'll see you on the next one. I've done my part. Your move, religion starting spirits, ritually revealed plasma beans, and the great snake genius in the sky. You're And it's happened to the stars align. You'll try to call. Up the stones and just following the plan. According to a ritual we could barely understand, we were so curious we just couldn't put it down. When the steps were all complete, we gathered around and it said, the stars align, we'll try to call. College if you can receive it. Bang the drum and take the brew just like we've instructed you, and this strange conscious connection will ensue. When the stars align, we'll try to call. Come to the shrine, open the portal. We'll give you knowledge, take it or leave it. From the cosmic college, if you can receive it.