Andrew Gough | The Hidden Hive, Pentagrams In The Landscape, & Lost Treasure Mysteries

Well, hello party people. Just a quick announcement about the higher side chats, rune soup mashup meetup coming up on Saturday, March 8th. The crazy wizard did it and Gordon is coming to the swamplands of Florida and we're doing a talk slash live podcast slash meetup event for free. I can't remember the last time I went to any free event, but the guys at High Springs Brewing have made it easy on us and we want to bring them some business and get together with as many people as we can while we can. So it's not just limited to plus and premium members this time like past events were. And if you don't know High Springs, it's a little north of Gainesville, but if you're in the Tampa area and don't want to drive yourself, Gordon and I are getting the party started early and taking a bus up there. It will be picking up in front of the Tampa theater at 10 a.m. It should arrive at the brewery sometime around 12 or 1230 and the event will go till about five and then the bus will bring us all back and we'll land in Tampa again around seven or so. I picked the Tampa theater for the pickup location because most people know where it is. There's a nice park across the street to smoke a little smoke and there's a great breakfast sandwich shop right on the corner called Supernatural, which Alton Brown called the best breakfast sandwich in America and I'll take it. So a perfect storm of great day starting goodness. So again, the event itself is free, no ticket needed, but the bus is not. A bus ticket is 75 bucks and I think it's about a third sold out already. So hop on that if you're interested. The bus is drink friendly and as a bathroom on board, so it's about as convenient as can be and Gordon will be coming hot off the heels of another ayahuasca journeying ceremony weekend. So we'll probably get some insights from him on that if the bus does have any kind of onboard PA system. Sounds like a fun way to pass the time to me. We do ask that you RSVP for the event so we can set up accordingly and you can do that on the meetup page right at the top of the show notes for this episode or at higher side meetups.com and the link for the bus tickets is there too. All right. I hope I'm lucky enough to see you there on with the show. I know the silo is a lie. So send me out to clean higher side chatters from the sunshine state. I'm Greg Carlwood. And when it comes to the ancient pre-industrial world, we've seen endless artifacts, megalithic structures and ornate architecture and artworks that really makes one wonder how the very things we see with our own eyes could be compatible with the stories we're told about our past in the big linear progress lie. Even more curious are the many examples of the same symbol sets being used in structures and statues that couldn't be further apart. And many of these symbols from the squatter man and sacred geometry to the flower of life and cymatic patterns relate to the so-called secret sciences and the esoteric substructures of reality itself. Pair this with the old world spiritual notions of direct contact and a picture starts to form as to just how such knowledge could be gained and why it would be so highly incorporated into their lives. And maybe this is the big secret, a monopoly on multidimensional intelligence for the parasitic elite class and a fabricated paradigm of control for the rest of us. Well, if you ask today's guest, Andrew golf, he might agree because he's been researching ancient mysteries and these very things for most of his life. He's published and written for all sorts of publications and has been interviewed for all the big TV shows like ancient aliens inside secret societies, forbidden history in search of world war, weird, NASA's unexplained files, what on earth and many more. But that's not all folks. He was also the chairman of the Ren group for many years. Europe's longest running research society dedicated to the mystery of Ren le Chateau. And he's currently hosting conspiracy hour for unified dot TV. You can find the rest of his work at andrewgolf.com. I know I'm ready. The ancient mystery revealer, inner earth enthusiast and hidden hive of history guy. Andrew, welcome to the higher side. Thanks, Greg. It's great to be here. Thanks for having me. Yeah, man. I'm really jazzed up for this one. It was one of our listeners who put me onto your work and I'm glad he did. I've gotten very interested in Ren le Chateau and Mount Seguir and the grail mystery and the idea that secret esoteric groups built these pentagrams in the landscape, as I've heard you say, by linking sacred sites and structures. I definitely want to get into that. But to kick this off, the work that you have done that is most unique to you seems to be this research on the hidden hive of history. I've seen the presentation and you make a lot of really interesting points. To read from the description, just to give people some context, it says, Andrew's discoveries reveal a sacred tradition that has existed for over a hundred million years in which reveals new insights into Atlantis, the labyrinth of Gnosis, the Sphinx, and much more. It explores the foundation of religion, politics, the Illuminati, and the mysterious seafarers who became the drug lords of the ancient world and rulers of souls in the afterlife. It is about the honeybee, which Andrew argues is the real lost tradition and the forgotten god of the ancients. I love it. That's quite a setup. Talk to us a little bit about this work. Yeah, no pressure there. I'm a big enthusiast about the tradition of the veneration of the honeybee. I think like so many research quests, sometimes you don't set out to research what you think you're going to research. In the case of the honeybee, I was deep into the Renly Chateau mystery. I was in Spain a lot, in Girona a lot with Patrice Chaplin, and we could talk about that. But I was studying with a Kabbalist that she features in her book, City of Secrets. This is a Kabbalist who taught Salvador Dali and John Cocteau, one of the alleged grandmasters of Priory of Zion. I wanted to study the Renly Chateau parchments back when I thought they were real. And I went to her place on the Riviera in Spain, and we went to study the parchments. We were having breakfast on our patio on a balcony, and the world's biggest bee came and landed in the middle of our breakfast and stayed there. And we got to talking about bees for days on end. And I studied bees with her for several years without even looking at the internet and just kind of studying original text material. And what I found, you know, just amazed me about how long the veneration of the honeybee goes back. I could see that, you know, when you're talking about the ancient world, there's not a ton of creatures. If you're not hunting them for meat, that would be as impactful. I've heard you talk about hallucinogenic honey. We know they loved blasting off in the ancient world. And also the whole idea of fumigating them, smoking out the bees to access the honey. Like, this is one of the things you've said is probably the earliest tradition of the gathering part of hunting and gathering. And so, yeah, I could see why the bee was looked at through a special lens from ancient people. But where do you see it in a lot of the motifs of the ancient world? I mean, it's not necessarily the most obvious thing or everybody be talking about it. That's what's so interesting. I mean, take ancient Egypt, for instance. You have the pharaoh, the king of Egypt. What was his title? Beekeeper. What do you have in his signature? A picture of a bee in the royal cartouche. The tagline of their term in office is the sedge and the bee. You have the goddess Neith who lived in the house of the bee. Osiris is buried in the mansion of the bee. Tabiti is the name of the land around Cairo, and that's the land of the bee. The original king of Egypt, Min, was the master of the wild bees. And it goes on and on and on. And you have pictures in the tomb of Palbasa and other ancient Egyptians showing that the honeymaking was fully formed two, three thousand years before anyone thought it was. Just look at Tutankhamun. Look at his burial mass. Yellow and black horizontal stripes. What's his title? Bee king. But nobody, including the Egyptologists, until very recently, one of them explored what is this connection with bees. You know, it's not just Egypt. It goes back to Sumerian. It goes back a really long ways. I mean, there's bees that have been found frozen in time, immortalized in amber as though they've been frozen in their own honey. And ancients would have recognized that as special 100 million years ago. And, you know, it hasn't changed up to this day. I like it. And the subtitle of the presentation is The Forgotten God of the Ancients. And we know in an animist cosmology, it's kind of like all aspects of nature are the reflections or signatures or contributions of some spiritual being. Talk to us about the God aspect there. It's interesting because the honeybee is a creature who can reproduce without a male helper. It's called parthenogenesis or a virgin birth. And it's something that all goddesses were able to do in ancient times. People like Marguerite Rigoluso has brought this attention in recent times. So Mother Mary, Athena, Artemis, they were all able to produce a child without having sex with a man. And it's a very, very sacred kind of principle. And the queen bee was and is really capable of doing that. And the ancients knew that. And they worshipped it. I mean, even in the United States, modern times, what's the most iconic monument in all the United States? Washington's monument. What does it say? To our Lord, the honeybee. And of course, it's referring to desert, which was the name of the sort of forest state region in the West founded by the Mormons or colonized by the Mormons who called it the honeybee. And just go to Utah to see Salt Lake City, all the bee symbolism. It's everywhere. Well, I like that you also point out that a lot of the underground complexes that we've found have a hive-like structure to them too. On top of some of the things you've shown, ancient cave drawings that have the honeycomb kind of feature there. But it seems to be somewhat a model for some of the underground structures that we still don't know why they are even there. Yeah. I mean, bees and caves, there's some synergy there. And, you know, with the hive in particular, the sort of notion of orderly regular behavior in the hive was one that, for instance, Freemasonry was quick to adopt. Although they thought that the queen was a king and they referred to it as the king bee. They sort of had the sex wrong. But many, many different secret societies adopted the bee as their emblem. The chap who created the Illuminati back in 1776, he didn't choose Illuminati as the name for that secret society as his first choice. He wanted, as the legend goes, the name bees. But it was already taken. So he called it Illuminati. And imagine if the Illuminati wasn't called the Illuminati, it was called bees. It would tint the world in a whole different way. Yeah. It really doesn't have the same ring to it. From a branding perspective, Illuminati is pretty hard to beat. I don't know. Imagine if it was bees. And going back to Egypt, you know, one third of Egypt is uncovered by sand. One third. So two thirds are still buried in the ground. And there's statues of bees everywhere, right? Because bees are the main symbol in ancient Egypt. And people think, oh, it's, you know, the horse bird. It's this. It's the bee. And why isn't it more explicitly referenced in temples like Edfu and Dendera? And I hurled out hope that somewhere under the two thirds of Egypt that's covered in sand, there's going to be more proof that this was one of the most venerated creatures that ever existed. Amen. You're the true keeper of the bee tradition. And it's interesting because I recently got into Victor Rabenikoff, who was one of these kind of inventors in the old days who observed nature, kind of like a Victor Schauberger type or a Wilhelm Reich who observed nature and then tried to develop technologies based on what he observed. But there was this day where he observed some bees that were a species that actually lived in the ground. They made their hive kind of underground. And he felt a weird sensation, a weird energetic effect. And he leaned into that and started studying it and looked at the patterns of their wings and this and that. He ended up developing an anti-gravity platform based on the structure of the bees' wings and the way it moves. And he basically concluded that bees and some kinds of beetles, they're not really flying. They're using sacred geometry and electro-gravitic forces somehow to levitate more so. And then you get this beetle veneration in ancient Egypt. And it's an interesting rabbit hole, but it seems like there's a lot of technologies that are quarantined. We're not supposed to go there. And he's one of those guys that seemed to stumble on this stuff. And he did it from observing the bee. There's all kinds of videos in his lab of little pieces of wood floating and this sort of stuff. And then he eventually developed it enough by stacking these patterns on top of each other that it could actually hold his weight. Very weird. But the bee, it's involved. Yeah. I mean, there are scientists just dedicated to studying it. As you say, the movement of the bee, it defies all sort of gravity, what it could do given its size. And the waggle dance is a fantastic sort of ability to go out and via dance, let the other bees know where the food is so they can go there just like it's sat-nav. And there's so much mythology about the bees. When you're a beekeeper and when you die as a beekeeper, you have to tell the bees. When you get married, you have to tell the bees. And it sounds ridiculous, but there's a classic story not far from where I live here in England of a beekeeper who used to sing to his bees all the time. And he died. And his wife went and told the bees, you know, he had died. So he was buried in a funeral, buried in the ground several miles away. And as they were lowering the casket into the ground, this made the newspapers, by the way, they saw all his bees single file going across the farmer's field to the cemetery. And they all hovered around his grave and landed on his casket. And, you know, they called the newspapers because they were so, you know, blown away by that. But there's this whole, you know, special quality about bees. And pick a period in history. All the French Mero-Viginian kings, the long-haired kings of France, they were buried with gold bees in their coffins. What was Napoleon's nickname? The bee. I mean, it goes on. And on and on and on. In masonry, you have the Masonic aprons and the symbolism of the bee everywhere. It's one of those things that you take for granted and you're not really conscious that you see it. I call it the red mini syndrome. When you see a red mini, Cooper, once you see one, you see a dozen of them. And that's kind of how recognizing how bees have been encoded with incredible symbolism in every Europe. Once you start to observe it a little bit, it becomes very apparent everywhere. Right. And as you've noted, when people have a UFO experience, they often mention the buzzing, some kind of buzzing effect. So it's like of all the animals in the animal kingdom that make a similar type of sound, you know, it's basically vibration. You know, when people even do psychedelics, they feel this vibratory buzzing before they blast off, just maybe another one of those observations in nature, the bee might be pretty esoteric. And I was also listening to some stuff that was totally in the health food realm. And they were saying, we don't really respect the medicinal power of honey because so much of our honey is pasteurized, which is just kind of destroys the integrity of the stuff inside of it. It's not local. It's not raw. And it's just kind of industrial factory sludge that they call honey and stuff in a bear shaped bottle, plastic bottle, of course. And so we tend to not have the same veneration of honey as you would in the ancient world when you get the really good, raw, natural stuff. And I think there's truth to that. This guy was also saying that I haven't vetted this. I don't know how true it is, but apparently beekeepers live 10 years longer on average than the rest of us. And I don't know if that's because of the Zen quality of the action or getting sunlight being outside. Of course, you're in that suit, but maybe it's the honey they're eating, just the connection to nature in general. But I thought that was an interesting statistic that of all the occupations, apparently beekeepers a full decade more than the rest of us. I love it. I mean, who am I to argue with that? I can certainly believe it. But your point about the sound of the bees buzzing is really interesting because alien abductees report the sound of bees buzzing at Fatima, the children who experienced that paranormal observation of these divine visitations. You know, they heard the sound of bees buzzing and people said, oh, you mean you heard sort of a reverberation sound of buzzing? No, it was bees. It was definitely bees. And people who do yoga and meditation, they all sort of report the definite sound of bees buzzing. It has that mystical quality to it, which is, I think, fascinating. I like it. And I urge people to check out that presentation of yours. It's pretty unique and very good. And the visuals are helpful as well. But we got to get on this Ren Le Chateau thing. I can't believe you said you were actually studying with the Kabbalist that Patrice Chaplin has mentioned in interviews that I've listened to. And I found out that you did maybe 50 episodes of a podcast dedicated to the mystery of Ren Le Chateau with the late, great Philip Coppins, one of my favorite guys. I interviewed him in the early days. Really lucky to have that. But people think of him as an ancient aliens guy, but his interest and knowledge was way more diverse than that. So this podcast was a great thing to stumble upon. And I know you interviewed Patrice Chaplin at least once for that, if not more times, because I think the text interview on your website is a little different than the audio one from that show you did with Philip. But man, I've gotten really interested in her work and this notion that esoteric Christian sects or secret societies were preserving and protecting sacred knowledge from the big power centers of the day, like the Vatican. And I listened to your episode of Conspiracy Hour on the real Da Vinci Code. And you mentioned Henry Lincoln, one of the authors of the infamous Holy Blood, Holy Grail, going off on how these people had built pentagrams in the landscape and that these castles and monasteries are connected to basically be some sort of portal device if you know the ritual and the secrets. And that is pretty amazing stuff because what is a pentagram? It's supposed to be a portal essentially to call an energy in and have a dialogue with some kind of spirit. So if you could scale that up to build structures on natural places, you know, let's not discount the natural layer of the energy, but you build these structures on them and then you develop rituals and who knows how far you can take that mechanism of making a esoteric portal. Oh man, there's so much there in what you just said. I'm going to try and unpack some of it. I mean, first of all, I've written a lot of articles about bees. So just to kind of close the door on that, there's some ABC articles, part one, part two, part three on the history of bee veneration on my website, but also some really, really detailed stuff, including a theory, well, a theory, I believe it to be true, of you see all these stone structures all over the world and they're holding bags. What's in the bag? It's pollen. So there's a lot of detailed stuff about bees as well. So do check that out. And I think there's also some presentations on YouTube. And you mentioned Philip Coppins, you know, he was a good friend of mine. I traveled with him a lot on research trips and I was friends with his wife. And years after he had passed away, I was in Los Angeles on business and I had a few days off. And I know it sounds a bit weird, but I've also written a lot about some ancient cemeteries or kind of open air esoteric museums. So I went to Forest Lawn and I was just photographing some of the amazing stuff that they have there. And I was sitting in this one particular spot for the longest time. And I didn't want to move on. I just kind of sat there and I was resting. Eventually, I sort of reluctantly picked up my stuff, got in my car and left. And I later saw when someone else, a friend of mine, posted themselves at Philip's grave, I was sitting next to his grave and I didn't know it. Really, really kind of weird. But this whole Rennes-le-Chateau thing and 1891, a priest discovers a Visigoth pillar that's been knocked over and it has something ancient in it and he can't figure out what it says. And he goes to Paris and he tries to get some assistance in what it says. And he comes back, you know, really wealthy or so it appears and encodes his church and village and things to do with Mary Magdalene. And he acts very suspicious. He drinks a lot. He's clearly found something. The work of Patrice Chaplin says that that whole mystery around what he found doesn't come necessarily from Rennes-le-Chateau, but it comes from Girona, Spain. And I'm good friends with Patrice. I, you know, got all over her work when it came out. In fact, she's texted me earlier today and wants to speak this evening. And on the conspiracy hour, I'm going to do a segment on portals and CERN coming up in the next few weeks. So I'm thinking of featuring some of her work. And what's interesting about portals is their stargaze, if you will, into another dimension. So do they exist? Are they figments of our imagination? Because people call anything that's sort of weird and circular and you can't really explain it. Well, it's a portal. You know, I'm not so sure. I do know it. I think it's about 15 years ago now and it's been scrubbed because I've been looking for it for days. And if any of your listeners can find it, let me know. But there was this great video with the director of CERN and a reporter. So CERN, the big atom smasher, right? The God particle and all that. And the woman's like, you know, there's people starving all over the world and our economy is just in ruins. You're spending all these billions on an atom smasher. I mean, come on, is that really necessary? And he's explaining himself and she's not buying it and she's pressing him and he's going, this goes on and on and on. And finally, he's really flustered and he says, well, what price would you put on time travel? And she said, did you just say time travel? And you just have to look at CERN. They have a big statue of Shiva outside and all these rituals. The rituals have been performed and filmed. You can see it on YouTube. Someone being sacrificed and CERN not denying that it happened, but just saying we didn't authorize it. Oh, okay. So the satanic ritual took place in your facility, but you didn't authorize it. And then you have the whole opening of that tunnel that goes through Switzerland and the Alps. And, you know, look at that opening ceremony. Very, very satanic. Goddard tunnel ceremony. It's just astonishing that people go, oh yeah, that was interesting. Really quite arty. So have you interviewed Patrice Chaplin? No, she's on my list of people I'd love to interview, but I haven't been able to make contact just yet. Well, I'll set you up with her. One of her U.S. podcasts, which I thought was really interesting, she confided in me that she was talking about her book, The Portal, and talking about how Howard Hughes was coming to Catalan in Spain. And he was obsessed with portals. And he was concerned because there were a lot of portals that were open and unsavory things from other dimensions were coming through them. And she was going on and on about that. And then she said she got a phone call after the podcast from NASA, who wanted to know more about what Howard Hughes was up to with portals. Wow. Interesting. Yes. When you and Philip interviewed her, she said two things that stuck out to me. She said, the real secret is now in the French Pyrenees because they wanted to have it out of Guarana. And quote, it's now in a sacred place where there is a gap in the planet, which could be in touch with other realms. Hitler came looking for this very place and the key to activate it. This is what I've been told. The Hitler thing, you know, we've heard a thousand times that's what he was looking for. But that first part is pretty interesting to me. And then she went on to say, Renla Chateau and a Northern Tower set up an energy link that would give anyone with the key tremendous advantage on this planet. They were celestial. Ren was always part of the triangle with Guarana. And of course, two triangles can make a pentagram, but she's suggesting that whatever it is can be moved. So it's not like the castle itself, but yet it's also a function of the landscape. It's tough to make sense of exactly what's being said here. Help me out. Well, in Renla Chateau, you have the Tower of the Magdalene, which is interesting. Not only is the feast day of Mary Magdalene the 22nd, but the Tower of the Magdalene has 22 steps that lead up to a triangular shaped window that unambiguously points to the ancient burial site, a grotto whose ancient place name is the burial site of Mary Magdalene. You have that tower. And if you align that with a tower in Girona of similar structure, and you draw a line between the two, right in the middle is the sacred mountain of France, Mount Canigou. And I've been there with Patrice, and that really is the essence of a lot of her book, The Portal. And there's stories of, you know, if you go there with the right consciousness, you could enter another dimension. But these portals are everywhere. There's one in London by Marlebone Church. And Patrice told me the story of when she went there with her good friend, they were having dinner across the street, and an alchemist had agreed to have the portal open at a certain time. And they were going to walk into it, and she was going to sit in it. It's in the churchyard in the back of a church, as portal. And so they're having lunch in this very fancy restaurant, when she describes that a knife flies across the table and sticks in the wall. And she turns to her friend, and they're like, what the hell? Then they look at their watch and go, oh, God, portal's open. Got to go. So they leave the restaurant, go across the street. It's just 50 feet away. And they go into the portal. And she said she was greeted instantly by a professor from Oxford that she just vaguely knew. And he took her back in time and showed her some things. And portals are everywhere. And I think there's the kind that we can enter with our consciousness, and perhaps the meditation, perhaps the right ritual. But there's others, we're told, that are open. And other beings can come in from other dimensions. And perhaps that's what's happening, sir. Perhaps it is. So I've heard Patrice say that she didn't reveal everything in her books. Of course not. But especially the details of the ritual itself. She has said that the ritual takes two hours to really accomplish the full scope of it. And I'm curious about it. Obviously, it seems like there's just a lot of details. Like, is it a physical portal? Is it something that's just more like astral projection? And then my thought is, well, indigenous shamanism has been around forever. So this idea of taking something or doing the ritual drumming at the right time and projecting your consciousness out into the cosmos, having a psychedelic, esoteric experience, that can be done basically anywhere if you ingest the right thing. Maybe the mushroom, if we want to call it a portal, that's a movable portal. Take it anywhere you want. But the fact that it's such an emphasis on the landscape in this area, I mean, mountains are always talked about as mystical places for this sort of thing. But I guess, how does what's going on there differ from just taking mushrooms? I mean, if you take mushrooms and you have an out-of-body astral travel experience, it's pretty random a lot of the times. It's very bizarre. You can come back feeling like you felt the energy field of the cosmos and maybe extracted some knowledge from it, but it's not exactly like you're going to the same place every time. So when I think about these portals and a specific ritual, I'm like, maybe this is something reliable and repeatable to get to specific places. Like you can actually navigate to some version of coordinates that are maybe non-physical. How would you compare, I guess, just what you know about this ritual and this space to something like just taking mushrooms and having an astral experience? That's a great distinction because you can take ayahuasca, you can take mushroom and you could meet the plant goddess and you can have the same kind of experience that others who took that drug had. Ayahuasca is a great example of that. And you can do that anywhere. But portals are physical spots. They exist in a particular location and they don't really move from that location. How big are they? You know, the portal in London and Marlbone Church is maybe 40, 50 feet long, 20 feet wide. Patrice told me that the one in Mount Canigo that she writes about in her book is smaller than that. But knowing where it is, being able to be there and then get in the right meditative state, you can have probably a similar, but probably more coherent experience than you would with ayahuasca or with mushrooms. We're talking a little bit about Patrice. She would kill me for this. I mean, we used to be really close and then we kind of drifted a bit and we're good friends now. But she is a woman of mystery. You know, her books have been made in major motion pictures. I have a home in Istanbul and I was living in Istanbul maybe 10 or 15 years ago. And she had identified a cemetery outside of Girona in Catalan, of course, and all the tombstones were blue. And it was supposedly the source of the blue apples at noon, which is part of the Renla Chateau lore, which is really just how the stained glass window reflects on the wall on January 17th every year. But blue apples at noon has been the cause of a lot of Le Serpent Rouge, a lot of, you know, investigation. What does it mean? Well, she determined that it was a cemetery and the blue apples were the tombstones of the apostles. So I fly from Istanbul to Carcassonne, then I go down to Girona and I can't wait to see these tombs of the apostles. Day one goes by and she says, we'll see him tomorrow. Day two goes by, we'll see him tomorrow. Day four, the next day is my last day. And I'm like, I've come all this way. I really need to see the tombs of the apostles. That's what we agreed. So I had the person who was facilitating this group take me there early in the morning and I told her I was going to go there. And they were amazing, amazing tombs, all blue stone. This sounds terrible, but we laugh about it now. I went back to the group that morning and she walked up to me, looked me in the eye and punched me in the face. Wow. As hard as she could. And I'm like, right. Okay. Well, I'll be seeing you then. And we didn't speak for quite a long time. We laugh about it now. Well, there's a lot of protection over the mysteries, a lot of piecemeal revealing of certain things and, and something's going to be revealed and then it isn't. And it's tough to know. There's a lot of red herrings as well. Like is the mystery really about Mary Magdalene and Jesus, or is it about a portal place? Like I'm way more interested in it being that you mentioned studying with this Kabbalist. Now for people listening, when I've heard Patrice do these interviews, she met this Kabbalist and she says that she is not a Kabbalist, but she's come to respect the tradition through this person who has really educated her. And I guess it's thorny. Some people think it's automatically evil. I just think it's an old body of esoteric knowledge that seems to still have some merit. So clearly they knew something, maybe it can be weaponized against people or, you know, any knowledge can really be used for power and all that. But what do you say about this Kabbalist and what have they taught you? Well, again, she'll kill me for talking about this, but we were in a car, I was driving and we were trying to spy on her longtime lover and the keeper of the secret society in Girona, Joseph Therese. And we were in his home village. We were spying on him really is what we were doing. And she had an appointment she was late for with this Kabbalist and the Kabbalist, she keeps really secret. Like nobody has access to this Kabbalist, but I had to drive her there. And the Kabbalist and I instantly hit it off and instantly we're talking about very esoteric things. And she asked me to study with her. I think much to Patrice's chagrin. And I spent three years going down for study weekends that were 16, 17, 18 hours a day and a fire hose. If you weren't up for it, if you were tired, if you wanted a bathroom break, too freaking bad. She's just coming at you with this information. And so, you know, I've written zillions of articles about bees and that reflects about 10% of what she taught me because it's just so metaphysical and so esoteric that I even struggle digesting it, let alone writing about it. But she was the real deal. She's since passed. Amazing lady and, you know, really instrumental in a lot of Patrice's work. Interesting. So what do you think she taught you that you wouldn't have gotten anywhere else? I mean, you've been on so many of these talking head, esoteric shows on the History Channel and all that. What did she tell you that wouldn't make it on the air on those shows? Well, I couldn't even begin to articulate it. Just the real metaphysical aspect of the bees' existence. And she taught Silverdard Ali, Jean Cocktail and others. And, you know, she's an amazing teacher. But really, it was like studying Rudolf Steiner on acid. There you go. And if you thought Steiner was deep, then this woman took it, you know, levels beyond. And when she passed, you know, I really regret it. She had just volumes and volumes. So if you spoke about name a word, name a number, any word, any number, she had files on it that were decomposed in the Kabbalah. And just loads of symbolism, but it was all in Spanish. They offered them to me and I just couldn't accommodate them because they were like, you know, 100 feet long worth of shelf space. But I wish I had taken them just a wealth of knowledge there. And some of the stories and some of the places we went to, I would definitely like to write about because there are some really interesting stuff from the biblical period that ties into that part of the world. Well, when we're talking about the ritual and the portal place there, you said coherent. That's a great term for kind of what I was trying to articulate. You take mushrooms, you have an experience, you know there's something out there, but it's not always repeatable. It's not always coherent. So if there is a portal in the landscape in this area, you mentioned Patrice saying she visited previous time periods. I mean, is this a multifaceted portal that has multiple functions or does it take you to one reliable place every time? I think, you know, I don't know if anyone knows the answer to that. It's a great question. You know, the portal in London, I'm sure there's many of them all over the place. The key is to just kind of have that intuitiveness, that special openness where one, you can identify them or find them when you've been told generally where they're at and then to access them. And I think from people I know who have had real demonstrable experiences and very coherent ones in these portals, they've all been a little different. It's like you're being told and shown things that are relevant to you as an individual and someone else could show up the next day and have completely different insight. I guess talking to you, I'm sort of classifying now three levels of portals. The ones you do with drugs like ayahuasca and mushrooms, the ones where you go to the portal and you meditate and you have an experience because you're accessing, say, a record or some kinds of other dimensions. And then the third kind of portal where entities from another realm can come in. And those are the ones I think that CERN is trying to conjure. Fair enough. Yeah. I would imagine that a portal like a telephone, it can work both ways, like a tunnel. There's going to be someone that can go from here to there, there to here. And there is a lot of talk about entities and demons coming through such portals. And usually it's put in very big, epic terms. These really bombastic terms of like, these things are wreaking havoc in our world and they're causing the destruction of mankind, yet they're undetectable. I'm looking for evidence of them. Yeah. You could choose people's behavior as some kind of evidence for it. The psychopaths are in power. Maybe they're in league with some kind of demons. But this notion of entities unleashed into the world and wreaking havoc like some kind of Pandora's box, I'm interested in the concept of it. But where do we see any evidence of entities in our world? What would you point to to be like, no, there is this influence and it's not as subtle as you might think. And here it is. It's a heavy question because I believe that largely space is fake. I know that. And when someone, maybe you admire Elon Musk and he's talking about a lot of cool stuff, but when he's talking about going to Mars, I'm like, oh, would you just stop lying to us? And thus, where are the other dimensions? If we have a roof over us called the firmament, which every single religion, every theology and history has spoken about, and you have all this dogma, you know, for instance, the earth is spinning at a thousand miles an hour. Really, it's spinning at a thousand miles an hour while it travels 66,600 miles an hour around the sun, while the Milky Way is traveling at 514,000 miles an hour while we move through the universe at 1.3 million miles an hour. But the stars are in the same place everywhere. Right. The sun shines through the stained glass window and makes the blue apple the same way as it did 600 years ago. And I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night. The sun is not 93 million miles away. I see the clouds behind it. It looks to be the same size as the moon, which they tell us is 240,000 miles away. So when I hear about portals being opened, I'm just in no position to say what that dimension represents. Because if we have a firmament above us, then maybe Black Rock, which is the true magnetic north of the earth, is where we have access to these other dimensions. It gets really, really interesting quickly. Or maybe it's continents beyond the ice wall that we're communicating to and with. Or maybe that ice wall is actually the firmament. And that probably sounds nuts to people who are listening to this without any backdrop or any images. But I've written extensively about the dome that's above earth called the firmament. And, you know, it just changes my perspective on space and dimensions and, you know, the structure of the earth. Right, right. I did plan to get there. You're getting a little ahead of me, but I did plan to get there. I mean, let's just jump right into it. So this is, we've talked about the firmament before. I've interviewed people who have that position, but this was new. So if there's a firmament above us, you can take a lot of cosmologies that would have kind of a stacked pancake of dimensions and that there'd be dimensions above us and below us. Well, I heard you talk about the prospect of an underwater firmament being accessed for the layer below ours. You mentioned this show, Blue Planet, which I've seen. I mean, I think it's made by the people who did Planet Earth and they did Blue Planet after that. But the guy who made that apparently is at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico, Gulf of America, excuse me, and says, what is that? We're already at the bottom of the ocean, but there's like another ocean below. And he says it's the most salient substance he ever experienced. And it's like a watery abyss that he bounced off of, couldn't really penetrate it, but it was like an ocean below the ocean, but it was more dense. And there's a few more provocative details to this, but talk to us about this guy and this potential bumping up against the underwater firmament. That's a great story too, because the firmament, according to all, not some, all, pick one, Hopi, Hebrew, Hindu, Christian, Inca, they all talk about the second day of creation, God created a barrier above us to protect us from the watery abyss beyond to keep the earth below dry. So picture a snow globe. And the Hebrew tradition talks about there's seven levels of firmament. Now, DeGuerre, I think that was his name. Mike DeGuerre. Yes, that's the guy's name. He died when his helicopter exploded two weeks after he gave the interview, which you can still see on YouTube, where he enthusiastically recounts just what you said. He's down at the bottom of the Gulf of America. That's difficult to say. And found another ocean below the ocean. And he's like, you know, how can this be? And they tried to penetrate it in your sub and they bounced right off of it. So is that one of the layers of firmament? So either the earth is not round or it's much, much, much bigger than we're told it is. And the best way to get your head around that is to look at flight plans where you're going from A to C, but you're stopping at B and the location of B is nowhere near C. It's like completely opposed to a different 45 degree angle. Why would you go to B when your final destination is C? Well, on a flat earth and abuse and shame and all that will be coming our way if we're talking about that. But you got to have some guts to talk about a flat earth. On a flat earth, it all lines up in a straight line. So either we're on a round surface, it's much bigger than we think it is, or there's multiple dimensions to the earth. So in Blue Planet, they appear to have found one of the firmaments that separates the world beneath our ocean from perhaps another world beneath that. Reference Admiral Byrd for some fairly credible discussion of the inner earth. But for me, one of, you know, you look at all the spaceships, the rockets that are sent up into space. They all sort of curve and it looks as though there's a boat on the water because it is water. The rocket is going up against a watery ceiling. And this is why Van Allen was sending up balloons with rockets going up and doing nuclear explosions at the top of the atmosphere to get through it. And I think 2000 or 2010, I forget, somewhere around that time, the US released all these documents that were classified with the intent of showing what Russia was up to during the Cold War. But deep in those documents are chapters about the firmament. It's been photographed. The temperature has been measured. Everything about it's been understood. We just can't penetrate it. There's multiple PhDs out there who are talking about the fact that the earth is a closed system. We can't leave. There's nowhere to go. Well, I've been interested in the flat earth thing for a long time. I say I'm earth shape agnostic. I just listen to people and it's probably going to be above my pay grade. I think the NASA stuff, that is the gateway, right? It's dissecting the NASA stuff, everything they've shown us about space. And then you're like, wait a minute, these clouds are just photoshopped, copy, paste, copy, paste around the image. And they say, well, this, the blue marble is a composite. It's like, well, a composite. Well, why isn't it just the image or these photos from NASA? They never expected us to be able to go frame by frame to dissect them. And yeah, I don't believe anything that comes from NASA. And then you think, well, who really is telling us about the world? I mean, we're really just the school books. They're just taking NASA for granted and injecting it into the educational curriculum. And then everybody believes it. And that's basically how we all have these ideas. So yeah, it starts with NASA. And then I'm not really sure if it scales all the way up to, and the earth is flat and we can't get beyond the ice wall. But did you see the recent expedition that some prominent flat earth proponents took? They went down to Antarctica and they were at an outpost. Austin Witsit was there and Jaronism. Jaronism's been on the show. I need to talk to him personally before I continue to keep saying what his interpretation was. But they saw the 24 hour sun. They were at this base station. Sun went around them for 24 hours, never went dark. That's not supposed to happen in flat earth cosmology because the ice ring is on the outer edge of the bullseye, you know, the dinner plate. So it's a curiosity. It's thrown a bit of a wrench in the flat earth community. People aren't sure how to interpret that because it doesn't conform with their model. But yet there's all this other data that does support it. There's all kinds of claims. Obviously, conspiracy people are going to be a skeptical bunch. So they say, well, you throw a couple million dollars at some prominent flat earth people. They'll lie if it changes their whole multi-generational wealth. I don't believe that. I think these guys are pretty legit. They're really after the truth. Did you see this event and how do you fold it into your model? I saw the event. I don't give it any credence. I'm sorry. Respectfully, I don't. It just feels like a setup. But I don't know if what they were trying to measure would have proved anything. From my understanding, it wouldn't have proved anything. You know, we're living in a time when if you're not on MSM and if you're on places like Telegram or Rumble, then you're seeing a lot of individuals sharing things like, you know, multiple suns, suns and moons in the same places. There's a lot of things going on where the, again, I come back to and, you know, we're spending a thousand miles an hour moving, you know, 56, mark of the beast around the sun, then half a million miles an hour around the universe. And then in 1.3, come on. I mean, just repeat that to any seven-year-old and they would go like, okay, that's bullshit. And the stars are in the same place. You've got to be kidding me. The whole thing is a lie. If you look at these planets, you look at Mars through a real telescope, not a Photoshop computer generated image of complete bollocks. It looks as though it's floating in water. And it probably is. So the moon, they tell us is 240,000 miles away, but we've lost the technology to go there. What percentage of what NASA has told us is true? I would say about zero, maybe one, maybe two. I mean, it is ridiculous. And it really winds me up because all the money that they've spent on it has either been used to try to break through the firmament or to do other nefarious things like deep underground military bases, but not military bases, probably adrenochrome harvesting facilities and all sorts of nefarious stuff. We've been lied to by almost everyone in our educational system about almost everything from Tartaria to NASA to the shape of the earth. I also am shape agnostic, but you know what, for me, if you look at the Truman Show, which we all know and love, the Jim Carrey film, where at the end he escapes the fake world he was in, there is a fantastic image of Ed Harris, the director of the TV show, The Truman Show, sitting in his chair, looking at a table that is flat on top with a snow globe over it, but these weird dimensional constructs underneath the table and these radiant lines up above, for me, somehow, I'd like to think that somebody knows what the shape of the universe is and they're showing us in that image, because it's clearly the firmament, but something more beneath it and around it. Yeah, it is a fascinating subject. And if it were to be true, and the globe model has been a giant deception, you would expect that it would be one of the biggest secrets kept. And this is interesting. So you wrote a little bit about the firmament and Freemasonry. And I've heard this before, that at the very end of the Freemasonic rabbit hole, one of the big secrets is that the cosmology is polar opposite from what we're told. And I've had people even loop in the square and compass. Where is a square and compass useful? On a flat plane. Drawing a circle with a compass on a flat plane. Maybe the secret is hidden in plain sight. But this is from your website. You write, I joined the Freemasons shortly after moving to London in 1997. My hope was to experience their rituals and learn as much as I could about their secrets. I progressed through craft masonry, entered apprentice, fellow craft, and master mason, and advanced to other degrees, such as Royal Mark Mariner and chapter. I was fascinated by the rituals and their respective regalia, which seemed to represent an arcane view of ancient cosmology. On reflection, it appears that the symbolism I found so captivating may represent the firmament. I visited the Museum of Freemasonry in London's United Grand Lodge to confirm my suspicions, and I was not disappointed. I do love this. I mean, this is one of those things. If the Freemasons run the world and they've created these manipulations somewhere deep down in the basement, they've got to have the true library, like the Vatican probably does. And you think you've seen enough symbolism and maybe hidden illusions within their corpus of material to suspect that, yeah, that is one of the secrets, huh? Well, I'm laughing just because, you know, I was really keen to join the Masons and learn their secrets. And I did. And when I did, I just sort of buttered off. And in the UK, it's a real formal process. You know, I joined, that was back when the fever of the Hiram Key was out and all these mysteries, and it goes back to Egyptian times, blah, blah, blah, blah. But one, I got to be quite senior. There's no secrets. I mean, I think the Freemasons are just this bucket of let's blame the Masons. I mean, they don't rule the world. They're not nefarious. There are organizations that are. Try the Satana Cabal, the Global Elite, the WEF, the WHO. Those are your nefarious organizations. The Freemasonry, Freemasons give more to charity than any other organization on the planet, and they don't ask you for money. So I'm not defending them because I found them quite boring and tedious at the end. Well, let me just say that, of course, the Rockefellers and the Clintons, they got charitable foundations. The Gateses have charitable foundations. Charity can cover up a lot of criminality. And I'm not saying I know anything about the Masons, but I just think at a higher level, they use the lower levels to do the charity works and that kind of stuff. And then at an upper level where you or I probably have never been privy to, maybe there's more going on. But don't they have a big overlap with the World Economic Forum and a big overlap with Skull and Bones and other orders? To me, it's a big bunch of concentric rings like the Olympics logo. Like there's definitely overlap within these groups. I mean, we've seen that Biden has just joined a Masonic Lodge. There you go. What's that about? Yeah. I really think it's all bollocks. It's a men's club. And that's why I left. I'm like, it's men who are tired of their wife and go on to go out and have some beers with the guys. And that's what it is. And I took my ritual really serious. I was word perfect. I studied it. I practiced it. And maybe at the upper echelons, but I really don't think so. I think secret societies are secret. We don't even know about them. Right. We just wouldn't know. Well, the attempt of the great resets revealed the great reveal. And we now know that almost every three-letter organization on the planet is nefarious. But Masonry, I just think, is no longer relevant. I personally don't think they're the evil organization that people always say they are, even at the highest level. Whether it's Skulls, whether it's the 33 Club, it probably doesn't have a name that we know, but there certainly is a global elite. And a lot of those belong to Masonic lodges. A lot of them belong to Martinist and to Rosicrucian. Well, I'm totally open to the idea that Freemasons are a catch-all term and a scapegoat for a lot of other groups that aren't talked about as much. But what about the Freemasonic, some say origins, origins might be a strong term, but the Freemasonic associations with NASA? I mean, if we're saying NASA is one of the biggest deceptive organizations, a big op, who started that op? It seems like it was a bunch of Freemasons. It seems like the astronauts were privileged Freemasons allowed to play the role of astronaut. There's the cover story. I mean, because we don't think they went to the moon, right? So then there's another layer of that story where, well, they did go to the moon and they did a secret Masonic ritual on the moon. And so some people believe that's the story. They think that's the coverup. There's always, you know, games within games, layers and layers, but there's definitely a Freemasonic association and overlay with NASA. So if they had the power to establish such a thing, that's kind of a lot of influence. Yeah, I get what you're saying. I still think they're a massive scapegoat, an organization that has no relevancy other than localized charity. Again, I'm not defending them. I found it quite boring and tedious at the end, which is why I left and they were really cool about that. And, you know, we all left on good terms. I mean, there was a time when it was those things. There was a time when if you had a secret handshake, you knew that you were talking to a brethren that you could trust and thus you would get advantages in business and advantages in life. I think that existed. When did that go out of vogue? Largely, I think decades ago. The origins of Freemasonry? I happen to think it's Roman Mithraism. You know, each has a lodge where you perform rituals with offices in the cardinal points, ritual meal afterwards. You have lodge of instruction down the hall, ritual handshake, etc., etc. And Mithraism was brought to the UK and that's kind of where Freemasonry was born. So I think it has an esoteric history. But again, I'm more worried about the three-letter acronym organizations than I am Freemasonry today. But I take your point. Fair enough. Man, well, this has certainly been a wild ride through a bunch of different mysteries. You really know a lot about many topics I find interesting given all the research you've done. I am curious. A lot of these things you've researched, they're still mysteries. You might spend years, many, many hours studying something and just not really get a conclusion out of it. I understand how that goes. If you could get a definitive answer on one thing that you've researched in depth that kind of still nags at you, what do you think that might be? It would be BlackRock. It would be BlackRock. Not the conglomerate that owns Apple and all these other big companies, but BlackRock that was written about between John Dee and other famous map makers and others, which is the magnetic center of the earth, the 33 kilometer wide, super tall mountain that is like the alleged true tree of life, the center of the earth where you can get out of this realm beyond the firmament and down below as well. The ancients wrote about it. I would love to know if that's real. And given that it's a physicality in our realm, I think that at some point we'll know if that's true or not. Yeah, I'm right there with you. I would also love to know. Essentially, we're saying we want to know the true makeup of the landscape, what this container is, this human terrarium, as I sometimes say. But I agree with you. It doesn't seem like we can really get out as much as they want to make us believe that we can. When Elon Musk says we're going to Mars, I think he just means war. Touche. But this has been really fun. I am glad this recommendation got made. It was great getting to talk to you. Remind the people of your various irons in the fire, what you're working on, where they can follow you, the links and all that good stuff. Yeah, no, thanks so much. AndrewGolf.com is my website. And I don't really write books. I've always had a full-time job sort of in the corporate world. And I'm just passionate about all this stuff. And I do it kind of on the side. So when I write articles, there's 50 of them on my website. There are 10,000, 15,000 words. So you don't have to spend hours reading a book. You get the same content in 45 minutes, et cetera. My most current project is the Conspiracy Hour on Unified TV, where I do an episode a week on various conspiracies. One of which, recent one that we didn't get a chance to talk about is Paul McCartney and his alleged death in 1966. And I know everyone's thinking, yeah, I've heard about that. But there is some new information on that. And the Paul McCartney thing, by the way, is hysterical because I publish it on Facebook. Here's my new article. Go have a look at it. And you have incredible, well-versed researchers who are famous going, bollocks, no, hogwash. I won't even open it. So it just tells you in the world today, we all have our buttons that are pushed. And there's subjects that we just can't phantom could be possible. And I think we all have to keep an open mind. And that's what the Conspiracy Hour is all about. So I hope you get a chance to check it out. Amen. I can vouch that I've seen a couple episodes and really enjoyed them. And also, when you decide to write a piece on your website, they're few and far between. I mean, you write maybe ones every six months or something. But when you decide to go into a subject, it is book length. I mean, it's a scroll because it's a blog. But man, I read this Paul McCartney thing and it was dense. The black carnation, all kinds of symbolism. I do find it to be really compelling. A lot of it's visual, so it's hard for us to really cover. But yeah, I would urge anyone to go read that if you're interested in the Paul is Dead thing and tune into the Conspiracy Hour. Always good stuff going on there. But yeah, this was a pleasure. Keep up the great work. Thanks for taking the time and take care. Thanks, Greg. It's been a pleasure. Thanks for having me. And you keep up the great work. Good stuff. And boom goes the dynamite, my damies. Really fun one. A range of unexpected topics. And Andrew is well-versed in many of the mysteries. And we're certainly getting closer to that Patrice Chaplin interview. I know I keep going on and on about her and the portal stuff. Although I'm not sure how much free listeners have even been getting on that because it's usually something I've been asking people about in the second hour, if it's relevant, when we've gotten through their own work. But today it was much more related to the overall topics and connected to the big thing. So we put it in there early. I actually made contact with a person who does book Patrice's interviews, thanks to Miguel. And we are talking about it now. Andrew's a fun guy, though. Seemed like I dug up some stuff that he really didn't want to talk about there in the second hour. But hey, I just pull from a person's own writings and website and some of the stuff I thought would be the wildest I had to ask about, as I tend to do. Be careful what you commit to the page, people, because I will find it and ask you to elaborate. I did love his reactions to some of that, though, and it is all good fun. I love Inner Earth stuff, and that's mainly what I'm commenting on there. But yeah, as far as the plus show, let's just do it now. For free listeners, some of the stuff you missed out on in that second hour are things like the rediscovery of the Library of Alexandria, the Habsburg's involvement in Ren Le Chateau, Andrew's project restoration, his investigation and work on Oak Island, the Knights Templar in the Inner Earth Civilization, and just several other Inner Earth stories. Sign up for plus already. Get years of great uninterrupted and ad-free interviews. As much as you like the first hour, imagine twice as much waiting for you for the low, low cost of $8 a month. Links right there in the show notes. Come on in. The water's fine. But as for the first hour stuff, you know I love the term pentagrams in the landscape. And it really does feel like that's what we're talking about, if you ask me. Some sort of natural energy spots that were marked with towers, and it forms a bit of a pentagram. It kind of depends on which sites you include and exclude. I've found some maps that make it a six-pointed star, and some only use three, and then some use five. If you hadn't heard, there's a lot of towers and cathedrals in that region. But I do think it starts out with something natural that's just been marked and probably amplified by the attention put on it. And if you take this all the way back to a pre-industrial world, discovering astral projection and multidimensional contact and the Akashic Record would feel like discovering godlike powers. Some even say time travel. And sure, maybe that is slightly involved because you can have experiences that extend time on the other side, so it feels somewhat like stretching out a lifespan. And if you're swimming in the knowledge field in a sustained way, yeah, it feels like you found the Cosmic Library of Alexandria too. And I'm spitballing here, but with my limited knowledge, that is what those mysteries seem to be about overall to me. Little did they know that other cultures and indigenous groups also knew about such things, but I see this as the way the Western establishment grappled with it. And when they saw that it had this immense power, then yeah, they thought it had to be guarded and protected. You know, some of that lore really logic's out for me. Andrew's hidden hive stuff is also great. It's just highly enhanced by the visual element, though I still wanted to make sure that's where we started. And when we did get deep into inner earth traditions, there were a couple other things I found on his site that are in my notes that we didn't get to. This is just another example, but it's a good mystery he writes about, and I'll just quote from the blog. But as for the Viking settlement in Greenland, he says, Eric the Red arrived in 985, and they set up hundreds of farms. They had over 3,000 settlers, and then they all disappeared. Though we do find a clue in the Eskimo tradition, which recounts how the Vikings migrated north to the land of the endless summer and descended into a land of eternal bliss inside the earth. So probably something I would have had him elaborate on. But of course, hearing that the Vikings migrated north to the land of endless summer is interesting. And then of course, having Eskimos say that they aren't there now because they went inside the earth is very provocative. Kind of makes me wonder if that has anything to do with why Trump is so fixated on Greenland. People say it's about the minerals in the ground. Sure, maybe, but this also could be a strategic place to control or have access to during these cataclysmic periods. Who knows? But I would just add it to this long list of inner earth references and lore, because it is kind of a global thing. This is a list that comes from his website also. In Mexican folklore, a mountain cave provides access to the inner earth, and Mexico itself is said to be possessed by devilish creatures who come from inside the earth. In Nordic tradition, the inner earth is known as the home of the elves. In Turkey and Mongolia, the inner earth is known as Urginkan and is located in the inaccessible valleys of the Altai Mountains. In Native American mythology, ancient ancestors emerged from a subterranean land through a cave in the Missouri River. In ancient German mythology, certain mountains conceal portals to the inner earth. A Russian legend tells of an ancient Siberian tribe which traveled to a cavern city inside the earth and settled there. In Peru, Inca ancestors are believed to have come from caves east of Cuzco. In Cuban tradition, their ancestors, the Tano, are believed to have emerged from two caves in a sacred mountain. Brazilian Indians claim that their forefathers emerged from an underground land and that their ancestors remain inside the earth. In Hindu mythology, the underworld inner earth is referred to as Patala. In Tibetan Buddhist belief, the inner earth was known as Shambhala or Shangri-La. And in the Altai Mountains in Central and Eastern Asia, folklore states that Mount Beluka is one of the many gateways. So yes, not exactly smoking gun evidence, but it's interesting when you stack up all the different regions that have a tradition about the inner earth, often accessible through a sacred mountain. Which to me says these are all the bunker locations of the Atlantean elite that survived the last cataclysm. I'm half kidding, but it is hard to deny that there's something to it. And I think cyclical cataclysms are the name of the game. And all the inner earth stuff is just the fragmented context that helps make the case that the surface gets destroyed every so often. So good times. An unexpected episode, I'm sure. Check out Andrew's website for more. In higher side news, the big THC rune soup event is right around the corner, six days and counting. And March is actually going to be really crazy for me because after that, Gordon is going to stick around for a few more days so we can check out some other local sites like Bach Tower and this supposedly haunted city in Florida, Casadega. If you haven't heard of it, it'll be fun to have a friend to go check out these things with, and that's going to keep me busy for a couple of days after the event. And then later in the month is my 40th birthday and we're going pretty hard for it. We had this wild idea of renting RVs for all of our friends and just parking them in the backyard because we have that kind of space and freedom now. It's great. The idea was brought up and everybody really jumped at the chance. So we're having this private camping extended weekend. We're calling it Carl Woodstock 2025. It makes me feel all fucking warm and fuzzy, but that's just another week in March that I'm not going to be working. So the point is to just say that I have my five shows for March already recorded and I'm just going to be peppering them in amongst all the other stuff I got going on. It's nice to have that kind of flexibility with a job like this, but it's also bittersweet to see reality moving so quickly when my releases are not going to be as up to date. In some cases, it won't matter because the content is more like something closer to maybe today's where who knows when I recorded this, it could have been six months ago. It wouldn't have mattered, but I do have two examples where it definitely does matter, but it is what it is. It's the only way I get to step away from the job for a little bit. And this friend fest is a recharge I really need. So bear with me as we navigate a full calendar in the month of March. Moving on, let's get to the rating of the last show. I think people have been anxious to hear this because it was a real wild one with gray area monarch and the episode rating is a bit more of a mixed bag than I expected 4.5, which isn't bad, but just going through the comments, they really are all over the place from this show offered nothing. And this guy sucks to people saying it's one of the best ones they've heard in a long time, which I expected more of that. We don't get to pepper in firsthand experiencers very often. And I thought it was fun. Very divided though. And I get it. Several people were like, where's the evidence? And I just wanted to say, well, evidence of what the ritual that he was a part of when he was a child, probably hard to get, but the surrounding context of other big events at that time was interesting. Why would he have looked into all that and chosen this obscure eclipse in the mid nineties to focus on so heavily? Or maybe you're looking for evidence of the gate program being more nefarious. Well, just go look at the adults that are sharing their experiences as kids. Again, it's anecdotal, but communities are forming where people say, whatever that was, was way different than my parents were told about. I had a couple listeners chime in to say, yeah, that was my experience too. And a few other people chimed in to say that they knew the areas of Tennessee well, that Gray was describing. And he described them accurately in a lot of detail. So I thought he spoke with authority on a lot of different things that would be hard to make up because I didn't think he shied away from detail, but it is kind of take it or leave it stuff. A lot of it isn't going to have strong smoking gun evidence. And with a diverse audience of a large size, you are going to hear all kinds of opinions. Some people thought it sucked that I didn't have it go through the usual edit, but isn't it a little nice to have a comparison for the work that is usually done on a THC episode that often gets taken for granted? Number one, but then also those, you knows and stumbles and stutters and his general cadence to me, it makes him seem a little high energy, maybe a little anxious in a way that felt consistent with a person telling these sorts of stories about their life. So I liked it a lot. I'm always a bit disappointed to hear from people who didn't when I build it up in my mind, because I'm thinking that's the best I got for a while. So I hope you're not too disappointed with me overall. Although just different people like different kinds of shows, I'm sure there'll be plenty of people who thought today's was much better and much more their speed and in their area of interest. At least I can hope, right? All right, let's do the meetup calendar thing. All right, March 3rd, tomorrow, Pullman, Washington, Rico's Public House. And then of course, March 8th is our event here in Florida. I know there was another event on March 8th. It looks like it got pulled for whatever reason. March 26th, Dove Creek, Colorado, Banger's Bar and Pizza. March 29th in Sydney, Australia, Chish and Phipps Kiosk. And then March 31st, Auckland, New Zealand, Gale Brath's Ale House. Good stuff. Hiresidemeetups.com for more details on any event or to make your own. But that is the show. Again, I'm going to pause on the custom songs for each episode because it's a lot of work to write them. And I just got to get through an overcommitted month of March right now. But most people are happy to see that put on the back burner anyway, from what I read. So all good. Take care of you and yours. Stay focused on what's important to you and don't get dragged around by the headline of the day and all that. I mean, who cares about the Trump Zelensky bitch session? But all right, I've done my part. Your move, hidden hive hiders, landscape pentagram preservers, and portal ritual tradition keepers. Your fucking move. From space it was falling, its light started calling. It's making crop circles again. Just as I was looking up, it showed me all the hidden stuff. And now I'm all enlightened and zen. Silver ships are coming, yours set me straight. Did you two go when you see the solstice glow? One by one, we'll all end up awake.