Andrew Johnson | 9/11, Cold Fusion, & Controlled Opposition

The planet's puppet masters almost surely have a plan. There's clearly maybe something there beyond the realm of man. Until we've been close-chested... Well, well, well, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. From the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood. And along with many of you listening, 9-11 became a seminal event in the creation of the kind of person I turned out to be. It might have taken some years to recognize it, but the event taught many of us just how sophisticated and coordinated narrative control can be, and that the media, when it comes down to it, really is just PR for the big machine acting as some sort of counterbalance. And when we went deeper, it taught us about predictive programming, symbolism, numerology, and ritual. It introduced many of us to the very term false flag and the realization that they happen much more often than anyone thought. It also showed us how brazen the bloodlust of the controller class can be, and how no amount of death and destruction is too much if it serves their globalist agenda and justifies the jumpstart of an ever more invasive digital surveillance-accepting fear-based society. But for some, like those who have taken the time to unpack Dr. Judy Wood's seminal text, Where Did the Towers Go?, it goes even further still. And 9-11 also reveals the hidden hand of a shadowy network somewhere that lords over and aggressively suppresses all knowledge of exotic energy technologies outside of the carefully crafted mainstream quarantine. Well, today's guest, Andrew Johnson, is just one such person, and he's actually a good friend and colleague of Dr. Judy Wood, and has produced two books of his own, titled 9-11 Finding the Truth and 9-11 Holding the Truth, breaking down exactly why she's so right and documenting a hell of a lot of controlled opposition. It seems like you can tell a lot about a person by their response to the actual evidence. But as for Andrew's background, he was born and raised in Yorkshire, where he had a UFO sighting at around age 10. He studied computer science and physics at Lancaster University in the 80s, worked in software engineering full and part-time from the time of graduation till about 2009. He also worked part-time as a computering and technology tutor for the Open University. He began intensely researching the UFO topic and disclosure project in 2003, and two years later set up his own website, checktheevidence.com, which is still going strong and is chock full of amazing documentation on several subjects we love around here. Well worth a night or two of exploration. He's also the author of a few other books, like Climate Change and Global Warming Exposed, Finding the Secret Space Program, Removing Truth's Protective Layers, Secrets in the Solar System, Gatekeeping on Earth, Acknowledged a Perspective on the Matters of UFOs, Aliens, and Crop Circles, and the Earth, But Not As We Know It, and Exploration. Going deep and spilling some tea, the 9-11 Truth Champion, Hidden Energy Highlighter, and Disinfo Agent Exposer, Andrew, welcome to the higher side. That's the best, most comprehensive introduction I've had, Greg, so that's fantastic. Thank you very much. Of course. I don't need to say anything else, because I can just go now, because you've got it all right there, I think. Yeah, so thank you very much for inviting me. I'm flattered and honored by that. Thanks a lot. Of course. I really like to jump in and kind of get us a little further downfield than some other interviews start off, and this is a serious pleasure. I had a great time getting into your work. I like to tell the audience how guests come to be on the show, and this started with me listening to an interview of Bob Grenier, and when he went over all this history of cold fusion technology and alternative energy suppression, I wanted to hear more about it, and the next thing that came across my screen was a presentation slash interview that you guys did together almost four hours, and I was sold. I got in touch, and here we are. As you know, I had Dr. Judy Wood on years ago, and when I'm asked about 9-11, I do say that I think she has the best research on it and is the only one looking at the physical evidence that they worked so quickly to remove from the scene, and her book is just the best that I know of, but what I've learned from you is that the biggest secret that they aggressively protect is knowledge of the technology that actually brought those buildings down, and that includes the 9-11 truth movement and most of the groups. Absolutely, and just to sort of go into that a little bit, Dr. Wood may have said on your program, I may have heard that interview, but it was quite a few years, and she may have said, do you think they forgot to plan a cover-up in relation to 9-11? That is, of course. She used to say that a lot, and it's a very good point, and I think I wrote something in the books like, well, the cover-up has evolved. They've had to evolve it as people have come into it and looked at it and found out more, and it's been strategically planned so that they reveal things, or they're kind of forced into revealing things at certain points, really, I think, because of people like us actually finding the evidence and saying, look, the only thing you can say about this is that it's true. You know, and obviously a lot of people want to say that Dr. Wood's book is a theory. It's not a theory. It's actually a review of evidence. That evidence shows the only explanation for that evidence is that there is some type of energy effect going on, and she was saying that, I think, as early as 2004, and I wasn't in touch with her then, and she got a lot of heat for talking about directed energy weapons initially, and then this Stephen E. Jones character who was involved in cold fusion research back in the 80s, he came out with this story about thermite, and then he described that Dr. Wood's research was talking about space beams or beams from space or ray beams from space, you know, and I saw all of that unfolding. I was sort of the ringside seat to all of that, and that's what my books are about, and I'll give a little bit of background on that to expand on the introduction. You know, you mentioned that I work for the Open University, which is all the courses are correspondence courses, and unfortunately, we don't really meet our students anymore since COVID. I did meet the students before COVID, and I used to give the odd lecture about once a month because it's mainly correspondence courses that we did. Well, it is correspondence courses at the Open University, and so because of that, I mean, I'm not a professor, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a PhD, I don't have any advanced degrees, but, you know, I was regarded as a scholar, quote-unquote, and that's how I got into the Scholars for 9-11 Truth. That was part of the reason why they, quote-unquote, let me in, but they even bent their own rules to let me in, and they invited me in as a full member, and I'm not a professor or anything like that, I don't have a, you know, I'm just a tutor, and I mark and assess students' work, and I give tutorials, and that's it, really. I don't do research for the Open University, and all the research I've done is private research, you know, in the books and that, none of it's sponsored by the OU. Just to jump in here, when it comes to being brought in to that group, if I recall from a previous interview of yours, they reached out to you, I think it was Stephen Jones, reached out to you, and he said, hey, we want to make you a full member. To me, now having learned everything I learned that we're going to talk about, that seems like kind of a co-option, like, oh, this guy is on that page, the page that we don't want anyone on, let's bring him into our group, it helps our group get credibility, and then we will tell people what the narrative is, and Andrew Johnson's name is within our group, so he must endorse the perspective that we're giving, and yes, I just think this is, like, it's kind of tangled up, but this is how disinformation works, and just to remind people, Dr. Judy Wood's book I got right here, it is all about the physical evidence, and when I interviewed her, she was very coy about, well, what technology would do this, who did it, she's like, I'm not even getting into that yet, we're looking at the wreckage on the day, which no one wants to talk about, really, and the fact that there's no seismic impact measured from the falling of these buildings, there's a lot of anomalies in the behavior of the metals, objects fused together, images that show parts of the building nowhere near the impact point that are just crumbling on their own, the spire, which she has highlighted, it's like a, on a lot of big buildings, they'll have a radio tower or something, while this tower on top, totally antenna, you could say, not even touching the area where the planes hit, it dustifies as it's falling, I mean, these are all the things that she's looking at that you saw that just not a lot of other people are highlighting, I even took a screenshot of a key from the complete understanding of happening surrounding the event is the title of it that you and Bob were going over, but it is a key that is melted, and it's like, this kind of stuff is all over the scene, why would there be a melted key on the ground because a couple of planes hit a building or that there was a controlled demolition, you know, these are the things that the 9-11 groups won't talk about, the nanothermite argument, my understanding is that if that were true, it would light up like a sparkler because that is a material that creates a lot of light, and that didn't happen, so, I mean, let's just jump to Stephen Jones because he is kind of the guy, when anyone looks at what this might have been, they say, well, it's nanothermite because this guy, Stephen Jones, did a big analysis and sent it off to the lab and they have these little round iron spheres and some chips, some chip parts of nanothermite that are unignited and that's open and shut case. Well, I guess pick it up there and talk to us about why maybe that isn't the case or what is just so suspicious about Stephen Jones and what he failed to mention when he was doing this analysis. Yeah, I mean, you've made some obviously very key points there. In the book, I describe how I was taken in by this thermite narrative initially for several months, maybe even as long as a year. The light thing, that's a big one and the heat from thermite. For those that don't know, thermite is an incendiary and it's a combination of iron oxide and aluminium powder and then you put in a hot fuse and you ignite it. In fact, I think sparklers that are used on the fireworks, they're a form of thermite and it's very hot. It produces a white or yellow glow, normally yellow. And look at what the World Trade Centre was made of. It was made of steel girders which have iron oxide on them if they've been stood for 30 years in air and the exterior was an aluminium alloy so you have the component for thermite actually as part of the building's construction. So the fact that they claimed to have found unreacted thermite there, well, yeah, they did because that's what the buildings were essentially made of or much of them were. They claimed, oh, you know, it's not that because the thermite was tagged and as you mentioned, they then came out with this nano-thermite narrative and then it was paint on thermite and they just morphed and they're still quoting it. Richard Gage is still going around quoting this disinformation. But yeah, the originator of that thermite story was Stephen E. Jones who was this physicist from Brigham Young University, is this physicist. He was retired on full pay. He took early retirement and they gave him full pay. He made this claim that molten aluminium is silvery in appearance at all temperatures and daylight conditions. That's false, as Dr. Wood showed that from a basic physics perspective. Indeed, if you make aluminium molten, it will be silvery. But then if you continue to heat it up to 1000 degrees, 1200 degrees, 1500 degrees Celsius, it will glow orange just like other metals do as part of the blackbody radiation and it's to do with that. The doctor would show that with her student, Dr. Michael Zebur. And not long after they put that webpage up and Michael Zebur was involved with Dr. Judy Wood and he started a 9-11 truth group on the campus at Clemson University. I think it was a couple of months after that, he was shot and killed in a street mugging in Minnesota. And, you know, Dr. Wood doesn't like to talk about this. Obviously, it was very troubling indeed. There was this curious sort of cryptic email from Jones after this event where they weren't directly referring to that event, but there was something in the email that said that we've done it once and we can do it again. I think it was some posting on the Scholars Forum or something. It was something like this. It was a very strange sort of cryptic email. Jones was also involved in muon-catalyzed cold fusion in the mid-1980s and he was responsible for a panel voting down the funding of the research of two chemists, Martin Fleischman and Stanley Pons, who came up with this cold fusion electrolysis process in 1989. I think it was at the University of Utah and Jones was on a panel and said, after several months and Pons and Fleischman said that we got this anomalous heat out of this experiment. We don't know where it came from and we're getting apparently evidence of nuclear radiation, although they sort of played that down later on. They didn't think it was necessarily a nuclear process. They weren't sure that, at a later point, but it was actually Stephen E. Jones and his colleague Paul Palmer, they coined the phrase cold fusion when it was kind of like a bit of a clumsy phrase to physicists as far as physicists are concerned and it's more accurately called low energy nuclear reactions. What takes place is you get a beaker of what's called heavy water deuterium oxide and you put in a palladium and I think vanadium electrodes into it. Electrolysis means the breakdown by electricity. So, you know, you can do this at home. You should get a nine volt battery and you get two wires. You put those wires into some salt water and connect the wire to the battery and you'll see bubbles of hydrogen coming off. That's electrolysis and the hydrogen is coming out of the water. And their version, Bonds and Fleischmann's are basically a fancy version of that using lithium hydroxide with deuterated water which is the three neutrons in the nucleus and they were getting these weird effects under certain conditions and they didn't get them all the time. This created this great furrow because they've got this excess heat. In other words, they put 100 watts into their experiment, say, it may not have been 100 watts, just a figure from the air and they might get 120 watts of heat coming out of the electrolysis vessel, something like that. And there were big arguments about this and said, oh, you know, this can't be reproduced. But John Bokris, this renowned chemist at Texas A&M University, his team reproduced it and they got tritium. Tritium is this radioactive substance as well. It's a radioactive form of hydrogen and that's a very important sort of fingerprint of these cold fusion experiments. You either get it or you don't. Bokris' team got it in about, I think he said about 10,000 times the normal background concentration that you find just in the environment. This was a real indication there was some type of nuclear process going on in the Pons of Fleischmann experiments in the 1980s. So it's very peculiar when we saw these links. We weren't aware of Jones' work in cold fusion initially. I'd followed cold fusion back in the 1990s, having finished university by then, but I wasn't aware of Stephen E. Jones' role. I wasn't aware of this panel until that I talked about. So Jones was guiding the cold fusion research away from Pons and Fleischmann's experiments essentially, which is essentially the same role he played with Dr. Wood's research in 9-11. He was guiding the 9-11 truth as a way from these energy effects that Dr. Wood had discovered. And the one thing that she did also discover was a bit of research that was tritium was also discovered, I think, in some water that was sampled from the World Trade Center 6. And that was about 50,000 times the normal concentration or 10,000 times. I can't remember all the figures that's in me where the details go book. And so there was clear indication that there was some sort of nuclear process going on during the destruction of the World Trade Center. And my feeling is that this is why they came out with this story of nuclear devices in addition to this thermite story. There was another kind of rogue element saying, no, it wasn't thermite, Mr. Jones. It was Dmitry Karlozov. And he said it was a nuclear bomb and there was nuclear demolition. There were pre-planted nukes, mini-nukes, micro-nukes, neutron bombs. We had several variations. You know, I documented those in my book. It was Ed Ward, an MD, who came out with a nuke theory in 2007. Then we had Jeff Prasier in 2012 saying the same thing. Then we had luckily had Heinz Pomner who's done a different version of it. He did that, I think, in round about 2013, 2014. There's been a couple of others. You know, and this Heinz Pomner, I think he is a scientist. I forget his background. Once I read that about him, I kind of lost interest in what he was saying because I knew it was bogus. But I think that, again, you know, they had to sort of bring in the thermite because they needed to explain this strange light that was seen, an orange light, just before the destruction of the sounds that Jones drew attention to. And Dr. Wood thought that could, again, also be an energy effect. This sort of orange glow could be an energy effect. She talked about these Cheetos in the book, which are like these orange glowing artifacts. so she developed this vocabulary to describe some of these phenomena. But of course, Jones was trying to say it was all the effects of molten metal, you know, and this went on, and on, and on. We had to explain why it wasn't molten metal, which we did. And they even had one picture of these firemen looking down into a hole saying that they were looking into a pool of molten metal caused by this thermite reaction. but as people pointed out, they were bending over this hole and had they really been that close to this 2,000 degree metal, it would have scorched the skin off their faces because they're only like three, four, five feet away from it and looking into it. And then you could see, actually, if you crop this picture and the picture shows that the firefighter has a torch in his back pocket and it's the same color as what they're looking into. So it looks like what they've done is they put a big sort of searchlight down into the hole and they were illuminating in this hole but you couldn't see the torch or the searchlight. You could just see the reflection from it and this was a sort of night shot so that it was, you know, exposed for their faces sort of thing. So that was all a scam. Yes. These are those little details that your books are just great at nailing every one. Like, you catch them at every turn and it does seem like they're just like limited hangout operations. It's like, you can know that the government did this. We're okay with that. You can know that the whole interactions in the Middle East were based on a lie and it was a false flag. We're okay with that. But you cannot discover the secret technology that did this. You cannot come to the doorstep of the breakaway civilization that has this technology and suppresses it. I've said for a long time that the conspiracy community, let's call it, they need to have a lot more focus on this secret energy stuff because that is what is the most dangerous. You can talk about false flags all day. The people actually working in the lab with this stuff, when they uncover something, bad things happen or, you know, good things if you consider getting a lot of money and being told never to talk about it is a good thing. But just to bring Bob up again, so Bob, for people who don't know, he is the founder of the Martin Fleissman Memorial Project. He is a cold fusion researcher and you guys kind of came together. You just told us about Stanley Pons and Martin Fleissman. I had a bunch here from the Wikipedia page, but it describes, yes, the cold fusion they achieved using electrolysis of heavy water, using a palladium electrode, producing excess heat. There's a lot of debate on if it's real or not, but to find out that this Stephen Jones character going back to 1989 was kind of, like you say, distracting away from their work and trying to put people into other intellectual cul-de-sacs or dead ends is so telling that then he reemerges when the technology is used, ding, ding, ding, and is the guy who's getting all the attention to say, it wasn't that, the stuff that I've got on my resume, it was this other stuff. So that is very curious. But that stream that you did with Bob, I think the best line, the best single line summary I took out of that four hours was, quote, Dr. Judy Wood came from an engineering point of view and ended up concluding that 9-11 can be explained by the work of John Hutchinson and Kenneth Shoulders and it also explains cold fusion. I, Bob, came from cold fusion and said 9-11 can be explained by John Hutchinson and Kenneth Shoulders after four years of studying cold fusion. So you come at it or, you know, you and Judy Wood are on one side, he's on the other, but you both came to a conclusion that this is all very related and those two names have been mentioned on the show before, John Hutchinson and Kenneth Shoulders, but for the people who haven't heard those names, give us a little bit more context for who they are and help flesh out that statement if you could. Okay, for sure. And I might mention as well that when Bob and I first met, we met in London, you know, after we sort of established contact via the internet and we went to this sort of pub bar to grab a bite to eat and I got a picture of this. We looked at the menu and on the menu was a 9-11 burger. Ah. It was really strange. It was really weird. Synchronicities. Yeah, exactly. So Bob's done some great work in exposing some of this stuff and he's one of the few people that's brave enough to talk about Dr. Wood's book and I know he's trying to bring it to the attention of some of the scientists that he's been liaising with and many of them he's been liaised with. But going back to your question about John Hutchison, this is one of the more obscure energy sort of topics if you will. Now, John Hutchison, he's a Canadian experimental physicist. He doesn't have any advanced degrees. He's one of these people that seems to have an intuitive feel for doing experiments and he was trying to reproduce the work of Nikola Tesla back in the late 1970s to produce energy effects of some kind like this wireless transmission of power for example is one of the things that Tesla worked on in the 1930s and 1920s. So John was looking at this so he got a lot of old army surplus equipment, radar equipment, microwave generators, this sort of thing and he set up a lab I forget where his initial lab was and then he was sort of setting up an area where he had either a Van de Graaff generator which generates an electrostatic field or a Tesla coil which serves a similar purpose then he was involving microwaves and a magnetic field and he also said that he used a low power radioactive source and then with that mix of energies he was able to create effects such as levitation so he would when he turned the frequency up and down of his microwave generator or his radar equipment and varied the intensity of the electrostatic field or whatever he would see these samples levitating and he would see metal bending but without heat and you'd reach in and took the metal sample and it was cool some samples disappeared now you might say well that's wasn't he making that well he's got hours and hours of film of this and he one time he had 500 pounds of anomalous metal samples and if you did that interview with Bob he may have shown you some of the samples that Bob acquired and tested and he looked at these under a scanning electron microscope and I was there with him when he looked at some of these samples initially and they are very strange and they were tested at the Max Planck Institute in the 1980s as well and John was investigated by the Canadian government back in the 1980s and an MP called Chuck Cook said that his report was classified and he couldn't give a copy to John sorry just to add context to that I actually grabbed that from your website which you know you have a on the menu bar evidence and it's just pages and pages of really interesting documents that anyone who's been in this game for a while would be interested to see and there are a couple maybe two dozen FOIA requests about the Hutchinson effect and they all kind of come back there is no record of this stop asking us about it but then the last one it says that they asked this particular guy you'll have to give me the details in the name because I can't find the image right now but they say we asked him and he said for sure that it doesn't exist he said that this copy was destroyed and then the guy who sent it to you wrote in the margins what like he's basically admitting that report existed at a time not that they don't know anything about the Hutchinson effect so that was very telling I just wanted people to know that I have seen that that you're referencing yeah John was very good at keeping documents he also kept a lot of the videos when the news organizations came to see him and watched these samples levitating and things sometimes he was able to reproduce a bit like the cold fusion you know he was able to get the effects sometimes not others so some people would show up and nothing would happen and just a hoaxy you know and this is what you read on the internet but yeah so he was producing all these effects with samples levitating disappearing melting strange fires and he blogged about this as well and that's how Dr. Wood discovered this because she'd seen these effects listed the ones that I just described on the blog and she said wait a minute I've seen evidence of that within 9-11 evidence from the destruction of the World Trade Center and that's when they established contact now going back to what you're saying about the classification and so forth you know there's a document I was sent by a researcher called Brian or I forget his name it's in my book but he was based in Scotland he was interested in the Hutchison effect which was mentioned in a book called The Electric UFO by Albert Budden and in a chapter called The Poltergeist Machine so the Hutchison effect where these samples are flying around Budden likened it to the effects seen in poltergeist incidents where you have these spirits allegedly levitating tables and making cups and saucers fly around in people's houses and smash against the wall so John Hutchison was visited in 1983 by Colonel John Alexander who was then working for Los Alamos National Laboratories and he worked with John for four months I think it was and saw what he was doing but from what John told us it appears that Colonel John Alexander was already familiar with the sorts of effects that John was producing which of course then indicates that they'd already got some version of that technology that they'd already got maybe some other black ops team or black budget program who was looking at this so he was already familiar with where these effects would occur you know when John mixed together these various forms of energy where the effects would be seen and how they would manifest it seemed that Alexander was familiar with that and in fact John Hutchinson was still friends with Colonel John Alexander he's got a lot of contacts John Hutchinson he's got a lot of contacts in the black world and in military programs he openly admits that we connected with John in 2007 stroke 2008 I think it was early 2008 he then you know had this information given to him by us that said well look you know what happened on 9-11 seems to have something to do with the effects that you generated John and then I think at some point he forwarded that to John Alexander and he sent us back in response and John Alexander just said oh bullshit that was his one word response which of course you know make of that what you will we certainly didn't think it was bullshit and the evidence that we showed was pretty compelling and indeed Dr. Wood told me this story which she retold in an interview we did with Dr. Mike Yeadon a couple of weeks ago that when she found this blog we looked at these effects we bounced the ideas around and then we put it onto a web page on the Dr. Judy website now just insert there actually people are familiar with Dr. Wood's website it's drjudywood.com that is currently not working because the domain name hasn't been renewed anyway if you go to drjudywood.com it's all there I've transferred it to that at the moment so it's drjudywood.com the full drword.com you can get it all there and all this I'm saying is there we put that web page up there I think it was November 2007 and at the time we were still involved with this scholars group and this Jim Thetzer who's an extremely dodgy character I found out she said oh Jim I've got this new page to show you and she said have you got time and oh yeah I've got a couple of hours so yeah I can look at it with you so she sent him this link to the new page that we created which summarized some of these effects that we've and the pictures you know from John Hudson and from the World Trade Center and that page is still on the website by the way if anybody wants to find it and can't find it just email me through check the evidence and I'll send you the link so she sent him this link he said I'm just going down to my computer I'll go down to my computer in the basement and he goes down he rings you back on Skype we were using Skype back then most of the time for all this conversation and he opens the link and he looks at the page because we haven't told him about the Hudson effect and he says I've just got to make a phone call and then he had to go off immediately even though he had a couple of hours so I publicly stated that Jim Fetzer has some connection to the people that did 9-11 he's never denied that and that's a pretty serious sort of statement to make isn't it so it is yeah the waters are very muddy and this is just also interesting so I was blown away by just reading that you have met John Hutchinson yourself well I haven't met him myself Dr. Wood have not me okay I thought you described an interview that I thought you were present at that location as well as her yeah what happened was I went to Washington D.C. in 2008 and I met Dr. Judy there we ended up going into a radio studio there it was Ambrose Lane's radio show in Washington D.C. on the Pacifica network at the time and then John Hutchinson called in and we interviewed him by phone so Judy went to see him when he was up in Vancouver I wasn't on that and then I met Judy but I never met John myself but Bob has Bob spent quite a bit of time Bob Green spent quite a bit of time with John so yeah sorry okay and so I think a lot of people might have seen his videos it was kind of an early internet thing that went really viral and I was super impressed you can find naysayers saying that well he was just dropping things with a reverse mirror camera or they see something they think is a fishing line and he says no that's a wire used to deliver charge to the object that then floats or levitates which is exactly what T. Townsend Brown was doing T. Townsend Brown had these demos of a UFO but they were all attached to a wire he like now all we got to do is get of electricity that's what he's trying to do he's very very close he's obviously being investigated by the military and they kind of accidentally confirmed that that really happened so if he was a hoaxer this would have died a long time ago and I also would say recording something that is a hoax is one thing but being able to talk at length about the science for hours and hours in dozens of interviews is a whole different thing if he dropped a wrench with a mirrored lens and he dropped it and made it look like it was floating he wouldn't be able to talk about the science of that when questioned so I find him to be extremely genuine I haven't got an update on him in a long time is he still around what is he doing yeah still around yeah so Bob went to see him over a year ago now and Bob Greener is doing a book on John Hutchinson he's doing a book about his life he's still around he still posts stuff I know he had his YouTube channel taken down at one point I'm not sure what the reason was but he had hundreds of videos on there what I can say though is that there's another researcher Matthew Estafo who runs this MathEasy Solutions MES is sort of his acronym really he's on Telegram I think a lot what he did was he liaised with John and John sent him all his videotapes it was a 2 terabyte hard drive or something it got off John not videotape I got that wrong and MES has actually cleaned up these videos and he's got very high resolution copies and he's made this 24 minute video so and it's got all these levitation incidences on there about 24 minutes where he highlighted the best bits kind of thing so that's on YouTube and he's done a great job on that and the other thing that's really important in this story is that John submitted an affidavit now the big difference between the Jones and the Gage and the Fetzer camp and Dr. Wood is that we submitted the evidence to court Dr. Wood did I helped a little bit with that so that's why I'm saying we and that was in 2007 she had this key time case which was handled by attorney Jerry Leepart along with Morgan Reynolds and another researcher who was looking at building 7 at the time they submitted this in a court document and then later in 2008 John Hutchison he submitted an affidavit about his own work to back up what Dr. Wood was saying in the energy effect evidence and that all went into court documents and this thermite evidence has never gone into a court document that's been submitted and gone through and read by a judge and they never submitted a request for correction when in fact they did I tell a lie they did mention a request about the destruction of the World Trade Center in 2005 but they didn't mention thermite so Dr. Wood talked all about the energy effects and the evidence of directed energy weapons that was all in her request for correction Jones and co they submitted an RFC and there was no mention of thermite there was a URL which had the word thermite in the URL but that actually referred to some 1996 and of course if they done that that would have been fraud against the US government so that's why they left it out because they would have been committing an offence if they knowingly put that evidence in which was deceptive in that document so that's all in my book and this is what people overlook and the problem is people are not detail oriented and Dr. Wood and myself are very detail oriented a because for Dr. Wood she's a scientist and b because my background is in software engineering and coding and computer programming and you've had one tiny detail wrong in your program it won't work or it won't work at all or it won't work properly and you have to get to the detail to get your program working and fix problems debugging fault finding all of that and I had years of experiencing that so my mind is programmed to work like that I'm going to go after the details I'm going to be pedant I'm going to be annoyingly pedantic that's where the devil is and so many people are just too busy to do this work but if you sit down and read one of your books I've read them both it's like wow this took hours and years and years to put all this together this is really the chronicle of the whole situation and this is another thing I wanted to throw in here but you also had interactions with Simon Shaq the guy behind the 9-11 documentary September clues you even lended him server space at one time well September clues is pretty amazing he kind of popularized the CGI planes idea but he goes on to show that the top 10 or so pieces of 9-11 footage that we see circulated according to him they all came from people who happen to work in computer graphics or media he shows them next to the footage that they have released because there's all these shots like there'll be the one where it's right below and the plane goes overhead well that's something we've all seen there's all these different angles well these their footage that they captured so they have a little bit of their name out there and a little bit of their history out there so I don't know how deep he dug but some examples he gives Devin Clark motion graphics animator for MTV Comedy Central Sean Adair Adair Film and Productions with the tagline consult us in the arcane art of digital media and visual effects interesting Evan Fairbanks works for KSK Studios creative programming solutions for TV interactive and multimedia Lou Cochran Canadian 3D artist and it goes on and on so this would really be interesting if it was true we think about crisis actors a lot more now in certain events than we did back then but I know you've kind of soured on Simon Shag maybe he's a bit of a character but how much stock do you think oh yeah well thanks for bringing that up because it is another sort of twisty turny bit of the cover up really and I was taken in by Simon Shag much as I was taken in by the Jones and the thermite argument and like you say that list that you gave it's quite compelling I must admit I haven't gone through and checked all those names and checked that he's reported on that accurately however I suspect that that is accurate and those people do what he said they did and have done and that's their careers and so forth but that in of itself what does it prove about what we saw with the plain images does it prove that they were CGI now a few of those people are probably just media people that were interested in current affairs you know I think Evan Fairbanks was a videographer so is it really that suspicious that he was taking a film of the events of 9-11 maybe maybe it is was it was it doctored in any way maybe he did somehow doctor the video footage but that footage that he took what did he actually film and from when you look at that angle of what was actually filmed and what did people report here as well and you collate that information a much more confusing picture emerges and I did this study in 2007 and it's kind of I say it's really the only original bit of 9-11 research that I personally had done I mean it is really I mean Dr. Wood did all the research in the book and Morgan Menel did most of the research on the plane crashes and stuff but what I did was I took these 500 accounts which were published on the New York Times website from the first responders so these were firemen and emergency medical technicians they were on the scene on the ground you know when the stuff was coming down and the events were unfolding and I wanted to find out how many of them had actually seen a plane and how many had heard a plane and I went through these accounts with a tool a grep tool to find where they talked about a plane and I found out where they were they said oh we're on West Street or on Vizley Street or whatever and I wrote this all down you know it took a few days I think it took about a week or something and I made all these figures and out of 117 people I think only 20% saw a plane only 20% saw a plane and a few of them said well I didn't know that planes were involved in this or two or three said I didn't know that planes were involved in this until I saw it on the news when I got home which is really peculiar and then some of them did report seeing a plane some of them said they didn't hear anything and one guy said he was stood under the fireball looking up and they heard no sound I think they're carrying something they look up and this fireball they heard no sound so how do you count for this yeah it's stranger than people remember for sure one other thing I wanted to throw out is this idea of levitation like on 9-11 so obviously if it relates to John Hutchinson's work and his main thing is levitating metal well there's a slide in that presentation with Bob where you showed several cars that are overturned in the wreckage and no one really thinks to ask why the cars would be upside down you think a car could be smashed we'll go to that next because that's a very important point and that was one of the key things that Dr. Wood came up with when she was studying the Hutchinson effect but I just want to say a little bit more about the plane story the Simon Shaq stuff so when you look at these accounts what did people actually see did they see a plane was there a plane really there and some people did report seeing a plane they described it quite accurately and if these planes were inserted by CGI as Simon Shaq claims into the news broadcasts then we didn't think that if you filmed these planes from different angles they would all line up because it would almost be an impossible task to do CGI which worked from all the angles that 9-11 was filmed from I think there were 56 videos that have the second impact flight 175 in them and Richard D Hall did a study in 2012 where he took I think 26 of these videos which was filmed from like I don't know 26 different angles around the World Trade Center and he overlaid them onto a 3D Google SketchUp model and he's done this you can find this on Richard Planet website and all these videos pretty much matched perfectly right so if it was CGI then it was some sort of amazing CGI that they must have done in 3D from all these independent people some of them were news broadcasts CBS whoever fought but there were some people with video cameras in their apartment who started to film the events after the first fireball appeared and so it turns out that this was a perfect match and then for example Simon Shaq claimed that all the video evidence of 9-11 was fake and he claimed that Judy Wood's book was unreliable because all she relied on was video evidence and that of course is a lie she doesn't rely on video evidence alone yes she uses some of that but she listened to witness testimony she looked at seismic records she looked at 40,000 photographs not just of people either she looked at witness accounts she looked at weather data which we haven't talked about you may have talked about with Dr. Wood so Simon Shaq lied he lied about this if you're interested in the truth of 9-11 why would you lie about something like that why would you lie about Dr. Judy Wood's book and so I became very troubled by this and so that's when I became suspicious of Simon Shaq that he was again presenting a false story and then I think from there we can just go to Mark Conlon's research he runs a blog called 9-11 planes research on Substack he's documented many anomalies with the plane stories and Simon Shaq's research in particular and I reposted a couple of Mark's articles on my website so without going into all that in great depth it looks like Simon Shaq with another version of Steve Nee Jones he came out with an alternative plausible narrative which disagreed with the government narrative but it was itself untrue and we concluded overall that they used some sort of image projection technology and that again is they were protecting the technology so the planes weren't real planes they had the appearance of real planes and they were something which appeared in the sky that many people could see this image projection technology is not perfect so if you were stood in a certain place you may see a slightly different thing which accounts for the difference perhaps and some people say in a bright plane some sort of dark plane some people seem to see different markings on the plane talking about flight 175 so we have concluded that it was some sort of image projection technology that was used a hologram if you will and that's certainly borne out by Dr. Wood's observation that 846 that's when the first hole appeared in World Trade Center number one I think 846 that's when this dip in the earth's magnetic field was at a minimum and that appears to be this discharge so we think that the holes in the towers were created by another usage of the directed energy in some other mode of operation and then they used this image projection technology and that's what they're protecting and I've made this argument not Dr. Wood that if you look at what's been happening with all the UFO disclosure over the last few years you know they're now trying to get rid of the ridicule factor and make it a more serious topic and there's even been comments made that it's a threat to aircraft air safety well let's just say for example you want to create the next 9-11 as it were but what it is suddenly a flying saucer appears over the Burj Khalifa and blows it apart as in Independence Day the film in 1994 that's essentially the same scenario as 9-11 but all you do is instead of projecting the image of a plane you project the image of a flying saucer over the building and then you destroy it with the same technology that they destroyed the world creation and you've got your fake alien invasion you know that that's what I've argued I argued that and I showed the side-by-side comparison from Independence Day in the World Trade Center and the only thing that's different is Independence Day they've got a flying saucer over the Empire State Building and in the World Trade Center they just got a plane which crashed a half an hour earlier or whatever and it's the same it looks the same you know or very similar not the same obviously that's what they wanted the option to do you know and there's other things about that Project Bluebeam is what this is sometimes you've probably come across that and Mark Conlon did a bit of research into that it's not Bluebeam I haven't done much research into myself so Simon Shack he has connections to the Bin Laden family as well or his brother does oh my god yeah well yeah that's a fake name Simon Shack obviously is a pseudonym yeah there you go you dig deep you find it all so with the planes yeah we know that the buildings did not fall because of the planes so the planes to me is somewhat irrelevant but you also have a curiosity is like well what happened we know the hole in the ground where Flight 93 landed looks like nothing we know the hole in the in the Pentagon looks like nothing or a missile it doesn't look like a plane so there's also there were all these claims about the plane literally could not make this maneuver without breaking apart in the air this corkscrew maneuver this guy who was trained definitely didn't have the expertise to do the maneuver so there were a lot of questions about how could these actual planes hit these buildings in this way these ways and yeah they're unanswered questions but to say that they were an actual test case of Project Bluebeam of like a real hologram in the sky used that's a bold claim I'm not discounting it or anything it's just a bold claim and when you rewatch the footage and you're not in an emotional state and you watch the planes enter the building they do kind of just like melt into it like you would think a hologram would this is why people say CGI because that's a technology we know but here's a technology we don't know it's like yeah that is the thermite of the situation it's like well this is kind of close there's a close parallels yeah yeah exactly oh man and I want to try to slide in the the levitation stuff because I mentioned it you know this show does have a free and plus split at the hour which is a bit about where we are but because of the John Hutchinson effect and levitation you then look at some of the evidence on 9-11 you see these overturned cars that don't make much sense and then you know it also ties into crop circles we'll get into this deeper later but there's people who say that when they visit crop circles to investigate them they feel a levitation effect including Freddie Silva who is a previous guest of mine I don't think we talked about that at the time but I consider him credible so there's connective tissue here there is an alternative physics and it is connected to a range of phenomenon and 9-11 is one major example and there are others but talk to us a little bit about levitation involved on 9-11 sure so you know the most prominent account really is that of David Hansher who is the photographer for the New York Daily News and he gives this account in an interview with Charlie Rose from October 2001 so only a few weeks after the event he had a broken leg at the time and he was taking photographs there on the scene and then I think it was as Tower One was you know coming apart he describes being levitated and carried a block and he says he held on to his camera he lost his cell phone he lost his pager but held on to his camera and he was carried a block by this sort of like gravel he said it was so he was caught up in the dust cloud so there was that account and then there was the account of another guy that I haven't got his name and he said he was picked up physically and thrown against a wall and then people say oh well Andrew you know no that's just from the thermite you know it's you've got all this material coming down you get this this air you know just blows you away like a tornado but the problem with that is if you look at some of the trees which were in the path of this dust the leaves are still on the trees and the trees are not flattened and there's not much evidence of a strong breeze so that takes away this idea that a strong breeze could have levitated the people or indeed as you mentioned there flipped over these cars and there's even a fire truck with the tires pointing upwards in one of the pictures that you can see in the background so it wasn't just one there were there were several cars which were levitated and flipped over the picture that stuck in my mind the most initially was the police car which was like over on its side what the hell is that about so the only way is that this again ties in with the Hudson effect where he's seeing how things flip it over you know and it was on a much larger scale on 9-11 watch on Hudson that's the way we saw it was pretty simple to us yeah I think that's just so impressive and you share a lot of information on a wide range of figures in alternative media and the 9-11 truth movement like we mentioned that seem to be plans to keep this secret you give a lot of great examples where they intentionally cover this up a great example from your book is architects and engineers for 9-11 truth you got a letter from one of their donors who simply asked to have Richard Gage presented with Dr. Judy Wood's work to get them to have a conversation and to have him comment on it and this guy was removed from the donor list and his money returned to him but it goes a lot deeper than that I mean this is one example but it just seems like it's almost a honeypot type operation to gather the names and information of those interested in the false flag idea and then to segment them again those who are actually interested in Dr. Judy Wood's work and then remove them from the movement. Absolutely and you know you can you can see that in their vetting guidelines I mean there was a guy that wrote a book about his involvement with the architects and engineers group and I quote from that book it was available for a time as a free PDF and he includes a page of vetting guidelines so he was unhappy with how this group was operating that's why he left he reproduced the architects and engineers for 9-11 truth guidelines from about 2012 they may have changed since then for all I know and on that page which I reproduce in my book they have these vetting guidelines to say well you know when somebody applies to join the 9-11 IA 9-11 group this volunteer vetting person needs to go onto the search engine search for the person's email address along with keywords such as UFO Zionism reptilian a few other things that are listed in this vetting guidelines thing and then there's only one person named in the whole of human history that they should vet for you know in this vetting guidelines and the only person in the whole of human history that's named as a keyword or two keywords to be searched for in association with somebody's email address that they're blocked from the group is of course Judy Wood and that's explicitly in their vetting guidelines so that right there to me tells you what that organization is for it is to cover up the research of Dr. Judy Wood that's its sole purpose and that is also borne out by the fact that the website domain name was AE911truth was created around the time Dr. Wood submitted her key term action and that was the time really where the scholars group had started to run out of steam so they need to reinvent it as something else which was the architect group and I confronted Richard Gage who described Dr. Wood's book she said of her book if she's going to write a book like that she is not practicing science she is practicing witchcraft he actually said that in an interview with Ralph Winterhoof and I got the audio of that and I you know I confronted him with that in 2023 when I was invited onto a panel by Elsa Scheider of the Truth Summit and he just kind of he said no I didn't say that no I didn't say that that's just a poor-faced lie you know right so what can you do with that nothing really and I just wanted to go back to Stephen E Jones a bit because I have this information but in terms of his bio he worked for a contractor for Los Alamos lab I think is technically correct yes he worked for Los Alamos as well okay he earned his bachelor's degree in physics magna cum laude from Brigham Young University in 73 and his PhD in physics from Vanderbilt University in 78 from 74 to 77 he conducted his PhD research at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center and postdoctoral research at Cornell University and the Los Alamos Mensen physics facility in December 2005 Jones was a founding member of Scholars for 9-11 Truth also in 2006 Jones became a founding member of Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth and an editor of the journal of 9-11 Studies so it's not a large group of people we think about these organizations especially architects and engineers and we think about oh thousands of architects and engineers have said those planes didn't take down those buildings that's probably true like that's factually true but they don't go deeper into like well then what did they might not necessarily know but this group is perpetuating a certain hypothesis or a certain narrative and they're using the credibility of all these professionals to do it a lot of great information I know that you got to get out of here I can't believe I had a guy on for two hours who's open to the hollow earth and we didn't even talk about it even though that's one of my things that I love to talk about well we can do that another time if you want I hope so so this is the last one I want to ask you to kind of stick the landing here you've got great work covering crop circles 9-11 fake terror events aliens and UFOs and alternative energy but there is a subject that I think sits right in the middle of all those things and I've seen you mention it with a sentence or two here there but not to the degree that I suspect it's involved and that is the occult what do you think yeah absolutely I mean I know I haven't I don't feel like I can talk to that and it's one of those areas where there's quite a lot of conflicting information but it's definitely a real thing and I think it again it's to do with manipulating the underlying fabric of reality I mean I'm going to touch on that a little bit in my upcoming book on consciousness but you know you cannot ignore things like the numerology and I tell people about the numerology of the terrors and even in my own life as well my birthday is 22-11 I was born exactly a year to the day after the death of Kennedy my name is Andrew Johnson he was a president after Lincoln wasn't he Andrew Johnson another assassination yeah you know and then the World Trade Center towers we've got a hundred and ten stories a hundred and eleven if you count the top floor it looks like an eleven it happened on 9-11 9-11 was that happened in the year first year of the new millennium which was 2001 which is the Stanley Kubrick film the Millennium Hotel that the shape of that was based on the monolith in the 2001 film what's going on folks you know and there's another good synchronicity that somebody told me about which kind of blew my mind was this record that was released in July 2001 a group called you're not going to believe this I am the World Trade Center oh that this is new to me and on an album which was called out of the loop if you look at the 11th track on the CD it's called September oh man yeah I thought you were going to refer to that super tramp oh yeah there's that one as well that's in the book I put that in the book yes for people who haven't heard that that is just where the album cover is from the inside of a plane and the server is holding up a tray and outside the window you see the the twin towers but yeah sorry the the name of the band is I am the twin so right there you've got the name of the place and you've got the date all encoded on the album which was released in July 2001 and you can go and check it out on Discogs right there's just no limit to my fascination with those synchs between pop culture and real world events it's always something conspiratorial I think the occult is really there I would urge you with your mind and the research you've done especially given your interest in the aliens thing find someone you trust do five dried grams of mushrooms or have a little salvia devonorum go on that journey and when you talk to beans and you're your internal monologue is still intact and you have an experience with other intelligences and your own living room you'll be like I think this is what the alien thing is all about abductions it's got to be closer to this than beans from Mars to be fair I do write a little bit about that in the acknowledged book and I talk about how the alien abduction experiences are like shamanic experiences I do mention that okay I'm gonna read that one I haven't read that one but I'm going to and hopefully we can do this again we'll see uh the kind of response we get but I think you're going to be happy but this has been super enjoyable anyone who wants to get sucked into all sorts of stuff should spend some time on checktheevidence.com I never knew about your website but you never stopped loading it up with amazing stuff and uh it's all there so I would just urge anyone to go even on just the evidence page of all the pdfs really good stuff but they're all free by the way so all the books are free in electronic format yes another service to humanity so I hope give them the old pitch you know why we do these interviews I don't know if you have anything else to promote besides the books and the website but let them know what you're working on next all that good stuff thank you very much for the opportunity yeah so you'll say all the books are free download you can get the paperbacks on amazon as well or kindle versions are all there I even did the kindle audio synthesis thing so you can download the kindle audio thing I don't know how good it is I think that's like $1.99 $1.99 or something and I get a few quid off that you know so I don't need the money I don't I don't you know I'm financially I'm quite solvent and everything I'm coming up for retirement probably the next few years having worked all my life they didn't want to know that but there it is so I have a youtube channel check the evidence I post updates on there just saying what I've been looking at but like you say what you referred to Richard D. Hall any updates with him because he's in a bit of a bad situation and he's a good friend and a lot of people know him that's on the youtube channel as well about about once a month something like that I'm very sporadic I don't have a set time table I have an email list to check the evidence as well which is free to join and I post updates on that about once a month or something anything that crops up that's interesting related to what we Greg and I have been talking about and I'm working on this book on consciousness trying to get it finished and maybe I'll get it finished in the next six months who knows if I'm lucky amazing well good luck on that and hopefully we can talk about it when it does come out but uh Andrew real pleasure he's one of us people just a regular guy humble doing the hard work to try to get to the truth and uh if it goes to some taboo areas that's okay if he has to call out some people that's fine you know the truth is the truth uh so I appreciate your boldness and thank you for doing this I know you got to get out of here but take care thank you very much Greg thank you indeed and all the best for the festive season and everything uh thank you you too all right party people first interview of the year coming in hot this is one I've been excited to get out there since I stumbled upon Andrew and his stuff I told you the tale and it really was kind of six degrees of Judy Wood here but I've always really loved her book and when you get all those secondary questions out of your head like what could do this how could they pull it off who even has the technical knowledge as well as the moral ambiguity to actually do it wasn't it risky having zero known examples of this technology used at such a scale yeah I know a lot of questions and that's not even bringing up the questions that remain about the planes but if you can get all that out of your head for a minute and just examine the detailed evidence and consider very plainly does a controlled demolition fit with this evidence no it does not does nanothermite or an incendiary reaction explain this evidence again it does not and then you're left with not much else besides the directed energy field effect cold fusion suppressed alternative technology perspective and then you have to go back and wrestle with those other questions I guess and when I have brought this up before some people have said it's not that complicated dude people heard bombs in the basement that's it Occam's razor well number one you have to actually say that those were individuals interviewed by reporters on the scene and they say they heard bombs but we know some of those man on the street eyewitness statements are scripted not all but some it leaves an asterisk on the authenticity of any claim that you get through that I would say you can't rely solely on those eyewitness accounts but yet you know what else do we have but if we assume those reports to be true basements and lower levels are where all the pipes and air conditioning units and water heater tanks and water heater tanks and all that stuff are stored if you put all that big industrial equipment in a microwave would you get explosions of course you would that doesn't mean bombs were planted and another thing is if you see those clips where it looks like squibs or bombs are going off on other floors throughout the building their microwave field effect explains that too because those pieces of equipment are all throughout and also the people jumping out of the windows when they really should have some hope left you could still try and sit tight for a rescue if you're 10 20 floors away from the devastation but if you're in a microwave field capable of dustifying those buildings and you feel like your skin is on fire and you're burning from the inside out then you beg for a quick death and you jump as quickly as you can sorry to say and I won't go down the whole list but those are just a couple of added things we didn't even talk about that make more sense when you come at it from the Dr. Judy Wood Andrew Johnson perspective so I actually like this one a whole lot and I went back to our old THC editor Justin to clean this one up for me up until the time frame of the studio THC episodes in the long history have only really been edited by three people myself my wife when I was really broke and Justin I think he did a great job I think he put a little more love into it than we've had lately because he is a fan of this stuff as well and I hope it was noticed but there were a couple things I don't think we actually included in terms of some of the reference material I had maybe I'm wrong but here is the response to the FOIA request for any Hutchinson effect stuff from the military that we talked about somewhere in this episode I'll just read the important parts for you so you know that we can scratch any concerns about this stuff being fake off so it says as per the subject matter requested at the time a report was written by John Rink and Robert Freeman both Los Alamos National Laboratory employees to the best of his recollection Mr. Alexander advised that a copy of that report is no longer available at Los Alamos Mr. Alexander states he knows for certain the army's copy also no longer exists in closing Mr. Alexander advised that Mr. Hutchinson is still in Vancouver and that he corresponds with Mr. Hutchinson periodically very interesting so no you can't have the report yes there was a report I just find that to be really damn interesting and about as close to a smoking gun that John Hutchinson was never just using strings and wires and camera tricks as we're going to get also as for the very bizarre idea that people at ground zero on 9-11 claimed to feel a levitation effect I also have a little bit of a visual about that I say visual but it's really just a slide from Andrew's presentation that I can read but he has one report from a Michael Mako who says I realized I couldn't get out from under the collapse I dove under an ESU truck that was facing north on the west side of West Street I dove under that and waited for the building to come down when the building did come down I actually thought I was trapped and the truck was blown off me pushed from me I guess at that point I was just really shocked and didn't know what was going on at that point I didn't know I was just really really shocked yeah you're under the wreckage of a giant building you would think you'd be dead but for some reason the truck was missing and he was okay and then there's another report from Renee Davila and she says while we're walking I realized that we only had two people I see my vehicle the seats are covered I've still got my bag I hold it like a trophy like people collect basketballs I don't get that analogy but she says I haven't touched whatever the force was it was so strong that it went inside of the bag I mean what the hell where are the people investigating those claims so yes I'm just way more intrigued by this thread and the technology used than really any other approach to 9-11 and I think this is one of the best interviews I've done in a while the second hour for plus people is even better in that portion we got into parallels to containment of COVID truth with similar limited hangout levels in this situation we got into Ken Shoulder's work and EVOs SAIC that's a rabbit hole I love to get into Brian De Palma and his free energy devices and Richard D Hall friend of Andrews and the Manchester arena event as a false flag and what Richard is going through with all that great stuff lots about controlled opposition too and I know it's always good to be cautious with those sorts of claims it's really easy to get sucked into a pattern of thinking that I know X to be true so if a person disagrees with X well then they're controlled opposition no matter what else they say some researchers are genuinely just going to think it's Y and not X and be that as it may giving grace for those people there are also figures injected into the alternative community to steer people away from certain conclusions and towards others just another muddy waters thing we have to navigate like Andrew has a big disclaimer on his website for example in the FAQ where he says if your question for him is hey have you looked into flat earth theories or ideas or videos his response is if you've been fooled into thinking the earth is flat because NASA faked the moon landings and that it hides data and doctors photos please read this article and link and do not write to me instead just study astronomy trigonometry and navigation and you will realize you've been fooled some people right there are going to have a lot of questions about Andrew the people who are flat earthers are going to say see he's a gatekeeper for the flat earth truth it just never ends this sort of thinking but he's not really you know you can look at his resume he's not out there doing the rounds he's not getting big publisher deals he's doing his own thing in a very quiet corner of the internet and I sought him out myself for this but there's a lot of plain gotcha and to use Adam Curry's term spot the spook in all of this but on the issue of alternative energy devices I think that is a big enough deal to seed plants for within the community and you can tell a lot about a public figure in this space by how they digest Dr. Judy Wood's work and I appreciate all the detailed record keeping that Andrew has done on that and now we're able to know exactly what some of those figures have said and when love Andrew check out his website check the evidence dot com for a lot of other good stuff in higher side news we are off to the races with the new multifaceted format I know that the first book report probably wasn't anyone's first choice but it was Nobody's Girl the Virginia Goufray memoir my recording of that was almost four hours long truly insane and then I had to edit it I had to cut it down to what ended up being the best 90 minutes honestly it is a book that gives important context but it is not very well written it is so wordy and full of extra exposition and I don't even put that on Virginia I put that on the ghostwriter but for those lengthy sections that I read I went back and even just cut out the unnecessary sentences or summarized some of those pages and I think it turned out fine it wasn't the rush of plus subs that previous solo shows were but still higher than your average interview release so the signal is still pretty clear but now that I got that one out of the way it really is just what I want to be doing and that means staying pretty far outside of the trendy stuff that is getting a bit tiring right when it comes to the rating of that presentation the plus people were pretty kind to me they gave it a 4.7 I know that's a little bit high and people just don't want to hurt my feelings or turn me off from doing these things I think but I have thicker skin than you might assume and the next two I have in mind are truly interesting and unexpected one will be free and one will be plus I'm still working out exactly how to do that we're flying by the seat of our pants here I assume plus people don't care how it's split as long as they get 5 new hours of paid stuff and a total of 10 hours and they're just generally are entertained and captivated by what it is I don't think they care beyond that I might ultimately only give free people a trailer I just don't know people have to remember when you're not playing the ad revenue game everything's different all the incentives are different and so few people in my position do it this way that I don't even have very good examples to go by or assess so that's all just to say that I think plus is about to get much more interesting and valuable for people who like what I do and I hope you take the leap and engage with one of the few shows that isn't just padding for serving you ads because the ads are just getting worse all the time I was just listening to something about how now that they've got everyone using chat GTP and AI for their inquiries and searches now those results are going to be paid just like Google results but it's more hidden because it's delivered in a conversational format so advertisers will be able to purchase access to being included in those AI generated responses and just on principle I hate all that shit and I just wish more stuff existed and thrived on a very direct reciprocal relationship with whatever audience there is for it anyway you've heard that rant before let's also get to the plus review from the last interview I did which was Professor Jiang's return and again we have a 4.7 love it now this one was earned the comments were much more mixed than I expected some people don't like this particular narrative or this thread of research but so many people give me shit for not doing enough on the Jews or I guess aspects of the story that include them so I expected this to be more universally liked because I think this is a more nuanced specific approach to a certain thread within Judaism you know Kabbalistic Jewish mysticism and inversion I don't know questions do still remain for me though as to how influential this particular strand of Sabbatean Frankism is within circles of power today but I still put it in the box of things worth folding into one's general assessment but that is about it I've been rambling for a while treat yourself to THC plus and get twice as much if you haven't already here come the meetup calendar events all right January 10th just a few days from now a new one Pechogi New York I don't know how to say that at the art space Pechogi lofts check it out if you know you know then we got January 10th also the Raleigh Brewing Company in Raleigh North Carolina January 12th Rosedale Albany Auckland New Zealand at Bar Savannah January 16th Michigan City Indiana at Burn M Brewing and January 17th Brentwood California another new one January 18th Straunton Virginia at Hometown Grill and Buffet gotta love a buffet January 22nd the San Paulo Brazil meetup at a restaurant and bar in San Paulo Brazil get into it if you are local there February 6th a quartal virtual meetup now it seems like these quartal meetups are going to be monthly and I don't really want to kick them off the calendar but that is not really what the calendar is for that's kind of a little bit too promotion heavy for a certain thing and also is not a physical meetup so I don't know we'll see how many of those start flooding the calendar then we also have Stroke on Trent United Kingdom on February 14th at the U-Tree Inn moving on San Jose California March 7th the Rosicrucian Park greet and meet okay Rosicrucian Park interesting to know there is a Rosicrucian Park in San Jose but it does seem like a good interesting place for THC fans to meet up as long as you're not having to fill out membership applications right anyway good to see the calendar getting used get in there higher side meetups dot com make events engage in building community socialize in the real world what are we here for and that's going to be it hope you enjoyed this interview and liked that it was something probably a little off your radar take care of you and yours I've done my part your move cold fusion concealers hidden tech hiders and breakaway civilization directed energy weapon wielders your fucking move once I found a smoking gun you saw it once someone returned my money but it stolen my twice I was but I didn't get shy I've been drinking from a cup that's always bone dry you can still make out this what goes deeper than greed broke a mirror right before the best seven years of my life I cross the street and look both ways and I'm still gonna die half-mast whenever it's my birthday I notice when you leave you can still make out Alice what goes deeper than greed how can it be too deep I don't like to cause confusion if you know what I mean I've seen the sun shine brightest on the darkest of days a rich man once told me that's when the best deals are made you can still make out the web when the spider's not seen you can connect the dots just draw some lines in between when you can smell the higher side chat first the the on the side the the the first the the the the the