Bonus: Tic-Tac witness Roundtable (Kevin Day, Gary Voorhis, PJ Hughes)

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Only available with TurboTax experts. Real-time updates only in iOS mobile app. This is David Marler, UFO researcher, and you're listening to That UFO Podcast. Hi everyone, and welcome back to That UFO Podcast. My name is Andy, and I'm dropping a bonus show for you this weekend. This is one I think many of you won't have heard. It's five years old, so the podcast at the time had only been going a couple of months, but it's very, very relevant, and I'm dropping it this weekend for a reason. It's from Gary Voorhees, Kevin Day, and P.J. Hughes, and those were three witnesses to the Tic Tac event from the Nimitz Princeton, November 2004, now very famous incident. We talked about the West Coast entity that tracked the Tic Tacs at the time. We talked, was this U.S. testing new technology? We talked about the incident changing the conversation, the nuclear aspect to things, and given the big conversation right now is really about Ross Coulter coming out discussing the Tic Tacs being Lockheed Martin technology. Representative Eric Burleson saying he's seen similar. We've also heard, though, Jesse Michaels mention that he has heard from David Fravor, Commander Dave Fravor, who was a pilot involved in the incident with the Tic Tac, who is saying categorically this cannot be our technology. I think it's a great time to go back and revisit what's a very early iteration of the show. I've cleaned up the audio a little bit as well, folks. It was a roundtable with three people and myself, but I think you'll get to hear some conversation from the time. Things like the UEP task force are mentioned and whatnot, but you're going to hear three different perspectives from folks all involved in the Tic Tac event with different expertise and skills as well. So I'd be really interested. Listen to this over the weekend, bit of a bonus content. Part two of the breakdown is out. If you're not signed up to the paid feeds, you'll hear that on Monday. But in the meantime, yeah, I think it's a really good time to check out some of the old Tic Tac stuff. And I'd be really intrigued to hear your thoughts on this one and maybe how things have aged. And indeed, does listening to Gary, Kevin and PJ change any of your opinion on what's been said over the last couple of weeks? Please get in touch with the show, as always. Email or ideally use the contact form on thatufopodcast.com. But anyway, let's head over to the show, folks. Well, who we do have on the show with us today, we have Gary Voorhees, who you will remember was the first ever guest on that UFO podcast, which seems a lifetime ago now, but it's just coming up four months now. And he is the vice president of UAPX. We have Kevin Day, who is the president of UAPX, and Patrick Hughes, who is the director of information technology, if I've got that all correct. I'd like to say welcome and good afternoon to all you gents. Gary, first of all, how are you doing? Good afternoon. Hey, thanks for having us on. Thank you for the opportunity to be here. No, thank all of you for your time as well. So it's great to speak to you. So the format, what we're going to do for the listeners, is start off with each of you introducing yourselves and a little bit about the role you played in the now infamous events of November 2004. You might have done some other interesting things that month, but I'm sure the main thing was your activities on the Nimitz carrier group. We're then going to move on to discuss a few different things off the back of that, how things have progressed and changed over the last decade and a half, not to age anyone on here, but it is now getting on to 16 years. And then obviously from there, we've got some questions on UAPX and a lot of listener questions that will make up the bulk of the show as well. If we could start off, Gary, yourself, if you want to just introduce yourself, your background, and what your kind of role was in the events of 2004. All right. Well, my name is Gary Voorhees, Jr. I was an Aegis computer technician at the time, a junior personnel. I was the one that actually operated and maintained all the Aegis weapons system, all of the mainframe computers that ran that system, and the consoles that operated in CIC. CIC is Combat Information Center, for those who didn't know. That's when you're looking in the movies, all those big screens that you're looking at. We took care of all those. And, of course, the story has been beaten to a crisp, so we'll just sum it up into, you know, we tracked unknown aircraft for, you know, right around seven days back in 2004. And it's now become pretty renowned since the United States government military has basically admitted that what we saw was real. It certainly was. Thanks for that little summary. PJ, Patrick Hughes, if you want to just introduce yourself, as I've kind of done for you anyway, and tell the listeners a little bit about you. Sounds good. My name is Patrick, or PJ. I answer just about anything. I was an avionics technician way back when, when all this happened. And while I wasn't special like Gary or Kevin, my so-called claim to fame, as some people call it, is a couple of U.S. Air Force guys showed up on my ship, knocked on my door with my executive officer, and took a whole bunch of my classified stuff and left. And I'm going to go ahead and counteract the fact that he says he's not special. It does take a unique person to be able to be at that level of technician in the Navy because there's a lot of education and a lot of schooling, and not everybody makes it through that type of school. So, I mean, we're not talking SEALs here, but we're talking, you know, it's still pretty hardcore to go through a lot of that training. Yeah, PJ wasn't fixing SEALs for anyone who's interested in the technology that he was working with. Actually, they were hypersonic SEALs. I was just informed that on my own feed. Yeah, my apologies. And lastly, but not least, Kevin, if you want to introduce yourself to the listeners too, please. Yeah, I'm Kevin Day, 2004. It was actually my last ship on the press. It was actually my last underway, too, believe it or not, when this happened. When I went down, I had 18 years sea time sitting behind that SPY-1 radar system on the age. This was my third age ship. I am a Top Gun graduate. Went through Top Gun in 1998. And I was an anti-air warfare coordinator on the ship. It was basically just the guy that launches the missiles, if we ever had to, in a time of war, or even for an exercise. And I agree, man. These objects, whatever the hell they were, they acted as if they were alive, like some super capable black bird, is how I like to describe it. They were sentient, and they were aware, and they were apparently pre-cognitive as well, because they seemed to go in directions in ways that just kind of seemed like they were reading the pilots' minds, if you will. It was a very, very, very strange encounter, to say the least. Very, very strange, but obviously now very, very famous. And folks, if you want to hear the detail behind the encounter, there are now numerous documentaries, numerous shows. There are the Nimitz encounters on YouTube, where you can see Kevin, PJ, and Gary all being interviewed. Gary's been interviewed on my own show in the very first episode. The story is now infamous, and obviously Unidentified has been a massive smash hit now. The second season finishes as we're recording this this evening, and I've been lucky enough to see the final episode as well. And it certainly does end on a bombshell. It lasts one minute and 40 seconds, if anyone else has seen it by now when this gets released. I won't spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen it. What I do want to get straight into talking about those speaking of bombshells. Patrick, PJ, on Twitter, you recently dropped a bit of a bombshell, and you added to the story. And like Gary had said before, this has been beaten to a crisp, and this is something that just doesn't seem to go away. However, you added to the story that a West Coast land-based entity, and you know what the wording's like on UFO Twitter. People will jump on the slightest thing, as you find out. But you said, so a West Coast land-based entity was tied to your battle group, and if what they saw was released, it would back up what you guys were saying all along. So what is it that you guys have been saying all along, PJ? What are they backing up if they released? I mean, essentially, all the tracks that Kevin saw, all the maneuvers Kevin saw, all the stuff Gary saw, all the stuff the Hawkeyes saw, there was an outside group. And the only person who's figured it out is Gary, although he only partially figured it out. No, I know exactly what you're talking about. That's just the only non-classified thing I could find about that particular place. Gary knows. So listen, the word classified and non-classified is probably going to come up a few times here. What can you talk about then regarding this, just to elaborate on it a bit? Because PJ opened up a bit of a thread on your Twitter feed, and people really wanted to know. So what can you talk about dancing around the classified nature of things? I mean, there's a whole bunch of stuff up and down the West Coast from, you know, upper Washington down to San Diego, all for various reasons to various stuff, various. There just happened to be one spot that the Hawkeyes worked with routinely. I'm sure Gary, whether or not he realized it, has dealt with them before. But I happen to know one of the individuals there because they did work with our Hawkeyes. And I've talked to him on and off over the years. And I had recently shared Dave Beatty's documentary with him just because I knew he was around and he was there. And all of a sudden, he's like, hey, I know stuff about this. And he starts telling me. We had a lengthy off-the-record conversation, so I can't say everything he said. But they saw all the same stuff. Their systems and their sensors were able to track the same stuff that the Spy One did. The same crazy maneuvers that Kevin saw. Yeah, I didn't know that. You know, all of it. You know, I don't know if they have recordings of it. I don't know what was made of it. But they saw it, you know. And they are completely separate from the battle group. So it's not like they were seeing our information. They were seeing anything we were sharing. They were seeing it on their phone gear. And they were at a fair distance from where we were. Okay. So in my mind, and I'm not saying this is what it was, but my knowledge of the West Coast of America is very limited. I just know they have one, okay, and an East Coast. So I'm imagining something like some kind of missile defense building or let's just say like a NASA office that's just tracking all sorts of things that they might be tracking. And what you're saying is these guys have whatever systems that picked up the same contacts that, you know, Gary picked up, that Kevin picked up, and that eventually kind of had a bit of a play with the carrier group over the course of, you know, a week. Is that right? Correct. And did they pick up? The system that he was talking about, you know, after World War II and, you know, us being surprise attacked, that was kind of the system that they went all up and down on the coast. I think he's talking about our missile defense system, which then tracks pretty much a fair distance out from all borders and all territories that we control. It would have definitely have picked up the same things that we were. Plus, I'm pretty sure a lot of those systems are now tied into the CEC systems too, so. One thing that did come across in the questions that I'll get to later on was the military language that some of the people have been using. And I can only pretend to understand fully the questions that you guys will get to later on as well. But something that was kind of jumped on was that you had to state, PJ, that the entity had no control or association with the object because one of the things, and I'll address this, I think, to Kevin, given how much you saw and you talked about the way these objects behaved, a lot of people now are starting to wonder, especially with some of the recent journalists and investigative journalists online, are these objects actually man-made? And there are people coming out saying this was potentially Air Force that were covering this up. This has been something that the U.S. government themselves have basically put out there to test its own armed forces against. What would you say to that, given what you experienced? You know, I have a lot of trouble believing this was us because I, for one, was psychologically affected by this. As it turns out, I didn't know it at the time. And I have since been diagnosed with PTSD. And they thought it was from an earlier event that happened in my life when on my first deployment on the Vincennes when we shot down an airliner by mistake. But I think it was more related to this. So if it turns out that this was us testing us and it had this type of effect on some of us, there might be hell to pay. You know, I'm not going to be happy if that turns out to be the truth. I'll tell you that right now. This profoundly affected my life. I wouldn't be, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it was, you know, something of ours. But then again, in the same respect, what the only thing that really troubles me with it being, like, ours, it would really mean that they're capable of keeping the type of secrets that we all hope that they can't. Because, like, the level of technology that was involved with these crafts was, you know, I couldn't even tell you how many years ahead because it's too many. I don't understand how that kind of technology could be held secret for this long because we've been seeing these things for 60 years. So probably more than that. I mean, if you want to talk, you know, ancient aliens, anything like that, I mean, they cite about a billion and one other references throughout all of our human history where we've been seeing stuff in the sky. So, you know, I don't prescribe to the little green man theory as of yet because I haven't seen one. But I don't say that, you know, I think that this is not a win-win situation for even our company because, I mean, I've even sat down with our guys, our board of directors, and said, look, you know, we've got serious thoughts about doing this research because there's some avenues that and some things that, you know, we really have to think about because, A, no matter what it is, we're going to run into the government at a certain point because if it is government technology, we're going to run into the government because we're going to have proof of it. If it's not, then we're going to run into the government because we have proof of it. So no matter what, we're running into the government. And so either our government is the most shady pieces of crap that can hide this level of technology for this amount of time or they're not. And either way, it's scary as hell because one way, we're all not in control. And in the other way, guess what? We're not in control still. So we all just kind of live this beautiful illusion of freedom at this point. It's kind of scary shit. It's both very good points. And Kevin, you touch on something that I've had a few chats recently with guests about and Ryan Sprague has just released a book that touches on the human element of alien or ET experiences and UAP experiences. And like you say, that's huge. And not even to go down the route of, you know, claims that could go in against the US government from its own armed forces and people and a variety of different areas. But like you say as well, Gary, that if this turns out, this is our technology, just as in humankind, then it's such a leap that there are so many more questions of, okay, so where's it came from? Is it back engineered from something else? Have we just one day broken the laws of physics and uncovered all this great new stuff? Why haven't we been using it? You know, just there's so many different avenues to go down. However, a show that you're all very aware of and a group to the Stars Academy, Chris Mellon, Lou Elizondo, Jim Semervan, Tom DeLong, Hal Putov and the guys, they very much, even still in this second season where PJ, you've been a regular contributor, they are very much adamant. And they keep going back to, this isn't Russian, this isn't Chinese, this more than likely isn't ours. They seem very confident with that. So, PJ, to you, given your experiences with Unidentified, how confident are you, again, having worked with the guys on Unidentified, that this is or isn't US technology? I mean, the only person I really talked to from that whole group is Lou Elizondo. And we had a much longer conversation than, you know, was actually shown on the series. And we never really got into, is it ours, is it theirs? He cleared up a whole bunch of questions I had about what happened to my stuff after he took it, where it went, what it was used for. He's the person I actually learned all that information from. But I got the feeling from him that all he wants to do is know what it is. I don't think he cares one way or the other. He just wants to know what it is, just like the rest of us. And again, to not spoil it, because I'm more than likely going to release this just before the finale of Unidentified this evening. They wrap up with a very, it's quite a moving summary. And I don't know if any of you have seen the final episode yet. They wrap up with a very moving summary of, they're quite clear on what they think this is without saying it. And again, the line is used, this is not ours, this is not Russian, this is not Chinese. And something Lou Elizondo has said in the past is talking about humankind's and mankind's, plural, that it's not just us on this planet. And again, that's something he finishes the series with. And he gets a little bit emotional about it. And again, that comes across the aspect of if there's more than us on this planet, then it opens up a whole new, you know, a whole new ball game. It changes humanity. And again, those are all questions that are for hypothesis and down the line and a lot of different conversations. What I'd like to ask though for you guys, so to the Stars Academy, it's really been the key in unlocking the door, which so many are now walking through, including people like yourselves that are now following in your footsteps. Do you think there's more to come from this incident itself? So even just the other day, PJ, you have obviously dropped that bombshell on Twitter and it's added a new element to the conversation. However, is there much more to get out of this or are we now kind of flogging a dead horse? No way. Our group has been vindicated over and over and over again. I think it's still going to keep happening. Every agency that comes out pretty much backs up everything we've all said. And my gut instinct is that this was not our stuff. And that in itself asks a lot of questions, you know, brings up a lot of real important questions. If it wasn't ours, who the hells was it? Was it even from Earth, you know? I think this story has legs and it's just going to keep delivering. I really do. Well, I know as for me, I think our events basically just the straw that broke the camel's back. It's the catalyst. You know, they'll look back and take a look at, you know, how this all started. And it'll be the, you know, that New York Times article about our event and then all of us coming out and, you know, and then Fravor coming out and saying his piece. And then the, you know, just recently the pilot that actually recorded the video itself came out to clear a lot of things up too. So, I mean, it's just going to keep happening because there was, you know, I think we had like, I think 500 and something people on my ship and 7,000 people on the carrier. That's a lot of people and that's a lot of people that knew about it. I mean, even if they didn't directly have anything to do with it or any systems that interacted with it, you know, those communities, they know. We all know. And I mean, it's just like with, you know, with Kevin, Kevin's been definitely affected by this tremendously. We all have in one way or another. And, you know, for me, it's just been absolutely mind-boggling to know that this is finally coming to light because I honestly never thought it would. I remember when I first came out about it, I, you know, I did a lot of phone calls to a lot of important people to make sure that it was all right that I said anything about it because I really didn't want to knock on the door, you know, and so I got a lot of all my old buddies that, you know, they didn't go into cable when they got out. They stayed in, you know, the circles and, you know, got the high-level government jobs and, you know, so they let me, you know, I said, all right, you know, I got the least to lose out of everybody, so let's do it. God bless you, Gary Borthy's. You've all played an incredible part in this and telling those stories and being the first people to do it has been amazing and like I said, there are now so many more following in your footsteps, so no doubt in the last three years, we've seen an incredible amount of progress and for those that have got a keen interest in ufology like myself, you know, people who initially just were interested in are there aliens coming from other planets and spaceships? The conversation in three years has changed incredibly and just the understanding people have as well. There's a lot of indication for people like yourself as well and military, you know, commercial pilots, police officers and just the general public that report and see UAPs that, you know what, they're not crazy. Well, not all of them and that, you know, some of these sightings are as incredible as they sound. If this same incident that happened to you in 2004 was repeated again tomorrow and we hear that up until, you know, recently and you guys might even know more recent than me that these events are still happening, how do you feel the conversation would change from that military perspective? I don't know who wants to come in on that. I think if I was, you know, an 80s computer technician or actually there's no such thing as a computer technician anymore, they call them Q70 techs or whatever they are now, it's been so many years, but I think at this point if it were to happen to me again and I still had the prior knowledge of the 2004 event, I think I would have a lot more information on hand when I got out. I think I'd have a nice little safety deposit box for when I pass. I certainly would have kept copies. Yeah, especially today, I would have kept better notes, better copies. I had my logbook, of course, but I just had real brief notes like Latin longs and stuff like that and who I was controlling. But I would have definitely kept better notes. In fact, in 2009, after I retired, I tried to tell people about this and even some of my closest associates would look like, you know, what's wrong with Kevin? For sure that happened, right? So I wrote the story and I published it in the Library of Congress just in case the story ever did come to light that it would be some sort of contemporaneous proof that it really happened and that's exactly what happened, strangely enough. Ironically, with Kevin doing that very thing, it's made me go back and look at a lot of science fiction I've read a little differently. It's like, wait a minute, how did they get these intricate ideas like this? And on that, it's funny you mention, have any of you read Chains of the Sea? Because this is a short story recently that's kind of came to prominence with Lou Elizondo mentioning or haven't read it and a lot of people again have jumped on this bandwagon. Have any of you read that? Or short story? I have not. I've actually been getting knee-deep into Philip K. Dick lately. Say the name of the book again? It's Chains of the Sea. It's a bit of a short story. No, I haven't read it. No. I'm sure I haven't. Probably worth checking out. It wouldn't take you too long but again people are getting on the idea that a lot of the ideas that are now coming to the front that we're not alone on the planet. These things may have been here and different frequencies, different dimensions that we're starting to see in various different books and prose like you mentioned Gary. Some of the things you're now reading it's like oh wow was this pure chance that people have got this right or so accurate so long ago or did they have any kind of prior knowledge? So that's something what I'd like to know Kevin if I could just ask a question on the idea of the military conversation changing if someone in your position now today the same sort of event happened do you feel they would have a different experience than you had? Do you think they're going to be able to come forward with all the progress that's been made? I believe so yeah. I believe there's probably in fact procedures in place now that just didn't exist when we were serving and designed specifically to deal with unknown aerial phenomenon you know because I got to tell you Andy the thing that concerned me greatly in 2009 2008 when I retired when no one would listen to me was what what would happen if this thing happened off the coast of Iran when I really did have missiles on the airplanes and on the ships and somebody freaked out and overreacted and this thing could cause a freaking war you know that nobody wants and I think because of that safety of flight issues I think there's probably some pretty written and trained procedures in place that just weren't there when we were serving in 2004 so and if it did happen I think it's all going to get recorded and logged and spoken about at this point I truly do and my evidence for that 2015 I mean those guys came out you know between that was 11 years later you know so that's just my thoughts on it no no that's good there's been a lot of talk as well recently around the fact the carrier group had a nuclear element to it was some kind of attraction to these objects again unidentified had a whole episode and I'll come to PJ on that one because you rolled your eyes so you must have some kind of comment you want to make and I've been more than happy to hear it what are your thoughts on that aspect of it is that putting two and two together and getting five I mean I just don't think the amount of nuclear subs we have the 11 nuclear carriers we have you know I feel we would see a lot more than what we've seen if that were the case I don't think it has anything to do with nuclear power and that's coming from a guy who slapped neck to a reactor from entire crews and it had no effects whatsoever which is always good to see so listen what's next the UAP task force has now been signed off that's made its way through the Senate and the US which is great and I'm learning more and more about US politics as the whole world is over the last few years and we've all got our eyes on things you know but staying away from the political side of it and just focusing on the UAP task force with that forming Gary I'll bring this to you what's your opinions on the UAP task force what's that going to bring regarding the conversation and the movement realistically I think it's just a dog and pony show I don't think it's going to really do much other than maybe distribute more information that they actually want us to know when it comes down to it there's over a hundred other countries that are starting up a space program 23 of those countries are slated to go to the moon with that many countries now starting actual space programs I think that that's probably more the catalyst of why they're needing to get more of this information out faster and I mean there could also be something that we have no idea about and the idea that there's another race of beings living on our planet with us is not very far fetched I mean we've already figured out there's water deep below that giant borehole that Russia made we figured out through that that there's literally an ocean underneath the damn crust which we never knew was there you know there literally could be an entire civilization underneath our crust we've never been there we don't know what's really actually there so I mean they could have been here the entire time we've been involving and just like you know patted us on the head oh that's a good monkey you're doing so good you know I mean but when it comes down to it people still have to realize that they can't see us as equals if there were already developed before we even started to even you know when we were beating each other with rocks and eating meat raw because we couldn't start a fire you know there's no way in hell they're going to treat us as equals so keep that in mind and I suppose when you say that that makes me think a little bit about someone like Tom DeLonge who I know he's a divisive figure still and he makes a lot of outrageous comments but he talks about a disturbing aspect to the phenomena and is that something that you know potentially he's getting at Gary I think with him being the owner of that company you know and the one view that I have about Lou is you know kind of some to sum it up is that he doesn't want to know what it is he already knows what it is and because of his ties with his prior jobs just like all of us you know I can't tell you the exact range of spy one Bravo radar but you know I can tell you what we can't do I can you know lead you to the water but I can't force you to drink it you know we all know for a fact that there is craft that enter our atmosphere that can do Mach 25 plus that have no wings that have no discernible engines that somehow can maneuver on a dime at any angle speed or you know any vector at all you know that in itself should be amazing enough that should be literally enough to say yeah let's let's let's let's get some people on this you know wow you know and as for as many people that actually have credible backgrounds that have credibility that have seen these things just the empirical evidence should have already lent to the scientific communities so that denotes that there has been an active measure of trying to keep this all under wraps you know there's no way in hell you can tell me that the empirical evidence that there is out there now is not enough to base any type of science on I mean look at some of the whacked out science that they've already done that it's okay because it has nothing to do with something this big can I just go right back to almost one of your first comments you made on this as well because at first it sounded almost dismissive but you've made a really great point off the back you're a bit of a dog and pony show but then you mentioned that we've got 23 other countries potentially planning on going to the moon do you mean the idea that they want to control the narrative as in the US government or the UAP task force do because these other countries are going to go into space and then start to see things that we can't guarantee they keep under wraps is that what you mean what it means basically all these countries can't be guaranteed that they're going to say what they want you to say or what our government wants them to say or what the collective of governments that can go into space will say you know I mean when it comes down to it if they don't control the narrative they got to make sure at least they're controlling the storyline as it goes so if we already know about it hey no big deal that you know Estonia decided that they put up a satellite and saw literally something docked with it or something and they said hey yeah so this happened all of a sudden we don't we don't we don't know what's up anymore and we're not the ones on top of things and I think that that is yep go ahead sorry I jumped on you no go on Kevin can you hear me yes hey Andy my my thoughts on the task force are this and I'll just make this my public announcement to the members of the task force Senator Rubio and all those guys if you guys are serious about finding these things and understanding what it is and you might want to consider helping to fund our expeditions because we have a whole bunch of really smart people lined up to go on these ships with a really full lineup of new technologies and some of them are it's not that much money that we need none of us are getting paid none of us ever hope they get paid doing this it's strictly for logistics all of our funding requirements and any other requirements that we have we're not doing this to pay people Kevin listen it's a great timing because my next question is asking yourself to talk a little on UEPX and its status now UEPX my we talked about UEPX starting up and obviously COVID has been around and here we are four months later and it's still doing the rounds unfortunately regardless of what people want to think about it where are UEPX as a company at and what are the plans what's the status of it go ahead Gary fill that and I'll fill in some cracks and stuff if you don't mind so primary reason why I'm going to be filling this in is because due to Kevin having a lot of personal things going on with the fire and their golf course and he's had to spend a lot of time in his personal life where I've taken the reins up to take care of the day to day stuff so currently we did a restructuring since the last time we talked we kind of had to streamline it due to budget restraints versus like I said our whole priority is just to go out and do this research off the coast of San Diego so with that in mind I had to look at our staff and we had to look at the people that were involved with the company and say okay is this person really viable for this mission and it had nothing to do personally whether they were viable in any other capacity I had to look at our mission this mission is to do this particular task we're probably going to have enough money to get about 15 people out on this boat so we can maximize the amount of money for our testing equipment for budget for things so that we can actually get the detailed information that we want to out there and I know last time I spoke about how we plan on getting ridiculous amounts of information and we do and there's a lot of groundwork that has to be laid to get that because we have to be able to set parameters so that we're not wasting a lot of time on information that's already been gathered by national organizations or other private entities that make their findings public so we've been utilizing a lot of the time this go covid down time to do that restructuring and you know currently we're doing a lot of emailing back and forth and you know it's a very pish posh kind of way of trying to get all this stuff done so right now I'm getting us on board with the Google suite so that we can utilize a lot of that management and we can start working on the same projects at the same time and start to start to actually get more done without having to you know keep waiting for an email to come back or waiting for a response you know people can just go in and check on the project add what they have to add and then move on and once we get that done that's going to be a big mile marker for us because that I'm hoping by the end of the month to have our website complete with our Patreon and with forums which people will be able to interact with us on a more personal basis our Patreons will have access to a Patreon only forum which then they can actually get one on one with practically anybody they want because all of us will be active on those forums talking back and forth it's a way for the public to interact with us and give us their ideas comments and you never know where the next great idea is going to come from so then those forums are eventually going to roll into my archives idea that I was trying to roll out a little earlier but once I had to start doing the day to day with UAPX I had to push that back but I still plan on doing that aspect of our company too but one project at a time got a little too ambitious for my own good but right now we're working on getting grants through particular college we've written up a grant and a proposal and I can't comment on who where what and hopefully that goes through we've already set up a PayPal account so people can start to donate to the cause hopefully by the end of the month we'll have some t-shirts that people can buy saying everything from our logo to I support UAPX type stuff at first it'll be simple logos but we'll eventually have some more trendy stuff on there it's mostly just to try to get that store up and running get the infrastructure done and then we're going to move from there but I figure within the next three months tops we should have the infrastructure of UAPX completely done everything up and running smooth like butter and from there basically by the end of this year I'm kind of hoping that we can go anytime we have enough money to actually go basically that's where I want to get us to the point where as soon as we were out the door and when you look at the UAPX site at the moment it's got that mission statement on there and the thing that stands out to me is very much there's a correlation between that it talks about whale migrations and that mid November time of year and you do still hope to see that you can find UAPs in a certain area at that time of year is that still the thinking well after we did a lot of research you know from you know historical data in that area looking at I don't think it really matters what time we go because there's been sightings year round in that area it's a literal hot spot I mean it's people have seen them in the winter in the summer in the fall every month I think there's been at least one sighting every day of the year somewhere around that area in the Catalinas or off the coast or down toward more closer to Baja but that whole area every single day people are seeing things so that's been the case for years yeah for years now yeah and I mean we have at least 100 years of historical data for that area that just denotes that I mean there's some people that have told me that they could bring you out every day of the be I have no idea but we hope that we're going to get some good data but worst case scenario we can do a thorough analyzation you know analyze this area so thoroughly that we will be able to know the differences between you know because this will be the first time that we go out and this is going to be a lifelong venture we're going to have to study this area over original data to current data and keep going on and have a historical data of that area of temperatures migrations of animals what type of plant and fauna plants and animals live there how many of them can affect different frequencies what kind of radio stations are out there what kind of people are out there what kind of all the projects that are done in that area because there's a lot of government testing that goes out that way when I say government testing I'm thinking radar systems sonar systems missile control systems things like that these are the benign stuff that none of us are interested in but they all use frequencies in some way shape or form they all affect that area in some way and basically we don't want to leave any stone unturned when we look at that area we want to know how much radiation is if there are any hot spots of any type of radiation whether it's gamma beta alpha you you you know I mean some of these radiations only last for you know they're very very insubstantial by themselves unless there's a source emitting them at the time you know so if we're getting big hot spots of these types of radiations what the hell is causing it you know I mean these are all indications that we're going to be able to hopefully track find and you know keep doing more research on it and then the best thing that could happen is we can actually catch them and find them and see them on radar get the type of data that we had in the service that would be absolutely amazing and that's the ultimate goal but it's going to take time and for yeah I get those right so coming back from that message folks we had a ton of listener questions sent over thank you folks some of the names I'm going to go through and ask the questions as well so if you think it's your question it probably is let's go with that first question can the guys discuss the Navy's CEC radar and how it's impossible to misidentify a plane I think PG you want to take that one don't you first of all CEC is not a radar it stands for cooperative engagement capability and the Wayman unclassified version it is a real-time data link between a bunch of different ships and airplanes you know it doesn't have its own information it pulls information from all the sensors on other ships and here and there so it's not something you can spoof it's the glorious thing about it and it's available on the internet to look up is that it takes all the stuff it's connected to and makes one giant picture so you're unlikely to fool it but the big thing is the CEC is not a radar guy gary gary it it it also has systems on it that are already written into it that if data doesn't correlate with what it thinks it should be it will not use it so like say one of the links was you know like one of the links coming from one of the ships was just corrupted like say there was something wrong with the CEC and it was sending a bunch of bad information it would just drop that link it doesn't need that link to make the picture it just needs all of the other links that it has you know basically any one link it's not dependent on so it's collaborating the information amongst everything connected to it and that's how it's making its picture so with CEC it can't be spoofed because it's not something to spoof it's just it's not a radar no thanks for that next question biggest philosophical question has to be intent why with such superior capabilities have these craft allowed themselves to be seen well I think starting with our invention of radar they never intended us to see them I think it's just as our capabilities become more and more advanced we're able to see them it's kind of like you know before we invented AM and FM radio we couldn't transmit over those frequencies we didn't even know they existed you know so once we are able to then it just brings us into another realm of existence so so to expand on that then why when Commander Fravor I'll use the word engaged that might be wrong at one of these craft and as he commented he came down towards it and it came up towards him why didn't this thing just shoot off at that point well probably for the same reason if you know I got into a fight with a kid you know if I got into an actual fist fight with a kid I wouldn't hurt him you know I wouldn't even you know I would just do everything I could to avoid them because of how much damage I could do to that child you know I mean what why if they are you know actually malevolent or they're not if they are non-hostile that would explain why they don't do anything to us if it's reverse engineered technology or it's our technology and it's our people that would also explain why they didn't do anything so you know it bodes okay either way but yeah it's it's a question that definitely is staying in the philosophical realm because I don't think there's a good solid answer for it until we understand and identify the actual optics themselves so here's one for PJ one of the listeners has mentioned the UAP task force will apparently have more power than ATIP did but do you think that these programs could just get closed out of things like Lou was back in the ATIP days potentially or do you think they're going to be allowed to actually do some digging and make any real progress I don't doubt that there's going to be stuff they don't have access to it's it's the way the government works it's the way the military works I know a secret you don't you don't need to know the secret that I know so I'm not going to tell you you know it's I may have a top secret clearance but that doesn't mean I can know every top secret item in the government you know just because the UAP task force is given a top secret clearance for access to top secret information doesn't mean they're going to get to know everything you know say a cruiser I'm just going to use the Princeton sees this again that UAP task force isn't going to know the the Princeton saw the objects again unless somebody tells them you know unless there's a reporting process and the government and military is too big of a bureaucracy to get all that stuff to work the way they really want it to yeah the only thing I'd really add to that is the simple fact that I mean just go to a simple FOIA request unless you specifically ask exactly in the right exact words and terminology for what you want from them they'll give you bullshit back so unless they know the exact questions to ask they may never get the right information one of the listeners wanted to know what level of disclosure or admission would it take for for these events to make it into school textbooks wow that's a freaking awesome question I think oddly I think UAPX expedition when we go out there and we record these things and some really smart people stand up and say this is what I saw and here's my proof I don't think there will be any option at that point it'll have to be acknowledged that's the whole point of our mission I think you're filing that then under the scientific side of things aren't you that this is science this is science fact here's the data here's the experiments we've done and here's the results off the back of it so it's irrefutable proof then exactly and over to you to tell us what we saw that's the whole idea we're going to gather all this data and give it to some other really smart people to tell us what we just saw it will make the school books it will make the history books and I think deep down on the side it is going to end up changing the world I really do I think for some of us it has changed the world and even for guys like you it's affected your life so yeah I think we're starting to see the cracks appearing in a really good way Gary the next question was for you how certain are you that the object you saw through the big eyes were the ones being tracked on radar and did you see any movement I'm 100% certain that the objects that I saw were as far as out we were and the range and bearing that they were at there it couldn't have been anything else timing was perfect I mean we're only talking a difference of minutes from the time I go from combat to up to the big eyes so I mean it's not a whole lot of time so not unless every single time the same exact object just happened to be there at the same elevation and bearing every single time I went to go look at it you know and granted even half the time we were too far away from them so to see them half the time so when I did get to see them and you know anytime they did move it depends on the angle that we were at versus where they were at and which way what vector that they went at so if they were going you know you know parallel with us I could see them move but if they were going you know toward us then you know other than see them get a little bit brighter or just disappear and that was basically all I could see through the big eyes it wasn't until I saw the video itself that I really got the good eyeball full of exactly what this thing I've been looking at through the big eyes really looked like so you know it's I'm to me I'm 100% certain the things I saw through the big eyes were exactly what we were tracking it was it was funny though that the way different people would think about these incidents because Jeremy McGowan mentioned when I interviewed him that until he spoke to Lou Elizondo about the incident that had happened years before in the middle of the desert in Jordan he thought it was one object in the sky that was repeating the same cycle and apparently it wasn't until Luis Elizondo asked him is there any chance that these were multiple objects just following the same path that he actually had the idea that ah maybe these were multiple contacts I was seeing and I mean it could have been one object repeating but then again it could have been more so but you're quite certain that it was more than likely multiple yeah yeah because we were tracking them at the same time generally if it was one one object and it was just disappearing and then reappearing because of how fast it was going and basically we were just getting a hit every you know fifth time on them and that's why it seemed like it was just disappearing it would we wouldn't be tracking solid objects across the board you know and being able to see the path of these objects because you remember when we first started tracking them they weren't going fast at all matter of fact they were doing the opposite of that they were only doing a hundred knots which is ridiculously slow for a flying object so I mean that in itself was just odd so I mean they were not going amazingly fast we were able to track them they were you know luckily for us very solid objects even after we decided that they couldn't be real and then tried to see if there was anything wrong with our systems there was nothing wrong with our systems so when we brought them all back up sure enough they were all still there so it was it was definitely a hundred percent a you know real solid multiple objects you know there's no way that I think you know I I am not I have no understanding of anything that would be capable of faking the tracks that we saw at the time in 2004 I know people have brought up other systems but just looking how the systems work there's there's no way they could have spoofed our system even even a gigantic flock of really cold seagulls or birds would not even if they were hypersonic seagulls shitting fucking rockets they wouldn't they wouldn't have they wouldn't have fucking gotten through our system I'm just starting to believe the hypersonic seagull theory so let's tell you what the first time I see a fucking hypersonic seagull I'd be happy well I've also one of the skill sets one of the one of the skill sets for operation specialist is exactly what you're asking about being able to correlate what we see on radar with what the the lookouts in this case Gary and I saw visually with our eyeballs so you know one of my skills has been doing it for 18 years at the time and I'm absolutely 110% positive that what I saw on radar was exactly the object I saw through the big eyes and when I saw it it was actually pretty boring and I was disappointed went back down to combat I was disappointed but I was excited I found it yeah some of the watch standards actually saw these things maneuver with their eyes some of the bridge watch standards and stuff Sean Cahill being one of them our buddy Sean Cahill yeah I spoke to Sean Cahill about that back in the second episode yeah not that I don't know don't love having Patrick here but I was actually really looking forward to actually doing an interview with him he's I've had a couple of conversations with him privately and other than that he's a real interesting cat I yeah definitely somebody I want to get to know even more than I know because even you know him as a you know on board being a higher rank me other than being a lower rank other than running into him from time to time you don't have a whole lot of personal interaction with people with with with them like me and Kevin you know other than you know I knew him I knew of him he was a you know regular watch standards so I've had conversations with him prior but he was a chief I was a junior enlisted it was not we were not the same so it's it's it's a whole different animal you know we're now when we speak to each other it's with mutual respect but back then it's you know you're you're my junior you do what I need you to do and you don't need to know anything else that's probably how I feel talking to you guys just now so yeah but let's next question I will throw out to the floor was Chad Underwood directed to the Tic Tac by the Princeton radar or did he find it on commander Fravor's direction alone I think Kevin would have to pick that up Kevin what they want to know is did you guide him into the area or was he guided in by our flight control or was he told to go there by Fravor like Fravor Fravor was low on fuel so he had to return to base for RTB back on the carrier and Chad Underwood was getting ready to take off for the next flight and Fravor's hey Chad don't don't forget to take an at-flare plane so you can film this thing go find him and reportedly Underwood replied by saying I'm going to go find those things depth in his airplane took off and went out there and found him he came up on Charlie control or air ownership control and we took control of this flight and entered and make sure he went to the right spot in the sky where we found him so basically what you're saying is that Fravor's involvement was to the point of making sure that Chad had the at-flare pod on his aircraft before he launched and then we were the ones that guided him into that and he then from there he takes it from there to go look for the objects we gave him relative bearing and direction and then he goes that goes and gets the eyes on awesome yeah so forward looking infrared radar that at-flare forward looking infrared radar hopefully that breaks it down a little bit better for you yeah no no thank you and the next question is along the similar path but it was actually for Patrick for PJ and it was asked on Twitter and I think he said he would talk about it as much as he could when he came on the show and so a lot of debunkers have questioned the capabilities of the FLIR and radar can you talk where possible on what these systems are actually capable of oh I'm not going to talk about FLIR because I'm not a FLIR guy but as far as the radar on the Hawkeye which we tracked and I'll let Gary speak on spy the the way the radars work and there's multiple radars in use there's a spy there's a Hawkeye radar the fighter radars the Nimitz radars all of these radars have different capabilities different you know different ranges different power different you know processors they all work differently and they were all giving us the same information you know the the way the radar on the Hawkeye particularly worked is it's got in built processing it was an older radar but a very modern processor it's designed to look for that stuff you know we used to play games with the prowlers which are jamming aircraft which are meant to jam aircraft jam radar specifically and they rarely were able to jam the Hawkeye's radar because the way the radar is designed to work I can't elaborate on all of them because you know a lot of that portion is classified but it's it's designed to to not get spoofed you know and the Hawkeye radar can be spoofed if you're really good and you know what you're doing but Gary's radar you're not spoofing his radar has way too many antennas way too many I'll let Gary speak on that but you're not fooling that radar you're not fooling that this many different radars in use you know if it was just one radar I could understand the the whole spoofing line of thought but when you have this many radars in use I don't believe it Gary you want to speak on spy yeah well spy I mean it's not really one radar you can remember each one of those hexagonal panels you see has X amount of feed horns and each one each one of those feed horns can be moved and moved in any particular direction that we want and we can actually track multiple objects which is one panel or all of the panels all the panels combined together make a 360 degree view we can do things like burn through which is where we crank up the power and we just basically focus everything on one spot and basically it overpowers another another radar and for effective purposes jams it but mostly it just keeps them from being able to use their radar on us and then we can also do things like use it as a FCS controller basically it we have a different type of radar dish on board called it's a fire control it's where it's when you hear when you hear like on movies where they say you know light up the target or paint the target what they're actually talking about is using RF energy and balancing it off of a specific target so that we can shoot a missile at it now the missile itself interacts with the target because of how much RF is bouncing off of it it's the most radiant RF object in the area so it hits that target well we can do that with spy we can do that with multiple objects with spy spy is the most was even then the most powerful radar on the planet until we until somebody develops quantum radars act for for actual practical use and not just the the prototype that you've seen on the internet and when you actually dig into it their prototype is very very weak and until quantum radars are in effect there will be nothing that could spoof a spy one a spy radar awesome thanks for that Gary and thank you PJ and Kevin next question was for yourself and there's a follow-up for Gary to on the back of it and I can ask PJ the same if it's relevant what was the most amazing thing about the footage you've seen regarding the tic-tac the most amazing thing for me is the fact that it still survived you know that I was actually down at the golf course I had forgotten all about this even though because I didn't relate at all what happened to me after I retired and stuff and I didn't relate it back to this event as it turns out that it was the cause of what some of the stuff I was going through and I just didn't I mean how the hell are you gonna figure something like that out I mean you know what I mean and I had forgotten all about that post my book went on in life and forgot about this I was down at the golf course I just reopened the kitchen and I was watching a golf tournament and all of a sudden CNN's on who the hell turned on and then I saw what was playing it was that freaking video that I had in my email the very within hours of this event actually happening it was exact same fuzzy video and I was so freaking shocked I dropped the plate of fish and chips and yelled out to my brother-in-law in the pro shop hey Dave I gotta go home I'll explain later I took off went home got on the internet and Robert Powell had already posted something he's from the scientific coalition ufology I said hey Robert this is Kevin Day we've never met but you gotta call me I'm the guy that was sitting on the radar when this happened it controlled the intercept and that's when it all started happening for me so for me the the most amazing thing about this is the fact that we're even talking about this right now I I never expected this to happen ever in a million years I really didn't Gary you feel the same way I mean I had moved on up got it I hadn't moved on I never moved on I've always had my private studies about what we saw you know for as much as that's ever gonna get me but I've always tried to figure out what they are how they worked what kind of propulsion that they use what kind of you know how how it could be possible for those objects to have done what they could do these are the questions that have basically made my head hurt for almost 20 years now so yeah and Gary your follow-up on that one was is it possible that what Gary saw in the longer tic-tac video was a different event to the Chad Underwood film from what I understand no but then again I'm also hearing that they've had that there is a possibility that they have multiple films from multiple planes that were in the air I think that he may have I think the rest of the films are all gun gun footage films from the gun cameras and not from the at Fleer pods but what I saw was basically if from what I understand he was the only one with an at Fleer pod so it would have had to been his same footage but there is a possibility I didn't see like a label it didn't say Underwood on on the screen or anything like that nor was I really paying attention to that part of the screen I was pretty much eyes locked on the object that was you know the focus of this video so any any of the data that was running along the edges of the screen which was a lot of data I wouldn't have I wouldn't have I wouldn't have remembered exactly what it said so the only thing I remember is just how numb my brain went seeing this object next question again I'll put out to however it's more relevant to answer but you can all come in of course did the craft seen underwater also head to Catalina Islands and did any of you see the tic-tacs enter the water when they reach the islands as well I didn't in fact when this happened it wasn't my situational awareness whatsoever anything went into the water I saw this thing drop from 28,000 feet on radar down to 50 feet and just hover there now others have testimony saying these objects went into the water and I you know what that's their testimony and I at some point maybe some evidence will come out the same as it's coming out now with the different radar systems and other witnesses coming forward maybe that same thing will happen with the subsurface contact too Gary I know I'm going to meet with this question so go for it all right so so I know that the pilots reported seeing a very large object underwater and that the tic-tacs were interacting with that object so we do have one confirmed report of at least one object being underwater direction bearing I have no idea which way it would went which way it went I know that it wasn't there at a certain point and then the like in the in the unidentified episode to where they had my interview they you know they got me on film saying you know they had a track that was over 500 knots under the water but what they cut off that and and so nicely edited was the fact that I literally said prior to that and after the comment that you know it was it was told to me by another another sailor which I have yet to be able to get a hold of and verify this for 100% I'd feel I've had one of the other sonar technicians that I do know and trust kind of tell me something contradictory that if there were tracks it wasn't from the Princeton I know that for a fact the Princeton didn't track it underwater in any way shape or form that if there were underwater tracks it would have had to come from either the sub the carrier or some other ship that was in the area we did not have our sonar buoys out we didn't have our tail in the water which means that it's a a long sonar buoy tail that we drag so that we can triangulate and track objects through the water and that's the only way we would have been able to have have known what the speed of something was with sonar so because we didn't have that tail in the water we could the Princeton would never have been able to tell you whether it was 500 knots into the water so if that information was accurate that I received from a right now I'm not going to I'm not going to name the source but it was it would have had to have come from one of the other ships in the battle group awesome but it's it's still unconfirmed so I mean let's take it for what you will I personally believe it but I don't I have zero proof I I'll be dead honest with that until I can get the particular person that told me about it to come out about it it is I have zero proof so take it with a grain of salt until we have better proof no I appreciate that listen so the next question is one of the longer ones it was sent over by Jazz Shaw and who many will know from UFO Twitter I'll read through it and you might want to take some notes so some of us have recently been reviewing the original Nimitz encounter interviews with a specific focus on gaining some perspective on two and on the two individuals who showed up to collect the data bricks after the encounter PG I know that's something you've talked on I asked this question as a former radar tech who served on two carriers out of San Diego back in the day I was always in CIC so I don't shy away from the geek talk and for those I've been speaking to the guys about on the show and the listeners this is some of the language that I was like what so I'm hoping the guys will understand this and I'm sure they will and some of those interviews Gary Voorhees described them as two guys in suits I'm assuming he meant jumpsuits or whatever uniform or clothes they had on underneath the interviewer seemed to later interpret this as meaning they might be civilians but that wasn't clear from the original answer Jason Turner has said he doesn't remember seeing the helicopters land and didn't see them and I'm going to butcher the surname here potentially but is it Ryan Vigilt originally described them as a couple of Air Force guys in plain flight suits later saying they are plain green flight suits with no names or insignia doesn't say how he knew they were Air Force but later says absolutely Air Force based on a glimpse of the uniforms he could see under the jumpsuits with no offense intended I've worn those jumpsuits for helo trips between ships and from ship to shore they don't show a lot of your uniform that's an awfully tiny detail to remember 15 years later when you say that you originally didn't find the encounter all that interesting until other people came forward wondering what level of certainty we have that they were definitely Air Force and not Navy or possibly even civilian government that came on board it doesn't take that long to fly out from Coronado out to that operating area and I would like to ask what the guys think potentially about this situation and by the way I served on the Connie and Ranger out of North Point and was a TAD to the Kitty Hawk a couple of times say hi to my fellow squids for me that was a bit of a longer question but PJ you might want to come in on that one I think yeah I know Gary's got his own part because um our experiences are the same but different you know I understand what the gentleman is saying you know when they get off the helicopter they have rubber duckies on they have a helmet on they have goggles on it covers up all that stuff rubber ducky being a life jacket a life preserver by the time they made it to me they didn't have any of that stuff off or on they just had their flight suits a Navy flight suit is green an Air Force flight suit is green but the insignia the patches the color of the ranks all that is different and we get taught that in boot camp you know that's how ingrained it is in you to recognize the other services insignia they definitely had at least on my my end on the Nimitz Air Force flight suits they were lower ranking I don't remember the length but they were Air Force flight suits they had Air Force patches Air Force insignia all of that and being a Navy ship you don't exactly have Air Force officers on there all the time they stand out you know that's something that you remember that they were there and where my shop was on the Nimitz it's a hike to get there you got to go up some and down some and around some corners it's not a straight shot just to get to us so they're making it all the way over to where I am it's something I remembered Gary our guys that came over to our ship you know I would it could be anything from you know I keep getting interviews where they talk about the men in black came my ship and I say I always correct them and say oh you mean the men in khaki because they uh you know we're talking polo shirts khakis uh we'll talk we'll say semi semi business formal uh or not formal just business casual type of attire uh I and like PJ I actually had to sign the chain of custody which is actually the only thing I signed about this entire event and that's actually why I got a little confused when I first I had to make sure that that wasn't a uh a uh non-disclosure agreement I signed because I'd up to that point I literally never signed a chain of custody in my entire life because we'd never given anything out other than tapes to tech reps uh and things of that nature which didn't require a chain of custody uh but uh we did sign I did sign a chain of custody for our our data recording tapes so there is at least a paper trail somewhere just not one that we can follow awesome thank you guys just a couple more questions and then we can wrap up I appreciate the time um Kevin this next one is for you did I know did an officer give you instruction to investigate the radar anomalies no as a matter of fact um after this happened I went up to combat information center CIC and I was gonna um I didn't know how the captain was gonna react but I was gonna draft an after action message because I was the primary operational message writer for the ship and then you know I'd write the message and then I would route it through the chain of command and the captain would end up releasing it I because of the way he was acting I pulled him off to the side hey captain smith um you what's going on here what are these objects and he looked at me with a very perplexed look and said mate I don't know maybe ice spontaneous farming ice from space he said and I have to admit laughing out loud and I'm glad he didn't get mad at me for it but I actually laughed at him okay so the next day I went up to combat I was gonna draft a message after action report and I didn't I didn't know if he was gonna release it or not but I was gonna try and I went over to the um to get my data and stuff I went over to the RD 390 which recorded all of our external communications on the radios which is our late and lo and behold all of my voice comms were gone you know every time we key the mic every time we key the mic on it externally gets recorded the the date time it gives a date time stamp and then the follow-on voice comms well strangely enough all this all this all the date time stamps were on the desk still but all the comms were gone yep and I looked at the tech I looked at the technician and I could tell that he knew what had happened and I'm not going to mention his name because he hasn't come out yet but he I just gathered instinctively that he knew but he couldn't tell me and I respect that and I gave up the idea of writing a message at that point because I you know I had figured out that something very strange something very strange had happened and it was way beyond my pay grade to figure it out so I just left it alone because what Kevin didn't know is while he was doing all that with the captain and trying to figure out how to report this uh we I was turning over data tapes and being instructed to erase everything yeah I figured all that out later yeah and you know and ironically I didn't know that he was the one that accessed the data afterwards until ours until we told our story separately later on and I was saying it's like we were literally in the same room the first time I heard it we were on stage over in Laughlin and I'm like oh my god I am the asshole that erased that on him thanks man thanks yeah so yeah it was truly a head scratcher and um you know I had 18 I had um there was only one guy on the ship had more sea time than me was the captain I had 18 years of sea time on that on Ticonder River class ships that that day when that happened and I had never experienced anything like this you know usually when we do exercises and operations everything's been scripted months in advance and practiced and rehearsed and repracticed and debriefed and briefed and debriefed this thing was so far outside of the realm of anything I'd ever seen I just I didn't know what to do so I didn't do anything and Kevin the next question again is for you uh was it yourself who guided Chad Underwood during the filming of the FLIR video or was it a colleague we restate the question it was a little bit broken was it yourself that guided Chad Underwood during the filming of the FLIR video or was it a colleague of yours uh that's that FLIR video that we see on the internet is um from Chad Underwood's flight is that what you're asking I know it didn't come from the ship that's not what they're asking what they're asking is whether you guided him in exactly to where the object was to film it um he would have guided him to the to the area like the general area where it was and then Chad would have done his own interrogation from that point on yeah and you have to remember we got data links so he can look he can look out of systems in the aircraft and see where he's supposed to go as well from the data links cool um next question to the floor if the tic-tac was sending or receiving electromagnetic signals uh could Hawkeye discern directionally where the origin of the data was coming from yes oh there you go yes yes you can 100 yes and actually if it was squawking anything just about if it was depending on what frequency it was a lot of the ships could have seen it in Hawkeye specifically because well that's literally what it's there for so and Andy just so you know when uh during operations on the on the ship um like the radar operator say new track 4425 and then everybody in a position on the air side is going to chime in with their own piece of information and one of those guys is the electronic warfare supervisor and he is specifically looking for that he's looking for signals coming from that contact because um with his information i'm able to tell hey this is a calm air because it's got calm air radar or hey this is a soviet mig 25 because it's got that type of signature so i i use all of these little pieces of information to make the identification that's where the problem and in this case is there we couldn't fight yeah there was no there was no electronic emissions from these things because i mean everybody wants everybody wants to look at this stuff and say okay well there could have been uh you know a person that made a mistake well it doesn't matter if a person made a mistake the entire battle group didn't make a mistake and there's so much information that we're using to try to try to figure out exactly what these objects are is that it's it's honestly it just uh it feels like anybody that's really trying to debunk it based off of that fact about us not being trained enough or somebody making a mistake it's it feels like they're just trying to make a sensational accusation um because if you if you knew the the way that this stuff works and that's what we're trying to relate to people is that there's no way we made a mistake that this was an unknown object there was no way we made a mistake that it was a solid object there's no way that we made a mistake about how fast it went or the capabilities of it uh that's why we're here that's why we're talking to you right now uh if we didn't believe it and we wouldn't be here and if it wasn't real then the government definitely wouldn't have said it they said anything at all they would have just been like yeah yeah sure believe what you want to believe just like they have for the last 60 years but instead they they had they had their hand pulled this time yeah there was hard it's really hard to deny the the you know the the video evidence that we we put forward and then from there you know we can testify the rest you know that's you know we've got video we've got radar we've got you know audio we've got the pilots themselves i don't know how much more people want uh at this point either get on board or get the hell out get out to get the hell out of the way yeah that's fair we're sending us yeah send us some money to go figure it out give us enough money i'll take you with us yeah we will help fund us and we'll go out there and we'll figure this shit out it's that simple if you just advertise a ce5 experience for two and a half thousand dollars you'll get a few people jumping on board i'm sure as well so i can i can flog them or you know waterboard them or something and they can hallucinate it if they want i think there's places i think there's places you can go for that kind of stuff anyway um so two more questions uh do you guys know of others and i'm sure you will and can you give an estimate of what sort of numbers of people have had similar experiences to yourselves that just haven't came public yet and any details at all you can share well to give you an idea since i went public public with this i've probably had just personally over at least a hundred different people of credible nature whether they're pilots prior military with with top secret clearances um mostly i'll be honest with you mostly pilots commercial pilots and uh military pilots i've gotten over 100 emails depicting a various from back in the you know back in the 50s and 60s i've got some guys that won't come public about it but definitely wanted me to know the story and that i'm not alone you know in that kind of situation um and i know that the other guys have all received emails from people uh you know and of course i take i take everything with a grain of salt until i kind of look into things and then but i'm appreciative of any of the stories that anybody wants to share with us but i think without a shadow of a doubt there's not a day that doesn't go by that a new witness is not created so i'm thinking every single day a pilot sees something a credible witness sees something that they can't explain running through the skies i think it's that common and i think that's why it permeates our society so thoroughly well said gary and i agree with all that awesome um next question i had a few people ask this one i know it's something that we talked about just before the show as well have you got any comments on deep prasad and his time with uapx well good kid you should get off of uh twitter so much and uh we don't have any other real anything other really to say about him but that's uh hey there's not much to say about him you know he was with us for a while um we hadn't really done anything yet before before we separated uh he didn't particularly like how we monitored his social media so he left the company and that's that's our official statement is uapx no yeah the whole the whole reason why all this started it actually goes back to him in that article that tim mcmillan wrote they called they called the group was it the silicon valley ufo hunters right gary yeah and that's when that's when i that's what i was the first one to reach out to be say hey deep this is me and uh i'm the guy that you need to talk to and that's how we we kind of he kind of uh came to join us um and it's simple like i said that's that's all we're that's all we're going to talk about him we had our official statement and that's it yeah i know that exactly right and thank you for making the statement as well i appreciate you answering that last question uh and i'm looking for an answer here from all of you with the uap task force now being formed and underway are we going to find out within the next i'll give an estimate here two to three years that these unidentified craft have an origin that is not of this earth if i word it that way i know basically they uh they want to know if uh hopefully here soon we'll uh we'll find out whether these are aliens or not i know kevin wishes hopes they are i i just uh i'm scared no matter which way it goes i'll be dead honest all of this shit is it scares the hell out of me because i don't see a good direction that this is going into and if i'm completely wrong and it actually goes in the direction where they're just these people that have lived here and they're just helping us i will gladly eat crow pj do you want to come in on that um i don't know if they're going to get anywhere anytime soon um they've got a lot of they've got a lot of work to do just to just to catch up to where everything is and kevin um man i this this universe of ours is so freaking huge uh the the odds that we are the only living you know when i say we i'm including every like even like mosquitoes and stuff you know like every living organism on our planet the chances that we are the only living organism in the entire universe it has to be zill it has to be zero in fact the opposite has to be true now that's not to say that they're even care about us or they're the ones visiting us or that's what we saw but i don't i honestly don't believe that we're alone in this universe in my mind is scientifically impossible it just is there's no freaking way that's that's going to prove true that is all for this 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