Breakdown: UFO Hearings Delayed – Science, Signals & Secrets (Pt. 1)

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This was initially going to be just, I thought, a follow-up. You know, let's get through some of the questions. Never got to last time and everything. But got a whole host of news which seems to have happened in the last kind of week or so. Let's fire through it. And then I've got loads of questions saved from last time as well that I'll try and get through as much as we can in the time we've got, Dan. But no better place to start then than the UAP Disclosure Act slash hearings slash political side of things. Other stuff, folks, for those of you who, to be fair, I'll address this now. I think some folks with the political stuff when it comes to UFOs go, oh, maybe it's a bit dry or, you know, that's not their thing in the UFO topic. We have got spheres being debunked. Ross Coulthart's follow-up comments on the TikTok stuff. Gary Nolan on Jordan Peterson at MUFON Symposium has started this week, Dan. And I just want to get your thoughts on that, although the good stuff isn't really available to chat about yet. And then I fire at Area 51, which there's not a whole lot to chat about, but, you know, speculation runs wild there. However, getting into the stuff in Washington, there are some kind of tasty little sound bites and snippets from this, to be honest. So where do we start? But the hearings that were due to happen in July are delayed. So those aren't going to happen now till September. When in September? I don't know. I know Representative Eric Burleson had mentioned it could be 1st of September. I believe that's a holiday. So there can't be any hearings on that day. I think he was just trying to say early September. And, yeah, he went a little bit too accurate on that one. So there won't be any on the 1st. But we're looking at September. The big speakers on these hearings seem to be Burleson and Luna. And I don't mean as in they'll be talking. But those two seem to be doing the chatting in the media. And they almost seem to have, I don't know, I think for me, Burleson seems to be more positive with it. And maybe, not vague, but, you know, pushing things forward, not overcommittal. Whereas Luna seems to be a little bit more, we can't get people to come forward. And I believe she said that people were reluctant to come forward to even speak. That has now changed to the, she believes they have one definite who has decided to come forward after she'd had the interview saying no one would. And they are hopeful of others. So it's a little bit higglety-pigglety in that sense. But first off, in terms of the hearings being delayed, I don't think it has a big effect on anything. No, I don't think so. Like, it's been delayed before. We'll get them when we get them. But I would prefer them to wait and do a good job than to rush it and have a lesser hearing, you know? We want first-hand witnesses in these hearings. These politicians are saying the same thing now. So, yeah, it's looking good. The direction's good. But I do wonder who they're going to have. Who do you think they have? Right. So, I imagine Jake Barber is the guy they've got. I think that will please some people and others less so. We'll get to some Jake Barber stuff. When I say Gary Nolan on Jordan Peterson, they talk about Skywatcher quite a bit in there. And there's some interesting points raised and brought up. But we'll get to those later. How would you feel, first off, then, about Barber being the guy? Neutral? Like, I'd give it a 5 out of 10. I just don't expect them to bring much. I know the Skywatcher stuff, they apparently haven't got these big materials yet that they want to, you know, the video where they can confirm that these anomalous things are happening. But I imagine Jake would be asked about the stuff that he spoke about in the Ross interview, recovering the egg, doing crash retrieval, stuff like that. That stuff would be interesting. I would just kind of hope that it's kept separate from the Skywatcher stuff just because they're two different subjects. It leading him to doing the Skywatcher stuff, sure, it's relevant in that way. But I hope it's not just all about Skywatcher. Like a recap of what they've been doing that we know already. I know you've not seen Nolan on Peterson. Correct. And that might add some stuff to what you've just said there. Yeah. Oh, do you know what? I'll just say one of the things now because I'll go back through it when we get there. Gary Nolan said he is still part of Skywatcher, which I think is reassuring given he did say there would be reasons he would leave if he felt any of them were kind of what's the word? Compromised. You know, certain things that morally he wouldn't be involved with. And he's still a part of Skywatcher. And also, he mentions that he didn't think the initial content that was put out and available on social media, he says Twitter, is good enough. In terms of data, he believes what they have got recently with new sensor suites and cameras is much better. I'm hoping, this is something I hope from them that, you know, as Skywatcher has released their stuff, you've had various cinematographers and people getting in touch with them to say, hey, look, I can use this camera that I have. I'm a professional. I can shoot high speed and get slow-mo of far away objects close up in detail. If Skywatcher didn't embrace that stuff, I would be dismayed. So hopefully, in the next episode, we see that they've got these people on site, they've got the better equipment and that they're learning and developing. I don't remember. You can help me here. He mentions a video of an object that they say would be a sphere that he says they used a high frame rate camera and they capture it in the high frame rate camera going from one side of the screen to the other and then back again to which he says if that is one object and it is at the distance they believe it is, then it's traveling anything from 2,000 to 10,000 miles per hour and they only captured it because they had the high frame rate camera. Sure. He said the other option would be someone really close to the camera has fired two ball bearings either side of the camera which isn't the case clearly but yeah they are quite confident they've got something spherical going at an incredible rate across frame and back again so that was interesting I don't think we've seen that from them in their initial stuff No, that hasn't been released so like I say I'll go through it in more detail in a bit but if they've got stuff like that, that's going to help Yeah, it would be interesting to see that because when you see UFO videos where it's a small thing that's either far away or close to the lens and it's like a bug or something the conversation goes around is it far away or close I would imagine Skywatcher maybe had radar or something like that to see that there was something further out and that they're correlating the two things but there are easy ways to tell because the camera will be focused far away so anything close will be out of focus so that's how you tell that it's something small and close versus something far away and big and fast so we'll have to see it to judge I guess or to be informed I should say not to judge hold it lightly take it seriously as I always say 2025 people don't judge and jump to rash conclusion so that's Barber do you think it's Barber maybe I could I could see him being there but it's not who else are better so Matthew Brown I'd love to see him testifying about consolation that would make a lot of sense to me that's been where the most serious conversation is you know Barber's someone that claims to be has been inside the program whereas Matt Brown is just a worker who came across himself that he shouldn't have and so this is kind of like a leak or something so I'd love to see him talk about his experience in an open hearing present some of the documents he's spoken about seeing and yeah I think that would be really helpful the other person I think I'd like to see up there is Stratton but I don't know whether that would happen because I guess he's knee deep in writing his book right does he have time I don't know so a couple of things there I've just wrote down the name so do you think Matthew Brown being the guy who stumbled across the matrix is like the neo and Barber is like the Morpheus who's already knee deep in the matrix and bringing him out it's funny as much as they are connected they're two very different sides of a coin still it seems to me like Barber and his involvement how he has been and Matthew Brown almost still seems like a reluctant I'm not going to say hero in that sense but you know the reluctant hero coming forward to talk about you know the things he's seen and everything else yeah and the other one Stratton could be great publicity for Age of Disclosure if he decided to wait till then yeah absolutely I sent you something this week that I think is worth mentioning a UFO film by some heavy hitters in Hollywood that also premiered at South by Southwest where Age of Disclosure premiered and those guys have gone for a straight to streaming deal so I'm thinking if these big directors can't get their big film in the cinema then what are the chances of Age of Disclosure even more so than when we spoke last time one of the listeners had mentioned Liam said I can think one of the reasons Age of Disclosure is waiting imagine releasing it just before or after the new Steven Spielberg UFO movie that's coming out next year that would definitely make an impact in fact I think I've just talked myself into believing that's the reason so hopeful more than anything there but I mean I would doubt they would pin their advertising on a hearing but again if that was just happy circumstance would that be a good time and place to say look we've got Jay Stratton at a hearing he's one of the main guys in this documentary we've got come on Netflix let's get it released in September towards the end of September there's going to be some you know some chatter around the topic he's going to be speaking in front of Congress he's going to say some stuff and then you've got him in the documentary as well so that again for me it would be one of those things of if Stratton I'd be very happy with Stratton listen if it was Barber Stratton and Brown cool it would be an interesting show right plenty to talk about from those three I'd like to see probably at least one more unknown and unknown would be amazing I was going to say that just someone that we haven't heard from that has been speaking to these committees and is said to be a first-hand whistleblower let's get him up there you know Corbella's spoken about speaking to scientists from the program let's get him up there yeah did Burleson not say that they're hoping to get the pilots of crashed retrieved craft in this I think they're about he said something like that he really wants very hands-on very first-hand people I had the quote in my document from the last chat from my news oh so here's what Burleson said previously until now the only people who have come forward didn't have first-hand contact but in the upcoming hearing we will focus on people who have actually drove crash retrieval vehicles handled bodies and had direct contact I don't think any of those three would cover that no no Stratton closest rumored I mean he says in the documentary for the trailer that he's seen bodies and but he's never alluded to flying these things and I don't think he would be able to if what we've been told about them is true yeah barber carrying the egg and stuff like that I don't accept that as driving crash retrieval vehicles nope it's driving by proxy that's like having a second set of pedals yeah you know when you see those guys going along the motorway and they're driving like a big a big massive arctic lorry or truck and they've got 12 brand new lamborghinis on the back of it it's like that guy that night and saying I drive a lamborghini actually I've got 12 of them no you don't they're on the back of your shitty truck that you're paid to drive I'm thinking of Thor's hammer you know you can only pick it up if you're worthy but if you put it in an elevator and the elevator goes up is the elevator worthy yeah yeah yeah so I don't know with those three again I'd love to hear people suggestions on who else but I think we're probably hoping for some names of folks we don't know Barber, Brown, Stratton Herrera maybe Herrera he's connected to Barber a little bit and there's been some interesting developments in his story that has taken it from really outlandish to actually I kind of want to hear this guy say this in an open hearing you know the more sensational claims are things that crept in as the game of telephone happened but when Herrera speaks about it he's like no we just saw these things I don't know what it is I don't know what I saw but I'd like to find out. I'm talking to Mike just now and trying to get him on. Does it look like he's going to come on? Maybe. Genuinely maybe. Not Joey should be able to help. He's put us in touch so I am trying to speak to Mike but I get it's difficult. Speaking of Mike Herrera here's what he tweeted a couple of days ago. So it was based off of Luna saying that it's so Luna said we've asked multiple people they weren't willing to testify and they didn't want to be the only ones or worried about safety etc. And Mike Herrera I think put out an interesting tweet to say I will explain why this is. First Congress and the Senate have had actionable intelligence on the subject for the last three years. This includes who is involved where the assets and biological are everything someone would need to plan and to execute. Congress and Senate sat on their hands while whistleblowers revealed themselves to only have retaliation threats to their finances and well-being as well as their families lives endangered. Until Congress can grant amnesty protections and I mean physical protections and funding to help these people stuck on the other side still provide for their families it's a waste of time and exposes someone firsthand for no reason and subjects them to the negatives of coming forward. Members of Congress know what needs to happen but they choose not to do so. That's pretty damning. Very. And it's not the first time we've heard that. You know a number of us has been speaking about how some of these people like Luna you know are pushing this for personal reasons but they're not actually pushing on the intelligence they're being given to figure this out. I don't know what's happening behind the scenes. It's just people throwing mud right. like I'd love to know but I don't. I think what is interesting is and stuff we don't get to see or necessarily hear too much of is there are people and I'm just going to throw names out there these people this isn't me confirming it for the love of Christ. Okay. But there are people like Herrera and Grush and Barber and Brown all speaking to each other and getting in touch with each other and helping each other come forward and meet the right people. I don't doubt Corbell, Knapp, Burleson, James Fox, Coltart. These folks are all involved in helping this stuff move around as well but that can also be messy and get folks and wires crossed and things are going to happen then they don't happen. It's a very difficult circumstance and I think again it sounds maybe a little oversimplistic but even like Herrera makes the point there really fairly that yeah we want Matthew Brown to come forward but Matthew Brown gets a whisper in his ear okay yeah you want to do that no problem mate don't worry we're not going to do anything silly to you but see tomorrow you know your parents house you know your parents bank account maybe they've got issues with it for a month you know that loan they're applying for right now they're not going to get it you know your mates kids yeah that's the kind of stuff that can happen and then they've got to look and go is it worth it this is going to impact me and it's easy for us to sit here and go yeah let tell us where the UFO stuff is but yeah sorry if people can hear a beeping in the background at all I have not muted my discord on one of my computers so I'm doing that plus I think like the say say Mike Herrera decides okay I'm going to be a champion of disclosure and I'm going to just bring everything out and tell my story in congress in an open hearing unless that story can blow the doors wide open in a 100% believable way that everybody is on board with it then I can understand why he'd be reluctant to share because he's like well I'm not the you know the be all and end all of this conversation anyway so why am I going to risk my parents my friends their kids for something that isn't 100% undeniable I can understand that thinking and this is why it's so important that we get people in there that have this kind of evidence that can blow the doors off this thing if Lou told them months ago in the hearing where is that they can go to find this stuff they need to be going there to find this stuff because yeah stories are frustrating but equally not having 100% proof is just a frustrating place to be and that's where the UFO subject finds itself right we need that proof 100% not maybes yeah and if Grush I still say that if you went back to six months or a year or five or ten years before David Grush sat and said what he did in front of Congress if you said we're going to get this we're going to get someone sitting in a chair live under oath saying what Grush said people would be like that would be it that would be disclosure yeah it would all just cascade from there we had plenty of folks online who have various different methods of talking to the public who all assured us that that was at Grush's Grush had started a snowball that would be an avalanche and it was it was phenomenal but that even even my point is even that wasn't enough I'm not disparaging what Grush said but even like to your point it would need to be something even more than that and I think short of someone sitting down at a table like Bob Lazar and literally bringing element 115 out of his pocket and showing us all floating on a table I don't see what has the impact politically it's stuff that we're not seeing or hearing that's happening in the background that's causing issues causing waves so yeah I mean tied into that Dan just just quick up to kind of summarize some of that stuff and ask Paul's been doing a wonderful job ask Paul UAP with Matt Laszlo following this stuff up on the ground in Washington some of the summarizations of what Matt's put together is a setback in the oversight efforts recent UAP related briefings have been postponed whistleblowers are hesitant to testify and the planned public hearings been cancelled which we know the NDAA UAP disclosure push is happening so we know Eric Burleson is working with Senator Mike Rounds to incorporate a UAP disclosure provision into the NDAA they still believe this could be transformative and I know you're going to go over that stuff Dan this is the UAP Schumer Rounds amendment the UAP Disclosure Act which is now going on to its third attempt at being pushed through I'm lucky maybe yeah yeah maybe maybe not Burleson's been optimistic about it there's a new House Intelligence Committee chair representative Rick Corford who is not Mike Turner who hated the topic and obviously got the last ones thrown out roundly also on those interviews David Grush and Arrow were mentioned Burleson confirms that he and David Grush have met with Arrow separately this year talked about past refusals by Grush to meet with Arrow director Sean Kirkpatrick Burleson saying it was due to lack of trust not evading Arrow and that was something that was brought up you know Sean Kirkpatrick and co saying they wanted to meet Grush and they gave him the options and Grush was avoiding them but then and that's something you know Tim Phillips may have alluded to on or off the air with people around David Grush but if David Grush doesn't feel he can go to those folks and we heard plenty of examples of of people who did was it Robert Salas who released the recording of his interview with Arrow yeah and he felt you know he wasn't listened to well he was listened to but they weren't really caring his testimony went nowhere he wasn't too enamored with what happened at the time so you could kind of understand that can can or would Grush testify again or do you feel that he could he absolutely could I feel like it might be pointless unless he's got anything more to add like those bits of evidence or proof but it would be interesting to get a Grush Redux right after they've actioned a bunch of that tech that information that he's given them and other people have given them to bring him back and say okay this is what we found even if it's what I can't remember who said it in the last hearing but they said that they followed up and didn't find anything and as of yet but even if it was that to Grush Grush got to respond to that comment I think that would be worth something yeah even even Grush going through like various comments and actionables and saying I said this here's what happened or what didn't happen to kind of clear his side of things up would be potentially interesting Jay Stratton that we talked about multiple times Jay Stratton formerly UAP task force leader is one of the guys in the background of so much stuff that's happened over the last kind of decade or two and he had tweeted that I support the historic Barry Partison UAP Disclosure Act led by Senator Rounds and Senator Schumer this legislation endeavours to give the public long overdue transparency on what the US government knows about UAP it's an essential next step towards disclosure not just for the American people but for all of humanity and then to show your support please sign the petition UAPDA.org I'll put the link for that in the description as well folks you'll be familiar with the website and stuff if you listened to the show before for UAP Disclosure Act on the petition I just wanted to throw in there that over the past couple of days I've seen to the stars and Tom DeLonge pushing the petition a lot which is to millions of people right they have so many followers and it's probably the biggest kind of marketing push that it's getting so I'm hoping a lot of people are signing it what are the numbers on the petition have you seen them oh I've not I've not signed yet because I only saw the link before I will I'm not too sure get all the kids involved so yeah not a euphemism for cocaine of course as many folks will know Charlie so yes from there Dan do you want to cover the UAP Disclosure Act stuff that's a lot better detail for folks so today we're told that the Citizens for Disclosure organization headed by Danny Sheehan that last night they said that the UAPDA is not being included this year however Burleson says that they're working on it with Senate around so it hasn't been decided however there are three provisions in a bill numbered S2296 that was put forward by the Senate Armed Services Committee for the NDAA and there are three little bits of UAP legislation none of them are very big so don't get too excited if you want to go make a cup of coffee and just hearing this in the background this is the moment I think so one of the requirements is that Arrow are currently required to do twice yearly briefings to Congress in the future according to this language they're going to be required to include North American Aerospace Defense Command and United States Northern Command reports in their briefings the first such briefing shall cover all anomalous intercepts since January 1st 2004 so they're going way back with I think it's NASIC isn't it how you say it but yeah they're going way back and it's going to be a big repository of data coming in so that could be interesting the other one two or three the Arrow director within 180 days of enactment is to and I quote issue a consolidated security classification guidance matrix for programs relating to unidentified anomalous phenomena in order to support increased reporting on unidentified anomalous phenomena events by ensuring individuals members of the armed forces and other federal employees have adequate understanding of the constraints constraints they would be under when they would be under when reporting or discussing such event so basically guidelines for the people that are working in the U.S. military and various organizations to come forward so they understand what they're going to be doing and what's required of them then we have section 1561 which is a revision on an existing law that revision initially required all intelligence all of the intelligence community and the Department of Defense components to provide UAP data immediately to Arrow and to the National Air and Space Intelligence Center whereas they're changing it a little bit the revision adds the requirement that such transmission of data occur in a manner that protects intelligence sources and methods so they're saying just in a obscure way and it removes the requirement for reporting such data to NASIC so essentially saying Arrow is the only place that's heading up this UAP kind of stuff NASIC is going to now pass this stuff to Arrow and remove reporting requirements that were kind of out of sync with those stated those stated by Arrow initially so it's just a bit of clean up really there's nothing big there they're not saying they're going to go kick doors down of the Air Force or anything it's really pithy stuff but welcome back from making a coffee if that's what you choose to do yeah quick coffee um thank you for that Dan um the devil is in the detail and folks like to know that stuff definitely in terms of the the UAP Disclosure Act the bigger picture then um I hadn't seen the update from Sheehan from last night but they don't expect it to be at all involved in in this year's NDA no according to Sheehan and that group it's a done deal that it's not going to be going forward this year that that doesn't disappoint me like and not that I'm excited that it's not in I'm just like it's a little bit like Arrow are releasing a new report okay like it sure I've seen them before but like you say third time's a charm with this um the the two big elements of this the eminent domain is a little bit of I don't know a red herring it's just it's not necessary because it's part of the whole constitution stuff in the US anyway um and that is essentially folks again if you're newer to this eminent domain is they can go and kick down doors and get stuff back from private contractors or whatever that may be alien bodies tech all that kind of stuff but they can do that anyway or at least I imagine they would have you know they could proper James Bond it and just put in secret agents and spies and shit to go and get that stuff yeah I'm sure it's I'm sure there's is it fair to say Dan there would be stuff happens across the political spectrum that isn't done via red tape and due process and with the signatures of paper and shit just gets done clandestinely under the cover of darkness there's a public face for politics and there's a behind the doors face I mean proper mission impossible style shit like yeah oh you've got 100% that yeah if you die you die we don't know who you are essentially this is what Jake Barber claims he was doing right like he would be one of the guys in that pool and he wouldn't be the only guy in that pool he would have had support guys with guns with him uh co-pilot an helicopter someone that went down and strapped the egg in to be picked up it so many different personnel would be involved in this yeah um so are you thinking it's not going to go through it doesn't really change anything though I yeah I would agree with that it's not going to go through we're in the same place that we've been um I think the hearings are probably our best bet especially after hearing Ross interview uh Senator Rounds and hearing Rounds say well we're not putting the language in because we know more we're pouring it in because we want this piece of legislation if it passes to be able to say yeah if if anything was going to come out it would have come out after that legislation passed there's nothing there that that was his kind of talking on it um so yeah I'm I'm not going to be too disappointed and and also it's kind of I'm going to use a rugby analogy but Wales in rugby have just played like 18 games on the trot and just lost everyone by the time you get to game 10 you're not disappointed in the loss anymore right they did just win so congratulations to them but I imagine like if Rangers are on a shit playing streak you're not going to be disappointed by a loss uh after five losses you're just going to be like more of the same all right shrug see you next week you know I get that and and just to round off on on that particular section Eric Burleson on News Nation um came across in a segment very frustrated at the lack of transparency um on the Epstein stuff that is clearly dominating the news and I kind of have to bring this up because it's relevant no one cares about that John I'm kidding I know yeah um this guy Jeffrey Epstein so um like I say not going to and I I said to you before recording Dan um I do get of the I don't get any numbers but the multitude of listeners to this podcast or watchers to this podcast most just watch or listen and don't get in touch or interact or if they do it's pleasant and stuff but I got like one message to say that they felt the last episode got a little bit political I don't remember it getting political one because I don't care either side of the political spectrum genuinely folks and I say this all the time US UK I don't give a flyer okay um I think I've done a Trump impression about the spheres maybe but um the relevancy here is that the Epstein stuff is dominating the news right now um actually to the point in the UK that we don't see much reported on the wars anymore that are going on around various different areas of the globe because and even on social media my my feed has changed on social media from multiple different conflicts that were going on to nothing but Epstein so when we have said before that the toothpaste could go back in the tube and all that kind of thing there's stuff that could come along and distract people people are talking about the Epstein stuff um and even it seems to have frustrated folks and and you know that the Republican Party again I'm not going to get folks I don't particularly care um but Burleson seemed frustrated at this whereas Luna seems to be backing the party and I say that because he got asked by the news anchor do you think we're going to get the answers first the UFO questions you're asking or the Epstein files Burleson gave a bit of a non-answer but he cited he was frustrated because they were so close to the Epstein stuff and it got walked back this for me seems to have split the party a bit and I don't know is that going to have an impact then on people who were working together on the UFO UAP stuff because it was bipartisan Democrats and Republicans working together fantastic for all of us on the outside of the US hoping you do that and then it seems to be there's a little bit of an issue now amongst the Epstein stuff in the party is that going to have a knock-on effect or can they put that aside to discuss UFOs I don't know but it's certainly taking the attention away from it whether that's a good thing or a bad thing I don't know but I'm guessing time will tell I mean you know this Epstein stuff just makes me think of we had that thing with the binders a while back where supposedly they were being transparent you know what was in those binders if it wasn't everything including the list and things like that and like you say that conversation is by the by people are having that conversation now but it does dent trust for the UFO stuff right but then on the other hand maybe if Trump wanted to distract from this he'd release some UFO stuff it's a good time we always get told you know I get messages from people saying ignore the UFO stuff it's it's a distraction from what Trump's doing and I'm like it's been going since 2017 it's not a new thing you know so not very good distraction if that's what it is but maybe this will be an opportunity I don't know like you say time will tell I hope that was politically neutral yeah that's just that again um I am I am neither on the side of the left or the right I don't care I just like talking about UFO stuff and that was relevant because it has distracted from it um so yeah the Ross Coulter follow-up uh Dan very briefly um we talked about this a lot in the last one Ross Coulter's comments around the tic-tacs origin being Lockheed Martin human tech all got everyone talking and riled up um for various different reasons um and just to read what happened on the follow-up on his NewsNation Q&A um the the producer Megan had asked him so you recently mentioned the tic-tac was a producer manufactured by Lockheed Martin but you never mentioned if it was under autonomous flight or piloted here are some quotes from Ross then in that episode that's a good question and I'll be honest with you I don't know for sure I've been told previously that when tic-tacs you see one of the other things I want to clarify here as well as there are NHI tic-tacs a lot of people seem to be thinking I'm suggesting that all tic-tacs are Lockheed Martin that's not the case at all what I was told and I'm reasonably sure that this is the case is that the tic-tac was being operated or is that tic-tac was being operated by Lockheed Martin and it's conceivable that that was being operated neuromeditatively or psionically by a human psionic which is what I understand is the way that these retrieved non-human craft are being operated Ross then says goes on to say it's not clear to me though whether this is a craft that was built by Lockheed Martin or whether it is Lockheed Martin testing the use of neuromeditative signaling as our friends at Skywatcher called it to operate one of these craft I just can't answer that question specifically all I can do is tell you what I've been told by my multiple sources what sources which is that the operation of the tic-tac was being controlled on the day by Lockheed Martin it's it's tough isn't it like Ross has changed the word categorically which he repeated twice he said like categorically no categorically that the tic-tac is Lockheed he's now changed that to reasonably sure which is just such an about face um and to be honest like for me I'll just say it I have trouble taking his word for things now because I don't feel like he he's measured in the way he speaks he'll say things like categorically when he means reasonably sure and they're just they don't mean the same thing not even close that's like saying maybe and definitely it's like had had he said maybe in the first place no one would have cared no one would be talking about this it would have just been a thing that went by and that would be it but now everyone's talking about it because he misspoke and that gets a little red flag from me there have been other folks that have had a lot of issues I would say have been worse than that in the last year multiple times so yeah across the topic is that a larger issue that because we're getting people making multiple mistakes that I would say are worse than that and you know what I mean um it's just we can say we're talking about the ufo photo show right like that example no no no I'm yeah I'm talking about the venom movie that came out uh with the no yeah so the the irrigation photos that like lo Elizondo held up that that was poor um and the chandelier stuff really poor um but is it just a case of then when someone who is seen to champion the topic makes a mistake it's jumped on and again rightly or wrongly there's a frustration that for a lot of folks Ross Coulter is a real credible go-to source of information and like to be fair from all you said really there was Ross misspoke and I'm trying to be on the fence here and let just generally get the opinion is it unfair that people are jumping down his throat or again is it we expect so much of him that he should have been more careful or do you think maybe perhaps Ross has just reflected on it and it's hard to know without Ross coming out and saying this I've not I imagine this is the kind of stuff Bryce would probably Bryce Zabel would follow up with when they they chat again um because Bryce can be quite good for kind of grilling Ross which Ross will appreciate he does that as a journalist to people himself um so I'd love to speak to Ross on it I've not been able to to get a hold of him to get him on yet um but for me um it was it looks like just poor use of language or he believed that and then has he been spoken to again you need to you can only speculate on it has he been spoken to afterwards and told oh such and such has told you this however maybe consider this and it's given him a little bit more information I don't know but it's really hard but Ross came forward and said what he said based on the information he's got he's protecting sources but that's his choice then isn't it to to not say that or say it and if you're going to come out and say something and say but I can't tell you how I can't tell you why I can't give you more context you're you're always going to leave stuff open to to interpretation and speculation um so so in some ways I'd say it's similar to that irrigation photo right like you're putting something up someone's told you something about it and you're making making a statement but like for me I judge all these things separately you know Louis Lou Ross is Ross just on so forth this isn't the first time Ross has done this now you know when January we got the doors are going to be blown wide open and then Skywatcher happened and the doors categorically categorically the real meaning of the word weren't blown wide open um and so like you say I want to hear from Ross about why it's changed that something caused him to change his mind or is he just so clumsy with his language that he said categorically twice within five seconds to emphasize it and was just not like I think saying he misspoke I'm being very generous like he he said it and then he doubled down on it several times um and and so I I think his reputation in the community is kind of becoming a little bit dented because people expect more you know like you said they expect more so so I I would like to see this cleared up by Ross instead of just washed over and ignored and you know him telling people to go suck eggs and watch the Kardashians I I think it would do him a lot of good to be a bit more transparent about why he said what he said and why he's changing it now do people outside the community care no absolutely not this is just for the community right and that's it so again you're pandering to the minority to sit on the fence and be devil's advocate as I like to be a dick about but if I'm looking at it from both sides simple question for me to Ross if Ross said to me cool you can ask me one question it would be okay what changed yeah and just have him explain it because it might be completely reasonable but he also might not be able to I realize I don't want to yep and talking of fuck ups um I made one in the previous episode that I would like to correct right now and I think there's a talking point about it um that that I'd like to ask you about so basically last episode I said that Dave Fravor worked for Lockheed so he would categorically no I got my wires crossed a little bit someone challenged me on it I went digging and found the clip um where I got this idea from so I'm just going to run through that now uh in in an episode of weaponized not too long ago Jeremy Corbell relays a quote from commander David Fravor uh from when they were talking about what's called passage material which is basically trying to influence people with things that isn't true and Jeremy said even commander Fravor where they're trying to convince him that Lockheed Martin had some sort of similar technology to what he saw he laughed he's like if people knew my job right now they would know that I know it's not true so it was just he said it to me as an alert have you seen this before I said I have do you understand what's happening commander and Dave goes I do so that's the that's the context of you know what I was saying uh Dave Fravor apparently told Cobell that he would know um and so I ended up in a place where I'm like where could Dave Fravor work where he would know that categorically that Lockheed doesn't have this stuff locked away and to me it only makes sense for him to have access to that information if he works a lot in Lockheed uh apparently though he does not uh I'm told it is private aerospace um but uh Pavel who people would have met on here a few breakdowns ago he he set him for one great dude he's got a show called psychoactive where he went into this a bit um and he said that he had a source that shared that Dave doesn't work for Lockheed so how would Dave know I I don't I can't get my head around that quote careful of the use of the word categorically um because yeah sure probably maybe yeah I don't know and I think this is again it goes back into that as you peel the layers of the onion I mentioned earlier these folks being involved with each other you then find out that such and such has a friend who works here oh this person's actually done some work for this company and it's really easy to be like for example Dave Grush Dave Fravor whoever had a six-month contract at that company and you go ha must have been UFO related well so not necessarily they got a job because they needed cash and it pays for meals and family stuff and holidays and yeah they took a job not thinking well Lockheed Martin just deal with UFO stuff you don't know what it was or why but optics there's a look to it isn't there um which is yeah and yeah I mean we already know as well like from when Tim Phillips did the rounds on interviews where he said that DARPA did come and take Databricks off the off the Princeton um and Dave Fravor before us mocked those guys who said that that happened and said that he was so high ranking on those in that carrier group that he wouldn't know if someone came on and took the Databricks well they did and Dave didn't know so he could just be wrong here as well so I was drugged to hang my hat on that and to be categoric about it so you know a little transparency it goes a long way but to the greater point I don't know anyone in this topic outside of myself who always gets it right um so so yeah um and only myself because I don't tend to say much like that and sit on the fence with everything and try and look at both sides which is why I don't get much wrong because I don't have to say much right um but no no one's infallible at all so it just depends where your allegiances lie where your your line is for tolerance for mistakes and that's different for everyone across the board a hundred percent and and I think it depends how long people have been in the subject as well because we've said before like you know one of my own ramps for this was Greer whereas I'm almost 180 on my opinion of Greer now um and so you know someone could have just found Ross and that's the first thing they hear from him you know everyone's in different places I like you used that 180 phrasing correctly a lot of people use that wrong people say oh I've done a total 360 on that and it's like what they meant is a 180 um so they could kill us uh one yeah one you have not seen Dan uh Gary Nolan Dr. Gary Nolan has just been on the Jordan B. Peterson podcast um pretty big platform to be on Jordan Peterson's known for being uh quite conservative views all that kind of stuff um but he's had a UFO guy on um quite interesting um I'll very quickly run through Dan some of the talking points but um for those who don't want to watch it because of who it is don't have time to watch it or um if you can I recommend it the first 38 minutes is a background on Gary his scientific work and all the great stuff he does with immunology and his cancer work and everything like that which is if you've not heard that before very interesting conversation and it's very much Gary talking for the most part in this interview and I think it sets a really good foundation for for millions of people who are going to see and hear this podcast who aren't aware of Gary Nolan who are seeing it's about UFOs to hear how credible an individual Gary Nolan is and I appreciate I'm I'm talking about this from a scientific and academic background but it does for many people validate someone's opinion when they are so highly qualified in one or many particular arenas to then have the UFO conversation off the back of it and something I think is done very very well across the full hour and a half an extra half hour of content too is Gary Nolan frames things very well before he makes a pretty explosive statement or or shares an opinion or hypothesis he's built to it really well he's not just making sensationalist claims that I think would turn people off so that's that's done exceptionally well throughout and he mentioned his first proper intro into the topic was offering to help with the Atacama mummy stuff done and the little mummy that was about 12 or 15 years ago now and that interestingly Jordan Peterson thought they were talking about the Peru mummies the Nazca mummies from the last year or two and which a lot of people mix those up 100% yeah so I think in that sense I was like oh that's pretty interesting that that was his initial go-to but Nolan says to him no it was 12 years ago and he said that whole incident led to someone from an aerospace company coming to him to asking asking him to look for help looking at scans of damage done to folks who have been in close proximity to UFOs later found out it was largely people who had been exposed to technology related to Havana syndrome likely for an adversarial adversaries employing microwave energy to cause illness he said after that was found out though that it left them with a small number of oddities of the hundred or so cases around five or six were truly anomalous which I think in terms of UFO speak I think a lot of folks would probably look at out of a hundred sightings five or six may be truly anomalous misidentifications star link spinning stars all that kind of stuff um so I thought that was pretty interesting um no one talked about uh the national someone from the national cancer center telling him telling him he's going to ruin his career talking about UFOs uh Nolan thought this was a terrible attitude for a scientist to have and he sounded more like a priest um and I actually thought Jordan Peterson made a really good point here that um there are there aren't many scientists around but a lot of folks who act out the role of a scientist and I think from a layman's perspective like mine being involved in a UFO topic that's always something I've mentioned Dan to you and others on here that has frustrated me that so many scientists turn a blind eye why aren't they more curious or interested in what is an incredibly fascinating question and subject you know it's like if someone suggests the idea that oh we could shrink this school bus and put it into the bodies of people and have children taken around by a teacher around the human body anatomy park style magic school bus style um and that's how they're going to learn biology rather than go that's impossible why is it why isn't there a scientist going and I'm using an extreme example here folks I get it but why isn't there someone going yeah let's try that let's work on it where are those people um Nolan brings up working with Jacques Vallée and he mentions he's his mentor uh Vallée's thinking about you know is this potentially this phenomenon some manifestation of the human psyche or some other type of entity not necessarily extraterrestrial which I think is a good way to introduce that to that audience he um I'll skip some of that stuff uh Jordan Peterson asks him why he has derived E.T. as the most likely conclusion and immediately Gary Nolan starts shaking his head before he's even finished a sentence and says no I didn't say that and Peterson straight away goes no no you didn't that that's right you didn't say that and I think that's really important that the conversation for me a lot of folks may have just left that there and let him have that and no I have never said and I'm not saying this is extraterrestrial um and for me that's why I like when I'm on any other platform if it's a radio show someone else's podcast whatever it might be I like to discuss different ideas and it's not just E.T. flying saucer other planets just to get people thinking a little bit differently and grab their attention sky watcher I think is going to be some of the the more interesting stuff people will listen to here that maybe gives them a little bit of an update on on sky watching in general because Gary Nolan mentions he is still a part of sky watcher which is good to hear because like I mentioned earlier Dan Gary had said in the past that folks um if he felt there was any kind of moral issue to being involved with sky watcher or they wanted to shoot down craft um Gary Nolan would walk and not have any involvement with them but that doesn't seem to be the case so that seems to be a good thing does he comment on because I know before he's been in some episodes of what they put on YouTube but one of the results from from watching those for me was like how deeply is Gary involved with them what does he do with them um is it like a day-to-day does he comment on that so he doesn't comment I I don't believe it's day-to-day anyway just from various different interviews he's done in in general however um interestingly he mentions that and this is to answer your question there he mentions that part of what sky watcher do and have done are to do with measuring drone technology including adversarial their own technology how drones can and may operate um he says regarding the drone flap in New Jersey sky watcher was there and could a better mind I've watched this once and I was taking notes but he said sky has said this as well yeah cool um and confirmed that many of them were certainly human drones and human technology but some moved in ways which were harder to explain which cool um I like that's that's one of those things where I just want to hear more about it like yeah what ways can you show us the data like how is it is it completely beyond a drone to move in that way or is it just really advanced tech like what were we talking about I I I just got the gut impression he meant that that it's really advanced tech and I think we've kind of heard that from other folks recently as well um uh he said and I like this he talked about don't ignore the anomalies and he mentions almost every single Nobel prize in physics and biology were won because someone followed the anomaly and I like that he talks about the data a lot but again he gives some wonderful framing around it um he mentions uh these these notes are a bit haphazard here folks but again you should go and watch it um he mentions that there is a signal that an individual part of as part of sky watcher determined when in the military that when it's released an electromagnetic sequence is is put off in a direction and these objects show up so we know of the frequency the dog whistle I think he means James Fowler I don't think he means Jake Barber I think Fowler's the one who's came up with that stuff it looks like I'm not sure but he didn't name names um he says and this is what I think a lot of the community will be interested in this and the folks listening and watching this Dan and yourself he says the stuff that's on Twitter or X isn't good enough in his opinion in terms of being data or evidence however more recent data collected with better sensors and equipment as of a far higher quality so that's stuff that I think we're hoping we're going to see in the near future um that'll pull back some of those lapsed sky watcher fans we could perhaps call them um or the fence hitters I'm a fence hitter so like I want I want to be in their field with them looking up at these things but uh I just need more so sounds like it's coming I say a lot that I play devil's advocate and I sit in a fence stand I sit in a very comfortable fence a wide fence with a nice berth that I can swing around not one of those but it's right up your arse yeah and not one of those um Peterson asks him just to start finishing off if he can talk about what he makes of all of this what does Gary Nolan make of this phenomenon um Gary Nolan says a few interesting statements here towards the end he says that there is something non-human here and that it's been here for a long time and this is the kind of stuff I think folks on that podcast will take away he says at the right time towards the end of the recording um he mentioned something can be here and he says I'm not 100% comfortable with sightings of biological beings because they look a little bit too much like us from a genetics point of view he talks how there's more than enough data and evidence um and I've got here there's a note Dan that it's sad as a species given to be Gary Nolan's talking I would hope other academics and scientists watching and this is partly what Sol are there for and Sol are hoping to do we can't get together and properly fund a scientific exploration of all of this independently multinational over a decade and try and get to the answer to some of these questions it's so split up it's just a thought that came um he Gary Nolan also mentions uh one I think that helps one that covers the bases for those who are looking for a little bit more conspiracy stuff but you know it's a fact he says I did get a phone call from somebody representing the White House because I was talking about something a little too on the edge and they said you need to just shut up Gary now he wouldn't go into what it was but you know he mentioned it had that um he says yeah it's a really interesting statement isn't it because I mean who in the White House could be anyone right it could be just someone in the administration it could be a civil servant it could be a janitor a secretary but it also speaks to you know you and I here right if we're talking and I say something completely by chance that turns out to be true about the phenomena that I'm meant not to not meant to know what no one is I don't think I would get a call from the White House to tell me to shut up because you know I'm just a lowly podcaster right Gary has a bit more weight as an academic so that could bring up a flag to be like no he's reputable he might be convincing people of this but on the other side like why not just let him say it like it's that Streisand effect right you know where they when people get news removed from the internet and then people talk about the fact it's removed from the internet so more people find out about it than would have initially heard about it um I feel like now people are going to be asking Gary well what did you say that made them call you and stuff like that let me get to another point then uh one thing he says before that because he's a chronological he says earth is probably somebody else's property you know again again not saying he's saying these things for the first time or he's he's coming up with these thoughts originally he's saying this on a huge platform it's not a UFO platform if you go through the comments in the chat you've got some folks who are hearing this stuff for the first time and a lot of folks like oh you didn't expect to see this and Jordan B Peterson etc so um there is another 28 minutes of content on the Daily Wire platform I know a lot of folks in the US will know exactly what Daily Wire is there you go um I'll just say I've managed to get a hold of that content um and I've listened to and watched it for you folks some people who listen to this podcast will have access go and check it out it's like bonus content um Gary Nolan mentions that he has a top secret clearance now and that he wasn't just given it for the sake of it so again someone with a top secret clearance saying stuff close to the edge it's one thing you're saying it Dan but I imagine someone with a top secret clearance if I had a clearance that's a different matter right um even if you even if you had it when you said this there's not a timeline for it okay cool somebody who's even even if he says it before someone who is capable of having or a potential for a top secret clearance even just postulating and you know imagine Gary at one point just said oh you know maybe these non-human entities are coming through from a different dimension and these craft which are blah blah blah blah and somebody went oh that's that's that's pretty spot on let's you know shut up yeah especially oh yeah yeah no one gives a shit they come from the multiverse at the pinpoint of Florida in yeah you know and gives the coordinates that's something to tell someone shut up about so I wonder what he said I'd love to know just so you know I I dived in um earlier when you were saying about Gary saying the percentage of the cases was it what what was the percentage again remind me that he said like he said five or six out of a hundred five look at that okay so five or six percent then basically so I just went back to the blue book investigation files there were over 12 000 files um they explained about 9 700 of them um about 77 the unidentified cases and these aren't cases where they didn't have enough information these are cases where they had information and they couldn't identify the object yeah 701 cases that's about 5.6 percent so pretty much bang on yeah um the other thing I wanted to add is Gary's quote there uh the earth is uh is somebody else's property that's interesting that's uh something that Charles Ford said Charles Ford if people aren't familiar was like an early 20th century writer and researcher known for collecting reports of anomalous phenomena he has a book called the book of the damned which I recommend everybody go read because he basically just argues like hey science is science there's data in the anomalies science has progressed because we studied those anomalies so we should take these cases seriously and we should look at them and collect them so that's his kind of stance great guy but he said this is the quote from the book of the dam from 1919 Charles Ford said I think we're property I should say we belong to something that once upon a time this earth was no man's land the other worlds explored and colonized here and fought amongst themselves for possession but that now it's owned by something pretty provocative I I he didn't have any clearances or anything but could be the I wonder the screen role in the start of a movie that comes up you know like star wars style right that's something never left and then it's like um yeah so on the bonus content it talks about skywatcher a little bit more because peterson's quite keen to get into more of that he says um regarding this signal the dog whistle I'm presuming he means um they can film the sky for days with nothing and then they send a signal and within a certain period of time these things show up something I've never seen or heard and I don't even know if they would go into is I wonder what that period of time is you know like flicking that switch is it is it within the hour is it seconds is it minutes is it like half a day you know they put it on and then these things appear and even then the idea that are they pointing the signal and quite is it quite a narrow signal is it like they point at a point of the sky or is it almost like if you could visualize it like a laser pen type you know bang it's there yeah if it's a laser pen or whether it's like a cell phone tower right and it just yeah all directions more of a net that would be interesting to know more of um they talk about the object filmed on the high frame rate camera I mentioned earlier um Nolan said the simplest explanation for him is that something that's been here a long time ago came here from somewhere else a long time before that and it's been here a long time basically sorry um he says if a life form so advanced was watching us now um we would be the least of their concerns they're probably watching us and seeing us as they were billions of years ago so it's like meh like um they they talk about two years ago the sensor systems being changed and opened up to try and spot more uap and they found the chinese spy balloons that closed a loophole but you know what else could they find or do you find when you you change the sensor suites with the us thought you know we've got this great system and we can find everything in the sky and they actually realize you're missing these really obvious balloons so there's a whole chat around the kind of sensor system side of things sure peterson really really close to the end talks about dmt research and users of dmt yeah coming into contact with beings from other dimensions he asked no one about that a little bit um and they talk about like the machine elf stuff but it's very very short um he talks about oh that's a shame because that that's very much like peterson's bag is to talk about like yeah christianity religion how that was influenced by dmt and drugs and substances and he i i used to be a real big fan of peterson and i'm surprised to see nolan go on here but i imagine it was a really potent conversation yeah um he asked no one about it i i missed about a minute and a half right and the kids were in from school and they were running about um they somehow from that start talking about grush and him finding out about the illegalities that were going on that it was not necessarily all about where's the ufos and where are the craft but it was the transfer and use of funds inappropriately that he came out to say not that ufos don't exist but they were being used as a smoke screen and that's how that whole conversation got started um and he says look if anyone says there's no evidence involved in the ufo topic that's worth looking at they haven't took five minutes just to look at it um and he finished recommending two books uh because peterson's genuinely really interested he's like actually this is you can tell he's found that interest and he's took a lot in and he says um passport to magonia from jack valet and robert powell's ufos and government historical inquiry that's what he that's a fairly new one right is that a fairly new one robert powell's one passport to magonia is obviously a little old yeah um i'll double check but yeah i'm fairly sure robert powell's one is new i haven't got around to that one yet myself but passport to magonia is a great book i find it a little dry but it is very data heavy and that's why so it's a great read if you're interested in this uh in this phenomena at 20 2012 2012 oh 2012 okay sure i i know that he's still releasing books so i wasn't sure if it was a new one it's still a hell of a lot more recent than passport to magonia like yeah in that in that sense yeah um not as recent as atlas of ufos folks which is available for pre-order now um but yeah who wrote that what is that no one important uh gary nolan didn't mention it on peterson raging absolutely furious uh that's so rubbish yeah um not on his radar obviously yet send him a copy yeah um so i'll give him one at the soul thing in october uh if anyone's going nice one of the books just in case you tuned in right at that one of the books um but listen ultimately i thought it was an interesting conversation uh i know all these different platforms can be divisive personally i like to listen to all kinds of people in all different platforms sure so i don't have a echo chambered uh opinion on stuff so but i'm quite comfortable i know not everyone is hearing folks i disagree with in various different um ways and shapes and forms um because they're not always wrong on ufos i want to hear about ufos here so well absolutely i think jordan peterson is one of these guys he's become kind of controversial in that like manosphere podcast kind of thing um but he's talking about ufos here right like like i say i used to be a fan i'm not anymore i'm gonna go watch this because i want to hear what he gets out of gary about ufos so i'm sure it'll be interesting he's a very good interviewer it's the same with rogan right like you might not agree with his politics but he has interesting guests and if you want to know more and ask questions like carl pelkington would in the uk that's the place to go like he's a good interviewer yeah um got him long form so yeah good stuff um beautifully produced i've got to say as well quality was really good on the the cameras i thought so yeah um i like to see people on these different types of platforms really appreciated seeing that interview on there um dan just to finish off a couple of small bits of news before some questions um that mufon symposium it began on the 17th of july and it runs until the 20th of july in cincinnati cincinnati ohio um it's being live streamed and the it's 99 for like the four days one of the the big uh appeals one of the big things they're trying to to really sell it on as a mufon symposium exclusive material analysis of a 2023 unknown fragment taken from a private residential room in moscow russia uh claiming its material of unknown origin um i'll chat about this next week once we've got it i think it's going to be uh over the weekend you're going to see this personally not holding out a lot of hope for this being anything massive or interesting i think if mufon had something big here um it would be done through different channels and routes um but i'd like to think it's something maybe i mean it's definitely purported to be something right that's needed testing so they have taken something and they have tested it for me if they came out and just said like look this was nothing we tested it it was nothing that would be a great example to set because it's still important that we find out about these things and take these things off the plate but at the same time it's not very good marketing right for next year if they're like yeah they just pretended that it was anomalous and then told it was it wasn't uh so i'm curious to see how they're going to play it i i hope it's not like you know those nascar mummies have been uh where it's just been all over the place and it's hard to make heads or tails even to the point where people are mixing up different sets of mummies now uh so yeah i look forward to it they they say they're scientifically led i know uh it all was great rest in peace all yep uh but uh they vary depending on who's in who the investigator is for mufon and stuff so i'm i'm curious and especially now i'm stateside because i'm looking to be like oh i could actually get involved in mufon now i'm over here you know thank him and if if you're not into that then you can hear about starseeds over the weekend as well cool yeah not my thing but i know some folks like it um that's what a starseed would say and 99 bucks you know it's a lot of money to some to others not so much it depends what you value um so yeah uh for four days of content you could potentially check that one out i'll be chatting about it next week though and i'm sure you'll see plenty of it posted online um a freebie that's dropped on youtube is james fox's the phenomenon dan now available for free with ads which is fair um on on youtube so folks haven't caught the phenomenon from when it came out um i'll go back and watch again at some point pretty soon i've got some stuff to catch up on first um but yeah is the program up yet is james gonna get that one up there too um i imagine so i don't think it's available yet uh but obviously james fox had a lot of issues with distribution the last couple of years and got shafted um by folks still available to buy a rent hold on wait we're gonna have to fact check ourselves in real time here so i just went on to james's page just to see if the program was available and he's saying that the program is available on youtube so i have to ask you have we just mixed those two up now have i just got the wrong one um yes um i have almost definitely mixed those up and written the phenomenon instead of the program but um i'm not wrong because the phenomenon is available on youtube uh and has been for some time um cool so they're both up there now so great double bill the program james fox and and just double checking dan is definitely before i um i'm not gonna edit this out people don't expect yeah no well this is the difference right we can be transparent that we're not always perfect i think that's important yeah the program just went live on youtube so spot on folks there you go even better treat yourself to double bill um but yeah i think it's not the worst time to look back on stuff like that either uh given hearings coming up in a few months it's good preparation and whatnot um and dan there was a fire at area 51 which got people talking over the last couple of days um doesn't look like anyone was injured which is good but i don't know if we would necessarily hear that it was something i seen someone say it was like a gothic gothic facility or something it was called i don't think they had goths in there folks um just the cure just the side steps ranges uh yeah the gothic fire broke out 10 days ago near the big dome mountain it was a wildfire that just got a little bit out of control um but it's within heavily restricted military airspace and land close to the public so yeah it's um over area 51 it got a lot of folks talking you know i i joked online did something get out you know and you would you know you wouldn't you wouldn't at all i just i just threw it into chat gpt just to see what it's saying and uh it said it began with a lightning strike which is very convenient isn't it start of an aj hartley tom delong novel oh yeah absolutely absolutely again with a lightning strike at area 51 yeah um or what people knew as area 51 uh so yeah dan fire through some questions that is all for part one part two will be out in the next couple of days you can listen to this episode already in full ad free and with no sponsors for less than the price of a coffee if you head on over to patreon or apple 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