BX | Satanic Accelerationism: Digital Predators, 764, & Order Of Nine Angles

Monsters almost surely have a plan. There's clearly maybe something there beyond the realm of man. And until we... All right, Hireside Chatters, it's the end of the world as we know it. And actually, with what I've been getting into this week, I don't feel all that fine. But from the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood. And those without the luxury of ignorance and naivete have understood for a long time that centralized groups and locations designed for children can often become victim pools or targets for predators looking to exploit and abuse vulnerable youths. Daycares, scout troops, playgrounds, summer camps, youth groups, Sunday schools, orphanages, and adoption agencies have all found themselves letting the foxes in the henhouse many times when these supposedly safe spaces weren't being carefully guarded, sometimes or even set up for these purposes in mind. And in the digital age, many parents and guardians have sadly let their guard down even more, assuming that the damage someone can do from a distance is much more limited. And there is a concerted effort by the big machine, always pushing us to live increasingly digital lives to hide just how dangerous these places are, from social media and communication platforms like Discord and Telegram, to gaming communities for kids' games like Roblox and Minecraft. And the dangers aren't always what you'd assume. In fact, sadly, they get much more creative. Well, today's guest goes by BX, and she's an independent investigator who started as a Twitch streamer and really started to see just firsthand how nasty these communities can be. But as she looked deeper into the places these predators and manipulators are congregating, it escalated into an investigation into something much more organized and calculated, which she calls satanic accelerationism, an ideology behind many different subgroups and nodes on a larger network of honeypot operations determined to exploit vulnerable young people, pump them up with satanic and violent imagery, and encourage them to carry out real-world violence with the goal of destabilizing the West through chaos. I've been following her work for a while now and have been completely blown away by just how deep and dark it gets. So let's get into it. The sundress-wearing, satanic accelerationist, educator, order of nine angles, exposer, and true champion of the people, BX. Welcome to the higher side. Wow. What an introduction. I appreciate that. You got it. That was very good. Very good. Ah, thank you. I try. I try. All part of the nine to five. And man, I'm just so thankful you were willing to do this with me. Your work is really amazing and fearless, and they have actually tried to come after you for this stuff, which is just crazy. The word has to get out as much as it can. And like you've said, we see these mass shooters and we wonder exactly where they come from. Their parents often have jobs that involve psychiatry or government contractors. We know vaguely that these people are getting spun up online, but they never really give out the details, probably on purpose. But I believe the big level jump for you came from interactions with a woman named Nassim Cates, who you refer to as a Hollywood actress turned fed adjacent, who produced a documentary on incels. I guess just tell us how a lot of this stuff started for you. Yeah. Nama Nama Cates, actually. She was an ex-Hollywood actress. She's in a few movies. Yeah. She took a weird turn at some point in the, like the 2020s, early 2020s, and started to kind of get into political activism, I guess. It looks like at some point she kind of joined up like maybe some think tanks, kind of, you know, government funded PACs. And that seems to be where she started to get into the incel world, probably as part of this, you know, countering violent extremism community, which isn't really as, you know, they take grants from the government, but it's definitely very politically motivated. And what I would call like, it's a very corrupt industry full of people who don't really want the truth. They want the, you know, they want their truth that they can put in fancy papers and make everybody think that this is what's going on. So I think that Nama started with good intentions within the incel community. But ultimately, I think that she was also corrupted by those, the same individuals. It's actually a really long, you know, I haven't really told that full story yet. It's actually pretty intense. She's still around. She disappeared for a while after having like a schizophrenic meltdown on Twitter. And now she's, as of recently, been coming back on alt accounts on Twitter, but she is fully schizo now. She believes that I'm a cross-dressing man who's also an actor who's been hired to gang stalk her family. So she has, she's gone, like, it's not, it's not fake. I thought for a while she was just playing an act so that she could disappear. But no, she seems unfortunately to be actually insane. And, you know, we don't have to go too deep into Nama Cates. Although I did look into her Hollywood resume. And I just thought it was curious because she has a surprising amount of content that these satanic violent people would actually like. I don't know if you've looked into this, but lots of plot lines about kidnapping and prostitution, just to give people a couple of titles here. Sorceress, This Girl's Gone, Eden, where a young Korean American girl is abducted and forced into prostitution by domestic human traffickers. Nothing sacred. A mother tells her twins that it is their fate to fulfill a secret prophecy. The prophecy foretold long ago that they would avenge her death by killing a dark sorcerer. Orgy of the damned about erotic vampires. And what stuck out to me is a short called Road to Moloch about soldiers in Iraq coming face to face with an ancient evil. Moloch comes up a lot in these kinds of conversations. But again, it's not really about her specifically, but it just seems like there's some kind of template here or pipeline here because the content of the resume certainly seems like the stuff these online communities would be consuming. So someone has to be producing it. Funny that she finds herself on both sides of the fence. It is funny. And, you know, when I got really into the incel, that was when so like, you know, you gave me a pretty good introduction already, but I had already been looking into like mass shootings. Really, that was my my big interest at the time. On the other hand, I'd also already exposed some child predator networks on like Twitch and YouTube. So I so I started to see pretty, pretty soon how those online communities merged and use the same tactics to sexually exploit kids as they do to groom and provoke kids to go commit, you know, terror, terrorism. And the reason that I found Nama in the first place is because she was involved with this, this online community of incels, this involuntarily celibate young men who've basically been blackpilled into believing that everything is corrupt in society. Nothing's wrong with them or everything's wrong with them, but it's society's fault. Right. And and it kind of gets into this, like grooming them to go rebel against society, you know, collapse the West. Why not? Why not go murder a bunch of women? Because, you know, that's the only way to actually get get your message out, kind of. So I started to see these these groomers in the incel forum made sense to me that like, oh, yeah, they would see that this group of dejected, sexually frustrated young men and target them because they're vulnerable. You know, they're already they're already at rock bottom. And so when I started talking to Nama about it, I saw that she knew a whole lot about this subject of accelerationism. And yet she really did seem to be defending that forum quite a bit until one day she just basically told me, well, it's just, you know, we want it to stay up as a fed honeypot, which to me now I understand what she meant by that wasn't that the feds are grooming kids in there. It's more like they're trying to to get all the fish in a barrel so that they instead of shutting it down and getting these kids help and, you know, because the whole point of her, you know, the NGOs that she worked for was supposed to be de-radicalization and trying to reintegrate these people into productive members of society. But it seemed like instead they were just protecting this forum full of dejected young men so that they could make arrests. I don't like that idea. I would rather solve the problem. Right. Who are these people? You know, and of course, when I first started this, to me, it was like, I'm the same as most people who really, really distrustful of the government and wondering if it could be possible that these were like feds that were in there provoking people. But over time, what I found was that I could find out who these people were. And I was able to actually identify some of these provocateurs. By and large, they were foreign. I would, I would say foreign terrorists from places like Eastern Europe are foreign allies who are trying to rile up these kids to go commit terror attacks. So the ones that I were able to identify all pretty much ended up being either foreign or domestic terrorists, for lack of a better word. And I just didn't understand why the government would, would focus on the kids who are being groomed, what were, they're not trying to stop these, these higher level people, which immediately led my brain to start conspiracy spinning, you know? Yes. However, as it turns out, over the course of a couple of years, we started to see those people getting arrested. They made a couple of really big arrests of these people I would consider, you know, provocateurs. And, and, you know, I started to understand a bit of the nuance behind it, especially in the U.S., being that we have a really high bar for freedom of speech. And it's technically not illegal to go groom a kid to commit a shooting unless you've provided some kind of material support, which in my opinion, there was a lot of evidence of that in some of these cases, right? Yeah. As we saw a recent DOJ indictment, they've been starting to indict these guys for terrorism offenses. And one of the ways they're doing that is by considering even like information and advice to be material support. If they're, if they're giving them a bomb making guide, for example, that is material support. And so we're seeing actually this new DOJ, we didn't see this two years ago. I will say that, but this DOJ, we're seeing them trying to apply a lot more creative charges to, to escalate it to terrorism, which is good. I think we're making progress. It's been a long, it's been a long road. Well, you are right that it is a slippery slope and it is nuanced. If I go back to one of my early interviews, it was with a journalist named Trevor Aronson, who wrote a book called the FBI's manufactured war on terror. And he would find all these cases, even like 10 years ago, where when he traced back the individual who was doing the mass violence or who was stopped from mass violence, it seemed like the FBI was setting people up, at least in some cases, setting them up to stop them, to then be like, look, our budgets are justified. Our jobs are justified. And some people even suggested that there's like a six to eight month cycle. Like when you get into the nuances of the business, there's always sometimes these patterns underneath where there's just like logistics are part of the job. And so he would find a pattern of every so often like clockwork, there'd be a new case. And sometimes they don't stop the people, you know, sometimes the people get a few shots off before the FBI really gets them. So it does get kind of crazy. And especially for like al-Qaeda, al-Qaeda and, and, you know, with these right wing extremists from like the PAC con era, we definitely have seen a lot. I mean, there's no reason for us to just blindly trust anything that any of our government institutions tell us. I would say, you know, the FBI definitely, but also just like the, you know, a lot of people focus on the FBI and pretend like Homeland Security doesn't exist. Whereas DHS is actually the department that's giving all these grants to these NGOs, like the one that Nama Cates was a part of, which in my opinion was not doing anything to significantly prevent anything from happening. In fact, it really did seem like it was just there. You know, I actually coined it. I don't think I coined this term. I think that it was Colin Powell or something who coined this term, but it's the, the NGO industrial complex. It really is. It's what it is, is like, you know, you have these, these groups that are, are set up to make money from the government, get grants from the government to prevent terrorism. But if they prevent terrorism too well, then they have no reason to exist and continue to make money. And so it seems like they set these things up like that. Like to me, this is what the incel forum was. It was like, it was a honeypot that was being kind of promoted. And, you know, I even found, man, my studies into the incel stuff really didn't get enough attention, honestly, because what I found there was like significant government grant fraud, in my opinion, almost like these researchers were intentionally putting out biased reports and incorrect reports to facilitate this. Look at how good of a job we're doing, you know, so that they could continue to get money year after year. And in the meantime, you're still, you still have this like community of young men that you're not actually helping. It's almost like you're just putting them there as lab rats to study. And then you're, and then you're, you know, then you're making strategic tips on certain individuals and, oh, look at these arrests we're making, but you're not trying to solve the underlying problem because there's no incentive to do that. You lose all your funding. That's like, I really just feel like that's something that's underexplored in like the conspiracy community, because we have a tendency to just be like the FBI's orchestrating all of these things. And over the years, I have worked, I've, I've worked with the FBI quite a bit. As a private citizen, I used to be the one of those people like the FBI's orchestrating everything. And now I'm like, holy shit, the FBI has no clue what's going on. Like they're actually completely incompetent. And I think that the idea of them on a wide scale orchestrating something like nefarious is, is absurd because they don't even, you know, they don't even talk to each other, the field offices. Of course you have the issues with like, you know, crooked handlers and crooked agents who do crooked things. I agree. So yes, this is all great setup. Let's get a little deeper into the ideology of satanic accelerationism. This is aimed at destabilizing the West through chaotic violence. And this is the ideology that fuels a lot of these actual groups that you're working to expose and break up the three that you mentioned most often, at least in your expose that, that I watched the five parts are the order of nine angles, which we've talked about before a little bit, but not really in this digital space. And then seven, six, four, and no lives matter. You know, these kinds of groups can be spun up a thousand times. It's infinite. How many groups can be spun up and put on telegram or suck people in from discord. But these three, just to get people started as a, as a, a guide, a template for how this all happens. Tell us about these three groups and how they connect, man, I could, I, and I probably will eventually write a book on this, this singular topic, but you know, uh, so the order of nine angles, just as a recap is, um, a UK, uh, UK based books founded in the UK back in the nineties, 1960s, I think by a man named David Myatt. He was a long-term national socialist in the UK around the time. Um, uh, you know, you mentioned kind of the facilitation of chaos and stuff. And, and the time that, uh, that, that Myatt was doing all of this was really around like the Gladio era, right? This like post-war era where, where the national socialists were trying to gain a foothold in, in various, uh, European countries, like, like the UK. And you had, uh, you know, this guy who was kind of feeling like, you know, he would never get anywhere with his national socialism activism. And then it kind of combines with the late sixties and in the rise of apocalyptic death cults. This is my theory. Of course, I preface all this by saying that there's not a lot of good information about the cult. A lot of even the, the official stuff that's come out. Uh, if you dig into it, you realize that their primary sources were actually David Myatt. And, uh, as we know, he's a propagandist and a liar, frankly, he lies quite a bit about the nature of this cult to make it seem spookier, to make himself seem more shadowy. So really when you pull the veil off, it is a really a wizard of Oz type of situation where it's just this little puny, weird hobbit looking guy. Um, you know, and he was really nerdy and you're like, this guy's not a sinister, spooky demon, right? He's just a weirdo from the UK. What he did was he tried to co-opt this like death cult movement to build a cult, to brainwash people into fighting for national socialism. This was his idea, right? To get people to believe in this, uh, this idea that there's dark gods and stargates, and there's the a causal realm where they live in the causal realm where we live. And that by doing these, uh, these sinister rituals, which really has to do, you know, he's like, we, we can do sinister evil rituals to open up the stargates, let the dark gods through so that they will eventually usher in the apocalypse. And then we'll be the only ones to survive, obviously. And we'll, uh, go on to colonize the Milky Way as a galactic imperium, right? It's so corny. It is so corny. And honestly, when you really get into it, it's all very derivative of other satanic movements that have been around. There's nothing really that original about it. Then he gets into like, well, how do we do these sinister acts? We infiltrate political organizations and try to influence them towards national socialism. And it becomes really obvious what he's doing, right? That he's trying to find these edgy, satanic cultist type of people and trying to get them to infiltrate political movements. To me, it's pretty obvious that this was never something that May had believed in, even though he's still online today on his alt accounts, like talking about the philosophicus lapicus or whatever, and labyrinthos mythologicos and being really nerdy and annoying. And then also denying that it's him. I'll, I'll, I'll tweet, he'll tweet to me, right? And I'll be like, Mr. Myak, like respectfully, can I ask this question and such and such? And he'll be like, thank you for the polite question, but I am not he. And it's so cheesy, dude. These guys are cornwalls. So that's the order of nine angles. It really didn't take off until the age of the internet though. Before, before the internet, it was really kind of like him mailing out flyers and propaganda, like just doing it the old fashioned way. But once, once the, once he started to use the internet, it really took off. He started to build followers and what they call connections all over the world. And the idea spread. The idea really was, it did become more of like a siege accelerationism idea, right? The idea of, of promoting chaos and committing terror attacks in order to, um, to advance a political narrative or even setting up a terror attack as a false flag to, to try to influence, uh, you know, political narratives. And so that's what, that's what the cult is. It's not, I don't want to, I don't even like calling it a satanic cult because, you know, there are real satanic cults out there. And I feel like this is just a farce. Uh, it's a farce for political activism and that's what it's always been. Yes. And I know I asked you about the other two, but I just wanted to jump in to say William Ramsey, who has a podcast, he actually thinks that the order of nine angles is behind the smiley face killings where these, uh, young able-bodied guys in college were drunk walking home and they'd end up dead in a river as if someone was like watching them looking for the one who's stumbling and then like smashing them on the head and throwing them in the river and drawing a smiley face with spray paint or something who knows, but man. So I do want to get into the other two groups, but I just also want to, before we get too far down the line, ask you about what these groups and individuals even in some cases are doing. Sometimes they're just power hungry incels who have no power in their regular life. So they're going on roadblocks chats to suck kids into dark stuff. So we've all seen to catch a predator. And I think a lot of parents, there's probably parents who are fans of this show and have listened to it forever who aren't paying enough attention to what's going on in their own home. They're thinking about it out there, the big conspiracy and all this, like you were saying, I was just kind of shocked at how deep it goes. Cause it isn't just, Oh, I'm a pedo trying to meet your kid online, trying to coax them out of the house. It actually is like, they're having them send nude photos and stuff or compromising material that, which then can be used as blackmail to say, now I want you to kill your family dog, or I'm going to send this to your parents or send it to your school. And it's getting really crazy. So they have them send this material or they'll have them prove their allegiance through self harm and cutting and carving names and logos into their skin. They will, in some cases you've mentioned, they'll get into this group and then they'll say, okay, you need to accumulate a hundred murder points every month to stay in the group or we'll kick you out. And that can be just random acts of violence. And it's not a hundred murders, obviously, but it's, it scales up to that. So, and these are things that people can be doing to your children without ever meeting them in a physical space. And then they make them feel like they're heroes and an ARG. Sometimes these kids don't even think it's real, which is kind of where I I'm going all over the place, but that's where I think kind of psychiatry comes into it. You find these kids that are on certain medications that make them have a distorted reality. It really is a perfect storm of terrible shit, but talk to us about some of the manipulations that actually happen without ever, ever meeting your kid in physical space. So you've touched on now you're not off base at all. You've touched on seven, six, four and the NLM kind of, kind of stuff. I can tie that into this, the order of right angle stuff too, just to continue on that down that road. So the order of right angles in the age of the internet, they got a lot more prolific. And again, you know, the idea that he's put out there is evil. We have to create evil acts in order to open these stargates. And the more evil, the better, the more sinister, the better. And also it's better if you get other people to do it for you, because this is really the satanic mindset of manipulation, right? About getting other people to do your dirty work for you. And it was also a way for him to kind of cover the cult's ass so that they wouldn't get into much trouble over time. And in the age of the internet, you know, you have like rotten.com, you have the early internet, which is where people are being exposed to really awful stuff. And, and this, this group kind of metastasized and increased in evil. And so eventually, you know, we come to modern day or like, let's say back in like 2018, 2019, you had all of these groups kind of congregating in these far right spaces that were kind of worshiping mass killers, worshiping Dylan Roof. You had the bowl patrol and the team rocket and these kinds of really nasty online spaces that eventually merged into this group called calm. This is big, broad cyber criminal network called calm short for community. And there's people in here who do hacking, Bitcoin theft, wire fraud, extortion, child pornography, child sexual exploitation. And there's all these different tentacles of calm, right? But we call it all the same thing. So back then, in like the, you know, the late 2010s, we saw a few of these people from the order of nine angles who had gotten really extreme. And they were into cutting themselves and getting other people to cut themselves in satanic rituals. You know, they're pedophiles. They were doing stuff to children. This is kind of where the modern O9A split off from the older O9A that was still led by Myatt. Myatt, I think, found it horrific what his cult had become. However, he's still completely to blame for it. You know, as much as he wants to get on Twitter and, well, this isn't the tradition. And, you know, well, bro, this is what you built. This is the cult that you built. You wanted it evil and here it is. It's evil now. And what are you going to do about it, right? Those early Niners who were in this calm space and in these, like, you know, these gore, self-harm, mass shooting communities ended up kind of creating these precursor groups to what we call 764 network. The 764 network now is one of, it's an international threat to kids. It's one of the FBI's biggest priorities now, which is crazy to me because I would never have saw this coming two years ago. Two years ago, we were like, where's the FBI? Oh, my God. And now it's everywhere, which is really great. It's very reassuring. They really are putting these guys in jail like fast. But like you were saying, you know, what they found is that they can find kids in these online communities and they love to use messaging apps like Discord to groom your kid. And they love to use apps like that are made for kids like Minecraft was one of the favorites. But now I think Roblox is definitely the favorite. People don't realize that when you put your kid on Roblox, what they're actually doing is going to a digital town and talking to strangers. There's no difference between letting your kid talk to strangers online, unsupervised versus sending them to downtown area and saying, go talk to strangers, right? You know, so what these guys will do is they'll find your kid on Roblox. They'll they'll kind of get and get to be their friends. They'll expose them to some nasty content. They'll invite them to a Discord server with where they will like bombard them with gore, child pornography, you know, other awful stuff, mass shooting stuff to desensitize them, that they're desensitizing them to all this violent, awful stuff. And then they'll eventually, you know, turn them into a victim, either a victim of extortion, or sometimes they'll turn them into abusers. So I think that one thing we don't talk about enough here is that not only could your kid be extorted, sextorted and, you know, sexually exploited, but they could be being groomed to be an abuser themselves. We've seen kids as young as 12, 13 years old, extorting other kids in these groups, you know, not to mention the mass shooting thing, you know, I've spoken to mass shooters parents. You know, I've spoken to the parents of some of these kids who've been arrested for blackmailing other kids. And it's all the same story. We had no idea what he was doing online. So, um, the NLM stuff is interesting because, you know, I, I'm kind of the person who put a lot of research out on NLM that I don't think was out before. Um, NLM, I think has a lot of Eastern European influence. So if you go back to the order of mine angles, right, David Mayette, Joshua Sutter, and all of these, these like key figures for the order of mine angles have an obsession with Ukraine. They're very pro Ukraine. Uh, one of the reasons it's been put out there is because they were trying to like create an Atomwaffen division type of extremist group along the, the Azov, the Talon, kind of using that as a feeder. It's really complicated, but that's where the Eastern European angle comes in. Uh, the Eastern European Nazis really did take to the order of nine angles stuff and kind of few, there's been a lot of fusion there. So there's actually a lot of Eastern European connections at the order of nine angles and not just in the Ukraine, but in Russia as well. And so you see the Ukraine, Russia influence coming into these spaces very, very heavily, way more so than any other foreign government, which is very troubling because there's a lot of people in, in Russia that could use this group, you know, to, to commit terror attacks. But also you might be surprised that at like the way that Ukraine, Ukrainians and Russians can work together towards a goal of national socialism. In fact, a lot of these communities from Eastern Europe, they really don't care about the war. There's like a slogan that says no infighting among whites. Their, their goal is really accelerationism. They want the collapse of society. And so they're going to work together and they don't care what's going on. In fact, I, I'm very cautious about my research there because I got a little too close to the MKY, which is the, the, you know, the Ukrainian based ordered by an angles adjacent satanic acceleration is called like the founder of that group started trying to message me on YouTube and stuff from a Ukrainian prison. And it got a little weird, man. I was like that this, at this point, we're definitely dealing with some intelligence stuff too. I don't want to deal with, you know, Ukraine, Russian intelligence ops. Shit's too confusing and I don't want to get murdered. So, but, but you know, that, that influence is also definitely there. So that's another vector where we see these foreign actors using kids for terrorism. So when it comes to the intelligence stuff, so David Myatt started this order of nine angles, but you talk about this guy, Joshua Caleb Setter, who is the founder of the U S chapter, the U S Nexion of O nine a, and this guy was sort of exposed as an informant, right? Yeah. Not sort of. I mean, he was exposed in, in court records as being an informant. So when, when this happened in Sutter, I mean, I don't know how deep you've gone into the DPRK, North Korea apocalypse, death cult shit that he was into, but, and I, and I, you know, I've had my interactions with Sutter. Okay. Um, my conclusion is that he is an ideological zealot. He is a, a, a lifelong wannabe cult leader that he has a personal interest in the occult based on people I've spoken to who, who do know him, you know, have all sworn up and down that this guy has like a textbook encyclopedia knowledge of, of the cult, not something you would expect of a, an informant who was just, you know, in there to, to rustle feathers and get people arrested. I, I think that, that Sutter and, you know, we also know that he was part of the order of right angles. We recently found out that he was part of the order of right angles and friends with David Myatt way before he was an informant. So this is a guy who, who really is a lifelong, um, occultist and he's a lifelong cult leader. And he really, really believes in evil and accelerationism. So I don't like giving, I don't like how a lot of other, and I've had tons of disagreements with other people got this, which is fine. I think it's, it's healthy discourse, but in my opinion, Sutter is doing a lot of this for himself. Uh, I don't want to give him a pass as being like, Oh, he was doing it for the feds. I don't think so. I think that he created all of this evil shit for himself. Um, and I think that, uh, he took an opportunity whenever, you know, there was an opportunity to make money by throwing some people he didn't like under the bus that he took those opportunities, possibly with the help of a corrupt handler who I, I would hope one day would be exposed for what they were allowing. It was really a travesty than any of that was allowed. Again, I don't think it's something like systemic and organized. And, you know, I think that it was probably Sutter and one or two other people in the bureau who were, you know, bad news that said, they did arrest the Atomwaffen guys. And I, you know, people are like, well, he was a fed. Well, yeah, but like he did arrest the Atomwaffen guys and those guys were fucking bad. You know, I'm not mad that they're arrested. However, Sutter's continued meandering in the space after being exposed as an informant was concerning. Like, you know, at this point, bro, you're burned. Get out of here. What are you doing? Why are you creating new cults? Why is the FBI even allowing this? I think to an extent, you know, at this point he's been burned. So I doubt that he's still working for the feds, but I still think we deserve answers. I don't think we'll ever get them because the FBI is very tight lipped about that stuff. So unless there's some kind of like landmark FOIA legal case that comes out down the road, I kind of doubt we'll ever get solid answers on how much involvement they had. However, I will say there is one thing that gets pushed around a lot saying that Joshua Sutter's nection, which was called the temple of blood was a federal honeypot operation. I don't believe that at all. I believe that Sutter was 100% doing that for his own evil purposes. It might have been exploited. Like I said, it might have been exploited by him and the feds at one point. The reason that I stopped believing that is actually kind of funny. So when I started to put out my videos, especially my part one, where I exposed this stuff, the Niners started to message me. They started to follow me. They started to kind of stalk me around the internet. They started trying to badger me. And, and, you know, unlike the seven, six, four guys who will just threaten to kill and rape your entire family and burn your house down. The Niners are very strategic and, and polite and manipulative. And so, you know, they'll come to you and they'll try to gain your favor and your trust. And then they'll try to, try to nudge you in a certain direction. Right. And one of those directions that they consistently tried to nudge me was this idea that Temple of Blood is a honeypot and we have nothing to do with it. And again, that's because these classic Niners who are still, who still kind of, you know, are led by Myatt don't want to be connected to the Temple of Blood, which was connected to the seven, six, four stuff. They don't even, even the evil satanic cultists don't want anything to do with that. Right. So they're trying to manipulate this narrative that it's all of that honeypot. We had nothing to do with it to kind of give David Myatt an owl when really we're not going to give that guy an owl. This is his cult that he started. Right. Does that make sense? So it became kind of a bit of propaganda. And I discovered this not only because they kept telling me over and over and over. And I'm like, well, I'm not going to trust what you guys are saying. I'm like inclined to believe the opposite. Right. But also because I started to really look into the evidence behind it and find that they'd been lying about specific things to make it seem more logical. Like, for example, you know, they would hide the fact that Sutter knew Myatt back in the 90s. They would try to make it seem like he infiltrated. And when you would press them on these things, their narrative starts to fall apart. So that's my opinion. I've had a lot of really great discussions with a lot of other really knowledgeable people about this. So there's no hard feelings if people disagree. This is just me going off my really, really extensive research, you know. So I get a lot of like, you know, and I get a lot of randoms on the Internet, too, who are like, well, you're just you have a blind spot. I disagree with you just because. And I'm like, well, you don't know what you're talking about, though. Like, I'll respect other people who are really deep into this research and, you know, have a good conversation. But I don't care what random idiots on Twitter think. Like, right. You know, you know, you know what makes me kind of skeptical? So it is murky and exploitation for sure. There can be these guys who are narcissists, who are self-motivated. And then that can be kind of steered and exploited from a higher level. There can be all kinds of puppet masters. And yeah, maybe it isn't a centralized, organized thing, but some dark individuals put themselves into positions of power and then, you know, have a little fun what they consider fun with these individuals. And, you know, it's like the mob, the rest of the mob. It's like you only you only like you use certain guys to arrest the guys below and then you arrest all these guys below. But you let these guys go free. I think there could be something like that going on. I mean, I've said for a long time that I think Sutter could easily be another Whitey Bulger situation. That's exactly what I think it is. Right. But but when you look into what happened with Whitey Bulger, ultimately, like, you know, the his handlers got it eventually got in hot water and the whole thing was exposed. I would hope that something like that would happen under the administration of transparency. But we've all seen how that's panned out so far. Just black bars all over the page. Thanks a lot, FBI. Yes. And one of the things that makes me really sketched out about this situation is that when we have these mass shooters and you've noted this in your work, too, they quickly authorities quickly start scrubbing their online presence. And it's like, well, why are you doing that? You know, what's interesting about that is that it's not the authorities that do that. It's the social media companies that do that. They have an incentive to media companies have policies to remove under their TOS. Right. But they also they're OK. So they're required after they receive a subpoena for the information they're required to preserve that information. But what they will do is that they will remove the content and then quarantine it in an area where only law enforcement can see it. And they do that to cover their own asses. And I and I can say that because when I was when I first started all of this work, like looking into the Highland Park mass shooting, which was like my my whale, like the one that really continues to bother me to this day. I have a very close relationship with the shooter's dad. Yet I really still think that there was something fishy behind that one. And sorry, let me jump in on that, too, because I wanted to get this in the first hour because longtime listeners will be interested. But this creeped me out because there's a name here that I've interviewed in the past. So this comes from your writing. This is your how you got into it post that you wrote. But you say it was early 2022 and the most recent mass shooting had been committed by 21 year old Patrick Wood Cruces. Is that how you say his name? Oh, that one. That was that was the El Paso Walmart shooting. OK, sorry. So there are so many goddamn shootings these days. I used to follow them all. But now I can't keep them straight. So this is not that was also really an interesting one, though. But this is in the same post. And you're talking about this is the one where the guy went in a Walmart in El Paso, Texas and killed 23 people left behind his manifesto suggesting he used the Christ Church Church New Zealand shooting as a template for his massacre. The media was quick to label this case a right wing terror event. But my deep dive of the incident revealed a plethora of unreported details about his life. I found, for example, that his dad worked for a mental hospital in Dallas, Texas called Timberlawn that was notorious for its unconventional treatment of people with multiple personality disorders. Their specialty, hypnosis. Caruso's dad's boss, Dr. Colin Ross, a subject matter expert in MKUltra mind control and a whistleblower against both the CIA and the broader field of clinical psychiatry. I did some digging on Ross and even spoke with a few of his former patients. One of them told me, Dr. Ross ruined my life. He hypnotized me into believing I was Satan. I mean, wow. So I interviewed Dr. Colin Ross in 2017 on this very show about MKUltra. I'll have to go back and watch that. Oh, man. I don't even want to. I don't know if I want to watch it. But Timberland was shut. Timberlawn was shut down just a year later after a patient raped a 13 year old girl patient. And he was the head of this Timberlawn. Yeah. So Timberlawn is such a cool rabbit hole that I haven't really written about. Maybe I should. Timberlawn is so crazy because if you go back through its history, several like mass shooters have been connected to it over the years. In fact, you're sure you're familiar with the Pearl Jam song, Jeremy. Oh, yeah. Jeremy. That song was based on a real person who actually did that. A real young boy who actually did that committed suicide in front of his classmates. And that boy was also connected to Timberlawn. Wow. Yeah. It was also connected to a situation where a kid who was connected to Ted Cruz, I think Ted Cruz was like his great uncle or some shit. It was like years and years ago. It was a tech. I don't want to misspeak. It was one of those politicians, though. He actually killed a teacher and shot another person. Well, this kid ended up he went to school in Austin, Texas. He ended up going to Timberlawn and then getting released under a different identity. And so there's like this whole Reddit thread I found where people who went to his high school with them were like, hey, I found this guy on Facebook. And this is the kid that shot up our school when I was a kid. And there's this crazy history where he got adopted by a psychiatrist. And like, basically, they didn't do anything to me, just like had a new life. I was like, this is wild. What is going on here? Timberlawn got shut down just recently, just in the last few years. It was one of the it was the oldest private institution this side of the Mississippi. It had been around since the 1800s. For decades, it had been having issues with sexual predators, with exploitation, with rape, and, and also dangerous conditions where people had died in their care. And so there were there were groups lobbying to shut it down. And they finally did shut it down a few years ago. But yeah, that's for Colin Ross. And his dad, Crucius his dad, who worked there. He's insane. He actually wrote a book. And I bought it on Amazon and read it don't recommend, by the way. But he was into this, like, this transcendental meditation thing, right? Where, but you know, where he would like go to Christ consciousness and the meditating in the stars. And he like basically abandoned his son and family to go do this transcendental meditation thing. And then, you know, he starts talking about going and getting Korean foot rubs and how it would elevate him to Christ consciousness. Like it's bizarre. But the reason I even mention it is because there, there's this part in it where he talks about after his divorce, he found himself wandering a Walmart in a fugue state and, and got arrested because he was wandering Walmart in an altered conscious state. And he released this book a few years before his kid shot up a Walmart. I was like, there's just so much interesting shit here. Yeah. I mean that. So I wanted to get into some other cases. There are some weird things. It's always like psychiatry is, is where I always look. And then also what do the parents do for work? They tend to be military contractors or contractor adjacent. Yeah. And it's, yeah, I mean, you can check a couple of boxes, but what I wanted to do while we still have time in this first hour is maybe you can give us just maybe rapid fire some shooters that we can say we're definitely shepherded along by these groups we're talking about. There's a broader movement to, you know, like, like I talked about the bowl patrol that worships like Dylan roof and in Columbine or like Dylan roof and the far right shooters. And there's a groups that worship Columbine. This is a group we call TCC. It's similar to, I mean, it's connected to calm, but, but they're recently, recently we've been seeing the merge. So this is where you see like all the, have you ever seen like stumbled upon a Twitter account or like account on Pinterest or something where they're, they're sharing like a mass killer edits and like it kind of like worshiping, like, you know, the Columbine killers, like kind of stuff, anime style. The art community is kind of adjacent to this stuff too. Yeah. So when you're, if your kid is idolizing mass killers, you have a problem. That is like the biggest red flag I can tell anyone. You need to go immediately stop whatever your part of community your kid is online because they really do brainwash kids with schizo edits, like weird cat cut edit music stuff to try to get them to like, you know, to fantasize and glorify these killers so they could do it themselves. As far as connected to satanic accelerationism though, we definitely saw a lot of these bad actors in the early bowl patrol. We saw order of night angles, uh, members who were connected to the bowl patrol and team rocket, which were early precursors to this mass killer Christchurch stuff. We also saw, um, Peyton Gendron was, uh, the Buffalo, New York shooter at the tops grocery store that live streamed himself, killing all of those, uh, those black people. He was actually part of a 764 precursor group called CVLT. Um, I, I think I'm the first person to have exposed that. And I got, uh, you know, when I first started looking into this, I was really, really fascinated with Gendron, you know, who was, who was behind the scenes provoking him. It wasn't until last year where I did a documentary for the CBC about 764 was actually the CBC investigators who told me this information, who gave me Peyton Gendron's username and call that he got from one of the victims that we were able to confirm that he was part of that group. Recently, the last three or four school shooters have been connected to 764 or CCC specifically. The last one was the Evergreen high school shooting, which happened on the same day as a Charlie Kirk assassination. So many people didn't even know what happened, but that one was there. Then there was a Solomon Henderson, a black neo-Nazi in Antioch, Tennessee, Antioch high school. He killed a one girl and shot, I think two others before killing himself. And then, uh, before that we had a female named, uh, Natalie Rupnow, Samantha Rupnow. She actually became a very big idol, uh, a very point of inspiration for a lot of copycats. So all of those people were explicitly linked to the 764 satanic network. Hmm. Yes. Those were the ones I had on my list to add if, if nothing came to mind, but I also had down here, there was someone named Angel Almeida, who was part of Temple of Blood, who extorted girls as a form of sacrifice to an Islamic demon named Shaitan. And then another guy, Richard Densmore, who went by rabbit online. He ran a discord server called the sewer, which was, uh, you know, one of these places to get kids all worked up with a nasty content. Those two, I don't think are, are actual, you know, mass shooters, but they're kind of the puppet masters are one degree away from the people who are doing this stuff. Almeida and rabid Densmore were both very early. They were both order of nine angles and CVLT 764. So those are the important ones. Cause those are the ones where we connect order of nine angles and say, this guy was an order of nine angles adherent. And he did do these things. So that that's where, if I start mentioning Almeida, I'll get a lot of niners to start attacking me getting really mad. And the reason is because there's actual proof that he was connected to the group and they'll try to claim, he just bought that stuff on eBay, man. We have nothing to do with it. And it's like, well, he bought stuff on eBay off your order of nine angles, eBay store, because he was fascinated with the cult and wanted to join it. So yes, he wasn't, you know, Almeida though, you know, I said Islamic demon Shaitan, but I corrected that in a future release because it's actually, it is based on an Islamic demon. However, Shaitan is actually one of the dark gods from the order of nine angles praxis. So it just goes to show you how, again, David Myatt was really derivative in his, in his cult, right? You know, Densmore was one of the worst. There's another one, Caleb Merritt, who predates both of those guys and was part of the CVLT group. And he actually physically kidnapped a 12 year old girl after grooming her online. He's serving 350 years or he was serving 350 years. And now there's another case on him. That's a Rico charge. So one thing we've been seeing this new DOJ do is they've been taking these guys who were previously arrested for these crimes and tacking on Rico wreck tearing charges onto them and trying to get, you know, slam them for even longer. Because, you know, when you look at it, this is something that I don't think most people understand until you really, really get deep into this kind of stuff. Particularly, I've been following the legal cases religiously, uh, reading all the court documents and, and, uh, you know, attending zoom, uh, you know, zoom trials and hearings and stuff. And what I really found is that there are sentencing guidelines that they have to follow. So it's not like, Oh, we're just going to give you a slap on the wrist that they might not want to, but you have to get creative with the charges in order to, to get them a higher, which sucks because we should be sentencing pedophiles to longer in jail, but whatever there's already actually a new law that's just been proposed. That's in the works that to increase the sentencing guidelines for these kinds of crimes. Right. It's always so telling the politicians that don't actually support those bills. It gets really weird when someone would vote against such a thing. I said something about this because it, you know, it was Senator Dick Durbin, um, who, who put this new one out and I, and I read it and I was like, why would anyone disagree? Well, of course there was somebody in the comments who gave a very good explanation for why it had to do with the way he pushed it through, you know, cause we're not lawmakers, but he tried to push it through with like unanimous consent, which is something that will never happen because there's, because we're, we're too, you know, they're like, no, we need more time to look through this and debate it. So it wasn't that they were like, I oppose sentencing guidelines for, it was really just a legislative thing. Like he tried to do it in a sloppy way. And then of course, Dick Durbin tries to go, well, the Republicans denied it. See, you know, and they're like, well, we've denied it. Most normal people don't understand how lawmaking works. So of course. So I fell for that too. I guess I was one of those people who did not understand the legislative, uh, explanation. Guilty myself. It seems so obvious. Yeah. I do think that it's going to get, going to get pushed forward. Eventually it's just going to take more time. So something else I was going to bring up with Joshua Caleb Sutter. So some of your videos, they, they move very fast and not everyone is trying to take notes like I am, but was it him who reached out to members of the Manson family? No, no. Okay. No. So that was, uh, you're talking about James Mason. James Mason was the author of siege. He was a big influence to Sutter, but Mason was obsessed with Manson. He did reach out to the Manson family and eventually was put in contact with Charles Manson. And he and Manson together formed a new cult called the universal order. While Manson was in prison, the universal order is very, the parallels to the process church are glaring. Like it's, it's very obvious that, that, uh, there was some, some, you know, satanic, uh, you know, universal order had a lot of the kind of a praxis energy themes. And, you know, it just, it was just really obvious that, um, that Manson was out there. And now what we're seeing more today, we're seeing way more of these types of order of mind angles, nexions, or adherents that are obsessed with Manson. And they, they use the, it's the at war, which is, um, you know, air trees, uh, water animals. That was the environmental group that Manson started when he was in jail. And then they add the R for revolution. So we're seeing that at war, uh, in that Manson symbology starting to merge with O9A. It was actually very interesting how that whole thing developed, but yeah, Mason started a cult with Manson universal order. He eventually made the national socialist order that came after Adam Woffin disintegrated. It was like trying him trying to remake Adam Woffin, but Sutter was part of that too. And, uh, so NSO got infiltrated by, uh, some order of mind angles guys. One of them I've talked to, his name was Walter Bond. I don't know if you've ever seen pictures of this guy, but he's an eco terrorist who has claimed to me that it was all a ruse for the order of mind angles. I don't know if I really believe him, but he is, he is like an Arkham asylum villain. Like, I don't know how else to describe this person, but he took over Mason's NSO and made NSO 9A. The satanic accelerationist groups are constantly evolving and dissolving and reintegrating and trying to come up with new catchy stuff to attract more people. And it's really hokey. When you talk to these guys, it's really like a, like a fourth wall breaking moment where you're like, you guys are goofy. Bond is interesting because he was a PETA terrorist who burned down. He, he burned down some kind of facility. I forgot which one it was, but he was an eco terrorist. He was actually put in Terre Haute in prison at Terre Haute where they have what they have the segregation unit there where they basically put terrorists. It has accurately been described as Arkham asylum because it's really all of these terrorists who are being segregated for some reason, but they're just, they're incubating and getting crazier and crazier. And there's a lot to be said about that unit that he was a part of. And then they released them and now he's started a new cult. It's an NSO 9A revamp. I forgot what it's called. I wouldn't say it anyways, cause I don't really want to give him the clout. Right. It all gets so confusing. My thought when someone reaches out to Manson is like, well, a lot of people think Manson was a CIA mind controlled puppet. And so you reach out to this guy. It's like, well, that's how, that's how you get involved with, uh, becoming a puppet yourself. Yeah. I mean, I think Tom O'Neill see like proved that more or less that he was involved with the CIA's and killed. I mean, I'm convinced I, you couldn't convince me otherwise actually. Um, but again, you know, we also know, you know, and it does get down to kind of some Occam's razor stuff where it's like, well, was Manson a CIA mastermind or was he just a freaking psychotic lunatic with a cult personality who the CIA used, um, because of the, because I think that that's far more likely the case. I think that they love to use these psychopaths and they love to study their, you know, Manson had such a cult personality. I mean, the question was always like, how did you get all these young hit people to follow you? You're a weird, short pedophile creep, you know? Um, and it was the music. It was the music. Uh, so, so he had this, this attractive personality. I can definitely see why the CIA would want to, if you want to study that kind of personality and figure out how to exploit it. Before I let you go, I did want to give you a chance to gloat because one of your Twitter posts, your pinned tweet, actually, I think is about the scalps that you have collected. There are some you can talk about because they have had their cases completed and their sentencing completed. Tell people about some of the good you can talk about that you've been able to do. Yeah. So the four that are listed there, one of them is Kyle Spitz. Now I'm with the crazy blonde hair. The pudgy fellow there is Cameron Finnegan. That's Kyle's friend who I mentioned was arrested after making all those threats to me in the UK. Another one there is a guy named Drake Miller who, uh, had been threatening me nonstop online. And I remember it was funny because I, sometimes I draw them out into the public. I don't know if you follow me on Twitter, you might see me spatting with these guys in the comments and they're like, we're going to kill you and your whole family. And I'm like, I'm going to, so this particular one, he pissed me off and I'd actually quote tweeted. And I said, I'm going to find you next. I tweeted something like that. And then, uh, and then sure enough, someone came to me after seeing that tweet, here's his name, gave it to the feds. Boom. Now he's, he's looking at the same sentence that Kyle is like, he's going to be, he's going to be going away on 13 counts of production of child pornography. The other one there though is probably the biggest one that I helped with. And that's a, uh, a guy named Mikhail to kick this really that's MK wise butcher. He was the leader of MKY. And I did play a small role in helping give information that we had against that guy. Uh, they recently extradited him from Moldova. He's a Georgian national and they arrested him in Moldova, extradited him. And now he's a, he's just recently pled guilty. And that was a big win for the DOJ. Also a disgusting pedophile, but that wasn't in his charges. Unfortunately, his charges, uh, were related to, um, a plot to, uh, groom someone into dressing up the Santa Claus on Christmas and handing out rice and laced candy to minority children in New York city, a real winner. Well, this guy is interesting, right? Because this is a, this shows you how these, these foreign completely foreigners are manipulating this kind of stuff from behind their keyboards in another country. Even those guys aren't, aren't safe, uh, from extradition and prosecution here in the States. That's definitely one of the biggest wins, man. I'm so impressed with the work you do, like just combing over this, this week, preparing for this. I mean, it's really demoralizing. You just have no hope in society, but I guess, do you have any advice for parents or, or whatever? I mean, are there red flags to look for? It's really just, it should be as easy as keep your kids off of this stuff. It's not that easy, you know, and I get that. And I've talked to a lot of victims and a lot of victims, parents, I think that, uh, so there's actually, uh, an article on my sub stack called seven, six, four warning signs. You can read it without a subscription to my sub stack, uh, that has all of these red flags and stuff on it. Um, other than that, I would say, you know, your kids should not be on Roblox. There's no reason for your kid to be talking to adults or strangers in any capacity online until they're out of the house. That's my opinion. Right. But it's also worth talking to your kids at an age appropriate level about bad guys. You know, my kids only eight and I've talked to her about, um, how we don't talk to strangers online because they could be pretending to be anyone. They could be a bad guy. Right. Um, so she's already well, well aware of that. And then at a, at a, at a older age, you can start talking to them about more mature topics and how to protect themselves from these kinds of extortion schemes. It's the same thing I do with, with gun safety, right? A lot of parents go, well, my kids don't need to know gun safety because we don't have any guns, but then your kids aren't with you all the time. They go to school, they go to friends' houses. And so they need to know how to protect themselves when you can't protect them. Because let's be honest, anyone who has kids knows, especially as they get older into teenage years, you don't, you can't protect them all the time. That's why we teach our kids basic self-protection strategies. Definitely teach them how to avoid these groups, teach them what they do and show them what they do. Right. And make it serious. And then finally, you know, make sure that your kid always knows that you're their advocate and that you're, um, you're there to help them no matter what happens. I've had the unfortunate experience of talking to a lot of really young victims. It's heartbreaking to me as a mom, because they're always so afraid to talk to their parents. They're like, I will go to the police. I'll talk to the police, but I want my parents to find out. That's heartbreaking. I get that. But, but if you can foster that sense of trust so that your kids know that no matter what happens, that you're on their side and that you're going to protect them. Because a lot of times that the groomers themselves have convinced them that they're going to get in trouble, um, if, if they, if they talk about it or tell anyone. And so they, they're being manipulated too. Um, so definitely, um, you know, having that really good, good, uh, relationship with your kid and communicating with them is even better than keeping them offline completely. Right. Because kids today are already learning. In fact, I would point out that like, um, there was an article that came out of Canada just a couple of weeks ago talking about how these seven, six, four network kids were targeting kids on their school laptops. Well, you really are doing amazing work. A great example that just a person who cares can make a huge difference. Let people know where to follow you online and support the work through the sub stack and all that good stuff. Yeah, definitely. Um, I'm most active on X right now, BX underscore on underscore X. Um, I also have a sub stack, which I think is really great. It's, I post pretty much all my investigations on sub stack. I do have some articles that go into a little bit more detail that are, you know, a paid subscription, uh, sub stacks also best way to support me. Cause I, again, I'm completely independent. I don't get paid by the government or any shady NGOs to do any of this stuff. Um, so people like to support my sub stack and I like to put out a lot of really interesting, um, op-eds and stuff on there that people can kind of go a little bit deeper and, uh, that my sub stack is BX rights, like rights. Um, and, um, so yeah, those are the two main places you could find me. You can also watch my, my six part series on rumble. Uh, YouTube would not allow me to upload parts three through six. They banned them. So, uh, rumble has all of those. Yeah. And they are great. I'll include links to all that stuff. I encourage people to dig in deeper and at least, you know, shout out a thank you because you really actually put yourself out there in a way that a lot of researchers I interview don't. So it's been a pleasure. Thanks for talking to me today and keep doing what you do. Thank you, Greg. I really appreciate it. I'm glad to have this talk with you. Okay. Well, the sun is shining brightly, but it's a dark one today, man. This felt really important to do. This feels like a much bigger potential threat than a big grandiose conspiracy that you can't do anything about like a Saturn moon matrix soul trap cycle or something. It also kind of makes me feel a little bit old because I was a big gamer as big as anyone as an only child in a pre-internet world. But that sort of single player gaming is just so much different than the always on digital world, social gaming landscape of today. I already see myself struggling as a parent because even though I don't really play anymore, I do love the gaming world. I follow what's going on. I got into Expedition 33 and Ball Pit and Alan Wake 2 and Arc Raiders enough to see what's going on there. And I'm not even going to try Blatro because a roguelike poker game that I can get on my phone sounds like a new addictive habit I don't even need to try to manage. But gaming really is different now. It's a lot of kids social interaction throughout the week. It's like a game of eight person telephone with your buddies after school friendships and bonding goes on there. I wouldn't want to cut my son off that sort of thing if it is part of the social life of that generation. People worry about the metaverse and some ubiquitous avatar based virtual world. But that is here. It's Fortnite. They have really every IP. It's truly insane if you didn't know. But it also feels different from when I grew up on the internet in general because it was so clunky and unsophisticated back then. Predators barely even knew what they had. We were all just so excited by AOL, Instant Messenger, and chat rooms. I was in a lot of fake wrestling federations, feds as we called them, completely text-based matches where you'd conceive of a character and you'd write out your monologues and call out other people in the fed. And the guy who was basically like a dungeon master essentially would script out the matches and the winners would be whoever was cutting the best promos and creating the most hype and talking the most trash. Oh, I loved it. And it's basically all lost media now. I don't have any record of any of it. I never really thought much of it as a D&D for wrestling, but that is what it was. And it was all typed. As an eighth grader, it's kind of weird. I was completely neglecting schoolwork, but I was typing these five-page, intense, highly creative, epic dramas multiple times a week. It's just so different from what kids are using the internet for now and just how manipulative and refined it's all gotten. And when I wasn't doing the wrestling fed stuff, I would be on AOL Instant Messenger throwing out that age-sex location all over the place like everyone else. And I definitely met up with some girls from online that way. My parents just thought they were dropping me off at Six Flags with the boys, but girls we would meet online would also meet up there and hang out. And I was just so dumb. I never really even thought about the potential of a person lying. None of us did. We actually had another thing. Didn't mean to go so hard on internet nostalgia, but we had another thing that was very special, really ahead of its time. A social media website called STL Punk. And it's gone now, but it was like a Facebook or MySpace before that stuff was even normalized. And it was specifically created for the St. Louis punk whatever music scene. So my friends and I would make goofy songs and you could have band pages and post MP3s and girls were just dying to meet guys in bands. And you had so much more to go on with pictures and full profiles, all based on one niche scene in one board, Midwest midsize city. It was all much better than using AOL for that. But still, I never thought about anyone lying. And I was giving my parents home address out all the time. But it did all feel just so different. We were figuring out this stuff at the same time together. So I really thought this interview was insightful. Like I said, I kind of feel old because I don't really know these spaces very well. THC had a fan run discord for a little while and they banned us and they banned my personal account. So I just never really bothered to make a new one. So it was just eye opening to hear from someone who has gone very deep on these online communities and seen true organized groups coming in with very creative and sadistic ways to hurt people from a distance. I do think we have a bit more intelligence engagement and provocation than BX suggested, but that's just an assumption because I am so skeptical of those organizations. Crazy that both Trevor Aronson and Dr. Colin Ross, two previous THC guests, both got called out a bit today too. Dicey, dicey. Hey, I'm doing the best I can. All right. So the first hour was wild. The second hour, even more so. We talked about the Highland Park shooting, the bizarre case of Kyle Spitz. I cannot show that video now or I would, but I can link to it if you haven't seen it. Wild. We talked about connections to larger scales, scandals and networks and grooming. And she just really knows all this stuff well and is great talking about it too. Another component not everybody gets. If you like what I do, get twice as much with THC+. Today that means a full two-hour interview with BX. Sometimes it means other things, but always add free and action-packed links in the show notes. She is really brave though. I've read some weird claims from people trying to smear her or discredit her in all kinds of ways, and these can be scary people to be on the bad side of. Let me actually just play you a three-minute compilation that she posted of people talking shit on her. V, I have been banned from Twitter temporarily due to mass reporting. If this investigation never picks up steam or gets any recognition, thank you. We're not trying to de-platform you. We're trying to have a laugh and a half at your expense because you're a fucking simp. This bitch is crazy. I kid you not. I looked and I said, she's crazy. She's crazy. Unfortunately, I'm too busy attempting to release exclusive investigations that contain important information in an attempt to decelerate the downfall of Western society. I'm sorry, but this bitch went full tinfoil. Like, she sounds like Alex Jones right now. I say this very genuinely. I think she's actually crazy. Okay. Okay. Cool. Like, to be that crazy with a kid, it's like, damn, that's like extra. That is really cringe. Not a great mom, I guess. Rough. I think she's a fucking lunatic. She's crazy. You are crazy, and I'm not saying that to be mean. You are certifiable. You deserve to be criticized. You deserve to be mocked and ridiculed, and you deserve to be shamed. Like, she's got this savior complex where she thinks her little irrelevant channel with videos that usually average about 300 views is going to change the world. She gets on a crusade and thinks she's so important, you know, and she gets on a horse and off she rides, expecting, like, hundreds of people to be behind her, and she turns around and no one's there because no one really gives a shit about a stupid thing she's trying to do. And you really think too highly of yourself. There's proof that mass shooters leave behind coded messages. She doubled down on this shit. I called her a conspiracy theorist because she fucking is. Yo, she's so schizo that I fear that one day she'll become one of the people she talks about in her videos. Back while she got a whole arsenal on that bitch. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yikes. BXBullet has been banned from YouTube? Wait. No. Are you serious? Oh, man. Listen, I'm not a fan of deplatforming, okay? I don't- I would never condone this, or I would- I would never say that you should go, like, spam report people. That would be a very bad thing to do. But, um, of all the things to happen, uh, of any person on the internet to get deplatformed, fuck it. Let it happen to this dumb fucking bimbo. Finally! See you later! YouTube- No, it's not funny. I'm against this, okay? I am against this. I don't think- I don't like people's YouTube channels getting- getting banned, okay? Investigative journalists. So, that's right. She considers herself an investigative journalist. If, um, one thing that you can come out- that we can come away with from this is that at least it- when people look at these conspiracy theories now that she's kind of peddling, we- people can look at her and be like, oh, this is the type of person that believes in this. I really shouldn't believe in this. This must be dumb as fuck, you know? Um, and so- so, at least there's that. And also, I mean, if she's the one thing that's, like, standing between us and, like, a civil war, I think we deserve it, honestly. I really do. Right, Stardust, have you watched the videos about this? Uh, I've only seen- no, I haven't watched the videos. Oh, there we go again! Oh, yeah, I'm sure you know a lot about it then, don't you? No, I mean, I- Yeah, so it's wild to me. I'm sure there's some subtext missing that I don't understand, but why would you come out against a person who's really just trying to clean up a cesspool of people doing dark shit online? Even if you think she's wrong, couldn't you just say that she has the right intentions and just kind of be neutral on it? I personally disagree very much with her assessment of the Charlie Kirk thing. Her description does not match what I felt like I saw. But whatever, that's not really what this was about, and she knows more than me, she's worked in that industry. So I don't know, but look out for each other. Slipping into darkness can sneak up on you, and there are many manipulative freaks out there getting off on exploiting weaknesses and trust. From the pill pushers to the satanic accelerationist groups, just got to watch yourself. Okay. In higher side news, I got some good stuff brewing. Can't wait to see how some of it is received. But until then, let's just move on and talk about the last episode. Andrew Johnson, what a guy. I was actually thinking that episode would probably win an award for best interview with a boring title. 9-11 Cold Fusion and Controlled Opposition. I get it. But man, deceptively good based on the title. He was great. Really open-minded and a fun guy who knows the things he cares about inside and out. And I'm obviously not alone in thinking that because the rating is a 4.8 from the plus people. Couldn't be more psyched about that. He's got a lot of great work, so I definitely would do it again. And I look forward to his book on consciousness. Let's check in on the meetup calendar. Hiresidemeetups.com. Anyone can make an event and find THC-loving locals. All right. On deck we have Friday, January 16th, Michigan City, Indiana, Burn Elm Brewing. And then this one's interesting. Saturday, January 17th, Brentwood, California, a social gathering for non-vaccinated singles. All right. January 18th, Stronton, Virginia, Hometown Grill and Buffet. January 22nd, San Paolo, Brazil. January 30th, Tonusquit, Washington at the Iron Grill. February 6th, a Quartal Virtual Meetup. And February 14th, Utrean at Stoke-on-Trent in the United Kingdom. I got called out for saying Stoke-on-Trent last time. It is Stoke-on-Trent. Okay. We got that taken care of. Awesome. Get out there. Make some events. Find the others. Thank BX if you value her work. Let her know. It was appreciated. Much love. And I'll see you next time. I've done my part. Your move, satanic accelerationists, honeypot handlers, and psychopathic online predators. Your fucking move.