David Wechsler | Electroculture, Pyramid Power, & Ancient Energy Wisdom

All right, people, I am going to make this quick, but I just had to announce that for the next six weeks or so getting into the holiday season, I'm putting a lot of my show outlines up for auction again. I've mentioned before that I stick to a strict routine when preparing for and recording THC episodes, and part of that process, 95% of the time, going back many years, has been compiling my mess of notes into a roughly four to six page outline that I print out and then conduct the interview from as a template. I write in the margins, I cross questions off as we go along, I jot things down a guest says that I don't want to forget, and I usually have a good deal of material in these outlines that never even makes it to air. When an interview is done, I put a little staple in the corner and throw them in a drawer until the time comes to dust them off and show them to the people for the holidays. Some folks seek out signed scripts of their favorite movies or try to nab a concert set list before filing out into the parking lot. Well, this is like that, but for a weird, obscure podcast. So I am signing, listing, and auctioning off another round of these outlines I have to any listeners who might be interested in that kind of thing. Each one is totally unique, full of my own dumb notes and typos, never really designed for public consumption, but it's fine. If you're into it, they'll be listed on eBay, the link is at the top of the show notes, and I'll post links across the social media dystopias that I happen to have an unfortunate presence on. All the listings are set to go for 10 days each, so have at it, and I'll be ready to stuff those envelopes on the other side. Merry Christmas to me. Enjoy. Company. For any now, higher side chatters from the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood. And so often when we're confronted with a far out new bit of information, stories of some strange something or testimony of an odd experience, there's a tendency to default to doubt rather than adjust what we think we know about what's possible to accommodate the new data. Now, I think we're a bit better about it around here than most people, but I still think it can be tough to really allow your paradigm to shift without wondering how this or that could really work and still remain so suppressed. Well, one of these mind-blowing, far-reaching, damn near magical things to me is electroculture. We hear stories and claims about things like ether, Tesla tech, alternative science, atmospheric electricity, subtle energy, magnetism, and a lot of other stuff the mainstream might say is unscientific woo-woo nonsense. But electroculture has proven results, is super easy to verify and replicate with your own at-home experimentation, and benefits from an entire movement of folks like today's guest, David Wechler, who continue to experiment, educate, and push the envelope of how such things can be used to re-establish a culture of abundance by solving modern agricultural problems with ancient and somewhat esoteric techniques. David is the author of Electro-Horticulture, the secret to faster growth, larger yields, and more using electricity, as well as the founder of ElectricFertilizer.com, the energetic agriculture podcast, and a range of products that utilize the principles at hand. It's a wild area to talk about with some wide-reaching, strange implications, so let's get into it. The electroculture educator, ag-tech teacher, and elevator of a lost ancient art, David, welcome to THC. Hey, thanks very much. Very, very appreciative to be here. Looking forward to this. Yeah, man, I am psyched. Thanks for doing it. Electroculture is one of those things that can open up a whole new way of looking at the world. It can have a wide range of implications and implementations, and it puts several ancient cultures in a new context, too, so I'm a fan. But I'm curious if this was something you were willing to accept right away, or were you more skeptical and required a bit more convincing in the beginning? The very, very beginning of it for me was back in high school, way too long ago than I care to admit. But when I first came across it, I was in the middle of doing some research for a high school science project using high voltage. I was really interested in science as a kid. And I came across these, you know, some of your audience members may have heard of this cool research site called Rex Research. And I think it's gone away now or it's come back. But nonetheless, they have all sorts of cool esoteric technologies and articles all across the board. And back then they had like these two packets of information you could order on electroculture. And at the time that I ordered it, ordered this high voltage stuff and ordered these information packets on electroculture because it just tickled me in some way. I brought it home and looked through it, but it was beyond me. I wasn't really into gardening at all. But many years later, when I eventually did get into gardening, I found myself drawn towards this really cool world of blending technology and electricity and magnetism with plant. It just blew me away. And at the time, my wife was really into gardening and I was really into science. But I'm like, it would be great if I could combine these two things together. That's how it originally started. There were also people talking about the esoteric side of things with pyramids. And at the time, I wanted to stay far away from that. I just wanted to know, is this a real thing? Is this a hard science thing or not? And then all that other stuff came later on. Yeah, those distinctions get a little fuzzy the deeper we get into things that the system seems to want to suppress. And this is just kind of a funny thing. But I heard you say that in your early research, it was the cannabis growers forums where they were talking about this most openly. Is that right? Yes, that's exactly true. So when I first came across this thing, I was looking all over the web for it. There was literally no information except for one guy out of France, some really old articles, and some cannabis forums where people were talking about growing with electricity and coming across the same articles that I came across and trying it out. And this was a major part of my origin story because I'd go into these forums and people say it's fake. And I'm like, no, it's real. I tried it myself. I did my very first experiment on Romanesco broccoli, and when I saw the amazing results that came out of it within three weeks' time, where the experimental plants were like super high and lush, deep green compared to my control group, which was one-fourth the height and light green in color, it just blew me away. So I'm like, okay, I have my own proof here. Why aren't these other people in the cannabis world who are way more experimental than most growers, why aren't they seeing it? They're all dogging each other. Oh, it's fake, fake news before fake news was a thing. And so I use that as inspiration. I'm like, okay, I know there's a lot of research on this. The research goes back to the late 1700s, and there's been a number of highly technical papers written on it all throughout the years, mostly from the 1920s all the way up to through the 70s and the 80s, mostly in the 70s. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to use this as inspiration to write a book for the average everyday person highlighting the scientific side of electroculture. Right on. And I sometimes gloss over the definition of terms because I don't want to get too fundamental. I think electroculture kind of is self-evident, but we're talking about generally drawing down atmospheric energy and putting it into the soil near plants. A lot of people use copper rods. I know you tend to do something a little different, but just in general, what do you think are some of the widespread implications of this material to you? Because we hear stories of Tesla delivering electricity through the air wirelessly. We hear about the ether, which is apparently dismissed. I think this is like the clearest indication that there is an atmospheric ether, but we hear about orgone energies. And to me, it's like probably multiple terms for the same kind of thing based on different people discovering it. But it's pretty clear that there's a lot of energy all around us in the air that we can't see, we can't feel, we have a hard time detecting it. But when you put highly conductive materials just in the air and in the soil, plants grow better. So that to me is the verification that there is some kind of ether. And then maybe a lot of these older technologies and esoteric science guys who are onto something, it's hard to know if they were onto something, but it seems like this to me is the validation that they likely were. So from my perspective, if I like to make this distinction between the etheric or what they call the scalar energies or tensor energies versus pure electromagnetism, as most people know about in a modern scientific world. I'm not a physicist, I'm an engineer, but I've been researching this for more than 20 years. And when people are putting up antennas into the sky, what they're really doing is collecting high, they're getting access to electrons, free electrons that are floating in the atmosphere. And the higher you go up in elevation, the more accessible free electrons are. They become denser. As the ionosphere is filled with literally millions and millions of volts, you know, that's the basis for many of our thunderstorms and lightning storms. And so as you go up higher up in the atmosphere, you're with sharp points on rods, like the crystal flow antenna and the antenna that I design and many other different designs that have come out over the years, we're tapping into those electrons and pulling them in down wires and into our gardens, creating the effect. On the other hand, there's this idea of the ether. And I think that's kind of a misnomer, right? Like, maybe back in the day, for those who weren't, say, educated or didn't have the mainstream terminology, maybe they used electricity as ether. But the way I look at it is ether refers to the more subtle energies, which is completely real. And it operates in a complete different way. And I think there's one particular scientist, I think he goes by the name of Reichenbach, who has found that with magnets, magnets emit some sort of invisible flame. There's like maybe a purplish flame. So he worked with a whole bunch of clairvoyants, all different types of clairvoyants, who would see these flames coming off of magnets. And one of the things I personally find interesting is that we know that in physics, that the magnetic field drops off one over the radius squared. So it falls off very quickly, the magnetic field from a source over distance. But what's interesting is, say, Yannick von Doorn has this thing, he's called the magnetic antenna, where he puts these magnets over some galvanized iron wires, and he runs them all the way out into a farmland. And it goes a really long distance. And I'm like, I'd expect that magnetic field to sort of drop off rather quickly. And again, I'm not a magnetic field specialist, but it makes me think that maybe there's a subtle energy component to this that applies there as well. And to add to that, I know that we could have subtle energies travel along wires because of this other really cool thing I got into many, many years ago called biocircuit. Have you heard of biocircuits? Only from digesting your material. It's Earmen biocircuits, right? Eamon, Eamon biocircuits. And in this work called Biocircuits by Terry and Leslie Patton, there's a book out there on it. These guys have figured out, and I don't remember if this work goes beyond Eamon's work and if there were other researchers involved as well, but they figured out that you could lay on top of copper pad in certain configurations, and you'll get these subtle energy movements through these wires. And so from that, I learned that you could, in fact, feel these very strange sensations of subtle energies moving through these wires because you get this complete rebalancing effect. It makes me fall asleep very quickly laying on these pads for like five minutes. It's an interesting thing. I could use that, especially these days. But yeah, I copied this down from your work. You say you've had a crazy experience using a substance circuit, and it's been a truly formative experience that has led to many rabbit holes. This is the Eamon biocircuit. Yeah. So that was a really crazy experiment. So back in the day, oh my God, like 20-ish years ago, I was never really a cannabis user. I've tried it maybe once or twice. And at the time, I was like, okay, there's this Eamon biocircuit thing. I built this biocircuit. This is really cool. And there was this substance circuit aspect that was super cool. I'm like, okay, let's give that a try, right? So what substance can I put into this substance circuit that's going to give me an effect that's going to stand out? It's not going to be like sticking some coffee in there, and I'm going to get maybe a little hyper. I want something that's going to just knock my socks off. So I put a little bit of weed in there, and we barely do it. This is weed that was like five years old. So I stuck it in a vial of water. Wires are going into there, and then going into this biocircuit connected to my body. And the craziest thing happened because after about 15 minutes, I started to feel these little tingles in my body. I'm like, okay, let's let it ride, right? So I continue on. I'm staying there for another 15 minutes beyond that. And before I know it, I am cracking up laughing. I'm having the time of my life laying down there. And beyond that, my wife, who's sitting 20 feet away from me in the living room, I'm in the dining room, she's just watching TV, she starts giggling and laughing too. It's like I became a transmitter of this cannabis field of energy. It was like pushing out of me into her. Both end up getting the munchies afterwards. It was a phenomenal experience. And to be honest, I've had trouble replicating it. I think there's something that you have to do to clean these things afterwards. It's a bit unknown to me and it's something that I've been obsessed about for a long time and I'm trying to understand and research it and replicate it more. Wow. That is a great story. Obviously speaks to my interest, but a substance circuit. So the premise is you could put a lot of different things in this substance circuit area and it's going to be transmitted to the person. In your case, it was cannabis, but I mean, you could do this with almost anything, right? That's right. In fact, I reached out to a guy who's selling these pads in New Zealand many years ago. And what he was telling me that I thought was super cool is that they were using them for, he had some of his clients placing cancer medications inside of there. And what was cool was these guys, you know, with the cancer meds, because you're getting the energetic effects of, I guess, the cancer killing chemicals, people were feeling or experiencing relief without the side effects. I mean, it's one of those things that does present reality as more of an energetic, consciousness-based experience that creates the illusion of a physical, hard, material world when really it's all just vibration and energy, to use the old Tesla quote. And stuff like that just is so great to me because our eyes deceive us so often and our society deceives us. And those kind of examples verify that what the mystics say is the reality. So I love that. And you mentioned Yannick Van Dorn, and that's interesting because it was him who really got me into this stuff. I actually got an email from a listener. It was really well laid out. It was, hey, I've heard you use the term electroculture a time or two. You're not really getting it. Here are the best people in the space. And Yannick was at the top of that list, and our interview fell through after many attempts. But I had a lot of this material built up. I was like, well, I got to find somebody else because otherwise this just goes in one ear and out the other. And you were also on that list. And so I'm glad you were able to do this with me. But with Yannick and others, I usually hear about it being copper coils that are just kind of put right into the earth, harnessing atmospheric energy, wrapped around a dowel. That's what I've done in my garden outside. And everything, they're kind of sporadic, but everything that has one is still alive. And many things that don't have died, just the conditions in Florida can be kind of harsh. But I am just curious why you go this other way. You do a lot of things with actual electrodes, and your antenna uses stainless steel. Talk to us about why you've made some of the choices that you've made to even buck the electroculture trends. To be honest, back in the day when I was first beginning, the only other person who was seriously on the scene was Yannick. It was really just Yannick and I. And at that time, Yannick was primarily using his magnetic antenna thing. He had this other device I still don't quite understand. It was called an Electrolet. I don't know if he still uses that type of thing. The coils, the spiral antennas that he was not using at the time, that came later. I believe he and Andrea Donnelly was another guy who is probably at the top of the list. And Andrea, being Italian, and with Luigi Iguina being Italian, I think there was a connection there. And Andrea started using those spiral antennas more. So on my path, I had the bias of being an engineer, and maybe we just tend to overcomplicate things. It's just in our nature. So with a background in microchip design and working on high-tech projects, I figure this becomes a great outlet for me to take what I do in my professional world and apply it to the garden and have fun with it. And so what I was doing at the time was start off with very simple things, like taking batteries and hooking them up to wires and running them into electrodes. So actually, what I was doing was taking what the old experimenters would do, where they were taking things like they were creating earth batteries, where they would take large plates of copper and zinc and connect them with a wire and put them end-to-end across a field. I think the largest length I heard was about 200 feet, which was pretty amazing to me. But to support that type of distance, they had to use really large plates, because large plates will have a large amount of current density that will push that electricity slowly through the field. And so I was thinking, well, rather than using these large plates, which could be expensive, I mean, this is the modern day. We have a gazillion sources of electricity, right? From batteries to wind power, to solar power, to newer things that's novel, but interesting, like microbial fuel cells. And there's just like a whole bunch of cool stuff out there to tinker with. And so I started off using solar cells and batteries, and also just plug-in-the-wall power supplies. And so I would tinker around with using DC. In fact, my very first experiment on the broccoli that I mentioned was just using a 5-volt power supply from a cell phone charger, where I hacked off the wires, wrapped them around some nails, put them into the soil with my broccoli. And we were growing a whole bunch of other broccoli plants. And I just put in like three or four broccoli plants into a separate container and tested it out. And the results were just astounding. Just from 5 volts DC all the time, 24-7 for weeks on end. And eventually over time, I was like, okay, that's cool. But, you know, what happens if we add frequency to it? Because, you know, we hear about frequencies affecting our bodies. I heard of RIFE technology for years. So I was thinking, okay, well, maybe we could try different frequencies on these plants and see if that makes it different. No one was talking about using frequencies. So I'm like, oh, hey, let's try frequencies. Or, you know, actually, I do think some researchers at the time were talking about different frequencies. So I decided to jump in on that action. And in tinkering with different frequencies, usually low frequencies in the range of like 1 hertz to say 50 hertz or 100 hertz cycles per second, I started to see changes. I would see some faster growth. I would see different effects coming about. Some plants would grow faster. Some would have different types of green growth. And it became a fascinating topic for me. And I started to tinker around with making devices. And that in itself became part of the fun and hobby of it, where rather than being a part of a design team, where it's like everything is compartmentalized, I got to work on all of it myself. And that was a lot of fun and very satisfying. Hell yeah. So people might ask, well, why do this? Why go through all this field of study to implement these things in a garden? What are the effects? I mean, I've heard two to three times the yield. I've heard faster growth, which is great because a lot of times it takes a while to be patient while this stuff you plant grows. I've also heard that it can be beneficial for pest control, which is probably my biggest problem here in Florida. I'm committed to organic and everything we're doing in this little food forest we got going, you know, is obviously food producing. Some of it is you just eat the leaves. I don't want my kids eating leaves that have had anything sprayed on them, but the pests are bad. Florida is a very buggy place. So I've even thought about frequency-based pest control because there's some things out there. I hear mixed reviews, but talk to us about the benefits of electroculture of supercharging essentially the soil around your plants and what the effects are. Sure. So there are many effects that happen to not only the plants themselves, but also to the soils. So when you apply electricity to, let's start with the soil, it causes a number of physiological changes to the organisms within the soil. For all of your aerobic microbes, it increases their reproduction rates as well as their metabolism. So any of the microbes or healthy microbes that you have in the soil that are a like nitrifying bacteria, that are taking a nitrogen, that are coming from a plant-based sources like legumes, they're going to transform them into a usable form by other plants way faster than on their own. They're also going to increase in numbers. So you're going to have an additional exponential effects going on, making your soil way more healthier than before. So that's on the soil side. And then on the plant side, there's a whole bunch of reactions that happen. It causes the emergence of many different types of growth hormones within the plant, from oxen and gibberellin and other kinds. It causes changes to pigmentation. So if you have plants that are normally like one shade of green, by applying the electricity to it, if it happens to be compatible in the right way, it'll make it even greener. So it will absorb more light than before. Turn more of that light into sugars and energy. And if you're growing in a place where there tends to be less light present, it's going to make your plants way more efficient to grow. It's going to be like having a light on them all the time, but you're not spending any energy costs. Because the amount of energy you need for electroculture is almost nothing. And we're talking, if you understand the terms, probably less than a microamp is needed to cause the, what I'm calling the electroculture effect, where it kicks off this effect. In addition to that, we see effects ranging from increases in yield, like Greg said, between two and three times. I've even heard people say as much as five times. It really depends on the situation. Beyond that, there are other interesting effects, like cold hardiness, drought hardiness. And those effects will tend to linger for at least two to three generations past the original plant stock. So it's really an amazing thing. Yeah, I mean, doubling and tripling the yield from a single plant is no small thing. And to quote your website, you say that your brand, Electric Fertilizer, is all about the study of the ancient art of electroculture, which accelerates and improves the growth of plants and other ecological systems using electrical or magnetic field-based technologies. Talk to us about this as an ancient art. Who knew what when? So ancient electroculture is a super fascinating thing. I never thought I would ever have an interest in archaeology or anything ancient of that type. But as I dove into this, I came across one of my favorite books in the world. It's called Seed of Knowledge, Stone of Plenty. By Burke and Halberg. Burke was a scientist. And so these guys would travel around the world to sacred sites from your ancient mountain societies to your temples from Cusco and Chichen Itza and other places around the world. And they would take with them to these sites various types of scientific equipment from magnetometers, electric field measuring devices. And they would also do their own experiments. So for instance, I believe at Chichen Itza, I have some pictures either on the blog post or in my book, as well as it's in their book as well, of course. They did their own experiments replicating the way life was for the ancients. And so what the ancients would do as part of their fertility rituals, and I grew up watching like 80s movies and I always think of fertility rituals as being something that involves some sort of sacrifice or something like that. It was nothing like that really, or maybe it was, but at least in this angle of it, what I thought was really cool is from a fertility ritual point of view, people would take baskets of seed and take it to the top of these mounds or pyramids. And what they found out is that as the sun comes up over the horizon, there's a blast of backed up electric field energy. And as it comes over the horizon, it blasts these seeds with these first big bunches of electric field energy. And they oftentimes will build these monuments on sacred sites. And these sacred sites are often on top of areas of geological fault that have their own built-in special amounts of electrical currents moving anyway. So you have potentially from the bottom up, you have a source of charge and you also have coming in from the atmosphere itself, a source of additional charge. And as these two worlds combine and the seeds are getting exposed to these large amounts of electrical and magnetic field energies, they're getting hit with this jolt of energy that creates the conditions for them to survive pests, for them to survive disease, for them to be resilient against early frost and drought condition. It superpowers these seeds, making them not only resilient, but also very high producing, producing the yields. And what they found is that societies that have these mounds or pyramids, they tend to outperform other societies that don't have these structures in place. I would argue that it's because of these special superpowers from them being able to tap into science. You know, the science of electromagnetics. That's so crazy and it makes you wonder how they discovered such a thing. A lot of times you ask them or you look at their documents and they say, well, we heard a voice. Some kind of spirit told us or something like that. But it helps explain why sun worship was such a big thing in the ancient world because clearly they see the sun as like almost an entity that is like supercharging or giving its gift to the thing they need to survive. And you can find documentaries like Eat the Sun and people like Dr. Jack Cruz who talk about the importance of standing barefoot on the earth, looking at the sun without sunglasses at that exact time of sunrise, that the qualities of the light are different and very important for your health. And before you start taking any pills, for any condition, you know, try that for 30, 60 days. It's totally free and just see what it does. It also resets your circadian rhythm so your sleep is better. Sleep is how we heal. So it all works together. We are part of the bigger system. We're not isolated from it. And Dr. Jack Cruz talks about the reason why we get sunburned, the reason so many people are like, oh, I got to slather myself in these chemicals so I don't get sunburned. It's because you shelter yourself from the sun all the time and then you take one vacation to the beach and you go out at noon. It's like, well, yeah, it's not how it works. You know, that's not how we were designed to work. So all kinds of crazy stuff with the sun and grounding and it is funny like just how you mentioned you didn't think you'd have an interest in ancient cultures but there are so many entry points to what I call the big conspiracy. Some people don't like that term. It's loaded these days but just you find one thing and it's like, well, how can this work? It changes the way you look at the world. Say, well, why don't more people know about this? Oh, they did and it's suppressed? Oh, what's that about? Some kind of industrial big ag thing and they don't want it out there? It's like, oh, well, man, they are hiding or obscuring or dismissing the very best mechanisms for the things in their field. I wonder what that could be about. And then it translates to other things and you really can go down some serious rabbit holes. But in terms of the ancients, I've also heard you mention that they were using a lot of special rocks. You say dolmens and cairns. I'm not familiar with those terms except for your podcast but they're putting quartz in the garden and they're using paramagnetic stones and it seems like we could say there was some intention and some knowledge about what carries charge and what doesn't and you see that in the structures of their gardens outside of the pyramid thing, right? That's right. This idea of using paramagnetic materials came from this guy Phil Callahan. He was an entomologist who did a lot of research into the rounds towers of Ireland and there have been a number of people who have taken on that mantle and sort of taken it way forward like Alana Moore who's grown a huge following and she's done a lot with creating these paramagnetic towers that have been I think very popular since the 70s where they install these towers they're basically tubes filled with paramagnetic rock that are emulating these round towers of Ireland and people are experiencing massive growth massive charged soil from the use of these structures in their yard and on their land and it's something that totally baffles me because again for like my science mind I'm like how does this even work because apparently I think I heard a metric from Yannick or someone that the field that gets emitted from one of these towers is three to five times its height and unfortunately I don't have enough land where I live to be able to test that out myself but I've done some micro experiments so I've been making and fabricating some of these concrete cones using paramagnetic materials and I've seen some effects of them by burying the cones in the soil I'm like okay I'm seeing like effect but that's like a very close range I can understand if you have buried cones or buried paramagnetic materials that it could have an effect on your plants the way it works with paramagnetic materials what they're doing is they're collecting localized magnetic field energies and they're concentrating it within the materials and it becomes just a more concentrated magnet but it's modulated by the local magnetic field conditions one of the things that we learn is that if you have a static magnetic field that's helpful but there's something special that comes from frequency and from being in tune with the energy of Gaia the energy of Earth right and so the thought is that with these paramagnetic materials it's concentrating local magnetic field phenomena which is modulated based on the global electrical circuit so as you have high amounts of electric charge running through the atmosphere you have this idea of the Schumann resonance frequencies range from like 7 to 11 and there's different harmonics of this field that are going on and it affects the magnetics all over the planet with this very complex mix of frequencies and energy and you can think of these paramagnetic materials as picking up on those very subtle energies and concentrating them into a small area that your plans could pick up on and so that's the way I look at it and understand it it's something that's just been tickling me for a long time and I've been researching it I've been doing my own experiments with paramagnetism how to measure it yourself you could buy these expensive meters for measuring paramagnetic materials but I'm like surely you'll need something to do that so I'm working on a blog post and some video posts on how you could do that yourself take some simple measurements and verify that the materials that you're buying are truly in fact paramagnetic yeah that's the issue that I always wrestle with is you know am I getting the right thing I always just want to get the best thing I'm like point me to the one thing I'll pay for it I'll put it in I don't have a lot of time for trial and error but man that is probably something I should look into paramagnetic towers I mean I see the ones in Ireland I hear some wild claims there's even claims that monks or people who really knew this energy could stand at the top of two different towers and channel their telepathic communications to each other there's even stories that you could put water around the base and it would actually filter up through the rock to the top weird claims I don't know and we aren't exactly sure what they did with them I guess but we see them you go out in the woods of Ireland and there's a tower there and that person who built it and the culture that appreciated it is no longer around so we have to reverse engineer it and figure it out and these are some of the effects and if there are weirder ones it would be a long time before I think we really could nail that down I imagine there's some correlation between these paramagnetic towers and what you're mentioning about them sitting in these moats of water think of the like say the Washington monument right we have all these sacred sites within our country and all over the world we have these obelisks that are standing by themselves but they oftentimes have water features underneath them they're sitting in little moats of water what is that doing it's amplifying the effects of this in fact I don't know if you've heard of this there was a project I think it was called the fountain project I think it was called the fountain and there was a website called the fountain and it was about this town somewhere maybe in Europe somewhere where there was a central fountain in the center of the town and the society of the town was not doing so well but some small group of people decided to put their energy into praying or putting positive vibes into the fountain in the center of the town and before you knew it more and more people started putting their energies into this fountain and it transformed the town into a place where things were vibrant and there was more commerce and things evolved like black and white to color I wish I could remember the name of it that was a fascinating little story yeah I believe that too and it's not an either or we can stack benefits you can play music for your plants with an electric culture antenna there and then also pray to them Dr. Dean Radin his book magic is real the big experiment that he talks about there is highly trained monks praying over crops and you see the same thing with the electric culture experiments the control looks fine and then the experimented on crop looks super charged and you know that's just one thing we could stack all this stuff and we could really create an abundant world even though we're told that everything is just so scarce so with the ancients that's great that's one thing but then I understand that in terms of documentation in the more modern world this started around the 1700s late 1700s you have French German Italian scientists working with this in terms of that resurgence I guess we'd call it a resurgence it seems to go from the late 1700s and then fell into controversy you said he is a pretty neutral term in the 1920s so many things we talk about around here kind of fell apart after the 1920s and the robber baron industrial age funny as that may be talk to us about this little segment of time between the 1800s basically it was a time of massive growth of electroculture it was flourishing in Europe it made its way into the states and it was doing really great over there there was researchers all over the world getting into electroculture in fact it was even in India India had a blow up of electroculture in the 1800s and early 1900s time frame and it was a time of great experimentation of trying out all sorts of different technologies early on it was using earth battery type technologies that eventually turned into using batteries with earth batteries and eventually as the technology evolved they started creating generators and dynamos and they were using AC sources in addition to the batteries which were DC and then they eventually figured out how to make high voltage and they had high voltage grids covering lands you had like towers and a grid of wires all over a field with a shack perhaps that would generate the high voltages and underneath the soil they have the grounding side of things so you're basically stimulating a lightning storm often they would have these things turned on for hours at a time and they would see magnificent growth of their plants but what's interesting is I believe I'm not great with my history but it was my understanding that it was after World War one and during the war they essentially went into fertilizer for making bombs and then after the war ended you have all this remaining chemical leftover that they discovered was useful for improving the growth of crops and so the way I thought of it and the way others have speculated is that why promote the growth of crops in this magnificent way for free when you could sell a consumable product and make bank on that and so that's what I think happened and I think that's where whether it's suppression or they just shoved it into the sidelines or disinformation who knows what campaigns were going on at the time but I imagine when you have big money behind a consumable product you're going to have everything that's going to be in its way especially during a time when there's lack of regulation I think there's going to be a big problem with that yeah that's well said that is why I I know I use the term conspiracy to say a lot of times it's just good business like we have a system where you're supposed to make as much money as you can and be cutthroat about it or that's the way people rise to the top and so if you get the results you want which is what they did you can direct things any which way and I hadn't heard it necessarily equated to fertilizers from bomb making but we know Monsanto was a chemical company that was making weapons and then they rebranded it to roundup and it's a weed killer it's essentially a poison don't get it on you put it on the bad life that you want to kill it's really not much different it's a war in the front lawn instead of a war overseas but yeah it's the whole industrial system it just seems to be based on consumables like you say no matter what field for fuel it's coal and gas when we know there are more abundant alternatives that are easier for the individual to cultivate hemp and alcohol both could run cars before they suddenly couldn't and of course chemical fertilizers and pesticides have to be constantly reapplied and farmers don't have access to making them so it's another never ending consumable propping up another set of billion dollar companies that's what conspiracy is to me a lot of times it's just the business practices that we built this society on and them getting way out of control I don't know how to reel it back but it's just acknowledgement of all that and then re-allowing the information from the 1800s to resurface essentially but you know the fertilizers and pesticides a lot more profitable than a few antennas in the ground right exactly I mean what's great now is that the cat's out of the bag we have our Facebook group with over 200,000 members or just about that there are other Facebook groups that are growing by leaps and downs as well and it's great that there are people from all over the world getting together and sharing the technology and spreading this knowledge worldwide so we could reverse the trend and get the knowledge out there hell hell yeah hell yeah and I just love the whole thing because people talk about a great awakening and sometimes I roll my eyes about how silly that gets but as we've talked about when you discover this kind of resurgence of information in one area you start to ask well if this was done if this was suppressed what else could be suppressed and you start to open up to all other things and so there are hundreds of thousands of people that are learning about this through gardening and then hundreds of thousands of people learning about fuel from their knowledge of automobiles or this or that or learning about Schauberger or learning about Wilhelm Reich and yeah it's easy to kind of get warm and fuzzy about the fact that a lot of this stuff is coming back and that is a beautiful thing I wanted to talk a little bit more about the pyramid stuff because it's a weird one another thing that Yannick is big on but if you place a copper or metal pyramid structure just even the outline the wireframe outline of a pyramid over plants they grow better this is just a thing people who meditate say it's helpful for them to do it inside a pyramid structure whenever you see crunchy meditators hippie types mocked in mainstream media they'll be meditating under a pyramid because it's just a thing that we like to mock but it has a real effect and I don't know how that can work I guess it just wells up energy but talk to us about why you think this pyramid shape has such an energetic effect and is widely applicable to many different things honestly it's something that I don't think we all have a real appreciation for there have been a number of books written on this idea of pyramids and pyramid power shape power and this has become a topic of great interest for me and my partner Rayleigh Bacon we talk about this at length on our podcast and we're working on our second season right now which includes a number of episodes on this topic but what's cool about it as a scientist type person the first thing when it comes to this pyramid energy is is it real or not and so I would encourage you build your own pyramid try it out it's super simple you can make pyramids out of paper cardboard wood or metal I know Yannick promotes the use of copper or metal for it but I've seen successful experiments using anything from fiberglass to wood and paper in between in fact I heard that there was once a packaging company or a company that was making some sort of milk product that was using pyramid shaped containers so the milk would last longer absolutely genius but in terms of the shape power the way I think of it is I think our reality is ruled by energies you know so while I'm a massive fan of the mainstream physics of electricity and magnetism there's the subtle world which is I think even more dominating but we have no conscious awareness of it now it is possible to become aware of it I mean just think of it you're in your kitchen and the cabinet door is open you walk past it you feel like this sense of discomfort the sharp edge of the cabinet door sticking out and feel awkward and uncomfortable you close it if it was just like a photograph of it it would make no difference but there's something like a shape energy that comes off of that sort of thing yeah the feng shui is off exactly the feng shui is off in fact in feng shui they have this idea called the poison arrows where if you have sharp corners sharp edges I've been looking into the topic of geobiology and bioenergetic fields I've been deep corners there are these fields that come off of these sharp corners that are uncomfortable to light and if you think of it our entire modern world is built with sharp corners yeah right but then I look at pictures of these southwestern adobe homes with curved surfaces curved insides and they are soothing and I'm like oh my god I so want to have one of those homes because there is something natural and right about it and I think there's while pyramids they're concentrating their energies using that shape power and concentrating with the fields from all four of those angles into the center and the plants they pick up on that and they achieve some benefit I think the angles have something to do with it but not necessarily because we see that pyramids of different angles and different shapes whether it's a Nubian pyramid that has a sharper point or the Cheops period the Giza pyramid that has a more oblique point to even flat based pyramid structures that have pyramid sides but a flat top there are energetic qualities there as well so I think there's just something about the sloping sides that has a difference but the top is not necessarily the most important aspect of it but shape effects everything and again it's another topic of deep exploration that one could dive into yeah and it can't be coincidence that the pyramid shape has these effects and we have these big pyramid monuments all over the planet seems pretty clear to me that they were built for their energetic effects maybe extreme meditation astral travel machines or the center of their vast agricultural operation or likely both I don't think they were afraid to stack benefits but you have these people in the alternative world who are researchers who are saying oh it was a giant power plant or it was like some big weapon or machine it's like there's not gears and all this stuff inside like I know that they've been looted and all that but they're just structures of stone and they're all over the place and they have different motifs and a reactor as some people try to say it's just when you learn about the pyramid shape effect it's like yeah that's what it is it is stacked stone sure you can crawl around inside it if you want to go through some chambers and maybe the king's chamber maybe that's where you do have serious liftoff because astral travel is a thing if you built a machine or it is technically you're in ancient egypt in a non-digital world and you can blast your mind off throughout the cosmos like yeah that's a pretty big fucking deal that's probably something that they'd venerate and appreciate and then other cultures you know aztecs all kinds of cultures had that stuff so I think they were made to amplify astral travel and meditation and then also we know to charge seeds it's just an energy amplifier of the natural energy it's not something you gotta plug in or have any cordage for right it's totally natural and easy and anyone could make it you just need some sticks and some angles attached together it's a technology that's available for everyone nothing fancy required yeah it's not so mysterious when you think about it that way and sure maybe it's aligned with the star system maybe that amplifies things we really don't know much about that I actually heard you talk about a book I'm not sure if it was you or Rayleigh Baker one of you guys in one of your podcasts was talking about this book the star mirror the cosmic symmetry of heaven and earth seems pretty wild it's as above so below kind of stuff but as an example Mount Everest and its congruence with Alpha Centauri Earth's biggest mountain and Earth's closest star apparently there's a lot of symmetrical aspects of the Earth's natural features and the cosmos above and it comes from this book right yeah exactly and we were thinking that in addition to the energies that are present within the pyramid structures themselves that perhaps there's a greater energetic effect like a macro scale energetic effect that comes from the alignment of these geological features and the man-made features that are placed in accordance with them like in feng shui everything's about relationship and angles and there's just something there that we're all it's on the tip of our tongue we can't access it quite yet and when the technology comes available that will give us the ability to see these energy fields around us it's going to be like aha but I think we're also heard you say that some of the stone megaliths that aren't pyramid shaped could have been applied to this sort of system like maybe Stonehenge was originally a garden or something like that I wouldn't say that it was necessarily a garden but I could see it as another place where one could go to charge their seeds because of the geometries of it the alignments had some special significance actually Stonehenge is not something I'm too aware of except that I think they were made with something called bluestone and all the stones have very special properties to them they have some electric field emanations or magnetic field emanations they were probably built over some sort of false region but I think all of these sacred sites were probably originally made for helping with the agrarian societies and then over time they were probably adapted for higher consciousness work as well like astral travel and so on from there yeah I think that makes a lot of sense that it's not really something permanent like a garden but it's a multifunctional space of energy amplification and whatever you want to do that day you can go and do charge your stones or meditate or maybe you have a very important prayer or someone in your family is sick maybe you can bring them there have them spend the day in that area that kind of thing yeah exactly I mean I think about how churches and monasteries are built over these places of high geological fault areas for amplifying the consciousness fields that are present within those spaces you know there's a lot of healing that takes place in these sacred spaces and I would imagine that even before the creation of these various buildings and structures with sacred geometry and their antenna structures and all the features that go into them that in the natural world people were building as you mentioned earlier cairns and dolmen stacked rock structures or standing stone to concentrate these natural energies into a single place where people could take advantage of them in a stacked way from seed charging to helping with healing and helping the healing the sick maybe the ancient witch doctors or shamans would utilize those areas as well yeah I'm with you I think it makes a lot more sense everybody's arguing about was it this or that and it's like I think it's just it's everything it's the place for everything and and and man so let me ask you this if you took like an acre of land and you wanted to really make the most abundant robust food forest you know I say food forest because we're not talking about little raised beds we're talking about like putting plants in the ground where they're supposed to be in a natural landscape but you wanted it to supercharge your yield I mean what would you structure to get the best benefit because I hear you talk about AC versus DC and high voltage of course I mentioned you're not really selling items that are copper you're using other materials so I guess you know what type of charge what type of materials would you put a big paramagnetic tower in the center what would you do with a blank canvas of an acre of land to use all the energetic principles for the maximum benefit I would probably take a very stacked approach I wouldn't treat it like a scientific experiment or I want to try one thing and another thing separately I want to stack things up so the first thing I would do is I would want to make sure that my soil was in the best pristine position as possible I probably want to start for the soil test and see what's the present soil makeup and add into the soil mixing in amendments so I want to bring in animals bring in natural manures and start with the soil level first and along those lines I will also be doing an energetic field study with dowsing rods either map dowsing or physical on premise type dowsing or a combination of both and find the best locations to install paramagnetic towers while also adding paramagnetic and rock elements to the soil mix itself from there I would then be looking at water sources where's the water coming in on the property and if it's coming in from a natural stream and being pumped onto the land perhaps I'd be thinking okay let's energize this water as it's coming on in let's add in magnetic treatments let's add in Schauburger vortices type of treatments you know like Dr. Dan Winters type stuff I'd want to do everything possible to maximize that benefit I'd be looking at where am I keeping my seed what type of structure is it stored in let's start moving that seed underneath some large pyramid and start charging those pyramids charging the seed underneath those pyramids I'd also be installing as I start planning out my garden area whether I'm doing it something decorative or trying to make something that has some sort of a sacred geometry pattern I'd be digging out my rows for where I want to place my seeds and I'd be submerging wires into the ground for running electricity through those wires probably doing a mix a stacked mix of running electrical currents from solar powered pulsers so I could experiment with seeing which types of frequencies work best for given types of plants while at the same time I'd be mixing in that type of magnetic antenna type of technology so they're getting access to not only the static magnetic field from say a ionic type of device but also the pulse magnetic field and the electrical bleed off from DC electroculture that I found to be so effective as well so I think that would be like the main parts I would be starting off with I'm not sure I would have a electroculture antenna sticking up in the middle of it it depends on whether I want to look up at the sky and have a nice bare open sky because like I said there's many sources of electricity and if you're using those towers that are collecting atmospheric electricity the way I see it is those were primarily made because they have limited access to modern ways of making electricity back in the day and some folks consider those things to be an eyesore similar to having wind generators sprinkled across America or the land so on one level I like the idea of having my 168 point electrostatic energy collector sitting up in my yard oh that's really cool I made that or that looks really neat it's so unique looking I might have it as a sculpture on one side of it as a sculpture garden area of some interesting devices that I've made or that other people have made to accentuate the artisticness of electric culture that I so love and enjoy but for the majority of my land I would use stuff that's more hidden modern approaches use natural solar energy and paramagnetic concentrators to build up the soil along with energized water and seed right on I like it what about putting one of those antennas that you sell on a home on the corner of a home or all four corners of a home that's right so if you have a home you could place these things on each corner of your home to access different gardening areas or even just one corner of your home and run the wire into your garden area it has lots and lots of points and spikes on it so it's going to collect a lot of energy and by running that into your garden area you can run it as a loop into all of your different planting areas and the energy will bleed off into all of those areas improving the growth of all of your plants I wondered if it would have an effect on the people living in the home might be able to get some positive energy bicker a little less kids calm down I don't know I don't know about that so I've done some experiments well I'm not going to say experiment it was really more of a demonstration type of thing where I ran one of these antennas into my chicken coop I haven't seen any great results because I'm not really comparing them but what they did is he would take the output from these antennas and run them into the chicken half and run them right next to the fields are touching the chickens as they're laying their eggs or roosting there at night they're getting access to the health benefits of magnetic field technology so to what you're saying on one level you could have grounding mats in your home people buy grounding mats for their beds people buy grounded shoes where it has metal points on the bottom that allow them to be connected to the earth even though they your sleeping area so as you're resting at night you could be picking up natural earth energies they're funneling into your body as magnetic fields and then they're coming out of your body through your grounding mats so again it might be a nice way of stacking up these different technologies for your home health I like it I was also thinking about just how could this be applied to different products and this pyramid is interesting but what about pyramid shaped growing cubes those little cubes that people start their seedlings in and then they usually just take those like the sponge like material and put that right in the soil what about making that more pyramid shaped I would imagine that could have an effect and then you're not just putting the seeds on something temporarily but it's baked right into the plant itself yeah cubes in the form of a pyramid that's a great invention for someone to pick up you should get royalties for that hey I'm I'm thinking I should but you know you've got the store you make all kinds of cool stuff which is really what I well let me ask you this first so that we can keep the products closer to the very end but are there favorite people in the field alive or dead that you've learned from that you think people should really dive into I imagine this Justin Christoflo is one of them yeah Justin Christoflo is one of the main guys I believe he's from France and he's the one who came up with this idea of it's a very interesting antenna looking thing it kind of an an an that's sitting on top of a pole with a bunch of spikes sticking out of it and what's cool about it for me is that it's probably the first of its kind that it's using different types of energy collectors all within the same apparatus it has the spikes for collecting the atmospheric electricity it has a plate on top of there for collecting raindrop charged raindrops and as they hit the plate the electricity flows down the wire it has some basic type of there's two different metals within there where I think if the plate gets cooler while the rest of the system is hot it'll generate a small amount of electric charge plus it has a magnet on there where it has that magnetic antenna effect where it takes that magnetic energy and also running it down the wire so it was a pretty amazing stacked system for pulling in all sorts of different electromagnetic energies into your gardening environment so definitely a fan of his work in fact I think he's probably my favorite one I think a lot of credit needs to go to a number of the researchers out there who have done the work of electrophysiology Andrew Goldsworthy is one that I enjoyed his work British researcher and I think there's a guy John Neuer he did research with orgone energy and plants and that's a really cool topic that's something I've been very interested in for a long time I once had this device I bought from an old catalog that I don't think is around any longer it was called tools for exploration but they had this device was called a beamer and it was basically a cylindrical device it was basically an orgone transmitter in the form of a tube and what was cool was you held up this tube and you could hold your hand up against it and you could feel this energy in your hands and so there's a lot of really cool areas that you could touch upon with orgone and there's something I'm interested in researching and experimenting and building devices for so that's one of my loves with all of this really is the inventing and the building of various types of contraptions it really lights me up to tinker and to build things up and make things that other people enjoy and purchase from all over the world and install in their gardens and homes yeah and I would love to see this stuff at a big scale an industrial scale even just a small family farm scale usually it's just individuals in backyard plots and that's fine that's cool but I really would love to see it get amped up because I hear even flavor is affected by a lot of this stuff and that's intriguing that's a test I'd like to do sometime exactly so flavor is affected by it it makes perfect logical sense if you could think of not only the plants producing more sugars because they're becoming greener in color and creating more sugar as a source of energy you're also getting all sorts of other effects where it's creating different type of compounds are being created changing flavor profiles it's a very popular thing in the cannabis industry now because by applying electroculture to cannabis where everything is about the uniqueness and different flavor profiles and different ratios of THC and different types of THCs involved I am absolutely sure even though I'm not embedded in that industry that there is a lot going on there in fact I remember being amazed early on one of the first tests on the cannabis plant I think it was the electric lemon G strain where the grower of that strain hit the seeds with a stun gun and ended up winning the cannabis cup in that particular year now there's turning a weaponized technology into a beneficial one that's awesome you got to flip it okay so before we wrap this products in the store obviously you have a book people can get but you also have the harvest storm line of products and the biggest thing you sell is the atmospheric energy collector made out of stainless steel talk to us about this range of products and their uses so I have a number of products that I've created and I sell so the first one is for people who are interested in getting involved with DC electroculture I have a very simple device it's meant for indoor use at the present time I've made larger versions of it in the past but I prefer keeping simple and low cost for the average consumer so that one puts out a pulsed energy field that you could apply to single plants but you could also apply to a number of plants by placing electrodes further apart from each other those devices are also expandable where you could buy additional add-on modules to daisy chain to multiple plants multiple pots and then go as large as you want to go because you'll just need a tiny amount of current to create the effect I've also created my own atmospheric collector antenna has 168 gold plated points and it comes with a metal rod and all the connecting hardware so all you need to do is zip tie it or attach it in your preferred way to your home or a metal post or a long fishing rod there are many ways that people use these things and they install them in their gardens and then when you install them into the grounds what you're going to do is run the wire through your plants you run wires shielded or unshielded if they're a shielded wire you'll get the magnetic field effect from the magnetics that flow around the wire but if you have a wire that's unshielded you're going to get this electrical bleed off where it's going to slowly put the energy into the soil around it as well and because it has 168 points compared to the crystal flow version that has maybe 30 points you're getting a lot more electricity a lot more bang for your buck in a very small area on top of that I sell paramagnetic cones they come with wires that are underneath them so you could basically stick the cone underneath your soil bed and then run the wire underneath the rest of your plants in a given row and that magnetic energy that's getting concentrated is going to flow throughout that wire and give benefit to all the plants within that row as well my books are available online at multiple different sources they're available on amazon and gumroad and you can find my books basically through my website electricfertilizer.com or through energeticgrowers.com if you go to energeticgrowers.com we have a free spiraled antenna guide Ray and I put together this really amazing guide that talks about the basics of spiral antennas you'll also get on to our mailing list from there where you'll get access to our podcast and all of our blog posts that we've been publishing together including reposts from some of the previous blog articles I've written back from 2014 or so so we have a lot to offer come check us out we're working on courses and other materials that will be coming your way and thanks for supporting us yeah hell yeah good pitch I like it and I appreciate you doing this I guess it's not as exciting to people who aren't at least growing something but I think we all should we all should have at least a raised bed or something on the patio we need a vast decentralized network of abundance and everyone can participate in that to some degree so I appreciate the info keep doing what you do doing anything all right will do okay and here we are back to your irregularly scheduled programming this is one I had banked pre election I tried to do that with these sort of timeless subjects but now that we've talked to a few people about the big crazy geopolitical chess game shit show it seems like a good time to return to things that we can actually engage with things that highlight the magic and mystery of the natural world things that can improve your experiences with growing your own stuff it really is insane and I'm glad we got to fit pyramid power in there too because it's just so weird that the energetic structure of a pyramid has effects even with no moving parts or mechanical aspects to it clearly it's not a coincidence that that shape is in giant structures scattered all across the ancient world I said this at the beginning but I really like this electroculture subject because it sort of validates the ether or atmospheric energy it's provable and it's testable and so why isn't it used at scale well we know why but it certainly can incept some people into thinking on our level and being a little more critical and skeptical of the intentions of most of the industry masters and that too is why I like the history of it because it's not just an unknown thing it's a suppressed thing intention was put into erasing this information so out of spite I like to cover it here when people say you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube or you can't contain a secret once it's out or you can't control education or the way an entire examples I would cite to those people but if it's possible with something this simple and practical and freely available it's possible with anything to control information around a subject or even create the guardrails as to how people think things even work no small thing so big thanks to David he really did a great job bringing it and I also have to thank the listener who recommended David he actually sent me a well written to the point bullet pointed list of a few recommendations in permaculture slash electroculture and it was so well presented that I dug into all of them and that's how we got the Mark Shepard episode too but this listener recommended Yannick Van Dorn and I went back and forth with Yannick he actually no showed on me at least twice maybe three times because you once I've done the prep work and I have my outline I'm pretty much ready to go at any moment so I'll really bend over backwards at that point just to not let it go to waste but I eventually just had to stop rescheduling with them I mean I got two kids under three I've done well but my house isn't so big that there's anywhere they can go and be loud without it getting picked up in the office here so to get them out of the house and have a guest not show up it's pretty frustrating but whatever we all got our stuff Yannick is a big name in the space though he knows a lot about electroculture he's a good resource if you want to dig deeper but I like that even within electroculture there are different people doing just drawing down subtle energy with copper obviously you heard the show but he does sell an atmospheric antenna that you can get and in the second hour we got a bit weirder and a bit more personal we talked about creating paramagnetically charged soil high strangeness attractors of energy advanced dowsing benefits energetic qualities of water and charged water experiments David's water chi experiments how to see auras and feel chi energy entity channeling and what David would do with an acre as a blank canvas to supercharge his food production but you all know how it works the free first hour is just the half of it eight bucks a month for five two hour shows a month best deal in counterculture conspiratorial podcasting now with the custom RSS feed you don't even need to use your username and password just copy and paste the URL and you got THC plus and whatever podcasting app you like to use also in higher side news the first round of the outline eBay auction is over I sold 27 outlines for a grand total of $1469.81 an average of $54 per outline the $43 that went unbid on got auto relisted so those will be up there actually I think for maybe a day no it's less than 24 hours so check the link in the show notes if you have any interest in that I'll probably add a few more and relist those again so we should have stuff I don't know all the way until the first week of January so that's how it's going for the people who like those kind of details kind of interesting everybody seems very happy with what they get and it's working out for me and speaking of things that are working out the last episode with Gordon was definitely well liked at a 4.7 with at least two people saying they accidentally rated it lower than they wanted to it does happen but 4.7 you know that's good and Gordon is clearly a long time staple he knows a lot about a lot he finds the right people to extract information from he synthesizes it well I'm not surprised it was well liked and I do hope we get to do an in-person event in 2025 and speaking of in-person events let's look at the meetup calendar for those wondering I did go to the Tampa event my wife's friend's husband went with me otherwise I might have had to pass but he was willing to give it a shot and I think he was a little curious about what kind of audience I might attract and it was good about 12 14 people in all right on the bay at a great little bar there met several cool people and heard how THC helped a few people one guy lost over 150 pounds and turned his life around largely due to the guests on THC another was stuck under very strict COVID lockdown in Panama it seems like Panama was more draconian and strict than most other places and they used THC to cope with that another woman had been listening for 11 years and likes THC more than any other podcast so it was really great big thanks to the professional anthropologist attending the conference who set up this event because he manifested a good night for a dozen people or so and that's a beautiful thing how often do we do that ourselves but when it comes to the other events on the calendar we have one in Humboldt California November 30th I think that's a new one so not a lot of time to tell people about it but hey if you're in the Humboldt area check it out December 9th Auckland New Zealand Galebrath's Alehouse December 21st Denver Colorado and that's really it three events left to close out the year probably won't have any more if you got something for December you want to throw out there you should though I know December is a busy month for many people either way find other locals who think like you engaging with stuff is what life's all about but there we have it another podcast launched out into the digital ocean and one more to go before we close the books on November and I'll see you then electric fertilizer dot com for all David's stuff I thank him for his time fun guy let him know you enjoyed it there aren't a lot of places for someone deep in electric culture to promote their work I'm happy to be one of those places and I really want to see the work continue so at least give him a good attaboy if you got the time but I love you guys thanks for listening obviously Thanksgiving's coming up I hope that you're not dealing with people that are so ideologically captured that they can't even enjoy a meal it's very easy to do and there's a tendency to write these people off but think about it from a different more empathetic perspective that it has to be very exhausting to be so mind controlled really though I don't want to sound condescending about it family is what it is but it's nice to spend time with those people that are oftentimes responsible for why you're here because you never know when the last time will be but I've done my part your move electroculture quarantiners natural system suppressors and chemical based bastards your fucking they tell us we can't do it growing food is far too hard don't even try just trust us we're bringing in the barge we know it's not the freshest and it's soaked in toxic spray we can't have you believing that there's any better way now hold on a little minute I don't think what you say is true you're just shilling for the industry and this is long overdue go on flip the switch give those plants the juice drink from the electric river let that power let energy flow nature wants to grow you're thinking but it just won't work sound it's awfully complicated putting seeds in the dirt just take a load off what's on TV worry about anything else baby just not what you're gonna eat nutrition is low but you can't pay the rent with healthy living darling no say it's true you're just shilling for the industry and this is long overdue go give those plants the juice drink from the electric river that power nature wants to grow nutrition is low but you can't pay the rent with healthy living darling no no just shilling river grow grow