Dolan AKA Inversionism | Ancestral Wisdom, Big Pharma Harm, & The Backwards Info On Everything

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Well, in a time where schools make us dumber, the defense industry is all offense, doctors make us sicker, industrial foods are less nutritious, the most religiously pious people have the darkest demons, news is more lies than information, and our so-called elected leaders show the least competent leadership skills, it seems like a good day for a guest who posts under the account inversionism. His name is Dolan, and he's someone who's been swept up in many of the nefarious nets thrown into the stream of life from vaccine damage to poor diet, and through rigorous research, experimentation, and discipline, he's reoriented his life, healed his mind, body, and soul, and pays it forward to those still struggling. You can find him primarily on Twitter and Substack under inversionism, and I've learned a lot following him and thought you could too, so let's do it. The food and mood connector, injection knowledge injector, and ancestral wisdom resurrector. Dolan, welcome to The Higher Side. I am so happy to be here, brother. You are an absolute wordsmith. You're so good at it. I've been listening since like, oh, 2016, maybe 2015, somewhere around there. I started diving into the occult stuff, and your podcast was a major resource for trying to wrap your head around that. Sure. And then it's been a lot of health stuff mixed in too, and I love that you bring on people from all kinds of perspectives. You brought on people who are super plant-based, think eating meat is evil, and then you bring on the pro-carnivory side. I listened to a podcast yesterday with a guy that you were talking about the fiat money system and how that steers people away from animal foods, making them more expensive. That was a very interesting podcast, so I am so happy to be here. Oh, thank you, man. Too kind. And of course, I didn't mean to imply that we should just let the bad guys off the hook for serving up all this terrible shit in our society, but you're living proof that a regular person can do their own research, try out a few different ideas, because there is a lot of information to sift through, and ultimately self-correct and be able to say that you're not a victim of the many toxins constantly offered to us. There's a lot more we can do than we might think, and if we focus on ourselves and our choices first, it's probably the most important thing. And we can deal with the spraying later, I suppose, but I think you would agree with that broadly, right? Yeah, absolutely. The victim mentality is something I do not vibe with at all. I mean, you can talk about this stuff and tell people our food is poison, they're spraying nanoparticles in the atmosphere to affect the weather, and you can inundate people with this fear mentality of we're being constantly hit, but you should not be a victim to it. You should find that righteous indignation deep inside of you. You should find that healthy spite to tell these people to, you know, eat shit. I'm going to beat them. So that's where I'm at. Amen. Amen. So inversionism is a great account name. Everything really is backwards. Talk to us about your process of it. I understand you were vaccine injured twice, and that's really not even the half of it. What might people be interested to know about your life and research journey? Oh boy, where do I begin on that one? I will say for most of my 20s, honestly, from like age 18, when I first went to college, up until I was 26 and found the carnivore diet, I was a very antisocial person. I like being by myself. And I attribute a lot of that to the vaccine injury I got when I was 17. Mercury in your brain does some pretty wild things to your behavior and just your headspace. So I just spent a lot of time reading, researching, and mostly just trying to fix myself. That was my neuroticism. And I've always been like a troubleshooting kind of person. I worked in IT for like 10 years. So like my brain is kind of built to problem solve. And looking at the full spectrum of my 20s and what happened, it's really hard to pin it down to just one thing. It's a constant inundation from the medical system. So if we want to start back at the very beginning, when I was a little baby, I was born C-section. Apparently, when I was born, I inhaled a bunch of amniotic fluid. And that kind of set off my first couple of years of life of bad health, chronic lung problems, coughing, a lot of mucus, that kind of thing. And then I got a Tdap vaccine. I did not know this until a few years ago when I got my medical records, but I got a Tdap vaccine. And then I had a severe health crisis a few days later. I had pleural effusion, which is water around your lungs and heart, pneumonia. And then that developed into cyanosis, where you're not getting enough oxygen. And I died for a couple of minutes. Family had to rush me to the hospital. They cut my side open, sucked the fluid out, gave me a gnarly antibiotic called a fluoroquinolone, which are ridiculously toxic. And you can go look up fluoroquinolone antibiotics and reactions to them. And it's really horrifying what they can do. And there's also fluorine in there, which is another gnarly little neurotoxin. But that was my advent into the world. Just from the get-go, I'm just getting smashed by the medical system. About age four, five, six, I started getting a little bit healthier. But I remember always having random issues. I'd have pains in my arms that... I mean, I was called a hypochondriac by doctors. It's just in my head. You know that whole adage where they think it's all psychosomatic. But I always had these nagging pains. I would have this bad brain fog. I remember a period when I was like seven, eight years old. It was like kindergarten, first grade kind of area. I would have the sensation of the tip of my face. It just looked like I was seeing everything from the bottom of a well. It was a really weird sensation. And they thought it was related to vision. My left eye was not good when I was a child. I had to wear an eye patch for a few years. And I just, you know, lots of antibiotics, various medications. I think I tried Ritalin for a little bit because I couldn't focus in school. Throughout most of this, my diet was terrible. I mean, my parents didn't know better. Most parents don't know better when you're a kid. And up until about 16, 17, I was pretty good. Like my high school years were really nice. I had a lot of friends. I was a very social dude. I was in band. I played a lot of sports. I was a very outgoing, social, had relationships. And then I got that flu vaccine when I was 17 years old. And that's when everything started to change dramatically. And my understanding is that was a swine flu vaccine that you were required to get to play football. Yep. I could not play football unless I got it. And they were very adamant about that. And I didn't want to get it because at the time, my dad's side of the family was very anti-vaccine. But my parents don't know any better. Like they really didn't know that much about it. Luckily, my dad's never been vaccinated because my grandma is very based and knows what's up. She's like, they come from a line of cattle and dairy farmers. So they're, you know, big on nutrition, canning food preparation, stuff like that. But the thing I remember the most and like a lot of time after that was just me being like very isolated and wanting to be by myself. But that time, I remember my vision changed after I got the shot. Like when I was walking out of the doctor's office to go get my car and drive home. It's like I was looking at the bottom of a well. Again, that same sensation I had when I was a kid. And I think that was another vaccine reaction because you have to get a lot of vaccines to go to public school these days. And then I started having like bad chronic fatigue, you know, just like feeling really tired and sick, flu-like symptoms. I go home, I go to bed, I wake up in the morning. And I've been eating eggs every morning for like two years trying to put on muscle for football, like trying to get my protein in. Never had a problem with it. And the second I walk to the stove and I smell the eggs cooking, it gives me a monstrous ice pick headache. It was almost instantaneous. It was so weird. I've never had a headache like that before. And I ate eggs anyway. I tried going to school and I developed a full body rash. I started getting eczema and like cystic acne all over me. I remember being a lot more irritable and like on edge during that period of my life and getting into conflict with my dad. And from that point on, like I just struggled with health issues for up until I graduated high school, then I went to college. And I attributed it back then as me just being self-conscious because I had really bad cystic acne like all over my face, like really painful where I talked, it hurt. And I just didn't want to talk to people. I didn't want to make friends. I just was very agoraphobic and didn't want to socialize because I was self-conscious. But I think also the mercury injury does that to people. There's a documentary called Trace Amounts where a guy had a very similar experience with getting mercury from an injection. And from that point on, from 18, I was just constantly neurotically researching why I had that reaction and trying to understand what did it. And I just I use myself as a guinea pig. I tried every supplement known to man. I tried every diet, veganism, vegetarianism, paleo, low FODMAP because I also had Crohn's disease, which I think was started by the vaccine and then made significantly worse by antibiotics. I was given by a dermatologist, tetracycline and doxycycline. That's when the shitting blood came from. I didn't have that before. And then it came immediately after. So did you ever take Accutane? I almost did. I went to a dermatologist and I filled all the forms. They gave me all the disclaimers and whatnot. And I was super excited. I was like, oh, finally, I'm going to get rid of this acne and I'm going to not be self-conscious anymore. And I went to go fill a prescription like, yeah, by the way, it's going to be six hundred or five hundred dollars a month. And I couldn't afford that. And I'm very grateful that happened because I would have died, dude. That would have a hundred percent killed me with the state I was in. One of my closest friends was on Accutane and has Crohn's today and still deals with it and attributed to that. And back then when we were just finding out he was getting on this, there was a news story about a kid. It's so foggy in my mind, but a kid was like flying a helicopter and like took it down. And then the news was like, well, he was on Accutane and suicidal thoughts is related. It's a toxic form of vitamin A and it persists in your body for a ridiculously long amount of time. I've heard so many horror stories with Accutane, especially the mental because it dries out everything in your body. It's affecting the ability of every cell in your body to intake water. And now imagine what happens if your brain is starved of that water. It's one of the most toxic drugs on earth and we still give it to people. And I know someone who took Accutane and didn't have any problems from it. So I think there's another level of variability and like tolerability with a lot of pharmaceutical medications. Like some people can take Prozac and it doesn't destroy their life. Other people, their dick never gets hard again. They don't feel love anymore. Like it permanently lobotomizes them. So I think there are degrees of sensitivity. And I think a lot of that has to do with like detoxification and nutrition, the resistance to it. Right. And I think that it's so many stacked things against us that like you can handle one or two, but you throw in four or five things. And it's like, that's when you get those really terrible reactions. Life's a mystery. I mean, I just lost my dad who was 75 and really super healthy. My mom's 82 and never was as healthy as he was. And she drinks every day. Oh, sorry, man. And what can you do? I mean, it's just, you know, no one gets out alive. And if I get to 75, I guess I should be pretty happy. But, you know, you think about these things when people, you know, pass away and like, well, how did he get melanoma? Everybody says melanoma is from seed oils and not from the sun. My dad was out in the sun more than anyone I know. Never use sunscreen. So don't tell me it's a sunscreen thing. You know, it's just a lot of this stuff is abstract until you start thinking about the people, you know, and who behaves which way and who makes it and who doesn't. And sometimes I just want to throw up my hands and be like, fuck it. I should just have a good time. So much nuance. Like maybe he was spraying glyphosate every year for dealing with weeds. And there's so many things in our environment that can cause these downstream effects, especially we were talking about before the show, germ theory and virology. It's so myopic and simplistic in my mind now. Trying to attribute all disease to one singular little microscopic particle to causing all your symptoms is so nonsensical to me. It's illogical. And then you can look at papers on vitamin D and like, wow, if your vitamin D is above 50, you don't get the flu in the winter. So is it the virus causing the problem or is it the vitamin D deficiency? Same thing with measles. Like they found if you give kids enough vitamin A, if they eat enough vitamin A from food or like supplemental, if it's the right form, they don't get measles or they don't have a negative reaction to it. And it's a very minor disease. So it's like a chicken egg argument. What is causing what? What is it a susceptibility or is it the particle or the bacteria being the causal factor? Right. And I interviewed Del Bigtree years ago. And one of the things that stuck with me was he said that if you get measles and just go through a sick week, you're immune to certain soft tissue cancers later in life. But if you give the measles vaccine to people, they tend to get those cancers. So there's so much cause and effect that we don't understand. And when you're talking about decades, no one's thinking in those kind of time frames. And you have to kind of. Yeah. And I think the core of it is nutrition, obviously. And if you've listened to a bunch of my other podcasts, I'm very pro carnivory. In the conspiratorial space, I mean, it's kind of changed more recently. But initially, I mean, I was vegan plant-based before I went carnivore. So I had like all that indoctrination, like don't eat red meat. It causes bowel cancer. Saturated fat causes heart disease. I believe that stuff. I thought that that was true. And then I hear a podcast on Rogan with Sean Baker and like kind of plants a seed. I'm like, oh, that's interesting. But that sounds idiotic because of all these facts about nutrition that I accepted at the time. And then Jordan Peterson goes on a month later and talks about his autoimmune disease. And the thing that really got me was the eye floaters. My left eye, and I had mentioned, my left eye has always been my bad eye. And it has floaters in it where I would like seize like little squiggly marks in the sky. If I looked up, a very common symptom. It's an autoimmune thing. And his went away. And I'm like, okay, that's interesting. I've had that my entire life. And it's a degeneration problem. It's an autoimmune problem. I said, screw it. I'll try it. Like I've tried every other diet. Like what's it going to harm me? 30 days of eating nothing but meat. What's the worst that could happen? And two weeks later, I had no back pain. I had no joint pain. My mind was the clearest it's ever been. My gut, I was still, you know, like the loose poops that happened to a lot of people on carnivore meat only. Very watery shits. I had that still, but there was no pain. I had no pain in my gut like I'd had for 10 years straight. It was a constant everyday thing. I woke up in the morning, my gut hurt. And then once I had a bowel movement, it was a little bit okay. And then it hurt later in the day. And that was the first time I ever had relief from it. And immediately in my mind, that's where the inversionism thing came from is once I wrapped my head around the fact that everything I had learned in my 20s about diet and health, mostly plant-based focused, was a complete inversion. Completely backwards. And then you start digging into ancestral history, you know, Weston Price's work, I'm sure you're very familiar with. Sally Fallon, wonderful lady. I have a great amount of respect for those people and the knowledge you're sharing. But you start realizing, wow, all this inversion started kind of in the 40s and 50s. You know, Diet Heart Hypothesis, Ancel Keys, sugar industry funding studies that vilify saturated fat. Kellogg's. Yeah. And you find out like Seventh-day Adventists who are basically eugenicists and thought that masturbation was evil and we should just kill ourselves and not procreate and, you know, eat bran cornflakes with no nutrition in it. You start finding that thread and the more you dig into it, the more you realize like every aspect of the medical system is an inversion to harm you. The way we treat heart disease, diabetes, cancer, all of it, they're farming your suffering for cash. They are using you as a vessel to suck money out of you. And then you can take it to another level if there's some spiritual aspect to this, like whether it's the Nephilim or demons or archons or djinn, whatever you want to call it, that are feeding off that suffering. And man, I wish I knew more back then and could have saved myself a lot earlier. But yeah, I'm very, very pro-crative right now as a result. Yeah. And this is exciting. Obviously, I like the Weston A. Price model. I think the audience knows that. I think as an organization, they provide amazing resources. Having just moved to a new area, that's what I tapped first is what is the local chapter of Weston A. Price. They're very friendly. They showed me where to get high quality local meat and raw milk and eggs are kind of easy to get. But this is a resource wherever you are in the country. Tap into Weston A. Price. Find the local chapter. And they have potlucks every so often. So even if you just want to have a good meal that abides by these principles, you can. And yeah, you had mentioned Fiat Food. That was Matthew Leshack. Amazing pod. Highly recommend. Yeah, man. He opened my eyes to the fact that government got involved in this because they wanted to hide inflation. Once they took us off the gold standard, they knew that the first thing everybody sees is the price of their foods. And that's when riots happened. So they went to Kellogg's and said, hey, we're going to do a deal with the devil. You can produce super cheap factory food. It's not nutritious, but it's not going to kill you. It'll keep your heart pumping along, at least for a little while. So they made this deal and basically promoted all this cereal-based bullshit and changed the whole dietary pyramid. And it was a mix of incentives. But a major incentive from the government was we cannot let people know how bad getting off the gold standard really was. And that's just a take I hadn't heard before. And you really have to be multidisciplinary to really catch all the incentives that are wrapped up in this system. And maybe it is ultimately a spiritual thing. We can obviously get into that. I 100% think so. And it's not only that. It's just the eugenics aspect of it. There's a book, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price. Very, very profound book. You have to read it. If you want to get through all of the nutrition inversion and get all the crap epidemiology out of your head, where it's like eating one egg a day increases your risk of heart disease by 30%. I'm at the point now, I used to be very big into science. I've stepped away from that because I think we can get lost in the weeds and not understand that there is a physiological reality. Our gut is designed a certain way. If we were going to go look at a dog or a cat and don't do a study, just look at their gut physiology, you know what they're supposed to eat. Innately. And then you go look at our ancestral history in that same context. And it's very obvious what we should be eating. And those cultures in Weston A. Price's book, like he was a dentist expecting to find vegetarians, found hypercarnivores. You want to know why their teeth weren't decaying. But teeth is just a symptom of another greater problem with your health. If you have bad teeth, you often have heart disease, diabetes, cancers. It's all interconnected. And that book is what really just kind of put the nail in the coffin in my mind that, wow, everything we've been told about nutrition is inverted. It's malicious. And I think it's intended to target fertility for depopulation goals. I think that is a core reason for the plant-based diet push and the vilification of animal foods and saturated fat is to try and ensure we are not reproducing as much. You take it to another level. Your dietary fat intake, most of your detoxification happens from your liver. And it's your liver dumping bile salts into your gut. But that is where most toxins are conjugated with glutathione and dumped into your gut. If you have a permeable gut, you're going to be reabsorbing those toxins. If you're avoiding saturated fat, you're not going to be making as much bile to get that crap out of you. There's a guy named, I don't know if you've heard of him, Ogynous Vonderplanets. He was a primal diet guy. He was very involved in the legalization of raw milk in California. Kind of created the cow share model where you all buy a piece of a cow and get milk every week. He was way ahead of his time, especially with the raw milk benefits. I'm very, very pro-raw dairy. But he had this idea that eating fat was detoxifying. And when I first started getting the carnivory, that idea was very interesting to me. And I'm wondering if there's foreknowledge to this, because you go back to Chinese Eastern medicine, they knew this stuff already. They knew that fat helps your body make bile and that there's also these secondary bile acids. In Chinese medicine, they called it black bile. And that when you eat fat, it helps bind that stuff up. And you excrete it through stool or urine. And I think the purpose for the vilification of animal foods is multifaceted. It's not just the monetary aspect. It's to destroy your detoxification capacity. It's to ruin your fertility. It's to affect your brain. And I think ultimately, it's to more or less trap you in a materialist perspective and not give your brain the nutrition it needs to perceive reality in the right way. Because your brain is made of omega-3 saturated fats, saturated fats. Like, it's so important to get those nutrients for you to have, you know, a healthy mind. And I think you can't have a good spiritual life unless your mind is healthy as well. Fair enough. So let's get deeper into carnivore and why you like it. Because this really hasn't been talked about in any interviews I've done. And yes, I've interviewed Sally Fallon Morrell, and she's big on healthy fats and kind of a keto fat-based thing. But straight carnivore, I don't think I've ever had anybody talk about that. I will say, I'm not like pure, only eat meat type of carnivore. There's nuance in this, just like everything else. I think most people on earth have no idea how food is affecting them. They have no idea how one single food in their diet could obliterate their life. And as someone who was very neurotic and tracked everything he ate, I mean, I did a journal for like, God knows how many years, where I wrote down everything I ate, everything I supplemented, and how I felt. What symptoms I had that day, what new symptoms popped up. And you do that long enough, and you start picking up on patterns. Whenever I eat spinach, my joints hurt, like my wrist hurts, my back hurts. When I eat kale, my voice gets higher. You start seeing those patterns. And this is why I think carnivore is such a profound diet for anyone to try. I don't think you should just eat nothing but meat long term. But in the short term, let's say 60 days, 90 days, if you eat nothing but meat, and then you start adding in your old foods back in one by one, you have a much greater perception of how they affect you and what they're doing to your mind and what they're doing to your mood, what they're doing to your energy, your gut health, whatever nagging pain you might have, that's my perspective on it. I think ultimately, we're supposed to be adhering to seasonal availability of foods. So that means you can't eat fruit all year. You can't have blueberries every single day. I think we're supposed to try and emulate the diet of our ancestors in every way imaginable. If we are arguing from... I don't personally believe in macroevolution that we came from pond scum. I don't think we evolved from monkeys in that same sense either. I don't think you do either. I think we were created. But if you do want to make that argument that we are adapting to the environment that we had and the foods that we ate, it's called nutrigenomics or epigenetics, it's very obvious that if we're going to have good health and continue growing our brain instead of shrinking it like it has been for the past however many thousands of years, since agriculture really is the timeline that most people argue from. Yeah, isn't that interesting? Yeah. Since agriculture comes in, our brains get smaller. It's because we shift out saturated fats and omega-3s as our primary source of energy to carbohydrate and that's not giving our brain the fat it needs to grow or sustain. It's hard to say whether agriculture is the cause of that. There's a lot of threads you can follow whether or not it's a change in diet or if there's something more nefarious with the nephilim as they call it. But I think that shift away from our innate natural diet is making us dumber. And I think there's decent evidence now recently that that's affecting our cognition. And then there's another aspect. There's a lecture on the Ancestry Foundation YouTube channel called How We Lost Our Minds to Agriculture. It's by a guy named Jay Stanton, I believe. And he makes this very interesting argument that the human bicameral mind is a new thing, that we didn't always have this bicameral split mind, like left, right brain. And that didn't develop until we started eating grains. And that those grains correlated with people hearing voices and having these supernatural experiences or being inhabited by demons just from eating bread. And you can go look up a paper, Bread and Edible Agents of Mental Disease, that gets through the mechanisms of it. And most of it stems from gut permeability. And I know you've listened to some of the other pods I did. I think we have a second brain in our gut. We have a massive microorganism that is creating electricity that powers your body. These bacteria are electric. You can find papers on that as well. And they're also making the neurotransmitters that your brain uses. I'm sure you've probably heard from some people in the carnivore space, the ones who are really deep on it. They eat fermented meat and they feel high. That's a very interesting anecdote. I've heard quite a bit. And I eat blue cheese and I get the same effect. I eat a four-day-old kefir that I've tested for pathogens and has tested positive for E. coli, salmonella, enterobacter. And I drink it. I never get sick. And it makes me feel good. Now, I heard you say in a previous show that E. coli and salmonella create neurotransmitters. This is probably one of the furthest out things that I heard you say that I was like, man, that is maybe I had a really drilled in aversion to E. coli and salmonella. And I know inversionism, sure. But like, man, this one really was like, I took it for granted that those were just toxic bacterias. But break that down. Where does that come from? Yeah. So there's a bunch of papers. Just look up E. coli produces dopamine, E. coli produces serotonin, GABA, like all these neurotransmitters. There are papers detailing that they make most of the neurotransmitters that your brain uses. You get back into the root of the medical system and just germ theory in general and the attribution of these bacteria causing the problem or them being a response to something else. Like perhaps you have a decaying gut and they're there consuming the decaying part of your being and that they play an essential role in healing and like supporting your digestion, you know, ensuring that the wall of your intestine is well sealed up. They play very, very important roles in our diet. And then you go back to gut physiology and ancestral history. You can find tons of evidence that humans started, whether it was several thousand years ago, tens of thousands. Who knows the timelines are all wishy-washy in my mind now, but we have been scavengers before where we're finding corpses and eating them. And you think about it in the context of food preparation, like what did we do without refrigerators? We had to ferment, cure, sun-dry, bury the food. Like we had to use fermentation and bacteria and fungus to ensure that the food was kept in a edible state. And then you look at our stomach acid. I mean, the mere fact we have a 1.1 to 1.5 pH stomach acid, which is lower than dogs, cats, and every other carnivore, and on the same levels as vultures and scavengers that consume corpses for their nutrition is the quintessential evidence in my mind that it's undeniable proof that we are a carnivorous species and that's how we should be eating. Yes. I wanted to point this out because this comes from a retweet of yours, but the more acidic the stomach, the better it is for breaking down meat. Sheep, which are herbivores, 4.7. Pig, omnivore, 2.6. Dolphin, carnivore, 2.3. Falcon, scavenger, 1.8. Humans, 1.1 to 1.5. Lower than vultures that feed on rotten corpses. And I do think about this when I see nature in general and I'm just like, man, none of these animals are getting sick. You know, they're living in pretty rough conditions, even just like not far from either swampy areas where deer are always walking through. And it's kind of interesting to see deer walking through like knee-high swamp water. It's just not a visual I ever got very often. And I'm just like, you know, they seem healthy. You can find pictures on Reddit where it's like, look at this fungus this deer got. And it looks like something out of Left Behind. Well, there's environmental toxins that do it too. Perhaps they walk through a cornfield that was just sprayed with atrazine. There are so many things in the environment that can make you sick. And that's why I said earlier, like the myopia with attributing it to just a bacteria or just a virus. The more you learn, the more that should become just idiotic to you. For the most part, though, everything I see in nature is pretty healthy. There's a lot of turkey vultures around me, always eating roadkill. And I just always think about the way humans think about nature and food versus like what I'm seeing in the environment. And it's not overrun with disease. And these animals aren't constantly sick and dying. They seem pretty robust. Yeah, exactly. I mean, dogs will do it. Cats will do it. And they have stomach acid higher than us. And you go look at these ancient cultures. This is what I mean. Like if we can just step outside of the mainstream science and this Rockefeller indoctrination of fear, fear, fear, fear, the virus, fear, the bacteria, take this antibiotic, take this vaccine. If we can step outside of that and just go look at our ancestral history, these cultures like the Alaskans and Native Americans, even in like Nordic countries, serstroming, which is like pickled herring, it's fermented rotted fish. Then you have like the fermented shark soup that people eat. Then you have these cultures that would bury liver under the ground and ferment it for like six months and then unearth it and only unearth it to feed people in their tribe who are sick to make them healthy again. So again, isn't that an interesting inversion? Like we attribute disease to these animal foods if they're not cooked enough. And all the cultures of antiquity, they would use these fermented animal foods to then heal people. And for those of you who are averse to this already, I'm going to tell you right now, all the meat you buy at the store is dry aged. That means they hang it in a room and ferment it. The prosciutto you eat is raw leg of a pig that is aged and cured. For months, that's raw pork. You're eating a raw fermented meat, salami, pastrami, all these cured meats that are so integral to our cultures, all the cheeses, all the fermented vegetables, you are consuming a food that is rotted with bacteria at its core. So why are we so averse to it with meat? We're so averse to it with animal foods and we have these perceptions of it's dangerous. There's maybe an E. coli in there or salmonella. I'll tell you right now, when I make my kefir, I ferment it for four or five days at 68 to 70 degrees, I make it really acidic, really strong because that's how I like it. It tastes like liquid Parmesan cheese. It's really good. I'm addicted to it. It's very tasty. I don't drink a ton of it, but I drink like a cup or so a day, cup and a half, sometimes a quart. And I've had it tested with Amazon test kits, three different ones. And it's tested positive for E. coli, salmonella, enterobacter. And there's a couple other on the test kit that I can't remember what they are, but I drink it and I don't get sick. I feel great. You can find this guy, Derek, there's a YouTube video. He ages all of his own meat. He eats nothing but raw meat. He eats fermented raw organs. He's never been sick from it. So there's a physiological reality to us that we have a low enough stomach acid. And this is another nuance. Sometimes people do not have healthy stomach acid. And that is the terrain. That's what we're supposed to keep healthy. That makes us not susceptible to these things. And that's what you're talking about with these animals in nature. They're eating their natural diet. Their terrain is healthy and that makes it so they're resistant to all these supposed environmental pathogens and viruses. So this Derek guy might be the same one I have in mind, but I follow a guy on Instagram, raw meat experiment. And he makes these crazy videos. He's funny too. He likes memes. He knows how ridiculous it looks. And he will just slog raw eggs and eat hamburger right out of the package. And this is the craziest. In the last hundred days, he's on a hundred plus days of eating raw chicken every day. And that's the one that kind of gets my stomach turned. And I'm like, damn, I've been so conditioned against raw chicken. Of course, why should it be much different from other meats? But he'll just sit in a park and let people walk past him. And he'll just take a fork and stab it into a big raw chicken breast and start chomping on. I'm like, dude, I've thought about interviewing him. But honestly, these food interviews, I want them to be about more than just food, which is why I like you. Because you got the food and, you know, we'll see how far we get. But there's a lot of things we can talk about. It all connects, dude. It does. It does. And so I wanted to also ask you about the plants being harmful for us. This is something else you wrote. You said not only do we have more acidic stomach acid than almost every other, well, more than every other carnivore and even scavengers, we have near zero capacity to ferment fiber into saturated fats like our supposed pre-human ancestors, like other primates and stuff, which means we have to get it from food. The only foods we can eat to get the right fats and fat-soluble vitamins from in nature to support reproduction is animal foods. And I've heard you talk about the harm from plants. There's not only the natural defenses of plants, but also the way they're processed in this country. Sometimes heavy metals can be associated. And I also just think in my logic of trying to watch nature and observe and trying to eat right, I'm thinking there's a difference between leafy greens and fruits. Like a tree produces fruits which have seeds in them, and they're meant to be bright and colorful and taste good. They want to be eaten. So you eat them, you pass them through your body, and you drop them back into nature with fertilizer. Isn't that interesting? So to me, that's a different thing. But then leafy greens, I could see a plant being like, hey, don't eat me. I'm trying to survive here. And that produces a chemical that is harmful. But talk to us about these sorts of things, the heavy metals associated with leafy greens and also just their natural defenses. Absolutely. So if we go back thousands of years, it's a very different environment, very different plant foods that we're eating. And it's all based on geographical location. So it's not as simple as this one plant food is just always bad. It really, there's an ancestral argument to be made. If you're a white person like me, I'm German, French, Irish, a little bit of Scandinavian, mostly European. I come from a long line of dairy and cattle farmers that did not eat a lot of fruit. They had some in the summer and the fall, but it was mostly meat, eggs, dairy, fermented vegetables like sauerkraut, stuff like that. And then you have people who are from like equatorial descents who eat tons of fruit because it's available year-round, a little bit less animal foods. So I think there's an ancestral argument to be made. But in terms of anti-nutrients, you go back to how we used to prepare these foods to reduce the anti-nutrient content. We have to prepare it in a certain way. So instead of you going out and picking a raw almond and just eating it raw and obliterating yourself with phytates, oxalates, and like objective toxins that are not good for you. It's not giving you any nutrition. It's not helping your gut. The fiber isn't giving you any value. It's just objectively toxic. If you then soak that almond for a couple of days, you sun dry it, you roast it, and then you perhaps ferment it in another method. You reduce the anti-nutrients. You increase the nutrient content. You liberate the minerals from the phytate, and you get probiotics with it. And then the bacteria also make like additional B vitamins. You change it as a food. You change it from being a toxic food to a healthy food. So when it comes to plant foods, it's about preparation in my mind. That's how I view it. For fruit, we should obviously be eating fruit cyclically. If you're from northern climates, you're not eating fruit year-round. You're not eating berries year-round. You have to step outside of this modern industrialization and agriculture and go back to what was seasonal availability of these foods. Meat, eggs, dairy available year-round. You ate those all the time. That's your core nutrition. That's what sustained us for who knows how many thousands of years. And then the plant foods were cyclical. You get the berries in the late summer, early fall. You get tubers that were here intermittently. And then you have, like you said, the green vegetables, which didn't exist up until several thousand years ago. Like all the kale, the spinach, the lettuce, we bred them from the mustard plant to what they are today. Brussels sprouts, those didn't exist. So there's another argument for should we be eating foods that were not in our ancestral history? Should we be eating these plant foods that we are not physiologically adapted to? And I know a lot of people make the arguments for greens in general. Oh, they give you magnesium. They got sephoraphane that helps you detoxify. This is where we get into the hormesis argument. So again, in the lens of seasonal availability, if we cyclically eat those foods, we derive a short-term benefit. Hormesis is like a beneficial stress, essentially. This is what like the antioxidant arguments, the polyphenols. Polyphenols, they give you a short-term benefit. But if you continually eat those foods, that short-term benefit turns into a stress. Which might be why when people do convert to a vegetarian or vegan diet, they're feeling better for a while. But I mean, universally, they're way too skinny. They look sickly. I know several of them. And it's just like, I don't know any of them that seem robust and super healthy. They're not obese. Sure. If your metric is just obesity, you win because you're very thin and frail, I would say. But yeah, it's like you feel better when you get off the processed foods. And it doesn't matter what you eat short-term. If it's whole foods that come from the earth, you're going to feel better than the process. It's better than that. Happened to me. I went vegan and I felt better. I came from standard American diet and I felt better initially. And then, you know, you start getting kidney stones. You do cook food, though. I mean, you're not eating full raw. Talk to us about, I like prosciutto and I eat a lot of cured meats and raw milk. And I like my steaks rare. But beyond that, like, you know, I don't really go much more hardcore than that. Yeah, I'm big on raw dairy. I mean, I make my own like little clabber cheeses. I make my own kefir. For my meat, I like searing my steaks from frozen and keeping the internal temp under 120 degrees Fahrenheit, closer to like 110, 115. Because if you cook your meat above that, you lose the taurine. And like dogs and cats, we need dietary taurine for optimal health and detoxification, hormonal function, reducing heart disease. Like there are so many important benefits that we need to get from red meat. And most of that comes from, you know, taurine. And then there are other amino acids like carnizine, carnitine that are also heat sensitive. So that's what I do with my meat. Otherwise, I eat eggs like I get pastured eggs. I don't do whites raw. I don't know why, but my gut does not like the raw whites of an egg. It just I get like a little crampy feeling, but raw egg yolks all the time. I put them on my steaks all the time. For fermented foods, in terms of plant foods, like I will make my own kefir einkorn sourdough bread. And I don't use any water. I use kefir as the starter. So it's just flour and kefir. And I can only do einkorn. Einkorn is the oldest wheat on earth. It's like 12, 14,000 years old. It's a single species. It's like twice the nutrition of the modern durum wheat. There's no pesticides. It's significantly healthier. And it's a type A gluten, which your body can actually digest if you ferment it. It's like an actual bioavailable protein. All the modern wheats, like the durum, the semolina, the rise, those are all type D glutens, which are not as digestible. And that, I think, is one of the core reasons why a lot of people have bad reactions to it. And I'm sure you've heard the anecdotes from people like Rogan, who say like, oh, I go over to Italy and I eat their pasta and I don't get that same feeling like I do here where I get tired, sluggish. I think pesticides are a big reason. The fortification, the bio sludges from human waste that they're using to grow these foods and how that affects the content of the wheat, whether it's full of pharmaceuticals, birth control, whatever else, their soul is a lot better over there. But I'm very pro-carnivory, but I'm not like the puritanical just to eat meat forever. That's it. Like, I don't believe in that. I think in the short term, like I said earlier, if you have any health problem, if you're overweight, if you have an autoimmune issue, if you have a mental health problem, the meat only diet, steak or just steak and eggs or steak and raw dairy, just those three foods as the core, if you start at that baseline and then you start adding stuff back in, you have a much better chance of perceiving what is causing that symptom because a lot of times it'll come back. You eat spinach, your joint pain comes back because maybe it's because the oxalates, like I said, the voice problem or the thyroid issues, low energy, maybe that's from the goitogens and the kale. I think that's the perfect baseline diet. That's the perfect elimination diet to figure out how food's affecting you. So, otherwise, man, I, Batarga, which is like salt, dry cured fish roe, amazing food, really nutrient dense, packed with phospholipid omega-3, supports your brain. I do liver. I have done some aged liver, like three, four, five months. And I will tell you, it does make you feel high. Sometimes it's a little bit of an uncomfortable type of energy. Like you feel like you just smoke crack cocaine levels of energy. So, you got to be a little wary. Like I think like a tiny bit, like a spoonful, just intermittently every now and again, you know, give your gut the adequate proteolytic bacteria, the putrefactive bacteria to help you digest food is helpful. I mean, or you can just go down the route of dry aging your own meat, dry age your own steaks. I mean, a lot of people do that in their fridge already. That's fermenting the meat. You're fermenting that meat to be more bioavailable. You know, it's increasing the nutrition content of it with bacteria. Otherwise, I also drink yerba mate tea. That's my favorite tea on earth. I don't know if you ever drank that, but. I've had that guiaki canned tea, which I'm sure is not the same thing. Yeah, not great. I mean, you want to get the eco teas, organic, unsmoked. Don't do the smoke kind. There's some, I don't know how valid the studies are, but there are some issues with like throat cancers in the smoke tea. I also just don't like the flavor. Like I think the smokiness to it, I very off-putting. So another area of research where you say some interesting things is heavy metals. We know that all the planets have associations with different metals, but you think there might be a connection between the heavy metals in our bodies and how susceptible we are to these celestial influences, huh? Yeah. So this is kind of a realization I had after I got lead poisoning. So I don't know if it came, I was buying this sketchy brand of yerba in bulk from Argentina. Could have been that. It could have been a pan I bought from Goodwill, but I had lead nickel poisoning. And during that period of my life, time just flew by me. It's such a weird thing to say, like you have three months of your life that you really don't remember. It's just a blur. You're just in that monotonous day to day, you know, work from home, 50 hours a week on the computer, just do an IT shit, and then you read a book and just that monotony and how fast time flew by. I started just kind of... Because I had already studied the occult quite a bit and some of the alchemy stuff, especially listen to your podcast. And if you look up the alchemical associations, like Saturn is associated with lead and Saturn is a god of time in almost every mythology. And the fact that I had that effect, that perceived effect from lead toxicity affecting my time perception was very interesting to me. And I think that these forces, whether you call them the archons in some terms or the angels and other religions, whatever you want to attribute these plans to, there's often a metal associated with it and then like a certain type of malevolence or benevolence. And I think heavy metal toxicities with lead, cadmium, mercury, you know, tin, iron, silver from the geoengineering, I think these metals turn you into an antenna for those forces that make you more susceptible to their influence. That's kind of where I ended up after having my own personal experience. I know you've probably had some interesting conversations with other people about these planetary forces, but what do you think about that? Sure. I mean, I think it's interesting. I looked up before we got to talking like copper is Venus. I just did a show with Matt Roski about the benefits of copper and Venus is like the love kind of planets. Fertility. Fertility. Yeah. Iron and Mars. I mean, iron is like the whole Iron Age and we all talk about it because of the weaponry. And I don't know, there's kind of an association between our development of weapons and iron and Mars, I suppose. Tin and Jupiter, I didn't really find a strong allegory for or anything. I think tin, it's wisdom, logic, education, that kind of thing is what's associated with with Jupiter, like a teacher kind of thing. But tin toxicity is not really well documented or found. You don't really find too many heavy metal tests that look for tin exposure. So that one's interesting. But I know that back in the day, they used to make, alchemists used to make this thing called the oil of tin to treat liver problems, skin issues, water retention problems, like people who are bloated, they use those kind of treatments. And then I'm sure you've heard about some of the stuff in ancient Greece, like the theriac. I've been hearing about that a lot lately. No, what's that? It's like the elixir to heal all disease. And it's a combination of snake venoms plus like opium and heavy metals and like frankincense myrrh. And then there are some, it's kind of wild. I can't remember the dude's name, but I heard it on a Danny Jones podcast. I interviewed that guy too. You're talking about Dr. Amon Hillman. Yeah. I didn't even need to hear more than that, but I knew where you're going. He's got some wild ideas. I mean, he's out there on some things and he's like a kind of a little all over the place with Jesus was a pedo. Yeah, that he's walking dangerous ground. You start going down that route, but he can read Greek and he's like trying to parse those original Greek texts and arguing that like they're using the semen from like a prepubescent boy in the theriac and the blood of a child and all these things to make the elixir of life and prevent disease and all that. And I think the metal association with the planets is tied to all that each individual metal and it's associated like they're trying to combine all the forces into some elixir that deals with all disease. Anyways, that's quite the tangent. No, it's fine. I interviewed him and I got more pushback and negative feedback than I have in a long time. And then I saw Danny Jones had him on right after and it was just funny to see someone else. I was like, I wonder if he's taking that same kind of heat. Yeah. Well, here, I'd like to say something on that, though. If someone says something that you disagree with, like if they have some reprehensible view, like thinking Jesus was a pedo, that doesn't then invalidate everything else they're saying. I think we should be open to absolutely any perspective and just don't get triggered by it. Like just hear someone out. You don't have to get mad at them. And also use your discernment to be like, well, what is this guy's expertise? Well, he reads Greek. And so he applied his knowledge of reading Greek to some Greek medical texts. And he found some strange things about snake venoms and concoctions that aren't advertised. And he highlighted the fact that they were getting high all the time. The Romans and the Greeks were using recreational drugs. If you go to a conventional college and study Greeks and Romans, they say, no, they didn't do that. Another thing is when we try to take something like the Greeks or the Romans and apply one behavior to all those people, millions of people, you can't do it. It's an elite class is what he's talking about. Right. But people of all cultures, there will be some doing recreational drugs at any age. I promise you that. So like to have this weird academic blockage from accepting that, I mean, that's kind of where I think Dr. Hillman is right and applicable and interesting. And then the Jesus was a child trafficker thing. I mean, that's a whole nother aspect. But nobody's right about everything. Yeah. I mean, it's a speculative position. I think there's one Bible verse that he uses where he gets stopped and Jesus goes, I'm not trafficking this child and he makes his own discernment of what that means. Yeah. An assumption that being so defensive meant he had something to hide. But like you're parsing a text that's been translated half a dozen times, went through the council and I see it's like, Jesus, man, I don't like when Christians do it and I don't like when anti-Christians do it. Don't hinge an entire worldview on a sentence. But I'm willing to hear him out because it's a provocative thing. And my show is about provocative perspectives. But that's how I view everything. Like hear anybody out, no matter what, have an open mind, be willing to entertain the thought without fully believing it. That is the most important skill set today. And you will never find truth in anything unless you're capable of doing that. Well said. So the last thing I want to make sure we fit into the first hour is blue light and this stuff in the tech realm, because it's so interesting. Now, a lot of people know that our screens emit blue light and it's harmful, but they might not know that this was by design, according to Dr. Jack Cruz, who I interviewed. And he mentioned this, but I don't know, it didn't resonate as it has resonated since that interview and I've learned more. But DARPA has all these patents and the tech companies licensed them. They basically made sure that if a screen was produced, it was going to emit blue light. That's not just a accident or an unfortunate circumstance of the technology. It's by design. And so this should set off alarm bells to people. But Dr. Jack Cruz, he was all excited about RFK Jr. And his VP pick, Nicole Shanahan, because she was married to Sergey Brin, who was the co-founder of Google with Larry Page. She apparently knows a lot about this and they got divorced in 2022. And Jack Cruz said that he and RFK Jr. And Shanahan, all three sat down together and talked about exposing this. But obviously, the RFK campaign is kind of fizzled out. And I don't think people are ready to hear that stuff anyway. But talk to us a little bit about this. I mean, it's society collapses. I mean, if this reality became known by the public that, you know, all the screens and devices that you have all around you all the time are putting you into suggestive, hypnotic states, making you more receptive to propaganda. Weaponized from the ground up. And it's the reddest of all red pills, dude, because you can go find these patents. There's a website. There's like a full document. It's like directed energy type of weapon patent. They go through targeted individuals, basically ways to use technology around you to influence your behavior and to torture you or to influence your consciousness or put you in a certain headspace like Project Bazaar, where they did this with monkeys, where they were pulsing them with all kinds of different frequencies to make them docile, make them angry, to make them super sexualized. If things are as bad as people think they are, multiply it by 10 and you're probably closer to reality. That's my perspective. And that's what Dr. Jack Cruz says, too. It's like they even use the flicker rate. So it's not just the blue light, but all aspects of the screen are designed to put you in a trance light stake. It's almost like they took MKUltra and the principles and they're like, well, how do we put this in every home? That was their mindset. And that is what started everything. And then it's like, well, what has the television been for? Programming. Exactly. And it's like, here's some entertainment to keep your attention long enough to sell you ads during the commercial break. So it's always been about giving you products. And then the news has always been propaganda. It's getting you to accept things that you might not accept if you weren't in that brain wave state and all the different effects that you get from staring at that screen. When you really sit with that and you think about the reverse engineering of all of it, it's mind blowing. It is the biggest conspiracy. Probably you're right. And I've looked up, can I buy a screen like a computer screen that doesn't emit blue light? You can't buy one, but there could be one. It's not a limit of the technology. It's just the limit of the will. But I'm hoping that in so many areas like raw milk, for example, we do have people who are like, I'm going to fix this and I'm going to fight for raw milk. And now it's available. And I don't need it to be wildly available. I don't need every LCD and Samsung to change their process. I just need one company that I can access that makes screens that don't contain these technologies because I have to use some screens sometimes. But that would be interesting. There's a market there, people. Somebody who knows a little bit about electrical engineering. Get in there. Yeah, they did it with cell phones, the ungoogled phones, like the untracked phones. I mean, there is a market for that now and people are buying those phones all the time. The patent rabbit hole on the nervous system manipulation by screens and technology, even cell phones. If you guys want to horrify yourself and never want to turn your cell phone on again, go read the bio initiative report. They did updates, I think, in 2014, 2017, but it's from 2012. So it's much more nefarious and broad now with the installation of 5G and all these other bandwidths that we're using on a regular basis. But to me, you read controlled, offensive, declassified doc that gets into like what the Soviet era was doing with these frequencies. There's a video, a CNN report from like 1985, where they're interviewing this guy named Robert Becker and then a couple other people associated. Robert O. Becker. Yeah. They're doing these experiments where they're changing people's behavior with frequency and those frequency bandwidths already exist in our environment. The frequencies that they're using to alter their behavior is already within the capacity to be emitted from a cell phone tower and your cell phone. So you have to ask yourself, it's a brick wall that some people meet where they're incapable of perceiving malice. They're incapable of seeing that there are people at the very top that have a willful agenda to alter your behavior, to make you buy shit you don't need, to make you a mindless consumer, to cause a mental health problem, to make you go get a pharmaceutical to treat it. If the entire system is predicated on a pursuit of profit and depopulation at its core, then you have to be willing to entertain that thought that the screen you're looking at every day, the cell phone that's attached to your hip might be altering your consciousness. It might be altering your behavior. It might be shutting off spiritual perception. I'm sure you've heard Rudolf Steiner. He had some lectures way back, I think it was early 1900s, late 1800s, where he's talking about like the installation of power lines everywhere and how people were reporting that they can't talk to God anymore. Their spiritual capacity has been lobotomized just from the electrification of our environment. And then you get into like the Spanish flu, the Hong Kong flu, and how all these mass pandemics of people getting ill correlates with the installation of radar, more power lines, 3G, 4G, 5G. And then we adapt to it. And the people that survive through that and are not ill all the time develop a sort of resilience, but the effect is still there. It's still altering you in some way. It's still having an impact on your physiology. And I think the brain influence is the most profound to me. And I know you mentioned this. I mean, DM me the show notes talking about why humans cannot leave Earth. I think we physiologically cannot leave Earth's magnetic field. Yeah, Schumann residents. Yeah. And they've done experiments. Military's done experiments where they stick these people in bunkers, filter out Schumann, and they go schizophrenic. They start having hallucinations. They become incredibly chronic fatigue. Their immune system takes a shit. So if that is true, how do you survive on the moon? How do you land on the moon and survive there? I mean, not to mention the temperatures on there are supposedly 200 degrees Fahrenheit when the sun's hitting. These logical questions about physiological facts, and you can look up the HeartMath Institute. They've done a lot of studies on the connection between the Earth and the human heart and how we're in synchrony with it. If you leave the magnetic field, our heart desynchronizes. Does it just stop? I mean, I don't know about you. We've never went to the moon. I think that's so beyond obvious. I think that is completely undeniable and people still on that stupidity just blows my mind. And there's never like Elon and his whole like, we're going to go to Mars, complete nonsense, useless, stupid pipe dream that people are buying into. And the flat Earth, the hollow Earth, there are so many perspectives. And again, I try to treat it like the ancestral. I try to disregard all of the current perceptions of reality. And I think they're all predicated on the moon landing. Without the moon landing, our perception of space would be way different. We would not have this concept that we can travel through it. I don't think we've sent anything to Mars either. But before that, I mean, it was pretty commonplace. I think that we lived in a realm, a contained realm. And whether there is two sides of it, like if it's a contained realm, and it's a flat dome, or it's a flat space with a dome, and then there's land under it, the upside down, whether it's a hollow Earth, and we're more of like a concave thing. And there's like a whole civilization on the inside. I will tell you a lot of ancient religions, a lot of ancient cultures all talked about people that live below us. And then that's where the UFOs come from. I think it's pretty reasonable to question whether or not we're just a bunch of monkeys sitting on a rock spinning through space at thousands of miles an hour. I think if you haven't got to that point yet, and you're not willing to question NASA and the space agencies, I think you're a little disillusioned and kind of worshiping science instead of applying it using common sense. I love it. I love it. That's a great way to end the first hour here. But before I let you go, I was going to ask you about resources. This is a little different. Usually, I'm interviewing someone who wrote a book or has this body of work. You have a Twitter thread, and you have a sub stack. But what would you say to people about your favorite people to follow or where you get your information that they should know about before I cut you loose? Gosh, dude. Like I said, I've been down every rabbit hole, so I can see you for an hour just listening. I mean, if you're looking for good information on diet and nutrition stuff, I think Paul Saladino is great. I think he's got the right mentality for emulating ancestral lives. I'm not 100% with him on the whole pound carbs all day, every day type of perspective. But even then, he preaches the importance of carnivory food. Obviously, the Weston A. Price folks like Sally Fallon's book, if you want to learn how to cook these foods or prepare them right, her Nourishing Traditions book is amazing. Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price, also very good. If you want to find some raw milk, realmilk.com has a locator as well as other resources that you can use to combat those who are like, oh, raw milk's dangerous. It's not. It's one of the safest foods on earth and the most healing. Raises glutathione higher than any other food on earth, which is the body's master detoxifier. In terms of that, I mean, podcasts, if I could go through the list, obviously yours has been a great resource. If you're trying to learn about this wild, quote unquote, woo-woo stuff, understanding the occult, motivations of the elite, this is one of the best pods for getting all kinds of different perspectives on that. I love Tin Fall Hat too. Sam has some great guests on there sometimes. Sometimes they're a little wacky, but otherwise he's got a great pod for those kinds of discussions. Anthony Chaffee, if you're looking to do a carnivore diet, he's got a lot of good content on there on how to start, what to search for. In terms of websites, if you're trying to find good food though, let's land in on this one because this is probably the most important. If you want to starve this beast of a system and all these demonic corporations poison us, you have to find local food. You have to find a local farmer. So eatwild.com will have your state and then a bunch of farms that you can go buy from. Then you have localharvest.org, the same vibe where you can find all these local farms selling good nutritious food. If you're buying meat online, there's plenty of Amish farmers in Pennsylvania you can buy from. Eatwild has a lot of them listed. Realmilk.com will link to a lot of them. They sell more than just raw dairy. They also sell butter, cheeses. And then if you're buying locally and you're trying to find a good farm, make sure you ask intelligent questions on what they feed their cows. Sometimes they'll feed them like GMO corn, GMO wheat that's showered in pesticides. And then whatever the animal eats gets into the meat and then gets into you. So you have to be very particular and neurotic about what your food is eating itself. So ask intelligent questions about what they're feeding it, quality of the grass. If you're looking to buy some raw honey, I have my favorite source, which is steakitch.com. They have some of the best honey I've ever tasted. Very clean, not showered in pesticides. Otherwise, if you are looking to buy some raw honey, try to avoid stuff from the Midwest. We're the atrazine glyphosate capital of the world. And honey is the pollination from bees. They're picking up toxic shit from the flowers and then taking it back to the hive. And then you eat that in the honey. So yeah, eatwild.com, localharvest.org, great resources for finding good meat. And then follow me on X. I'm going to try to be posting some health coaching stuff here pretty soon. I'm going to set up a calendar with my schedule availability. So if you're struggling with a health issue, you can't figure out and you just want someone to try and guide you through an elimination diet, or you want help with some detoxification specifics on what tools to use with stuff I like, feel free to DM me on X. I've been helping people a bunch from the Nephilim Death Squad podcasts. And I've had a couple, actually like four or five now, after just a couple of weeks, really crazy report backs. My depression is gone. I've been depressed for eight years and I don't feel depressed today. Stuff like that, or their kid was misbehaving, being erratic, hitting stuff, smacking their face, like autistic-like symptoms. Tell them to drink some raw milk, take some zeolite, do a detox regimen with dandelion tea and binders. And their kid is now happy, healthy, playing games, able to talk. Stuff like that makes me really happy. And I'm not charging these people who DM me. So if you do have those questions, feel free to hit me up. If you want something more involved, like a real health guide attached, I'll be doing health coaching as well. Otherwise, anything else you want to cover before we end here? No, that's great. I mean, I have heard you say that you've seen dozens of kids that seemed like they had autism self-correct. I've interviewed someone about this once before. It's like one of the furthest out things because I was just so convinced that autism was a stamp of like, you're fucked forever. Nope. It's just metal toxicity. It's just brain damage, full stop. And your brain is made of fat, cholesterol, omega-3s, fat-soluble vitamins. If you feed the kid the nutrients it needs to regrow those damaged parts of the brain, and then you use the right tools to get the metals out, kids can transform so dramatically. The Trace Amounts documentary already shows that. Kids who did chelation therapy. If it's mercury toxicity, I'd look into the Andy Cutler protocol, but be very, very, very careful. ALA can destroy your life very quickly if you take too much at once or if you're not doing the right schedule. So I don't touch that stuff unless you have a confirmed test of mercury toxicity, but simple tools, just zeolite, the sorbolet powder, the lower, the micron size of it, you do it sublingually. It's really, really effective at getting metals out. Dandelion tea for getting the bile flowing from your liver and then using binders to catch it. Binders are activated charcoal, bentonite clay. Diatomaceous earth has some effect on that as well for getting metals out and also binding the aluminum. But just stimulate bile flow. Bind it with the binders I just mentioned. And then like I said, with carnivory, phase one and phase two detoxification of your liver, the nutrients needed to support that process and make glutathione all come from animal foods. Full stop. You have to be a carnivorous dieter. Doesn't have to mean you eat only meat, but I'm saying you should eat mostly meat, eggs, and dairy if you want to support your detoxification system and survive this world. And then last, sauna, just sweat. Metals, plastics, volatile organic compounds, microplastics like BPA, stuff like that, all come out and sweat. So if you're trying to survive this toxic world and get healthy and get the shit out of your body so you can be your best self, you have to try and emulate the lifestyle of your ancestors, which was hot and cold exposure, sweating, carnivory. And then like I said, the use of those binders. Oh, I want to add one more thing about people who are against activated charcoal. Look up Zanzibar monkeys, activated charcoal or charcoal. These monkeys got forced out of the trees into the grasslands and they had to eat a different diet of toxic plants. And they somehow instinctually knew to eat charcoal with those toxic plants and they wouldn't get sick. How do monkeys know that? How do they instinctually know how to do that? Activated charcoal is magic. It's one of the best substances, but sorry, a little tirade at the end. All good. I mean, I'm just in awe of all this knowledge that you're able to keep. And I've said this before with health shows, like, I judge people by the fruits and like, clearly you have good recall for a lot of this material. Like you're not searching for the words and all this kind of stuff that would imply that it isn't doing you all that good a benefit. You know, you're so I just feel like it's evident. It's self-evident in the way you talk about this stuff. Well, you stay inside for a decade reading nothing, just listening to podcasts, audio books and lectures all day. This is how you turn out, I guess. So the only other thing I would throw out just to try to help you is whenever there's a thing that's Twitter related, I get a lot of messages. I don't use Twitter. It's like, okay, well, if you want to fix yourself and get in contact with this guy, maybe you just make a goddamn account. But do you have an email you would share? Yeah. Inversionism369 at gmail.com. Great, great. Yeah. And I do hope people are motivated by this and I hope that they do hit you up because I want to see you be able to use this knowledge to transform your own financial life and situation. And I know you might not be charging, maybe you decide to, but I just hope that the people who come from this show treat you right because clearly they're approaching you because they see the value. So show that, you know, and providing some value. Buy them a couple of coffees, you know? Yeah. But yeah, this has been really interesting. Obviously there's a time and a place for experts and all of that, but sometimes it scares people away from doing their own research and taking the reins of their own worldview. And I hope people are inspired by your story and the wealth of knowledge you've picked up through the years and just the example that it is totally possible if you are motivated enough to get your shit right. So thanks for taking the time and take care out there. All right, guys. Have a good night. Oh, Lordy. Definitely happy to get a new show out. Not only to push the last one further back in many of your minds, but I also just thought this was great. Sure. We talked to doctors from time to time. But it's also important to hear from a person who was motivated out of experience. A person who probably has seen more damage done to them personally from the system than most. A guy who worked through all of it and is now living his best life because he wouldn't just roll over and accept it. He wouldn't become the victim. And now he's an impressive embodiment of the wounded warrior archetype, I would say. You know, don't tell me vaccines can't cause injury. I've lived it. Don't tell me the mood pills can't cause negative effects. I've experienced it. And don't tell me what diet I need because I've done several of them. And here's what wins out. A lot to like. A lot to like. Though I did misspeak at one point and it's been bothering me all week. My little deer fungus anecdote. I said, you see these examples where deer are overrun with a fungus or some parasite or nasty thing online. And that they look like something from left behind. Hmm. Shame on me. No, that's the lame Nick Cage movie based on the Christian Rapture book series. I meant to say Last of Us if it wasn't obvious. But you'll see these images of deer that look like clickers sometimes. But nature is about balance. And these deer with the fungus and parasites, they get so over the top because they don't have the natural predators they're supposed to have. Anyway, I know diet is a bit of a tricky topic where many people are already in an established camp. And I do like to allow space for those who really might have a different constitution or who might be committed to their diet on moral grounds. And hey, moral grounds is fine. That's a different argument than this is the best diet for human optimization. Moral grounds is basically making a sacrifice for a cause. Well, go ahead. Obviously, you won't die being vegan, but I don't think you will be optimal. Again, this is very broad advice. I do think there are different constitutions. I think the Ayurvedic system has merit. And that often considers the qualities of a person and puts them in a more personalized optimal diet category. But basically, I can only really speak for myself and what I see and what I think checks out logically. And I'm with inversionism. I think his ways would work great for me if I was able to fully commit. It's like we don't have to exercise every day to at least acknowledge that that would improve our health. But with nutrition, knowing really is half the battle because it's so confusing out there. There's a lot of moneyed interests trying to steer you one way or another. But I liked this a lot. I'm sure I will be asking him for some personal advice. He's a wealth of information, and I think his passion is a bit contagious. It's motivating. I hope more people do reach out to him and don't be cheap if you do. If you appreciate his knowledge and he's helpful to you, compensate him. Think about the value he brings versus the other places we put our money without even thinking about it. And I say this every time, but the plus show was great, too. Why wouldn't the second half of a conversation be better once two people get through the getting to know you stuff and become more comfortable? That's when it really takes off. I mean, did you watch Trump on Rogan? There's a clear example. If you haven't watched it yet, skip the first 45 minutes because that's when the guard really goes down. And the rhythm starts to show itself. It's just natural. But in the plus show today here, the first wild thing we got into was adrenochrome. Man, he has done some good research there. And we got into some scary documents about prisoners and them being graded for their adrenochrome potential. I mean, Jesus, that is really one of the most convincing things I've seen for the whole adrenochrome harvesting trafficking argument. We talked about the highest order agenda for the elite vaccines and the process of creating them being very witchcrafty. I went deep on my dad's death story, and we talked about heavy metals and plant-based diets and rice experiments that Dolan did and his regiment for my sleep issues. I asked him about some of the greatest inversions that are out there. We talked about emotions and health, and we talked about Dolan's Prozac experiences. Really, really interesting stuff. I don't know how you could be satisfied stopping at the halfway point. And I will say, I didn't mean to get too into the weeds with my dad's story and make it about me. I just wanted to lay it all out as an example of how quickly you can find yourself doing things you never thought you would do, things you have judged others for, but you feel like you're left with no choice. And my dad had 75 good years and three bad weeks. Never saw a doctor in my whole life, as far as I knew. I never even really saw him with a cold. He always got sun and stayed active, never wore sunscreen or had a surgery or took medications. But I had to lay out all the details of those last three weeks because it was really more about me trying to ask Dolan, well, at which point in this story could or should we have made a different choice because it really didn't seem like there was much left to do. And if you heard all that, well, it is sad and I hope you never have to go through it. But it just sucks when you get to that point. There's really only one option for care in this country, and it's shitty. But maybe it is useful to at least talk about so others who have aging parents might know what to expect. I've had to deal with hospitals with the births of both my kids despite really trying not to. Isn't that crazy? It's the last thing my wife or me or my dad in this situation wanted. And in vulnerable moments, you end up there with 20 IVs and the worst food ever and beeping and flashing lights all night. If you haven't dealt with a hospital in a long time, it's shockingly slow and shockingly non-health promoting. It's like when I hadn't been to a Catholic mass in years and then I had to go back for a traditional wedding and my wife and I just looked at each other surprised. It was so culty and weird with the repetitive monotone responses and the constant stand, kneel, sit, kneel, stand, sit, kneel, kneel, stand, kneel. It's fucking weird. But we grew up doing it. It was normal to us at the time. But the long break just made us both think, wow, this is worse than I remember. And I would say the same for any extended hospital experience. Oh, also in a bit of synchronicity, I brought up that Accutane story that was vaguely still rattling around in my mind. Turns out that kid was from Tampa. Here it is. ABC News. The family of a Florida teenager who crashed an airplane into an office tower has filed a lawsuit against the maker of Accutane, the acne drug. The family of Charles Bishop filed a $70 million wrongful death suit against Hoffman LaRoche claiming the medicine caused the boy to commit suicide. Up until being on the drug, the child was happy, well-balanced, and had a great deal to live for. Our suit alleges that Hoffman LaRoche has known that this drug causes spontaneous suicide and depression, but they have refused to accept responsibility. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration says 147 people taking Accutane have either committed suicide or tried to commit suicide since the drug was introduced. In Canada and the United States, patients must now sign a consent form when they are prescribed Accutane. Pharmacists must also hand out detailed warning brochures listing the drug's potential side effects of psychotic-like depression and thoughts of suicide. Just crazy. 147 people, and that's just reported in a culture that doesn't even usually make the connection or think to look for such an association. How many people just die and we never know or log what medications they were on? The information just never gets recorded or added to any list. It's crazy. Ugh. Well, in higher side news, as you heard before the show today, we got a major upgrade to how Plus is distributed. For a long time, the only way it could be done was with a username and password, and not every app would allow for that sort of thing, and people lose passwords, and logins occasionally don't work. We don't get a ton of support tickets, but when we do, it's almost always related to an issue with login credentials or one of the various apps not updating the feed anymore or not validating. Like, the system was pretty good, but my IT guy taught me that technically the way podcasting apps work is they're constantly pinging back for updates, and a private feed is also pinging back for authentication, and it's a real slog on the site resources. But I keep my eye on things out there, and I try every system, and if I see something that's better, I try to make sure we get it implemented. And now it's possible to generate a personalized RSS link when a person signs up for Plus. We send it to you via email, and it's as easy as copy and pasting it right into whatever app you use. And my IT guys say it's even smoother and a more elegant solution, and I can probably even lower my server costs. Hallelujah. But really, the primary thing that matters is that it's way easier and more simple and works better for you guys. As I said in that preamble, the website does have some things that add to the THC experience, but I have the data, and 90% of Plus members are only listening in Apple Podcasts or Podcast Addict. There's some Overcast and some Podverse, but 90% of Plus members never even go to the site once they get it set up in an app, and they don't even bother with the forum or the comments or anything like that. And that's fine. I don't mind at all. I don't want to change anyone's behavior. I want anyone who would enjoy the Plus experience to be able to get it as hassle-free as possible. And now, it literally is. We have the shortest and fastest mobile-friendly checkout form, and now I email you that personalized RSS feed, and it's as easy as copying and pasting. And again, it contains every single available episode back to the beginning, and it will never ask you for a username or password or stop updating or kick you out as long as that monthly $8 is coming through. You have to log into the site to cancel, but I can't fix that, and why would you cancel? But there are million-dollar subscription businesses that don't have as cutting-edge a process as we do, because they don't really reinvest. And ultimately, it's thanks to two guys who are not only talented technically, but are also happy to do work that helps this kind of material and this range of guests reach more people. Believe me, they get paid well, but it's also kind of a silver lining, I think, that they consider it their own little anonymous act of rebellion to help make the system best in class. So I've done what I can do. I just can't fill out the form for you. If I could, I would, but it's like the hitch kiss bit. I come 90 and you come 10. All right, enough of that, though I am quite proud and quite impressed with how good a job they did when put to this task. And that said, let's talk about that last episode with Jason Horsley. Wow, comment section was very lively. I get it. He's a wild boy. The rating came in kind of low at a 3.8. Ouch. Anything below a four is a problem, if you ask me, although some people are rating the guest and not the listening experience. There's a little bit of a difference there. You can enjoy the banter and the unique spiciness of the show, but also say you don't really vibe with the guest himself. So how do you rate that? Hard to say. I get it. In the plus show, I gave him like, what, 20 names and he just gave his blunt opinion on the ones that he had an opinion on. Very spicy. But again, I do appreciate that he's willing to give his raw thoughts without sugarcoating it. Although it doesn't seem like he likes anybody out there. And as for the audience reviews, I would say with everything I read across Twitter, Reddit, the comments, and that's the thing, this episode got people talking. Sometimes that's a good thing. That's what I want to do occasionally. But with everything I read, I'd say about 50% of people didn't like it. 40% of people thought it was fun for the reasons I expected it to be a good listen. And 10% of people thought I was the rude one and I was aggressive and it damaged their opinion of me. Well, I came ready to be criticized from Jason and I came with the spirit of humor. I was never mad. I was just trying to have fun with it. I think most people heard that, but not everyone. I will say I actually did hear about some unsavory stuff from others in the conspiracy counterculture field that didn't sit well with me and seemed pretty hateful and not funny from people who had previous interactions with Jason. And it kind of soured me and made it a lot more real. And I don't think I would do it again, unfortunately, or fortunately for those who thought it was a 3.8. So yeah, I gave him a fair shot twice and we're moving on. No ill will or anything. Personally, we just did the thing. And now there's a next thing to do. As for the meetup calendar, what do we have going on? Let's see. November 3rd, Alberta, Canada. November 7th, Whitefish, Montana at the Montana Tap House. November 9th, Trails Cafe in LA. November 13th, Athens, Ohio at West End Cider House. And November 22nd, the Sale Plaza in Tampa. Check out the calendar for full details if you heard about any city that is near you. And it's always good to RSVP. As for the Tampa one, one of my wife's best friends and her family are coming to stay with us the week of that meetup event, but I'm still going to try to make it. I want to go do a big one in High Springs at the High Springs Brewery because they were doing the monthly but didn't have a very good turnout. So I want to try to help fix that and bring some people into their business if I can. But for now, let's just assume I'll see some of you in Tampa on the 22nd. But that's the show. Reach out to Dolan Inversionism if you need any health guidance. He's a good dude with a lot of knowledge and I hope you enjoyed this. Take care of you and yours. I've done my part. Your move, industrial health herders, frankenfood creators, and big pharma petropill pushers. Your. Fuckin' move. Everything's been explained our experience today. The opposite of what they say tends to be better. Inversionism gets slow. Be the calm and stable boat. Inversionism can't explain. No one knows quite what to do. Trust the nefarious few doing all the harm. When you see them as they are, you gen-