Dr. Alexis Cowan | The Sunlight Psyop, Blue Light Conspiracy, & Your Solar Callus

Let there be light, people, from the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood. And when you see the sad state of our society, obesity rates, chronic disease, and general unwellness, coupled with the advice of our arrogant white lab coat class within the mainstream medical establishment who regularly mock alternative health, you gotta conclude that they're either wrong about a large number of very important things or this system of sick, overweight, chronically tired citizens where nearly every measure of health is showing a concerning trend, is something they're proud of. Either way, it shows their advice should be heavily scrutinized, and sometimes it is. The health conscious among us usually start with eliminating the industrial chemical-covered frankenfoods in exchange for organically grown local crops and more ethically sourced animal products. Maybe we also pay better attention to the quality of the water we take in or avoid plastic with the things we consume. And a lot of us do all we can to avoid the harsh products of the pharmaceutical-industrial complex, recognizing that everything from shots to SSRIs often come with new problems that can make us even worse off than when we started. But when it comes to light, the conventional doctrine tends to go unchallenged. Sunlight is definitely deadly, and artificial light is essentially harmless. Well, when almost all the other conventional advice is wrong, maybe this is too. And today's guest, Dr. Alexis Cowan, is here to address just that. Like many bright minds who found their own way, it started with their own personal health journey, being chronically sick at a young age, then fed medications that caused obesity, paired with eating the wrong things, and it all resulted in a long process of correcting where conventional medicine went wrong. Along the way, she got a bachelor's degree in biochemistry and mathematics, and a PhD in molecular biology from Princeton. But like myself, it was finding the work of Dr. Jack Cruz that really awakened her to a foundational pillar of health that goes largely ignored in an area conventional knowledge has gone unchallenged. Our relationship with light. Now, she pays it forward, sharing all she's learned through her website, where she offers courses, protocols, and takes on individual clients, as well as on her podcast, Undoctrinate Yourself, where she talks to other awakened health experts who have also seen the light on a wide range of issues. It's a true honor to have her here, the sunspiracy, exposer, screen sickness educator, and true light bearer in an age of biological darkness. Dr. Cowan, welcome to The Higher Side. Hey, thanks for having me. This was a great intro. Really excited to get into it with you today. Yes, I'm psyched we can do this, because across the board, with friends and family, I see the same thing. Absolute paranoia when it comes to bare skin, sun exposure, and then absolutely no care or thought whatsoever to blue light, screen use, or indoor lighting. And I have small kids, so it comes with a lot of judgment that I'm just not worried about sun exposure enough. And at almost any gathering, the difference is very noticeable between my behavior and my family's and everybody else's. And I'm sure I'm not alone in almost second-guessing myself sometimes, because I feel like I'm on an island with this, and really, really wanting to have someone at a high level like yourself break it all down, so I can feel more confident with this issue in the face of all this kind of peer pressure stuff. So tell us how the light issue got on your radar, and just how it really changed the way you approach health when it's not on anyone else's radar. So I think I had my first realization that something was very wrong within the centralized paradigm when I was doing some circadian studies at Princeton during my PhD, and I had to do all these crazy time points, so like 2 a.m., 6 a.m., 2 p.m., 6 p.m. So my own sleep, of course, was getting tanked in the process of getting this data from the animals. And when I had to go and get these time points late at night, let's say 2 a.m., I go into the mouse room, and in order to actually do what I had to do and take blood samples from the animals, I had to turn on lights. But I could only turn on red lights in the room because, you know, institutionally, we knew that if you put on bright white lights in the middle of the night that you're actually impacting the data that you're receiving. You're impacting the animal's health and circadian well-being. And so I would put the red lights on, take my samples, and then bring the samples back to my, you know, brazenly lit fluorescent light lab and prepare the samples or whatever and put them away. And like, part of me was very stirred up around the dichotomy here. Like, why am I making an effort to only put on red lights for the animals at night, but when it comes to my own health, I'm not taking that same consideration? So that was like my first little inkling that something was up here. But I didn't really fully fall down the circadian and light biology rabbit hole until spring of 2023. So just over two years ago now, when I found Dr. Jack Cruz's podcast with Rick Rubin and Andrew Huberman, for me that like, oh my gosh, there's so much that I missed here. That's honestly quite intuitive and obvious, but for whatever reason has been gatekept from those being trained by the centralized model. So I remember learning about circadian biology tangentially during my graduate training, but never really felt its importance in like my day-to-day life. Like we did have red lights in our home before I even found Jack's work. We weren't really on the blue blocker train. I was naturally always inclined to like tan outside. I always felt like intuitively that that felt good for me, but never connected the dots scientifically. So it wasn't until I found Jack's work that all of those dots started to get connected. And I realized that this was not only like a portal into understanding my own health and how to take things to the next level, but it's also a portal into questioning absolutely everything and realizing that we were basically sold a bill of lies, which is very disconcerting as somebody who has gone to some of the top institutions for training, realizing that we are being sold half truths and not really paying attention to some of the most important and critical aspects that regulate our biology with regards to the light in the environment being this incredibly important aspect to mitochondrial function. And I was in one of the top metabolism research labs at Princeton. And so mitochondria is like at the heart of what we are actually interested in, but we weren't talking about the light conversation whatsoever, despite there being decades and decades of data that this is a really important aspect, not only the visible light that we're exposed to, but also the non-visible, non-native EMFs and native EMFs that are present within the environments that also play critical roles in regulating metabolic and mitochondrial health, circadian biology, and overall the health and or disease of an organism. And so that's kind of my journey that led me up to where I am now, where I'm just like a hundred percent, like all systems go on light biology. I'm looking to, I'm in the process of building out funding and structuring the light lab. So I want to start a decentralized privately funded lab that studies light biology and can ask all the questions that we need answered in a way that the three letter agencies will never have the incentives to fund. And so that's kind of what I'm oriented towards now is really building out this vision and helping to democratize this incredibly important information so that people can reclaim their health. I love it. And yes, obviously, if you can just go outside and heal yourself or feel better when you're sick, then a lot of people lose a lot of money. So there's not a huge incentive to even tell people about this. But I think that would be one of the things that surprises them is that the literature and the data is clear and that it's been clear for a long time because they are confronted with that conventional knowledge that there is no healthy tan. All sunlight is dangerous. You must protect yourself. Well, in your quantum health ebook, you have obviously many, many parts of it dedicated to just this, and I learned a lot from it, but take us through the composition of sunlight and why each part is important, because this is really stuff that should be taught to us in kindergarten, but we're still learning, you know, at 40 years old. Yeah, I actually find it quite interesting that within the centralized landscape, there is this explosion in popularity and red light therapy. And most people who get super into that don't also realize that sunlight is over 50% red and infrared light. And that actually increases as we get towards the beginning and the end of each day. So if we look at sunrise and sunset light, we're looking at 80 plus percent red and infrared light. And as that sunlight approaches midday, we're getting an increase in the amount of the short wavelength, blue, UVA and UVB rays. Um, and so when we're talking about the spectrum of sunlight, we're really looking at the whole visible spectrum. So the way that actually people can verify this for themselves, let's say, because if you look at sunlight, it's not intuitive that there's, you know, Roy G. Biv, red through violet light present in sunlight. But if you, you know, you're outside and you look at something red or you look at something green, you look at a green plant. The reason that plant looks green is because green light from the environment is being reflected off of that plant into your eyeballs. And that actually involves some really cool things about like DHA, which maybe we can get into later. Um, but that allows you to perceive color, right? So whenever you can actually see a color, that is an indication that that color light is present somewhere in your environment. And when it comes to sunlight, we have the full visible spectrum, red, um, yellow, orange, green, blue, and violet. And then on the end of violet, we have ultraviolet UVA and UVB. And above red, we have infrared, which is broken into infrared A and infrared B. Within the infrared A, we have the near infrared rays that get, um, a lot of attention today, I would say. And then the infrared A, the, the far infrared A and out into infrared B, we have these longer wavelengths that are edging towards microwaves and radio frequencies are way down the line there wavelength wise, um, which are the rate, the rays that we use in, um, Wi-Fi, 5G, Bluetooth, et cetera. These are the radio frequencies and they're not present naturally in the environment. This is a man-made, um, kind of a, uh, an environment that we're receiving in nature. We get a very, very, very small fraction of radio frequencies in the environment. Um, but I only mentioned that because I'm sure we're going to talk at some point about non-native EMFs and how they've emerged as this incredibly impactful feature of the modern milieu that is causing a ton of harm. And it's been known to do so for 70 years. Um, but with regards to the composition of sunlight, that's what we're really talking about. Infrared through ultraviolet and each wavelength within sunlight has important features and functions. So maybe we can start at the, uh, infrared and red as it's typically the least controversial, I would say, and move towards the most controversial in the UV rays. So, um, infrared and red light are known to be basically nutrients for mitochondria. So both near-infrared and red light can directly interact with mitochondria to increase mitochondrial water, energy, and light production. So I guess I should just give a little, a brief overview of what mitochondria are responsible for. Um, people may have heard about it in high school biology classes as being the powerhouses of cells. Uh, but they actually do a ton more than simply making power or energy. Um, I really like to conceptualize mitochondria as electromagnetic antennas and electromagnetic emitters. And so what I mean by that, when we say electromagnetism, that is what light is, both the visible and the non-visible parts of the light spectrum fall into the range or the category of electromagnetism. Um, and so when we're talking about electromagnetic emission from mitochondria, we're really talking about bio-photons. So a lot of people don't know that bio-photons are a major feature of all biological systems. And what I mean by that is that all biological systems make light in some form. And we've known for multiple decades now that mitochondria make a ton of these, what are typically called UPEs, ultra-weak photon emissions. The reason they're called ultra-weak is because these photons are not readily lost from the body. Instead, they're retained and absorbed by key molecules within the system. So although they're hard to detect from the outside using a photomultiplier, which is the typical tool that would be used to measure these things, there's a ton of them made inside. They're just kept within the system. And the primary wavelengths, there's a range of them, but some of the most important wavelengths of bio-photons made within the mitochondria are in the infrared and UV range. And in particular, the UV wavelength of many of these bio-photons actually falls within the UV-C range, which is UV light that's stronger than what we receive from sunlight. So the sun does make UV-C light, but it doesn't make it through our atmosphere, so we don't actually receive it here on Earth's surface. But UV-C light is even stronger, higher energy waveform than UV-B light, meaning that it has a lot of high energy, there's a lot of energy stored within those waves. And so our bodies are making those. And so that was like one of the first things I learned that's kind of first principles thinking being that, you know, if our body's making UV light that's stronger than the sun, how could it possibly be toxic? Like there must be more to the story here, and we'll get into that more in a little bit. But suffice to say for now, the body's making UV and infrared light, a ton of it, and it's really, really important from a bioenergetic standpoint. People can prove to themselves that the body makes infrared light. If you ever have an infrared camera or you see any infrared camera footage online, you can look at somebody on an infrared camera, and that's because they're emitting a ton of infrared light, aka heat. So infrared radiation is just another word for heat. And our bodies make a ton of heat because we are endotherms, meaning that we have to produce our own heat to regulate our body temperatures, unlike the exotherms like reptiles, for example, that bask in the sun in order to take on that infrared ray, the infrared rays. And so we are literally light beings making a ton of light. We just happen to not be able to see this light because both UV and IR rays are in the non-visible parts of the spectrum. So we can't perceive it with our eyes, but it's very much there. So this is mitochondria. They're making a ton of biophotons. They're also making energy in the form of ATP, but they're also making something else that's called deuterium-depleted metabolic water. This is all inherent to what's called the electron transport chain, which is the pathway by which the mitochondria actually make ATP, which is the thing that people will probably be most familiar with, which is this like chemical energy reserve. Um, and so as a by-product of making ATP, you are by default making UV biophotons, infrared light, and you're making this deuterium-depleted metabolic water. And many people probably haven't heard of deuterium. Some people may have heard of deuterium in the context of deuterium-depleted water that you can buy. Um, but just briefly, deuterium is a heavy form of hydrogen. Water is H2O. So there's two atoms of hydrogen, one atom of oxygen, and when we're making water within the mitochondria, the hydrogens that are being put together with the oxygen to make this water are only light hydrogen. So protium, which is the just, you know, one proton, one electron, the smallest element on the periodic table in the top left corner. But there are different what are called isotopes of hydrogen. So deuterium is a heavy form of hydrogen that has a neutron added into the mix. And so because hydrogen is only a mass unit of one, so if you look at like the atomic mass, it's roughly one. And when you add a neutron into the mix to get deuterium, you're actually increasing the mass from one to two. So you're doubling the mass. And when you double the mass of something, it increases the size of that thing as well. And it turns out that part of the electron transport chain that is required, again, to make this energy, water, and light, is called ATP synthase. And it's the last step that allows for the production of ATP. Now, a little bit complex, but hopefully people are bearing with me here. Mitochondria essentially work as a battery, separating positive and negative charge. So negative charge being electrons, positive charge being protons. Protons are hydrogen without the electron present. So it's just an H+. So part of this electron transport chain's job is to pump protons out of the inner part of the mitochondria to separate it from the negative charge, the electrons. Then the electrons are pumped through this chain. The protons then can come back into the inside of the mitochondria through ATP synthase. But the reason I bring this up and the reason it's important is because only light hydrogen can fit very well through the pore in ATP synthase that allows the gradient to be decreased. That allows for actually, if you look at an electron microscopy video or image, a rendering of ATP synthase, it's literally a rotor, a nanorotor that spins. And as it spins, it makes ATP. And the reason it spins is because these protons are coming back into the inner part of the mitochondria through this pore, but only light hydrogen can fit through that pore well. And so the reason I'm even mentioning this is because when deuterium starts to get into the mitochondrial environment, it starts gunking up the mitochondrial engines and impairing the production of light, water, and energy at the level of the mitochondria. And so when we look at the deuterium depletion studies using deuterium depleted water that you can go by, those studies are really what we're seeing from that is mitochondrial improvement, which is highly relevant in basically all chronic disease states. A couple of the major areas that it's been primarily studied are in cancer and in diabetes. So in some 12-week clinical trials in humans, we see dramatic amelioration of type 2 diabetes and insulin sensitivity, as well as decreased cancer-like grading and reduction in the rate of spreading of cancers and increased remission rates as well. So deuterium depleted water helps to restore mitochondrial function, which then facilitates the production of endogenously produced deuterium depleted water. So our cells, our mitochondria, are making a ton of their own deuterium depleted water, but it's just a matter of how well they're functioning is going to dictate how much we make. And then, of course, the biophotons come along for the ride as well. So anyway, to zoom back out to the red and infrared light story, when we're talking about red and infrared light supporting mitochondrial function, we're talking about all these things. We're talking about the production of light inside. We're talking about the production of energy. And we're talking about the production of deuterium depleted metabolic water inside of ourselves. And we're meant to be bathed in red and infrared light from sunup till sundown. No matter what time of day it is, if the sun is up, there is an abundance of red and infrared light. The near-infrared component of infrared light is particularly important because it has the most penetrance. So it can penetrate the deepest into the body. It can go through the skin. It can go through bone. It can go through hair. It can go through clothing even. And so near-infrared light is particularly important when we're talking about bathing even the deepest mitochondria in our body with these healing frequencies that facilitate mitochondrial function. Modern indoor environments are completely devoid of near-infrared light. So if we look at energy efficient quote-unquote light bulbs, we're thinking about LED and fluorescent bulbs as well as our device screens, our laptops, our phones, our desktop computers, our TVs, tablets. These are all highly shifted towards blue wavelength light and away from red and infrared light because infrared light is seen as a waste product because it is not contributing to the brightness of the device or the light bulb. And there's no recognition that infrared light is actually an essential nutrient for the body by these government entities that are deciding what the standards should be for indoor artificial lights. And so the result is that we're sitting in indoor environments. 90% of Americans' time is spent indoors. 90% or more, in fact, in some cases. And so while we're talking about the indoor milieu, we're talking about a very blue shifted light environment that is absent in red and infrared light as well as UV light. And this is exacerbated as well by the window glass that is used in standard window panes, which blocks almost all near-infrared light, about 30% of UVA light and all of UVB light. And so simply by sitting indoors behind glass, you're already concentrating the blue part of the light spectrum from some light. So anytime anybody, you know, tells me, oh, I have great natural light in my home, unless those windows are open or your doors are open, that is not natural light. In fact, that is artificial light already without even adding any of the light fixtures into the mix. And so that's kind of the red and infrared part of the story. We are highly deficient in it as a species, as a modern indoor living species. The next part of the spectrum I'll talk about is blue. So I mentioned that our indoor environments are very blue shifted. Blue light is very important from a biological regulation standpoint. So blue light is the primary input that is regulating our circadian rhythms. So many people have probably heard of circadian rhythm, but just briefly, the circadian rhythm is the 24 hour cycle in the human body. And it is primarily dictated by cycles of light and dark in the environment. So those are the two primary inputs that are allowing the master clock in the brain, the SCN, the suprachiasmatic nucleus, to understand what time of day it is, and to then send all of the endocrine signals to the rest of the body about, okay, this is what time it is. We need to engage in these behaviors. Because if it's bright out and there's lots of blue light present, midday sun is about 25% blue light, but it's always balanced with an abundance of red and infrared light, which is important because blue light in isolation actually impairs mitochondrial function. And actually, side note, I know we'll talk about melanoma a little bit later, but there is published literature going back many, many years showing that exposure to fluorescent lights can actually increase the severity and risk of developing melanoma. So take that for what we will. We'll get back to that a little bit later. But that blue light in isolation impairs mitochondrial function in the skin, eyes, and proximal brain regions where it's reaching. And, you know, that's not something you want to do. And again, in nature, we always receive blue light with an abundance of red and infrared because that red and infrared actually helps to buffer the effects of blue light on mitochondrial function. So blue light, midday, 25%. Combine that with the brightness of sunlight, if we're talking about the brightness of indoor versus outdoor environments. Indoor, we're looking at max a couple thousand lux, which is a measure of brightness. Outdoors on a sunny day, we're talking 100,000 plus lux. So the brightness of the light is much, much, much higher outside. And light brightness is also a very important aspect or input to circadian biology to help turn on the processes that are supposed to happen during the day. And those include cognition, digestion, movement, metabolism. These are all functions that are important to be able to upregulate during the daytime when we need to access these faculties. Contrast that with nighttime. At night, we're supposed to get dark darkness that is devoid of blue light, that is devoid of bright light. And that also, I would argue, includes non-native EMFs because, again, these are sources of light in the environment, whether we see them or not. Our cells are looking and expecting to receive darkness at night, which is what allows the other program to turn on in the circadian system, which has to do with regeneration, cellular cleanup, autophagy, mitophagy, cellular turnover. Very, very important part of the day. So in summary there, with regards to circadian biology, both bright, full-spectrum light from the sun and dark darkness at night are equally important when it comes to having a healthy circadian rhythm. Not one is more important than the other. And that's why nature is a decentralized system. There's no one single controller. It is controlled by two different things, light and dark, at the same time. And so we need both of those if we want to have health in general and also have a healthy circadian rhythm as well. So blue light is the primary input that is telling that master clock in the brain, hey, it's daytime. We need to activate daytime functions, which also upregulates sympathetic drive, movement, drive, cognition, these types of things. However, the blue light that we're receiving in indoor environments is not natural. It's very alien because we're not receiving it in the proper balance with other wavelengths of light. And so instead we're kind of getting pushed too far in that direction where we're actually leading to burnout and sympathetic overdrive and elevating cortisol levels. And we'll talk about the Palm C story when we talk about UV light. It also kind of relates as well to blue light exposure, but I'll link it back later. But suffice to say for now that when we're exposed to a lot of these artificial lights during the day, but especially at night, we are directly blunting melatonin release from the pineal gland, which is responsible for helping us to get sleepy, to fall asleep and get good quality sleep throughout the night. That blue light directly impairs that release. Furthermore, if we didn't get enough bright full spectrum light during the day, we don't even have the serotonin available to convert to melatonin to make that, you know, melatonin available for us to get that good quality sleep and fall asleep easily. So again, this is a two factor story. We need both the bright light during the day and the dark darkness at night, if we're looking to optimize sleep quality. And so the blue light that we're getting in our indoor environments is a problem at nighttime for sure, from a sleep quality perspective, from a metabolism perspective, from a mental health perspective, all of these things. But then during the daytime, we're not getting any of that near infrared light, like I mentioned, which is actually responsible for making melatonin in every mitochondria within your entire body. And it turns out the melatonin within the mitochondria is very special and distinct from the melatonin made in the pineal gland. The mitochondrial melatonin acts as a major antioxidant within the mitochondria to help maintain the proper balance of reactive oxygen and nitrogen species. And that is actually an important part of the biophoton story, as it turns out. But it's also an important part of the mitophagy and mitochondrial biogenesis story. So those are the processes by which our bodies are able to deplete the damaged mitochondria and expand the good quality mitochondria. And so when we're missing a lot of that near infrared light in our environments, as all modern humans are, for the most part, we are missing the creation of this incredibly important subcellular factor in form of melatonin that is actually allowing our cells to maintain quality control mechanisms. I'll move on to UV light, but I don't know if you have any questions first before I continue ranting. No, no. I feel like you've talked about this before, but I do have just a couple of things in my notes. And this is UVA and B related, which you're going to talk about. But UVA light is a primary stimulus of nitric oxide production in the body. And NO is a free radical that stimulates the blood vessels to dilate, allowing for the delivery of nutrients and oxygen to tissues and the removal of metabolic waste products. NO is produced whenever UVA light touches your body. In other words, the more skin you can expose, the more benefits you will receive. And then you say in the book, side note, NO deficiency in the blood vessels of the genitals is a primary defect in hypertension, high blood pressure and erectile dysfunction. Don't know anything about that. And then UVB, in addition to vitamin D production, UVB light also stimulates the production of a pro-hormone in the skin and brain called palm C, which you mentioned. Palm C promotes alpha, beta and gamma endorphins. And those endorphins boost mood, cognitive function, support healthy immune function, improve memory, reduce anxiety, reduce compulsive behaviors and addictions and enhance baseline dopamine levels, which increases capacity for critical thinking, empathy and open mindedness. And you can only max the palm C if your skin and eyes are being exposed. So there's the sunglass component as well. But yeah, what did I miss there? No, that's that's beautiful. And that's exactly where I'm heading next. So that's a great preface preface for that. So when it comes to UV light, we have these two subsets that we're exposed to from sunlight. So UVA and UVB. So with regards to UVA, you mentioned the one really important part of the story, which is the nitric oxide production part. So UVA light directly supports the production of nitric oxide in the skin. Then that nitric oxide is able to diffuse into the bloodstream where it exerts its effects on the blood vessels, creating vasodilation, facilitating blood flow, nutrient oxygen delivery, waste tissue removal from tissues, as you mentioned. Nitric oxide is also the primary defect in cardiovascular disease, in particular hypertension, high blood pressure. And so I mean, it makes perfect sense when we see every time people are going outside, you know, they're typically if they're not wearing clothing covering their skin, they're slathering on sunscreen to prevent that UVA light from interacting with their skin. And so they're missing out on this incredible cardiovascular support mechanism in the form of UVA light exposure onto the skin. There's also another part of the story, though, which is a photoreceptor or a light receptor that's expressed in the body called neuropsin. So neuropsin is specifically a UVA light detector. So it's looking for UVA light in the environment, which another side note, I challenge all the ophthalmologists and dermatologists to answer me this. Why would our bodies express a receptor all over our surfaces for UVA light if we weren't meant to receive it? I think it's a great question. Yeah. So neuropsin is expressed in skin, eyes, testes as well. So that whole trend about like sunning your balls actually scientifically back because neuropsin in the testes actually relates to testosterone production and fertility rates. So you actually need to get UVA light directly on that tissue to stimulate the neuropsin in that tissue. So there is something to that. Obviously, again, we're going to talk about UV light exposure. It doesn't mean to go outside and like fry yourself to a crisp. We're going to talk about as it relates to UV light building up the solar callus as Jack Cruz has coined, which means that you're gradually building up your tolerance over time. But you're also modulating your lifestyle to decrease your risk of burning because a lot of people think, oh, you know, I'm just going to burn because I have fair skin or something. But that's not the case. A lot of the behaviors that modern humans are engaging in are setting them up to burn. It's not an inevitability. So those are the two main portions of the UVA light story, the nitric oxide part of the story, as well as the neuropsin part of the story. And neuropsin also plays a role in local circadian regulation. So we mentioned the master clock in the brain, the SCN. There's also peripheral clocks throughout all the tissues in the body that are regulated by that master clock, but they're also looking for signals from the environment to regulate themselves at a local level. And so this UVA light via neuropsin is another important lever in this story. Now let's talk about UVB light. Probably the most demonized of the light spectrum of the sun, but also arguably among the most important. Funny how that works out. I know, right? It's funny how that happens. So UVB light is, people probably know a bit about it from the vitamin D part of the story. And so UVB light is the only part of the solar spectrum that's able to catalyze the conversion of 7-dehydrocholesterol into pre-vitamin D in the skin. So UVB rays are the ones responsible for making vitamin D. We're going to talk about the vitamin D story probably in a little bit. Actually, I might as well just get into it now. So vitamin D, a lot of people are supplementing with it, right? And they think, oh, you know, I'm doing a good thing, getting my vitamin D levels up with the supplement. I mean, some people also struggle to get their levels up with a supplement, but that's kind of another story. All of the data in the literature up through now, including some major, major large human trials, including the vital study, which took thousands of people and gave them high dose vitamin D supplements to look at health outcomes. And particularly they were looking for outcomes in cardiovascular disease and cancer and find next to no benefit from supplementing with vitamin D, despite the fact that adequate vitamin D status is associated with protection against cardiovascular disease and cancer, multiple cancer types. And so the takeaway from that for people should be that vitamin D in your blood is actually a biomarker of your sun exposure habits, of your time spent outdoors, and it's not something that should be optimized via supplementation. It's not actually evidence-based anymore to supplement with vitamin D. What is evidence-based is all of the benefits that you get from sun exposure, even independent of vitamin D, which is what I want to get to now, because when you learn about the benefits of UVB light outside of vitamin D, it becomes very clear that you can't simply take a pill for this. It actually has to be from UVB light itself. And so that's where the POMC story enters. POMC stands for pro-opio-melanocortin. It's this complex pro-hormone that's made in many tissues, but the two that I'm going to focus on here are the brain via UVB light exposure to the eyes, as well as in the skin. The immune cells also make POMC. And it's also interesting to note here that the immune cells, the brain and the skin also all come from the same embryologic origin, which is called neuroectoderm. So if anybody took a developmental biology class, this is one of the primary tissues within a developing organism that then splits off to make different tissues. So the reason I bring that up is because it's important to realize that the skin, the brain and the immune system are tightly linked because they share the same origin together. And so when we make this POMC in the skin and the eyes via UVB light exposure, POMC gets cleaved into 10 different hormonal products. So I want to actually give a little bit of nuance here. Depending on what tissue is expressing POMC depends on how many of these cleavage products become unlocked. When you're exposing your skin and your eyes to UVB light, again, when I talk about eyes exposed to UVB light, I don't mean staring directly at the sun. I just mean allowing the ambient light to come into your eyes unfiltered, not coming through sunglasses, UV blocking prescription glasses, UV blocking contacts, allowing your naked eyes to interact with the ambient light. When you do that, that triggers the production of POMC in a specific part of the brain called the hypothalamus, which is like the thermostat for the entire body. It regulates energy expenditure, it regulates appetite, it regulates body temperature, metabolic rate, all these things. So that's a unique aspect to hypothalamic production is that all 10 POMC cleavage products are made in the hypothalamus when POMC is expressed there. Same in the skin. When you make POMC in the skin, you get the full repertoire of products. In contrast, when you make POMC in the anterior pituitary gland, which is another structure or gland within the brain, you can actually make POMC in the pituitary gland from blue light exposure. However, you don't get all the cleavage products. And what's worth noting here is that one of the cleavage products that you do unlock from blue light exposure into the eyes in the pituitary gland is called ACTH. So ACTH is the stimulator of cortisol production in the adrenal glands. So when you're exposed to blue light in the absence of UVB light, you now are making cortisol and cortisol is kind of gets demonized. I mean, it's not all bad, right? It's an important circadian biosensor. It's supposed to be made in the morning and upregulated in the morning to help liberate glucose and fat from, you know, storage so that your organs and your brain in particular have this energy to come online and start to wake up for the day. But most people are sitting under artificial blue light that's completely devoid of UV and infrared light all day long, which means that they're becoming, I don't want to say cortisol dominant, but their cortisol levels are higher and more extended than they should be. And cortisol is very catabolic. So it can lead to the breakdown of tissues, breakdown of skeletal muscle. It elevates glucose levels, elevates insulin levels. In effect, it's creating more insulin resistance within the system, which is actually a physiologic mechanism to spare resources for the brain, which is what it's meant to do in the morning. But if it's elevated, extended all day long to a certain extent, now you're actually creating and fomenting insulin resistance in your system because if you're under that light all the time, you're literally creating that state moment to moment. So that's the blue light story as it relates to palm seed production in the pituitary gland. But as it relates to hypothalamus and skin, the UVB light is the primary stimulus for palm seed production in these tissues. And then we get the full repertoire of products, which I want to get into now. So three of the cleavage products of palm seed in the hypothalamus and the skin are alpha, beta, and gamma MSH or melanocyte stimulating hormone. As the name implies, these hormones are responsible for triggering the production of melanin within the melanocytes. So these cells that make new melanin. Melanin is a very deep, dark, pitch black pigment. It absorbs all wavelengths of light. From radio frequencies out through gamma radiation. And I want to talk about melanin a little bit as well because it's actually like a superpower. And the more I learn about quantum and light biology, the more I realize that there's no such thing as a healthy tan propaganda. And also the demonization of having darker skin and thinking that it's like dirty and bad and it's like socioeconomically at a lower status if you have darker skin is a total psyop. And we'll get into why in a little bit, like the actual powers of melanin that it has is so incredible. But suffice to say for now that alpha, beta, and gamma MSH allow our body to make new melanin in response to UVB light exposure. So the new melanin that's produced by melanocytes in response to UVB light can take up to three days to manifest. When you go out for like a single sunning session and you feel like you look more tan at the end of that session, what that's really a result of is UVA light exposure. So UVA light can change how melanin granules, the size of them and where they're diffusing to. And so when you acutely get more tan from UVA light, you're really just changing the density and the positioning of the melanin granules, but you're not increasing the total melanin amount in the body. UVB light is what makes new melanin. That's only frequency that's able to do that. And so melanin is really important. We're going to talk a little bit about why in a minute, but I want to talk about alpha MSH in particular really quick, which is one of these cleavage products that I mentioned, because outside of supporting melanin production, alpha MSH also directly interacts with the hypothalamus in the brain to decrease appetite and increase energy expenditure. So for anybody who's hearing that, that should be kind of like a mic drop moment, because when you look at this ozempic craze and the GLP-1 agonists, they're actually working on the same pathway, which is what a lot of people don't know. GLP-1 stimulates the production of POMC in the hypothalamus to create POMC in the hypothalamus, which gives you this alpha MSH, which can then suppress appetite and increase energy expenditure. So what I'm saying is, naturally, just by getting enough UVB light, you're activating the same pathway, actually. And so it's incredibly important from a metabolic health standpoint, from a body composition standpoint and a fat loss standpoint. And with regards to appetite suppression as well, we're going to link this back to the melanin story in a little bit, but there's a researcher called Dr. Arturo Solis Herrera, who has this hypothesis of human photosynthesis, whereby he purports that melanin can split water to make free energy. And actually, if you look at the neuroendocrine response to UVB light, that would actually support that, right? Because if you are able to leverage high energy waves and sunlight, aka UV light, in the sun to make free energy, the natural response of the system should be to decrease appetite and increase energy expenditure, because now you have more energy on board to deal with. And what he's saying is actually not unprecedented either. So if you look back into the 90s, researchers at Chernobyl went into the reactors and found all of these pitch black mushrooms within Chernobyl. And they did some research and they found out that these mushrooms were actually using melanin to make free energy from the gamma radiation from the nuclear fallout. Like, how amazing is that, right? So we actually have proof of concept in the fungal kingdom that this is very, very much possible and is likely happening in humans. So this is actually one of the major points that I'm looking to study in the light lab as well, is to further flesh out exactly what's happening when the melanin in our skin and our eyes and our hair is interacting with UVB light. So going back to Palm C, there's another really important cleavage product that I want to highlight here, and that is beta endorphin. So people may have heard of endorphins in the context of like exercise, for example, but endorphins are endogenous opioid molecules, just like the drugs that people like to abuse. And the opioids not only make us feel good and feel kind of satisfied and content and happy, but also help to raise overall dopamine levels, which as you alluded to a bit ago, you mentioned that when these dopamine levels go up, you can actually think better, you can critically think better. And most people are suffering from a case of dopamine burnout because we're constantly scrolling on social media on these blue light devices that totally burn us out and activate our sympathetic nervous system that is leading to this, you know, draining of our energetic resources. And that's not even to mention the flicker from these devices that is exhausting the eye muscles that help to actually control the pupil contraction and expansion, which is completely just like off the rails when we're in high flicker environments, which is the case for all of our device screens, essentially, as well as fluorescent light bulbs are a big source of flicker as well. LEDs are also a problem. And so the modern human is very, very, you know, very low dopamine state, which means that they're easily manipulated, they're easily sold, they're easily sold propaganda, let's say, and will assimilate that as just fact without looking into anything themselves. And so when you're getting enough UVB light and getting these endorphins and the dopamine that you get as a result of them, that's actually allowing you to kind of see the bigger picture better. It's able, it's allowing you to also get more parasympathetic so that you can see the bigger picture more readily. When you're getting, when you have the proper balance of parasympathetic to sympathetic nervous system tone, you can not only literally, like you get more access to your peripheral vision, so you can literally see more, but you can also in your higher mind, let's say you can see the bigger picture more readily as well. So you're able to connect more dots, you're able to think more clearly. You're also going to be much less likely to fall victim to compulsive and addictive behaviors, right? Because if you're getting your dopamine at a consistent rate from your environment via UV light, now you're not going to feel the need to reach for the junk food, reach for the pornography, reach for the drugs, the alcohol, or whatever people get their hits on, because you're already getting, you don't need a hit, you already have the baseline elevated. Basically, the way I like to think about dopamine is you've got to get it one way or another. So if you're not getting from your environment, you're going to go looking for it through these compulsive behaviors that give you this quick hit and then a crash of dopamine. So instead of cruising at altitude, you're on the dopamine roller coaster, which is, you know, you're just asking for burnout and bad relationships and, you know, a short fuse and all of these things as a result of that. Yes. And let me jump in here just to say on this topic of dopamine burnout and all these effects that you just laid out. I mean, you are crushing it. You don't even need me here. But what I want to talk about is how these effects that you just ran through the list, these effects were intentional. The cultivation of these effects were intentional. This is basically something I got from Uncle Jack, but the story of screen technology, it's not an accident that it emits blue light and only blue light. This was designed from the get go as kind of an outcropping of MK ultra. The way the story goes, as he tells it is the CIA saw what was happening in Vegas casinos and like, well, how are they getting people to give their money away and making so much? And they realize they're controlling behavior by getting rid of the windows, having these big flashing screens and these, these machines, these slot machines that are emitting blue light. You know, they got good looking women with their tits out and they're feeding them alcohol. As he says, like, these are the components to keep people sitting there giving away their money to essentially the mob and the CIA wanted to see what was going on. That's one piece of the story. But then, you know, as project paperclip was happening and they're bringing these Nazi scientists in MK ultra, they're, they're transporting a lot of data. Then they go down to Mexico to see if they can control bulls with electrofrequency or lights in the, and those Jose Delgado's work. There you go. And they realize that they can, and then they can do it wirelessly using light. So they're studying behavior control using light. They find that the part of the spectrum that's most useful for it is blue light. And then the story is they make all that, that, that goes to DARPA and then DARPA hands out the patents for screen technology. It goes to IBM. IBM has worked with Nazis before, not, not unfamiliar. And they start making screens that emit blue light because they want these very effects. And now today in the smartphone world, we know that it's a dopamine hit, all these little red notifications. It's not just the design of the apps and social media. It's the screen itself. So you can't even say, well, I am just going to avoid the notifications and I'm just going to turn that off and not let the social media affect me that way. No, it's the screen itself. So that was just really eyeopening to me, but where it gets weird, and I hope maybe you can shed some light on this, but now Google was founded in 1995. They get the part, the patents for the search algorithm from DARPA and Google and meta apparently have the blue light screen patents. This is what Dr. Jack talks about. And Nicole Shanahan, of course, was the patent attorney for Google. So she, as I understand, sought Dr. Cruz's help with her autistic son. They start talking. She has this extra insight. A lot of people don't have. And I'm assuming that this relationship is how Dr. Cruz got a lot of this information about the patents of blue light and the history of the screens being used as a weapon essentially. But did I miss anything in that story? Because people worry so much about the sunlight, a hundred percent concerned about sunlight, zero percent concerned about the weaponized technology they're using every minute of the fucking day. And I just want, did I miss anything laying that story out? I mean, also when you say it like that, it becomes very obvious why you would need to demonize the sunlight if you're trying to control people with this technology, because if they use it outside and they're balancing those frequencies with natural light, you're no longer getting the intended effect on like hooking them to that device and being able to, I mean, independent of just being addicted to being on the screen itself, we have no idea what kind of subliminal messaging can actually be put into your subconscious mind using the flicker or the pulse waves that are used in the non-Native EMF part of this story as well. And that's another thing I wanted to highlight is that you can't really separate the blue light from the non-Native EMFs in this story. And if you look at Jose Delgado's studies for MKUltra back in the day, they initially were using radio frequencies in these things and using this wireless communication via the non-Native EMFs to control the bull. But then I really want to highlight Alan Fry's work as well as Robert O. Becker's work. So both of these researchers were active from starting around the 1950s onward. Becker ended up getting canceled in 1977. But both researchers were looking at non-Native EMFs. The difference was that Becker was not only looking at the harms of them, but he was also looking at the regeneration pathways to teach people and to teach himself and find out how you can actually heal from these exposures. On the other hand, Alan Fry was only looking at the harms of these frequencies and his information and findings were actually what ended up being weaponized. And actually, he's still alive. I don't know how cogent he is. I would die to have an interview with him. Apparently, he's in Maryland, which isn't too far for me. So hopefully, I can make some headway on that front. But his research was very astounding with regards to what effects could be had on biological systems from non-Native EMFs. So he showed, he did some work in rodents and in frogs, but he showed that you could basically make rats more docile by exposing them to non-Native EMFs. So more suggestible, more calm, even in the face of threat, which is very interesting. He also found that you could stop a frog's heart using non-Native EMFs alone at sufficient intensity. And so he found, you know, all of these different effects that could be had wirelessly on organisms now somehow is packed into the technology that we're all relying on 24-7. And like, you know, the modern human is now not only getting issues from 5G towers, let's say, but everybody has a mini 5G tower in their house in the form of a Wi-Fi router. So we're all consciously, I mean, we don't really know, a lot of people don't know the harms, but we're bringing this stuff into our homes, into our spaces. We're putting our children on tablets from like age two years old, not realizing what this tech was actually designed to do and what it's actively doing. Like you don't need to actually know the conspiracy behind the issue. You can just look at a two-year-old with an iPad and try to take it away from them and they throw a tantrum. Right. Like there is a very, very addictive quality to this technology that is also tied up with this non-Native EMF part of the story because it's also hijacking our biology in different ways. So yeah, I think it's also something that I'm going to be exploring in the course that I'm starting next month. So it's already in like pre-launch, but our first lessons on July 3rd, it's called Science Silenced. And it's literally, we're unpacking Jack's history lesson with like all the receipts and the primary references and resources. And we're going to dig a little bit deeper into certain things like the Flexner report. And specifically, we're interested in how medicine and science were hijacked over the past several decades or centuries, you could even say. And so that's going to be the focus of the course, but it should be very, very fun to unpack that with people and see all the light bulb moments happen. Yes, indeed. And I also would advise people to go to your Instagram. You use Instagram in a very interesting way. It's aesthetically pleasing and you have these like kind of deep dive rabbit holes that go just through slides. And that's how I learned about Dr. Alan Frey because I knew about Obecker and we've talked about that before with some guests, even on the more esoteric side, the regenerative properties of this stuff. And like, what could the upper limits of that really be? There's some really interesting conversations there. You put an electrical current through a wound and it heals faster. Nobody's doing that. You know, where's that being implemented in society? But yeah, also it's just very telling that they've jammed the iPads into the schools because I have a three-year-old daughter going to be getting up into kindergarten age soon. And it's like, good luck finding a school that doesn't use these technologies. And it's like, if they're weaponized, if they're well-designed to create the effects that they want, then they make sure you're using them at every possible instance that has anything to do with the state. And that's true. COVID was an incredibly convenient excuse to put Wi-Fi and tablets in every single classroom. And I mean, I have a 14-year-old steps on and he wears his blue blockers to school now because he was even saying like, you know, I'm getting a headache being on these screens all day. Like, this is not good. And if we look at, you know, grade school kids, they get less outdoor time than maximum security prisoners. Like, what are we actually doing here? And that's why I'm also excited in two weeks, I'm going to be going to New Hampshire to give a talk to all of the principals and superintendents in the state to teach them about light biology and the harms of blue light and non-native EMFs and hopefully encourage them to reshape their in-school environments, not only for the health of the kids, but also the faculty too. Everybody is being affected by this. Yes, indeed. And to go back to Dr. Alan Frey a little bit, you say in those Instagram posts that for two decades, he was funded by the U.S. Army and Office of Naval Research. And he was probably the most prolific researcher on radio frequency effects on biological systems. He could make rats docile, like you said, alter their behavior, heighten their heart rates. And this was with pulsed RF frequency that is about 10% of what is now in a normal household, which is crazy. And you also say that the important study to know is in 1975, he published a research study where a fluorescent dye was used to study RF radiation and the blood brain barrier permeability in animals exposed to RF significant amounts of dye reached the brain tissue. So people always speculate, does it cross the blood brain barrier or not? I'm telling you right now, this is the study that you can tell all your friends about, but the effect was pronounced when the radiation was pulsed compared to continuous wave and all cell phone towers, wifi, Bluetooth, and smart meters used pulsed frequencies. So not just half or one or two, all of them, because as we established, there is a history of weaponizing technologies to get the desired effect. And as Dr. Jack says, it really destroys your dopamine systems entirely. And then we are, you know, like you said, more susceptible to making bad choices overall because our dopamine is destroyed. As we're wrapping this thing up, I just wanted to ask you about recommendations. So obviously there's the people you talk to on your podcast. A lot of them I haven't heard of, and I follow this space pretty closely, but when it comes to the health pillar of what I consider this to be a conspiracy show, you hit on a lot of people that I'm unaware of. And so that alone is interesting. I'm curious who you think has been most impactful in terms of your podcast guests, but also products that can help us in these areas. Like I've looked online for a non blue light emitting screen. I know you might recommend this other thing, but just before I just, uh, ramble into all this stuff, let me turn it over to you in terms of recommendations for the thought leaders and the actual products that can improve our situation. Um, yeah. So daylight computer is making the world's first blue light free tablet. That's actually, it renders at the same rate that like a normal tablet would. So it's literally just like using, uh, an e-ink device, but you can use it outside with ambient light. So you don't need to use, um, like a blue lit backlight. However, it does have an amber backlight. So if you wanted to use it at night, you can use that and you don't have to worry about the blue light. So that's great for, you know, for kids and for adults alike, and you can do work on that. And I think they have an update coming this month that allows you to connect a third party webcam. So you can even do like zoom calls on it. Um, so that's a really, really good chin for people who are looking for devices that are made by people who are aligned, um, in, in their beliefs and values. Uh, and so they're doing a really good work over there with regards to, um, light bulbs. I really like healthlighting.com. They make incandescent bulbs, uh, of varying wattages. So the higher the wattage, the brighter they are. And again, we want that bright full spectrum light indoors during the daytime. Um, and incandescent bulbs have both, they have a ton of infrared and a little bit of UVA. I actually like to use their UVA reptile bulbs inside in the house. They're pretty bright and they also have more UVA and still a ton of infrared, but they have like a bright white light color. So they're a really good option, um, to help round out the indoor light spectrum. If you have to be inside. Um, they also make nighttime red incandescent bulbs as well, which are like a dim red color so that you can use those at night as needed. Um, they also make a red sauna bulb. Um, so I really like, you know, red light panels have a time and place, but I really like the full spectrum sauna bulbs as red light therapy, um, because they have a continuous wavelength spectrum. So they have, you know, a red light panel may have four wavelengths, but a red sauna bulb may have, you know, 600 nanometers, which is the beginning of red, 601, 602, 603, dot, dot, dot, all the way out to 3,100 nanometer far infrared light. So you're getting the full spectrum from red out through far infrared that you would get from sunlight. So I really like to use, um, those sauna bulbs, um, in lieu of like most traditional red light therapies. I do still use like red light panels. Um, I have Mito red brands in particular, um, that I'll use if I'm like on my Peloton, if it's raining out and I, you know, want to go on the Peloton and work out inside, I'll use that. Um, but it can also help. You can just add some of that red and infrared light back into your environment. And that's also what the incandescent bulbs will do. By the way, the incandescent bulb ban is not reversed. There were some influencers online that said that Trump reversed that ban when he first started his term recently. And that's not the case. And actually in order to reverse this ban, we have to go back and revise the 2000, I think a seven or eight, um, bill that was written that set the standards for indoor lighting. Um, because that's actually where the problem lies because incandescent bulbs produce a ton of infrared light, which is non-visible. The standard set for light bulbs starting in 2028 is going to be so stringent that not only are incandescent bulbs not going to be allowed, but even warm white LEDs will not be allowed. Everything is going to be cool white according to these new standards. So we need to reverse that before that is actually enacted. And so we have, you know, a couple of years to make that happen. And I know Scott Zimmerman is somebody who's been working on generating petitions and getting the word out there. And he's been on my podcast a couple of times, one time with Jack, one time solo. Um, so he's a good resource, but we got to make some changes in that department before, um, you know, this bill gets enacted and, you know, we're all being forced to bathe in this cool white LED light, which is again, even more enriched in blue light than the standard LEDs would be. Um, and that's what makes it the cool color. And so we need to do something about that. Obviously there will probably still be some ways to get incandescent bulbs from overseas, even if that were to happen, but for the general population, that's not going to be possible. And most people don't even know that like incandescent bulbs are actually very beneficial on the best form of light bulb that you can use indoors. And you can really think about incandescent bulbs kind of as like a filament on fire. So it's more similar to fire light than anything. Interesting. Versus the led and fluorescent bulbs, they use completely different technologies. Right. Um, that work in an entirely different way as energy efficient bulbs. And what makes them energy efficient again is the removal of infrared and AV light from the spectrum and the concentration of this blue wavelength light that increases the brightness, but decreases the total spectrum that's being, um, emitted. So that's on the bulb front. Um, what else do I want to say? Uh, what other kinds of products are you thinking? I'm sure I have more. I'm just becoming brain dead rapidly. Well, I've heard on my list, I've heard you talk about the grounded cold plunge tub from morosco forge. And then also these methylene blue trochies. I went to their website. I mean, the marketing definitely sucks me right in as to how do I want to feel in this moment? We got something for every possible mood and feeling you would want. Uh, I like that. Um, but these are rabbit holes on their own, but they do seem to be things that you've implemented into your overall life. Yeah. Methylene blue is like an occasional thing. Um, the transcriptions ones are pretty low dose. So you're not really having to deal with any potential issues there with occasional use, but for the higher dose, uh, methylene blue usage, it's something that Jack talks about quite a bit. And it's not something you'd want to mess around with without really knowing what you're doing. Um, so that's what I would say about that. But with regards to cold, I'm obsessed with my morosco forge. Um, Tom Seeger, who's the co-creator of morosco was the first guest I had on my podcast back in 2023. Um, so it was really cool to be able to get access to this product. It's, it's amazing. It's fully grounded. Um, it's a metal tub and all of the electrical components are grounded. So there's a contact there so that when you get in the tub, it's kind of akin to going in the ocean, which is also fully grounded. And I keep mine around 54 degrees. Um, so it's not like an ice bath, but I stay in there for 25 to 45 minutes, three days a week on alternating days. So we're talking a little bit higher temperature, but longer time periods. And that actually allows the biophysics of your body to work better. Because one of the things that Becker found, um, which was initially hypothesized by Nobel prize winner, Albert St. Georgie in 1939, was that the body is full of semiconductors and, uh, semiconductors people may know or may not work better at colder temperatures. So if you look at like the big tech industries, when they're studying and doing research on semiconductors, they do it at very cold temperatures because semiconductors work differently and better at cooler temperatures. So by the same logic, when you go into a cold plunge and can stay in there long enough to actually begin to drop your core temperature, that is allowing all of the semiconductor networks throughout the body to work more efficiently to transfer photonic and electronic energy. Because, you know, that's what semiconductors do. They move photons, they move electrons. And so things can move more effortlessly in your system when you're able to drop that temperature, you know, a few times a week. And the 54 to 56 degree temperature point is low enough to get you there in a reasonable amount of time, but also high enough to not pose a risk of hyperthermia and also not to make the experience completely miserable. If it's too cold, you can't really stay in that long. So 54, 55 degrees is like a really good sweet spot for that, that you can stay in long enough to actually get those benefits, but, uh, it's not going to be, you know, a drag to do so. Um, so yeah, we love our morosco and we have it outside in the full sun too. So I usually, when I'm using it, it's also like, I'm getting beautiful sun on me at the same time. And it's like a very nice experience. I also put like eight pounds of Epsom salts into it. Um, which is also very helpful. Yes. So there are a lot of opportunities if there's entrepreneurs out there to align with this stuff, we're changing the customer's mind. They're going to be demanding things that are different and there are opportunities to jump in there. So just real quick, would you name drop a couple? I'm sure like me, they're all your babies, but podcast guests that you think are most impactful or more off the radar. Do you have a couple of names to drop? Well, I mean, I just, uh, I mean, it's cause it's that top of mind kind of, um, Sabine Hazen, I did the podcast with her and Jack, and that was the first time we all connected together and it was really special. And now we're working on a research project together with her lab progenobiome, which she has fully funded herself. And she's also going through a ton right now being censored and having her papers redacted by, uh, people who are basically trying to hide the results that she's finding with the COVID jabs. And she found that the COVID jobs are harming bifidobacteria in the gut, depleting them and setting the gut up for more inflammation and more permeability and lots of issues in that department. She's a microbiome researcher. So this is her area of focus. And we're doing some collateral, collaborative projects, looking at the interaction between light and the microbiome. And so really, really excited to see how that plays out. I've had lots of, you know, incredible guests on my podcast. Basically everybody that I have on is somebody that I very much respect, um, and appreciate their work and I've incorporated into my life in some way. I mentioned Tom Seeger was the first guest. He's like a cold exposure expert. Uh, Jack has been on many times. Obviously he is the primary lighthouse for my work and like my personal development as well. But yeah, I don't know. Was there anybody in, in mind in particular that you wanted me to highlight? Uh, well, not really. I know we can't let this go on forever, but there was the guy I got him. His name is in my notes somewhere, but I take so many notes. It's hard to find things on the fly, but what do you think? Remember what he does? Well, yeah. Uh, you know, I know that you like Bernice Eddie and I know that whole story. Cause I had Ed Haslam on the doctors, Mary's Dr. Mary's monkey story. Oh, Andrew Marino. There you go. Well, I'm, I'm curious the guy is, is he the one who thinks that, or seems to have found SV 40 virus in the COVID jab? Cause you've had him on the podcast. Oh, Kevin McKernan. There you go. Kevin McKernan. Do you think that that's obviously something that you put stock in that there seems to be findable detectable SV 40 virus in the COVID jab? Uh, so it's not the virus. It's specifically the promoter, which is one of the worst parts of the virus. So it's still a problem. Um, and that's been further validated by even centralized scientists. So it is absolutely 100% in there. It's in the Pfizer jab in particular. Um, he's also found a ton of DNA plasmid contamination in both Moderna and Pfizer. Pfizer was worth worse than Moderna. And the problem with the plasmid contamination is that if this DNA makes it into cells, which is made more possible by the presence of the lipid nanoparticles, it can intercalate into the nuclear DNA and can cause cancer in that way. So actually what Kevin is working on now is looking at turbo cancers from around the world, sequencing them and finding SV 40 and or DNA plasmid contamination insertions into the DNA of these cancer cells. So in labs across the world, in Germany, in the U S like he's, this is a developing story, but he's been finding some very, uh, alarming things. Yeah. And he actually initially worked on the human genome project. He's like a very, very, very credible dude. He runs his own lab now, but in actually in the weed industry, he does cannabis sequencing and also, uh, celostomy mushroom sequencing as well. And they're building a repository on the blockchain of like the sequences of the different plants. But he did work on the human genome project back when it was first, you know, a thing working with the most credible scientists of that time who were like, you know, top tier. So like he has incredible training. And so, yeah, whatever, whatever he's finding, this is like hardcore stuff. That's like very verifiable. Interesting. Yes. He's high on my guest pursuit list because he has both components, the marijuana stuff, uh, which is near and dear to my heart. And then also the conspiratorial, what was in the jab thing. I mean, it's just a perfect recipe for me, but yes, check out your podcast. I would tell everybody to do so lots of great guests. I will include your links in the show notes. You got the Instagram where you're very active and the website itself where you have courses like the one you mentioned. You also have one about detoxing from COVID slash the jab, but the science silenced is the one I'm definitely going to be paying attention to. Uh, any other links or anything to leave people with before we say goodbye? Um, so you mentioned my ebook. That's like a really good place for people to start. If they're brand new to all of this, it outlines everything in like, you know, the baby basics, but in a way that is very comprehensive with also like recommended products and services at the end as well, that kind of can help support you in, uh, these lifestyle changes. Um, I've even had like middle schoolers do book reports on this book that I wrote this ebook. So it's digestible for everybody, whether you're like 12 years old or 82 years old, you're going to be able to assimilate the information and be able to, um, use it to create actionable changes in your life and then support your health and your cognition and ability to think and all these things. So I definitely recommend that. Um, and for people who want more in depth, um, knowledge about like the science behind these, uh, topics, I would recommend my course bootcamp reboot, which also provides access to the ebook. So if you know, you're going to want the ebook and the more in depth thing, I would just recommend getting the bootcamp reboot because then you get access to both. Um, and that was six lessons, four guest lectures and a Q and a, um, it's all self-guided now because we wrapped up, but very comprehensive and everything from like light and circadian biology, quantum biology, um, exercise and exercise programming and how to get the most out of your, your fitness routines, diet and like seasonal eating and deuterium biology and all of these different things we got into and gut health and microbiome, lots of different things. Um, so that's a very comprehensive course that I'd recommend for anybody who wants to kind of dive deeper down the rabbit hole. Um, and yeah, I guess that's, that's mostly it for now. I'm also working on an actual book now, the proposal at least. So hopefully that will be, uh, actualized in the next year or year and a half or so. So people can stay tuned for that. Heck yeah. Well, I really appreciate your time. You jammed four hours worth of information into a two hour podcast. It's a beautiful thing. And like you and Jack have said, we have a real economic technocratic world war three shit storm headed towards our way. And a lot of people would say, Oh, you should do shows on that. Well, what are you going to do about that? What you can do something about is preparing yourself to be optimized, to deal with as many challenges as you might have independently outside of the system. So I think, uh, in a way this is way more important, but it's been a pleasure. I hope we broke the spell for some people. You are amazing. Take care and keep up the good work. Thank you so much for having me. Yes, people, Dr. Alexis Cowan, you can't say she isn't educated on the topic, right? This really just kind of came out of me loving Dr. Jack Cruz's work so much and wanting to have on another one of his proteges, similar to Jackie Jolie, who really broke us in initially and did a great job right off the bat. You can see, I'm still messing around with the home setup, trying to get it dialed in. I don't know why it's so hard for me to find the right distance from the camera to make myself feel like I'm not in an awkward position and all this stuff, you know, 99 problems, but the show must go on. So I didn't even really have to ask much going into this. You know, I really did want to know about the various parts of the light spectrum and, you know, the known light spectrum and just pointing out the cascade of positive effects. And that took a good chunk of the show as it should. We're trying to go up against a very aggressive campaign of propaganda and a psyop that has captured a ton of people. Think about everyone, you know, who really does think the sun is probably the most deadly thing in their lives, or at least the attention that they give to it. The attention they give to avoiding it is greater than the attention. A lot of people put into diet, or as I said in the show, avoiding the phone. So to just say, tell us what you know about all the health benefits of all the various parts of the light spectrum. Yeah, I guess it took 40 minutes to get through, but that's because there is a lot there and she knows the material well. So I got no complaints. A typical question that I get when people hear what I do is what's your favorite conspiracy? You know, this is what I was thinking driving home from this interview. It is an oddly worded question because there aren't exactly a lot of favorite conspiracies. These aren't, these aren't really positive things. So I wouldn't call them favorites, but I get what they mean. What's the most provocative? What's the furthest out least talked about mind blowing. I never thought of that sort of thing. And to me, there are really two the prohibition thing. I love the take that prohibition was never about consumption, that it was always about alcohol as a fuel that anyone can make with a simple alcohol still and their kitchen scraps. Can't make oil the same way. So clearly they wanted that monopoly. And then you just also segue that into the weed conversation and the hemp conversation and the argument that that was also a fuel, but also a textile application. And those applications are so vast and anyone can grow a huge crop in three months that it has the same mindset behind it, taking the power away from the people in terms of providing their own energy production and masking it all under laws about keeping us safe from the bad stuff and the consumption of it when they approved aspartame. So it's not really about our health, right? And the proof is that they could have kept hemp, the male part of the plant, excluded from the law if it was just about consumption, but no. Anyway, that is a fun loop I like to go through when people ask because they expect something like 9-11, but instead you see the wheels turning about something that they've taken for granted for a long time that has drastically altered the course of this society and really hooked everybody up to a wealth extracting machine. And it's not so fun, is it? What's your favorite conspiracy? What, aliens are living among us? They probably are, but they haven't fucked you like the robber baron industrialists did. Anyway, all that just to say that my new favorite to cite is light. It certainly isn't expected and it hits people right in that same spot that this seemingly mundane manipulation has had profound effects on every person you know and suppressing that information has sent probably millions of people into a premature death. And you most likely don't even have enough control over your life to take this new information and make a proper adjustment, right? That's another factor because it really is three things, not getting enough pure unfiltered sunlight, sitting under too much artificial light inside and staring at your screens too much. I think it makes sense to break up the last two because we can look at our phone less. Sure, do that. Not only is the software manipulative, but so many people think they're smarter than that, but you can't avoid the light from it. So there's nothing you can do there really. Unless you want to wear those goofy sunglasses all the time. But even if your job isn't sitting in front of a computer, it's most likely inside under artificial light. So good luck. This is tough to make it actionable, but I think that just going through the motions in one's head helps people to realize how little control they have. And maybe that jumpstart some kind of change in their life. I don't know. But if this was intentional, even if it was kind of found out somewhere along the way and just tweaked every so often towards our disadvantage, the implications are bigger than anything else. And I like that she folds in the legislation along the way. Obama signing that thing to make all the analog TVs forced into digital. Like that is a component of this CRT TVs put out different light than the digital screens, but the blue light from screens being specifically chosen for the desired effect. To me, that's not even in question. It logics out pretty perfectly. It's exactly what MK ultra was doing. Every tech company from computer makers to big tech seems to be a CIA front or at least a partner. So this is the framing that we all expect around digital technology, the internet, the software, social media, the data collection, and every other aspect that's talked to death. But it's very rare to hear about the blue light and the actual hardware involved being engineered in the same way. And the story of the casinos and the manipulation of the bulls and bull fighting. To Dr. Jack actually knowing the ex-wife of one of the biggest names in tech and knowing without a doubt what these patents are about and how they were distributed. To me, it's kind of like the tech industries, Dr. Mary's monkey kind of story and the most consequential conspiracy of our day because of how much screen use everyone is engaged in. But I know the sunlight being good and even an essential nutrient is going to be a harder pill to swallow. People are so convinced the sun is dangerous that it's triggering. In fact, I barely ever comment on Reddit. You can see my account. Unless I'm thanking someone or talking to a listener specifically, it's probably less than a comment a year. But this material was fresh in my mind the other day and I saw a thread on the conspiracy sub where someone was trying to make the case that the Jews do not have this historical claim to Israel because modern skin cancer rates among them are the highest in the world or something like that, or at least the region, right? And so I commented, well, all of this data works on the assumption that more sunlight equals more skin cancer and that might not be exactly right. And a New Zealander chimed in to talk about the hole in the ozone over New Zealand and how high their cancer rates are because they get more UV light than anyone. And another guy says that if it were artificial lights and blue light, why do only white people in these areas get more skin cancer? I don't know. There's definitely probably something to adaption and being where your skin is genetically linked to the light of the area, but it's easy to craft data for any conclusion. I can't trust much other than my gut. This feels right to me. I'm sure that if you want to look through peer-reviewed papers and a bunch of data, you can find stuff that says the COVID jab was a good thing and we're all going to be dead in two years from climate change. So I don't know. I mean, like look at plants, not all species thrive under the same level of sun exposure, but generally speaking in my yard, the healthiest trees and plants are the ones getting full sun. They don't move. They're not getting out of there. Light is life and all that as Jackie would say. So I've read several books that break down the studies also on fluorescent bulbs and artificial indoor light. And it's pretty clearly health affecting to some degree, but it's easier to believe that it isn't because again, we have these indoor jobs and we can't really do much about it. And so let's not talk about it or look at it, which also is an interesting point because on that power of belief level, maybe that is the move, you know, Kelly Brogan and Joe Dispenza and Bruce Lipton would probably tell me I'm better off convincing myself that blue light is the best medicine there is if I'm not going to change my habits. I don't know. Why do we do anything, right? Just wish yourself healthy, I guess. But either way, going through the light spectrum and its range of cascading health benefits took almost three quarters of the free show, I had to jam in the blue light stuff because that is the true conspiracy. And that was really all we had time for. In the second hour, we talked more about protocols for repairing the dopamine systems that have been damaged from the blue light, the importance of omega-3 sources, sunlight and melanin production, the medical systems limitations, mitochondrial health and disease, sun exposure and skin cancer myths, the flaws in modern medicine, returning to nature for health, decentralization of the medical system and personal responsibility. And we also talked about that notion of electrons and health or electrons as our energy. You know, you can get them from grounding, going to the beach is good, water, easy water, charged water. I like that premise. We are electrical beings. And it's just a little more esoteric way to think about health is that you're really just trying to keep your amperage up. I don't know. I like it. We also talked about kind of the ancient wisdom and the crossroads between that and modern science, all good stuff. You know, I really got to ask some of the deeper stuff in the second hour and I encourage anyone to become a plus member, right? How could I not? And then I cut back before we got into the recommendations for health and wellness and all the products, because I find that stuff interesting and maybe people are motivated to biohack their light life a little bit. I'm not sure. She's very critical of the biohacking terminology and subculture, but there are still products that can nudge us in the right direction. Become a plus member and get the full two hours and support a truly independent platform that doesn't sell airtime to sponsors or donors. Donors who usually just want to promote their businesses anyway. But good show. Amazing topic. I've been light pilled and I find it to be something that doesn't get nearly as much airtime as diet or vaccines or germ theory. So I'm happy to spend some time with someone who is so well educated on it. It's funny that the paleo crowd operates from the philosophy that we should stick to inputs that are most aligned with our ancestors. And then they totally miss the light stuff. I do hope to do this again when her medical system course is done. That sounds fun. I mean, I learned from her about the Robert Maxwell impact on the peer reviewed journal system. Um, that's huge moving on and higher side news. I actually got something quite positive to relay. I have solved the Apple airplay issue and finally gotten my application approved for those who don't know exactly what that means. I have talked about it in a few wrap-ups, but I started this streaming site essentially to stream just my plus show for the TV tier. And then I realized that you can't just build something and have it work because Apple has such a monopoly and such a tight grip on Safari that you've got to apply for a fair play license and all this jazz and dealing with a company like Apple is not fun, but I did it. I stuck with it. I got approved. I got their certificate in place. And now you can use the Safari browser to stream the full plus episodes. It's a beautiful thing. So great. Maybe it's a small thing and only affects a handful of people, but I know there are some who have said, when you get that worked out, I'll flip over to the $12 tier. So, you know, the ball's in your court now. And, um, yeah, outside of that, I can't say there's much more to report. The YouTube is still kind of in shambles. I don't like that being so public. I mean, I did it to myself. You know, I not only had a lot of strikes on YouTube, but then I walked away from it for over a year and it's tough. The algorithm doesn't like that, but I would like to boost those numbers just so it doesn't seem so sad and pathetic when a potential guest might look at that and think that our audience is smaller than it is. Cause that does happen. It's part of the game. So that is the only reason I care about that. And I just don't want it to hurt my options of interviewing who I want to interview because the podcast numbers obviously are way better, but those aren't as obvious to someone. So if you liked this episode or any recent episode, share the YouTube video. Let's get those circulating around a little bit just to boost those numbers. If you don't mind. Anyway, I also mentioned Kelly already, but when it comes to the last show, it's a fair assumption that a show like that, that gets into parenting and relationships is going to get a mixed review. It's not relevant to everyone. And there are some things that might be triggering to some people. Triggering is such an overused word, but they might be reactionary to one thing or another. It's a very delicate thing to talk about male, female dynamics and all this stuff and parent kid dynamics. You know, everyone has their own opinion, but I just thought it was interesting given how far down the rabbit hole she has gone and being one of the disinformation dozen and now being open to questioning heliocentrism and germ theory and all this stuff with that background that she has and being a conspiracy minded person. I think it's interesting to ask her about balancing those views with raising kids and all that because everything is so toxic and every trend tends to be negative for their development. But really, it was also a way for me to get some Joe Dispenza and Tom Cowan content on the air because their stuff is interesting, but they just won't do an interview with me. So I try to find creative ways to at least touch on their work by interviewing their friends and colleagues once in a while. But as for the rating, yeah, 4.3 lower than I like lower than I ever want to see, but I can't understand it. Some thought she was a bit of a man hater. I saw that in the comments, but I don't really get that vibe. I think she rallies against this independent. I don't need a man feminism quite a bit. And she advocates for a solid family unit, even if she didn't exactly live that truth herself. She tries to empower women, right? That is her gig. So it's a balancing act between that strain of feminism and also the codependency that can happen. That whole thing about getting swallowed up in someone else's life or swallowed up in motherhood. And if you're with a person who isn't healthy for you, yeah, it can be really hard to get out of that when you're in deep. So I choose to interpret what she says as just trying to help women be strong enough to know when something isn't right and confident enough to know their worth and choose good partners. So that's all. But 4.3, I hope we can bounce back from that. I don't know. I don't know how people feel about light either. Fingers crossed, but I'm sure people will not hesitate to let me know. So let's take a look at the meetup calendar. That's what we do, right? You want to know where the next ones are happening? Let me tell you. We got something coming up tomorrow on August 9th in Raleigh, North Carolina at the Raleigh Brewing Company. August 16th, Wallace Park in Washington or Wainwright, Alberta, Canada. My bad. Then we got Austin, Texas, the Sour Duck Market on August 17th. Sasquatch vs. Terminator Support Group. Okay. Rewind Video and Dive Bar in North Kansas City, Missouri on August 22nd. And Black Rock City, Nevada on August 27th. So great stuff. Community is key. It's nice to get an energetic recharge from having these conversations with other people who actually live in your area. Friends get made. Eggs get exchanged. Joints get smoked. It's a beautiful thing. Hiresidemeetups.com. But that's another one in the bag. Thank you for enjoying what I try to do around here and for sticking with me on the long road of curiosity and hopefully at least self-improvement if that's all we can really control. But that's another one in the bag. Thanks for enjoying what I try to do around here and for sticking with me on the long road of curiosity and hopefully at least self-improvement if that's really all we can control. I've done my part. Your move, sunlight psyopers, artificial light engineers, and circadian rhythm disruptors. Your fucking move. Mama used to tell us stories about playing outside that thing that we never had to do. They say life is better since they covered the sky and got rid of all that pesky blue. They had no protection from the sun back then. Just scary exposed out there. I hear they fight over what they eat each night. A burden we don't have to bear. Because our factory meat cake comes every month and it always tastes just right. And we never have to get dirty in here. Cause the pot is always white. Imagine the trouble of finding some job to do. Or finding your own home. The implants weren't made yet. They weren't as connected. We sometimes had to be alone. Cause they didn't yet know who. Trust them. Don't care or fame. Back then they. Factory meat cakes didn't come every month. And it almost felt poor. But we sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes.