Free Plus Show: Eric P. Dollard | Tesla Tech, Understanding Aether, & The Digital Demon

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I mean why try to make it something else that is the goal here. So I think everyone wins with this free plus show a month plan. If you want to know why I picked this episode and the date it originally aired I'll add that to the show notes right along with the easy plus sign-up links if you want to start that seven-day free trial. If you want plus through Spotify use the Patreon link otherwise use the main one. Thanks and enjoy. In the 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcasts known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. Well we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire. For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation. I'm Greg Carlwood and these are the Fireside Chats. All right all right people getting the party started from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and for years we've been dissecting the damage done by the power elite for most of human history and speculating over which areas have set us back the most. Is it debt-based central banking which has everyone redlining their lives to make more green paper as they attempt to escape the debt trap inherent to the economic system itself? Is it the suppression of natural medicine and the powerful reality of nutrition-based health and wellness in exchange for petrochemicals and radiation-based solutions yielding these same power pyramid players billions of dollars off the backs of our dead friends and family? Or might it be the quarantine around certain foundational principles of nature that bright minds like Wilhelm Reich, Viktor Schauberger, and Nikola Tesla tried to teach us about? As well as harnessing the abundance all around us which could equalize everyone on the planet's access to electricity, heat, light, and power without discrimination or even the need to invoke the economic system at all? Wherever you might plant your flag it's option three that we're going to be drilling home today. Not only because it upsets the corporate controllers hellbent on sucking from the parasitic power grid but also because the eradication of this esoteric understanding has been a process that started with warping and twisting the fundamental knowledge of the entire natural world in a way in which the damage caused by that mind virus is hard to even calculate. Now in today's world the holistic beauty, entangled elegance, and built-in abundance of our human terrarium seems like wishful fantasy rather than the way things really are. And the positive philosophical and spiritual underpinnings inherent to that understanding are replaced with fear, greed, and a harshness that's all born out of this faulty understanding of the universe itself. Well few people understand the depth of all this like today's returning guest back after four long years, Eric P. Dollard. Eric is an electrical engineer who is a living legend in the field of electrical research. He is considered by many to be the most knowledgeable expert alive today on the true nature of electricity. In his work he shows how all electric phenomena can be mathematically measured and engineered without using calculus or Maxwell's equations. He's also the only person since Tesla's death to successfully build a real magnifying transmitter. He's written too many landmark papers to name and given fascinating conference presentations like four-quadrant representation of electricity, the extra-luminal transmission systems of Tesla and Alex Anderson, the power of the ether as related to music and electricity, musical seismograph and history, and theory and practice of the electrical utility system. It's an honor and a pleasure to have him here again, so let's get into it. The proverbial Tesla 2.0, a true guru of electrical engineering, and a bright mind for our troubled times. Eric, my man, welcome back to The Higher Side. Okay, well, thank you. Yes, this is a real pleasure. I can't believe it's been four years. Big thanks to Aaron Murakami for getting us connected again. I know last time we talked about a lot of your history and background. For people who don't remember, you had a lab at RCA and a long successful career that was sort of taken from you, and as soon as you'd get going again, your work would be destroyed or sabotaged. You'd lived out of the Toyota Corolla for years. It seemed like the sort of rough history I would expect for a person doing this sort of work, and given the people in the past who were pushed out of the circle in similar ways, but it seems like the last four years have been a lot more positive. EPD Labs is going strong. The presentations and demonstrations you give show real functioning equipment, and it seems like a lot of roadblocks have been lifted, and now you're in the pretty advanced stages of a lot of the work you've been doing. Is that fair to say? Are things looking up? Well, yes and no. So there's not really the necessary funding to do a lot of these things, and the problem is there's no one really interested anymore. I have nobody to help me. Traditionally in my history, people that show up to help me actually have the opposite in mind. So what's good is now I have a place to keep my books and my test equipment and work on my cars, and so I can continue at least on the writing end right now, which is kind of what people are most interested in. So presently I'm working on my next presentation, so it isn't a last-minute deal like they usually are where everything gets crammed in the one month with about 2,000 PowerPoint slides distilled down to 800 and et cetera, et cetera. So the presentation I gave on the power grid debacle was an absolute monster put together. It was a five-and-a-half-hour presentation, but I think I got the point across that the entire power grid of this country is being sabotaged by something that I can't definitely put my finger on, but whatever it is, it's malevolent, and it's intent on completely turning our power grid into kind of an electromagnetic terrorist tool. Hmm. Hmm. That is actually, you know, now that you mention it, that's something we talked about a little bit last time, touched on it at least, this idea that the current state of our electrical grid is very shaky, and in fact, a person like yourself who has such knowledge of electrical engineering can clearly see that the grid has been set up to have a vulnerability that is completely unnecessary, that they've gone out of their way to connect it in a way that it would do kind of the most damage. Is that what you're saying? Can you elaborate on that a bit? Yeah. It used to be that the electrical transmission and distribution system was a closed system, so that it wasn't really susceptible to earth currents or EMPs or stray zero-sequence currents or what have you, but now the whole thing is with deliberation and at great expense being turned inside out to be the opposite. It's being turned into a giant antenna. So with my equipment that I have when I travel around, my car basically is kind of like an insect. You know, it looks like an insect with the antennas. It actually senses that way. The fields around it and what have you, with the equipment in the car, I can sense my electric environment, turning it into audio, because I guess I could consider this a more of a conspiratorial form. I will express my conspiracy theory from what I've determined in my car. Digital is a totalitarian fascist reality, and it's attempting to basically just overwhelm everything and pull people into its artificial malevolence. The enemy to that is radio, because radio basically can't be controlled. It uses the natural medium to communicate, and it has an interesting side effect in that it allows us to be in contact with the electrical nature of the planet through the little bits of interference you hear and the way the propagation changes and how it responds to the sunspots and the ionosphere and the Earth's magnetic field. And that's basically one of my main interests in it. So what is being introduced is every time you go to Walmart or whatever and you buy an electrical device, it has a jammer built into it. And this jammer is basically singles out the AM broadcast band so that you can't listen to, you know, your favorite talk show host. It jams out CB radios so that you can't communicate with the other truckers. It causes massive interference to HF communications. There's no legitimate engineering reason why a simple device like a light dimmer has to become a massive World War II style barrage transmitter. So this is what you're plugging into your wall outlets. Now the power grid is being turned inside out. So rather than having closed isolated loops, it's all on a common neutral, which is a massive antenna, which carries this interference. So from the conspiratorial standpoint, what I see going on here is a deliberated effort, most likely by the Chinese to completely wipe out the process of radio broadcasting and communications. Hmm. Wow. And there's no technical or functional reason for making this change. It just seems like maybe the setup for something in the future. Well, you know, like I say, that's the conspiratorial side of it. The other way of looking at it would be the Babylonian element. Nobody understands any of this stuff anymore. And safety, reliability, legalities are all non-existent. So important components that used to exist in various electrical and electronic devices are being left out because they cost money and they add weight. So consequently, you get these nasty transients and other complications. And then they want to eliminate all the transformers from the power supplies. They're using these switching circuits, the Einstein, you know, electron, electronics concepts and all that completely ignore the electric field. So these things are basically just shredding the ether around them so that they can save a buck. And Einstein says that the electric field doesn't exist. So in their mind, it doesn't. So they don't care what they do to it. But it just plays complete havoc with all of my radio equipment. And what this has caused is a massive parasitic current inside the Earth, which is completely wiping out my telluric research. In one location where a lot of effort, time and money was spent in putting up the receiving system, once we connected to the Earth, we found that the parasitic zero sequence or harmonic component traveling inside the Earth was 20 million times stronger than the signal we wanted to receive. You could actually connect a telephone receiver between a 1200 foot spam connecting to a set of eight foot ground rods on each end. And you hook a telephone handset, something that most people probably don't even know what it is anymore. And it's so loud, you couldn't hold it to your ear. Wow. Wow. And you mentioned the Babylonian element. Last time we talked, you had mentioned a sort of neo-pagan cult that was somewhat interfering in your work as much as you could surmise. Is that what you're talking about? Some kind of philosophical difference in how to manage energy and electricity that is derived from some cult-like beliefs? Well, that's another element. And that's kind of more, you know, like on a spiritual level. Mm-hmm. So a lot of the nefarious activities of that element have become kind of quite public lately because they're very deviant people. They seem to derive pleasure on like trashing everything around them and wrecking people's lives. And that's what they live for. And I know that directly because I was at the receiving end of it when these people came in and took over our town, Bolinas. And I was the only one that stood up against them that survived and caused them significant damage. So this is the smiling face that's presently in the public mind is in this whole genre of humans is Hillary Clinton or this Epstein guy would be an example. These people are sickos that, you know, I'm not qualified to get into the depth of. So presently, I'm reading a book called Mass Psychology of Fascism by Wilhelm Reich to help me understand the new fascist age that we're moving into right now, the next totalitarian society, which will not be isolated to the borders. This time it will be global. And this is what is being fought right now by the few people that still have a brain in their head. Well, yes. Amen. And most of the things that they do and where they get it from are all clearly secret. So it is tough to get a real handle on their true motivations, goals, and belief system. But you can definitely see the general shape of something that is not good for humanity. No, it's a parasite to humanity. It's like having a tick in your neck the size of a football. Yes, indeed it is. So the stuff you're doing is just really amazing. And I guess to try to undo some of the damage of the school system and maybe get people's mental wheels turning a little bit, we could maybe touch on electrical engineering history and where things went wrong. I pulled a short section from your paper, Revival of the Science of Electricity in the Digital Age, where you say, the foundations of electrical science were derived from the experimental researches of Michael Faraday and their mathematical development by Clark Maxwell. This became known as the Faraday-Maxwell theory of electricity. Essential to the Faraday-Maxwell concept is the existence of a fundamental electric medium or ether, which fills all space and permeates all matter. Regardless of the fruitfulness of this idea of the ether and its tubes of electric induction, it was later forcibly driven from electrical theory and replaced with a false idol, the electron, and its sacred companion, Einstein-Minkowski relativity. And that's definitely the story in a nutshell, but I'm kind of in awe that this corporate academic cabal could suppress this holistic understanding once it was already out there. Can you elaborate on that part of the story and where we took this negative 180? Well, it's a little bit at a time. It's always done by attrition. So a stage at a time, you know, false concepts were introduced and just like with anything else, just like what happened with the food, you know, a little bit at a time. For example, you know, I basically live on fruits and vegetables. And for me, fruit juice is a very important part of my daily life. It used to be you go to the liquor store gas station and you get a quart bottle of grapefruit juice. Well, all of a sudden there is no more grapefruit juice. Okay, well, now I get apple juice. Well, now there's no more apple juice. There's no more orange juice. There's no more fruit juice. But there's row after row after row of cans and bottles of chemical formulations that even though I have a good background in chemistry, I can hardly understand what's in them. Hmm. Yes, I've noticed that too. There's nothing I can drink in a 7-Eleven. No, there won't be at some point. The general aim is there won't be any of this stuff available anymore. People be living on these chemicals. And that's part of the reason why they're getting so ugly and nasty. Hmm. So, you know, there was a time when people had a better understanding of the holistic world and the role of electricity in it and the role of the ether. And then we have this incremental change where they do this complete 180 flip. And now that stuff is so foreign to the mainstream. But I think this audience is a bit familiar with ether physics, the electric universe model, Velikovsky, Reich, Schauburger, and of course, Tesla, these people and subjects that have all had a piece of the elephant. But if people were just to clear their minds of the erroneous paradigm we have today, and you were to explain the fundamentals of our system or environment like we were five years old, how would you set us straight when it comes to understanding this electric medium or the ether and its role in the natural world? Well, it's not something you can say in one sentence. Fair. I know it's a little complicated. Yeah. So basically, that's what my writing has been about, is to try to systematically clarify these things through the complete redevelopment of the theory of electricity right from square one. So the concepts that are presently being implemented, you just have to reject all those things, the electron and all this type of stuff, relativity, the speed of light. All these things are ultimately meaningless. So everything has to be redefined. And since I started when I was destitute in Owens Valley, I had nothing else to do. So I decided, okay, this was the point in which I was going to, deep in the bushes, rewrite the entire book on Electricity. And that started with this thing now that's known as the Lone Pine Writings. So presently, I'm kind of taking that to the next level for my next presentation. I've written thousands and thousands of pages of material, but there's basically, there's no money and there's no help to process any of this stuff. So basically, right now, I'm in a dead horse farms situation. Hmm. There just simply is no interest in any of this stuff anymore on a supportive level. None, not one dime's worth. Other than, you know, I get random donations, which basically, you know, pays the utility bills. I'm not saying, you know, that I'm not getting some kind of help with this, but the days of the Josh Reynolds and all that, you know, that, that give you, you know, financing and $25,000 hunks in a day where, you know, I could still get tubes and transistors and there was still, you know, a basic surplus industry and several other people my age to work with me. That's all gone. I'm completely isolated. I might as well be on Mars. Right. It seems like the current operation is more bootstrapped based off the generous donations of inquisitive individuals rather than the big systemic, massive funding that goes into other projects or any kind of corporate situation. It's because I guess they've realized that this stuff is actually going to be upsetting to their financial apple cart. And so suppression is the way. And so the only people who are going to fund it are individuals who have altruistic motives and seeing that paradigm flipped again. Yeah. But that species no longer exists. That's the problem. It is very sad. And I definitely am impressed with all the material you've put out. Aaron has just flooded me with all kinds of stuff that I've tried to wrap my head around. But again, I've been kind of conditioned from living in this system as we all have. So it's hard to really reverse that damage and conceive of things freshly. But this electric ether, apparently it's everywhere. I guess, is it fair to say it's the medium in which all matter, matter of all kinds, planets, people, everything kind of emerges from? Yeah. It's the primordial medium. That makes sense. So this is what Wilhelm Reich gets into with his orgone. So because he speaks in a more common language, it's kind of, it would be easier to understand his concepts than, you know, to go dive into some, you know, mathematical symbolisms or all that. But this primordial medium, you know, keeps presenting itself. But the academia people, they're often, they're over. This is the thing that I'm going through with the seismic deal, which basically has gone dead horse farms. Let's take, for example, you know, I built a system. It was worth about $1.5 million in the Mojave Desert. And then it was embezzled. And there was absolutely no interest whatsoever in paying the ransom. And that station was destroyed, even though the Marine Corps and the county and everybody was interested in it. When this other element comes in, there's nothing you can do to fight these people. They're everywhere. They have infinite power. They basically have control of all the intelligence agencies, the law enforcement agencies. Now, after they successfully destroyed the bell system, now they have a communication system where they can alter things and make you think that somebody's saying something they're not, or, you know, suppress you or, or what have you. So, so at any rate, I know people that work in the government realm who know other people that have really pushed this electric seismology stuff to the point that it's on an engineering level. And there's, you know, utility companies that are interested in taking this thing on an engineering level. But the problem is, is because these people are academics, they're not interested. It's a threat to them. They just simply want more money for more funding to do more experiments. And if you actually try to get them to help you, you know, become on the, like an advisor or, you know, to, to help, you know, with interacting with a specific utility company to point out, yes, indeed, there's experimental verification. You know, they got their PhD, they work in government laboratories. They're not interested. It's a, it's a dead horse. I'm sick of whipping it. It won't move. Well, it seems like if people were to understand there's a relationship between electro frequency and seismic activity and earthquakes, I mean, that could lead to this understanding that they want to quarantine. Yeah. Well, basically the whole Einsteinian philosophy despises electricity, absolutely despises it. So as soon as you try to introduce anything electrical into a realm such as seismology, you are in trouble. So for, for example, there was a successful seismic forecasting system built in Greece. It's called the VAM system. There's a book that came out recently on it. And I got in this, in my, I gave a 90 minute presentation in this Aaron's last conference. So that basically, you know, kind of quantified what's going on here. So this VAM system, the VAM is the initials of the three people that developed the system. It's a, a physics minded system. It's not really electrically engineered or what have you. It's just, they drove ground rods into the dirt until they found the spot that was electrically active. And then they connected two ground rods together through a length of long distance telephone line, very similar to what I'm doing. And then put galvanometers into this loop, you know, of the earth and the wire. And the precursors were impossible to ignore, absolutely impossible to ignore. They, they set up a network. They were able with over 99% accuracy to determine the magnitude and the location. And then the, and these were academics and the powers to be in Greece got their phone lines pulled down and got their power turned off. And, and even though they achieved world fame and we're right there, you know, and in the list of all the critical references with the scientists that I had mentioned, the government scientists that I know, the whole thing just withered up and blew away in the wind. Tale as old as time. And the United States geological survey, if you're into this stuff can be regarded as a terrorist organization. They will do everything in their power to make monkeys out of the scientists that are developing this stuff. So now I won't mention their names, but you know, I've, I've talked to them personally, they've been raked over the coals so much that they won't talk about it anymore. You know, they're all pouty about it. They don't have a person on it like me, which is an immediate show of teeth. They just run and, you know, stick their tail between their legs and whimper rather than getting angry and hostile and disruptive. So, so basically it all, all ends there. You know, then I'm told that the USGS will actually come in and destroy their instruments and it's war. It's basically warfare. It's a war against electricity. Man. And I was lucky enough to see that seismic presentation on the system that you built and it's a bit over my head, but you're definitely getting some readings and these frequencies do seem to change right before an earthquake. I guess for the people listening, can you tell us a bit about what data you're pulling from and the real mechanism behind earthquakes? Where are these readings that you're getting actually coming from? What's the catalyst for them? Well, basically what happens is an electrical stress situation builds up along with the mechanical stress situation. And then there's a certain critical level where the electrical stress and the mechanical stress start to interact in a feedback, a positive feedback runaway. And then you start getting very heavy current flows. And because there's a boundary condition involved, the currents bounce off the boundaries and you start to get very powerful alternating currents. And if you have a type of underground antenna system, such as the Alexanderset antenna, you can receive those currents if you're near enough to the fault and they're very powerful and they're very easy to detect. And then next, these currents start because current is magnetism and magnetism is current and current is mechanical force and magnetism is mechanical force. The thing that the academia and the Einsteiners can't get is there's nothing, there's, you can't say that there's current and there's magnetism and there's force. They're all one thing. So when you got current, that means you got magnetism and it means you got force. So now that starts exerting force on the rocks. Now you start to get very powerful magnetic fields that are also very easy to detect. So out of this last Ridgecrest earthquake, my friend that works in the government installation on his own had been monitoring, they're called magnetometers. And even though these magnetometers were located a few hundred miles away from the point of disruption, they picked up significant distortions in the earth magnetic field. Now, in my situation, I was in my car in Oregon, in the wilderness, free from all the noise, listening to these things. And my AM radio, I have modified so that I can tune to the band below it, which is now pretty much abandoned. That used to be the maritime communications telegraph band. It's blank now. So at sunset, my radio in the car sounded like it was trying to chew its way out of the car. I never heard such crazy sounds. And I knew immediately that there was a telluric event in progress somewhere. It's like a noise storm. And I have determined with absolute certainty, because you know, these earthquakes don't occur all the time. So if there's a long wait in between, and I might not have the instruments, but fortunately, I have this stuff good enough that I can carry around with me is before every major earthquake, 12 hours to 48 hours beforehand, there's a massive noise storm that reflects off the atmosphere. And it's very similar to the noise storm that comes out of a hurricane, except the hurricane noise storms are more of a frying and popping, where the earthquake noise storms are more of an even hiss. So right there is a definite forecasting tool. And because it's a high frequency, medium frequency to high frequency, it's possible to build directive antennas and triangulate these things and pinpoint pretty much where the earthquake is or seismic event, you know, from the more scientific terminology is going to occur. It really doesn't take much more than, you know, a section of old style open wire long distance telephone line to do this stuff. There's nothing high tech, and you plug it into an audio amplifier with a speaker, and you have a filter that, you know, tunes out the Navy signals for the submarines and the other, you know, transmitting that's going on inside the Earth, which tends to interfere with it. There's nothing complicated. There's nothing expensive. The system in Greece was a 15 mile long telephone line, two ground rods, and a galvanometer. That's all that's all that's involved. In that case, they have to find the sensitive spots. But because I'm using the electrodynamic method, which is based on kind of a radiation, I don't have to find a sensitive spot because it's, it's emanating out of the ground everywhere electromagnetically, for the lack of a better word, rather than conductively. So it's not like, I don't know if there's probably no one alive anymore that remembers the old glena crystal, crystal radio sets where you used to have this little thing, this little piece of piano wire, you would poke around on this little lump of lead sulfate until you found one little crystal that all of a sudden, then all the radio stations would come pouring out of the headphone. The van system was like that. It had to look for the sensitive spot where the system that I've been developing and other people like the scientists that I have mentioned have been experimenting with is more of a radio type of thing. So it's all, it's all engineerable, basic engineerable. Every utility company could have one of these things. There wouldn't be in that case, you know, you wouldn't have to be alerting the public and causing a panic and all these types of things because basically it's the, the utility systems are the ones, you know, the fires and what have you and all that type, mainly the gas companies would be the most interested. But the problem is, is this digital totalitarianism is working its way into every aspect of our society. And because these people's brains are turned inside out, they fight it and we really have reached a hopeless situation. So basically I've declared the seismic forecasting a dead horse and have no more interest in it whatsoever. There's no, there's no point. I've beaten a dead horse too long. Nobody's interested. So what I did, I've taken an alternate approach, entertainment. People want to be entertained. True. So what I'm going to do is I have a basic seismic sensing system in a mine that has very sophisticated transducers. And I designed an amplifier to go with it that has basically 1 million, million times amplification. And then that goes into a double sideband modulator. It's an XYZ coordinate system as far as, as the earth motion goes in the mind. And then that will be converted into tones, musical tones that the mind can, you know, grasp a basic musical triad. It's called like CEG would be one or FAC. I'm going to use FAC. And basically it, the inside of the earth will be turned into wind chimes. And this thing will be so sensitive that the, the rocking of the earth and it's kind of twisting and, you know, because it's not a smooth motion through space because the earth is somewhat discontinuous and there's electric fields and solar flares and what have you. The earth is in a, as, as I showed in the Landers insulation on the scope, the surface of the earth is like the surface of the ocean. There's waves all the time. So basically you can put on the stereo headphones and actually experience on an audio level of being inside the earth and perceiving all of these very, you know, small, but significant in that they encompass the physical dimensions of the earth. It's kind of a new type of stereo, earth stereo. So right now my total concentration is on earth stereo and also listening to the impulses and the noise storms and that kind of stuff, like I had mentioned, these, you know, whistlers and auroral choruses and all these type of natural sounds that is fundable. So that is the direction I'm going right now. Right on, right on. Yes. I think that would be very entertaining. And I appreciate the background on this electrodynamic seismic forecasting because you don't hear about much anymore, but people used to be all up in arms about the HAARP antenna array. And the speculation was that it could cause earthquakes. And that's a technology that seems very adjacent and in this kind of area. Well, I got to make a correction on that. That whole HAARP thing is just a big... Nothing burger? It's a conspiracy. There's nothing to any of that at all. All of that stuff is... A lot of that was cooked up by a government disinformation officer named Tom Bearden and his cohorts, which really worked to introduce a lot of harm into the understanding of all this stuff. And very successfully led everybody on the wrong path with this free energy and what have you. They're very, very destructive people. They really, right at the onset, when it was looking good, they came in and just twisted the whole thing upside down. Basically, the HAARP is an ionospheric research tool. And I pick it up on my radio equipment. If there's nothing going on in the sun, like right now, the sun has gone dead. There's no more solar cycle, which is going to have profound implications for human life on Earth. Socially, all humans just become barbarians, like in the dark age. And I don't think there's any shortage of evidence to that. And then the weather gets cold, the climate changes, radio, long distance radio propagation dries up. It'll have all kinds of, you know, biological effects and what have you. Wow. How long do you think it would take for those effects to fully roll out and to peak? I think the people that are in the know on that are looking at about a 10 year period. Shit. People will be begging for global warming. It's going to get really cold. And humans are just going to turn into animals. Wow. They'll have no interest in anything. And on top of that, this digital disruption, you know, of the human psyche and what have you is, the situation is terminal. Wow. Well, that's depressing. But to return to entertaining aspects of this work you're doing, I like the idea of making music out of the Earth. Another thing that this kind of relates to is, apparently, seismic readings seem to indicate that when you get down into the Earth that it is more hollow than it is solid. Is that the case that you're deriving from these readings? Not my own, but from other people's. It is kind of strange. The frequencies that I'm getting are octaves above what the academia's would say would be possible for a solid Earth. There seems to be some kind of boundary condition that's creating in the very low frequency to the ultra low frequency band. It's kind of hard. You know, it's like, well, what's inside the sun? We'll never know what's inside the sun. What's inside the Earth? We will never know either. But just from the basic principles of physical dynamics, the Earth would have to be hollow. The whole thing about, you know, the gravity force getting greater and greater as it goes to the center, well, that kind of sounds good. But if you try to map the fields out and the stresses, it doesn't work out like that. It's an impossibility. It means that the intensity of the force would be infinite at the central singularity point, which is an absurdity. So there has to be a kind of an equilibrium point at some distance from the surface to the center of the Earth along that radius where the forces would turn backwards and go outwards rather than inwards. Hmm. See, that's really interesting. I'm fascinated by that concept. A lot of people talk about the prospect of an inner sun, so to speak. And that seems so wild. But a lot of other people have expressed it to me as you have the sun and the inner sun as the two kind of poles. And they are creating fields that would be, like you say, kind of more, there would be an equilibrium along the crust. They would both be pushing towards the crust. I mean, is that the concept that you entertain? Well, you got that coming from the outside in and you have what's coming from the inside out. So to me, it would be natural there would be some kind of, for the lack of better the word, you know, energy zone in the center radiating outwards. And from the mechanical standpoint, you know, if a smaller mass is attracted to a larger mass and you have, you know, an object inside the Earth and then there's a backwards mountain on the inside surface of the Earth, it would be attracted towards that. So it can't just keep getting greater and greater and greater as you get to the center because the center of mass from the attraction standpoint would be towards the outside. Now, of course, that operates in conflict with the inverse square law, but I'm not a strong believer in the inverse square law. There could be something else going on here. Plus, there's fields and fluxes that we don't even know about involved in this situation. And so nobody can say with any absolution what exactly is going on here. I tend to approach things from, you know, from a more common sense, you know, what have I learned as an engineer approach? Well, there are all these science articles coming out that talk about mountain ranges under the Earth, oceans under the Earth. And that's super fascinating. I mean, there seems to be a lot more unexplored territory than we even realize. I don't know why we would think that only the 0.001% of the outside surface is the only thing that's important on a body this large. Yeah, it's a complicated situation. You have all these currents and stresses and and that that's what I've been getting after, you know, with my my long distance telephone lines, the long line efforts is to build a radio telescope to listen to the inside of the Earth. That that has been my fundamental objective since I first discovered this stuff in my Landers facility. Wow. And listening to the inside of the Earth is very compelling. But how far do you think we'd have to either drill down or x-ray the Earth to kind of prove that it's hollow inside? How far down past the crust would we have to get to really like wake people up to the fact that the model is wrong? Well, it can't it can't be done mechanically. You know, you only only can drill down so deep, right? I think eight miles is the furthest so far. Yeah. And allegedly, you know, they're going off of, you know, reflection and refraction, the proverbial day. I prefer to call it it. If you change the day to it, you get a much better understanding of what's going on. I encourage everybody to experiment and and can and talk to their friends and resist saying they and start saying it. It will clarify everything. You'll see exactly what's happening here. Hmm. I'm more interested, you know, in the audio and radio frequency aspect of it. So basically, all I need is is borings down 100 feet and a row of them connected to this transmission system that I developed out of the Alex Anderson design and have a network of them for, you know, directive receiving. And that way, then I can pinpoint the electrical activity. Hmm. If there was a network of these things all over the planet, you know, it's hard to say you could never really, you know, being a science, you you can't say what's going to happen until you do it. You have to do the experiments, right? That now there are no more experiments. There's, you know, bogus equations are cooked up. And then you try to find a physical force fit. And that's not even necessary anymore. So it's like Tesla said, they wander through equation to equation, and they've lost all contact with reality. Hmm. It's what it is. It's a religion. It's a mystic religion. And it's in tune with the whole philosophy that goes along, you know, with digital totalitarianism. Right now, we're just like Germany was in 1933. We are going to move into a totalitarian age that is going to be the most frightening that the human species has ever conceived. And no one will be able to think and they want to be able to do any of this stuff anymore. And that's why I'm living in dead horse farms. My world's dead and gone. If I try to get money for something, it's just, they just want to pull it off, you know, into some other avenue that is completely inimical to the direction that I'm trying to go on. There's nothing you can do. It's digital. Well, it's interesting that you bring up that period of history and Germany, because it seems like that was the last time period in which these esoteric sciences were really being paid attention to. Well, that was about the end. That would be the end of the year. World War II was kind of a global readjustment program to basically finally bury all this stuff and then get into this, you know, nuclear and chemical. I think you already used that terminology in just our talking here. And Wilhelm Reich, I'm reading his books now on fascism. He calls it the chemical atomic whatever, like cabal. That in the fifties, you could see that that was the case. You know, that's when the food became all synthetic. People became totally unnatural in their, their life. Everything was like sterilized and neurotic, kind of like a worship of death. You know, and Reich was pointing out, you know, that this had to be fought against and the methodologies to do it, which basically mainly started with not screwing your children up. And that revival, the Reiki and concept revival actually came about in the sixties, into the seventies, but the whole thing just turned right around again. So basically the summer of love turned into the winter of hate. Hmm. Hmm. Man. And yeah, this it is so pervasive. I mean, it's basically a death cult. Like you say, I guess, do you have any idea what really drives it or motivates it? Just destruction? Is it some kind of spiritual entity that's actually influencing the human powers that be? Well, Reich refers to it as the emotional plague. And, and Reich points out over and over again in his book on fascism, that, that you can't blame the charismatic or tyrannical leaders, the masses want fascism. Hmm. And he uses the collapse of the Soviet revolution and the introduction of the primordial Marxist communism and how the whole thing turned into totalitarian regime, which was totally out of touch with the original concept, because that's the world that people like to live in. Hmm. And it focused, it focuses, you know, intensely on as, as he repeatedly points out is reactionary versus revolutionary behavior so that you can't really make an improvement. It's, it's always reactive like this whole political quagmire now, right? You know, one side reacts against the other. And then the key tool, the fuel that starts, that feeds the fire of fascism and totalitarianism is the introduction of racial hate. And we don't have any shortage of that now, do we? No, we definitely don't. How many times, how many times do you hear that word when you turn on the radio or the TV? It's constant. Constant. So here we are right back to the same old thing. And we'll have a new Hitler, or, but it will probably be a digital artificial malevolence. Yeah, it is. It's a demon. It keeps people angry all the time. Every time I see somebody sitting in front of that stinking computer, they're always angry. It's a fight. It's a constant fight. And it's going to get worse and worse and worse as, as these queaks finally develop their, what they call their singularity. That's their, their final goal. Hmm. Well, this gets really into something that I wanted to ask you about in terms of the relationship between electricity and life. There's a experiment you did with something called the cosmic induction generator. And for people listening, I want to read a bit from the explanation written by, I believe your protege, John Polakowski. Yeah. Polakowski. Polakowski, John Polakowski, where he says one of the most awe-inspiring experiments by Eric Dollar was called the cosmic induction generator or the SIG. So named because the SIG produces intense lines of derelict induction that cause a plasma to form, which takes on the shape and form of a galaxy in space. The aspect that is extraordinary is that the plasma doesn't take on random shapes or motions. It forms a mini universe. Witnesses to the original experiment described the plasma as being alive, conscious, and having a memory. This display of the galaxy was termed the galaxy in a bulb because the plasma formed in a burned out incandescent bulb. This really sounds amazing. And the images are super impressive. I mean, what's happening here? Are you having galaxies emerge inside a light bulb? Exactly. This is your whole electric universe. What was really ironic at the time I was doing this in my RCA lab out in Belenus, I was concurrently reading Wilhelm Reich's cosmic superimposition, where he's showing how two streams, two ether streams, would converge into each other and start this spiral form. And that's how the hurricanes and the galaxies and all these things take shape. That's what makes the Earth rotate. It's what keeps the planets in their spot. There's nothing to do with gravity. We're living in this swirling vortex that carries the planets with it and what have you. And basically, I was using the dielectric lines of force or the Faraday tubes that came out of the Tesla transformers to produce this kind of dual flux flow that converged into the spirals. And that's how I got the galaxy. I only got a complete galaxy once in the beginning. And it was very difficult to get anything of that beauty and form to appear later because there's so many factors involved. And it does have seem to sense what is people are thinking or what have you around it too. So it kind of acts like it's alive. It reminds me of an old Outer Limits episode where they had, you know, some big field generator, you know, and a kind of a chamber and they started to produce a universe in it. And they were fascinated, you know, that they could see the formations of stars and galaxies. And then, then what happened that freaked everybody out is some kind of God or consciousness emerged and came out of the thing and started harassing them and freaked them all out, you know, that that not only had they created what appeared to be a physical universe, but there were lives and deaths and creations and destructions. And it was a real universe with a real spiritual entity that basically attended it. God, this is the most fascinating thing. Of all the work Aaron sent me, it really was this that blew my mind the most. And that's all important context for this last image where John goes on to show, you know, all these pictures that look like these galaxies or this type of plasma discharges that the electric universe folks talk about, just like you mentioned. And then he hit me with this last image and it says, this one is very mysterious. First, notice the organic plasma formation in the bulb, but also notice the quote unquote figure that appears towards the bottom of the picture. Is it an image artifact or is it an entity that decided to appear when living electricity is present? And it does look like a little ghost or figure of light. I mean, what are your thoughts on that? Oh, I don't know. Is that this thing? I don't know. I mean, you know, it could have been anything, but it looks weird. That's one thing. Oh, what's fascinating is, is even after the bulb explodes because of the ether pressure, you know, there's a partial vacuum in it. The bulb's supposed to implode, but it doesn't. It explodes. This formation will maintain its boundary condition and stand there in space with no bulb between the coils for about one second until finally it can't maintain its boundary condition. And we've never had anybody get injured in these experiments until there was a point which I periodically go through on a cyclic basis where everything's going to get destroyed or it's trying to be stalled from me or whatever. So so the women in white got me out of the Integratron. They tried to steal my lab at gunpoint, but we had guns, too. There was some guy that was a research engineer, developmental engineer, independent, making stuff for the car companies or what have you, some kind of engine or something he was working on. And he was going to be our patron and he was going to pay to get the stuff safely moved to Santa Barbara. Well, actually, he had kind of more malevolent intent. It seemed like he wanted to basically, you know, get the stuff and then push us out. So he came by the lab one day to see this bulb phenomenon. And what was inside the bulb didn't like him. And the bulb exploded and threw all the glass at him. And this thing was like floating in space. And we never saw him again. What the hell, man? Well, it's like if you do venture into some of the paranormal fields when it comes to spirits or non-human intelligence, there seems to be an electrical or plasma based relationship of some kind. Some say you draw their attention when you start doing things in this realm, and they might even show up. Some say Tesla interacted with these beings. Do you think there's any truth to that idea of non-human intelligences that are somehow connected to these realms of electricity and plasma? It seems like you might. Well, that's conceivable. But, you know, you have to remember I'm an engineer. I'm not a theologian or, you know, what have you. But the thing is, I do have this voodoo and I don't play with it. I don't want to talk to spirits. It's best to stay away from them and let the voodoo do its own thing. If you try to get in some kind of communications with these so-called disembodied spirits or entities or whatever, I've had friends, I've warned them to, you know, not play with this stuff. And if they do, they end up dead. Jeez, that's a heavy consequence. So it's best to stay away from that. That's interesting that you mentioned the Integratron. Are you talking about George Van Tassel's Integratron that's out here in California? Well, it no longer exists. The women and white basically destroyed the system. But I was the last engineer to work on that. And I had figured out what the first step was. And after I got all of the aberrant forces and materials out of the way, cleaned the place up. Kind of a spooky thing, the way the voodoo worked to to keep me moving forward. People would show up with important information and equipment. And finally, after I got rid of all the bikers and the negative element and the drug people, that was its own level of voodoo to get that out of there without firing a shot. I was left with the Heath kit. There were rolls of wire and rolls of metal and everything was there to finish the first stage of the Integratron. And so I started implementing that. And that's when the women in white arrived and managed to get the place away from us. And they ripped everything out and made it their self-worship temple. And so I moved in to the property of a deranged World War II vet about a thousand feet up the road. And together, we built this installation that you saw in my last earthquake presentation. He died before it was finished, but it was in the will that, that I was to continue on and retain the property. Of course, the Curly Q lawyers got in there and voided the will that helped take the place away from me. And oddly enough, those women in white worked very, very hard to disrupt my work and get me out of, they start fires on the property and then claim that I started them. I had squatters to deal with. They tried to actually commandeer the place away from me once. They were spreading rumors all around town about me, how I was going to burn the Integratron down and kill them. And these are some, but they're so sweet and they're so spiritual. That's the thing about common wheels. It has that golden tongue. Yes. And I've actually considered trying to visit the Integratron. I know, of course, it's been nerfed now and it is all new agey. And it's like, let's sit in a circle and do some singing bowls and hit some gongs and listen to the reverberations. But what do you think the Integratron was like at full functionality? What was its purpose? What could it do? Well, the Integratron is an enigma. So I can't say with any certainty what, you know, where, how, or whatever. It could, the whole thing could have been a dog and pony show, but, but Van Tassel and his, his buddies did get the money to build it. Apparently Howard Hughes was a major contributor to that project. And it's, it's little known that Howard Hughes was kind of another Tesla and was making things that operated in a way that nobody would even dream of. And he was another one of these rogue geniuses. He was a good friend to George Van Tassel. So that provided the funding, I've already given an audio presentation on this, I think about four or five months ago, I don't know what the title is, but in that I got, I get more into the details. You might be able to track down where that's, I think Aaron can give you the, the track to it. So, but allegedly it was a arrangement that was communicated to George Van Tassel and his son-in-law to rejuvenate humans and reset them biologically. So they would live like another lifespan. They basically, their body would be revitalized to the point of their birth. And there was two doors at right angles to each other. And you walked in the one and you walked out of the other through this one quadrant of the integratron and that would rejuvenate you. And that was their claim. They did get this thing built. They had inordinate difficulties with trying to get the electrostatic generator to spin and all these types of things. The engineering was a little beyond their abilities. And then about 10 years into the deal, it kind of just became a space brothers religion, dog and pony show. Nothing was moving and it just, it ground to a halt. Van Tassel died in 78 and I got there in 84. So there was all kinds of aberrant forces, you know, crawling all over the place that I had to eradicate before I could start. I dealt with the whole thing just strictly, you know, on a scientific basis. I didn't have any beliefs. I was brought around to interview the people that were still survivors and get their story on the thing. Most of them, you know, were space brother religion nuts. I wasn't impressed, but I did get little facts here and little facts there, kind of like I did with the Alexanderson system in Bolinas until I felt confident that I knew what the operating principles were. And at that point is when all of a sudden, you know, everything just kind of miraculously appeared. I looked at it from a different standpoint. To me, what I saw was a transporter and there would be two of these things. One would be, let's say, on another planet. One would be on Earth. And if you walked into door A on one, you would walk out of door B on the other. Hmm. Wow. And that kind of fits with the idea that the plans were somewhat communicated by some sort of intelligence that he couldn't identify. I mean, this is the story that I've heard. Well, that's not necessarily. That doesn't prove anything. That just basically says that that's Eric's theory. And there was Van Tassel's, you know, proposal or what have you, that it would do this. I have no factual proof that there were ever any aliens or that any of this stuff came from aliens. This whole thing could have been concocted out of the mind of Howard Hughes as a transporter device, as a side hobby, you know, thing with some nutcases out in the desert that we were good friends to him, you know, and let's pull the same stunt like, you know, the Air Force did out Area 51. Let's make up a UFO story to cover up the whole thing when actually, you know, it's some kind of material communications device or what have you. There's all kinds of possibilities, but we can't say anything with absolution about what the Integratron was intended to do and what it is. At any rate, there's one thing we can say with absolutely certainty. These people have made sure that we will never work again. Yes, there's something very important. And you got to remember now this, these people are commonweal and these are the same people that go everywhere to disrupt my work. So what it is, it's kind of a two-part situation. One is, is the facility that I get, as they say, is just too nice to have somebody like me in there with transformers and capacitors. They'd much rather turn it into their temple. The other thing is, is these people react pathologically to my work and would really like to have me dead. I'm the very thing that they're trying to eradicate from this planet. Wow. Wow. Well, yes, it is sad that we'll never know. And I know you are not a huge fan of rampant speculation, but this idea of it being a transporter, you could see how some other intelligence out there, if they had side A to the technology, they would have to communicate to the place they might want to travel to get side B built in that place. And I think that is kind of a logical possibility. Well, there's another logical possibility, you know, out there in the national security area on the other side of the fence, they want to build something that they can get from Earth to Mars without having to do all this stupid rocket stuff. That's, that's an equally valid possibility. And Howard Hughes, you know, Howard Hughes had his own landing strip out at the so-called Area 51. He had his own building. Geez. Yes, it makes you wonder what they're doing in secret. But I guess with a better understanding of the true paradigm in which we live, the entangled universe, the ether, these things seem a little bit more possible. Anything's possible. Anything is possible. If a group of people get together with the intent to produce or invent something, that will happen. That's just the fundamental principles of creation. The ether allows all possibilities. I did a significant, I think I did an hour long segment of a presentation on music, ether and electricity that dealt exactly with that. The ether is all possibilities. Wow. And on the subject of, you know, music and electricity, I wanted to ask you about this flame speaker. We talked a little bit last time about how you had said electricity and music are pretty much the same thing. And I saw this recent demonstration you gave of this thing called a flame speaker. For the people listening, it looks like an antenna that you're playing classical music through. And at the top of that, you have a flame or what looks like lightning really shooting out of it. It's visually appealing. But can you tell us what this is actually demonstrating? Well, it's demonstrating that you can use a discharge off of a Tesla transformer as a speaker. That was a very, very undeveloped version. The version that I fully developed in my laboratory at Santa Barbara was enough to frighten people. Some people refused, actually refused to believe it even happened. They thought they were being hypnotized. So right now, you know, Aaron and I are kind of, it's a hard project to get this thing back together again. You know, ultimately, I still do not have a laboratory to do things. I got lots of junk that I can take apart and make things. I've got the space, but I don't have any money for a laboratory. So that's kind of slowing things down of where we're going to put this thing together. But there is an intent here. And the materials are all basically available to rebuild this blame speaker thing properly so that, again, it'll become a complete fantastic demonstration or show. Basically, it's an entertainment device. That's what I'm concentrating on right now is more entertainment devices, because that's all the public is really interested in. But again, the digital totalitarianism is gnawing away at that, too, because once the computer is built into your face, you won't be able to experience or see. There will be no reality anymore. So all of this is going away fast. It's going away fast. There will be no more realities. We know none of these things will have any meaning to anybody. So we're at that doorstep now. God. But I think I think a stunning enough display, you know, will maybe get something else built or what have I don't know. It's it's beyond me. But all I know now is, you know, is there's enough parts to start building this thing. There's enough, you know, local interest amongst us here, you know, my organization to do these things. So but it's a big project. I would say it would probably be about two years before it would get revealed because, you know, there's so many other things to do that are more important, like trying to get this musical seismograph together so that that's something that looks like we can get some money for and put that together. And that's the objective quite possibly within a year. It all depends how much money if we can find anybody that's capable of working anymore. That's another problem. You know, finding common things that are no longer available. All of these various impediments. But for the most part, I have all the components. So now it's just mostly a matter of, you know, of facilities construction. So with the superior flame speaker that you had built, what was so off putting to the people who experienced it? It was those like you see in the pictures of my earlier Tesla work at the Integratron, you know, you get those geometric discharges. You know, they kind of look like trees or roots. So you get one of these things that's about three feet long and its shape is is determined by the music. And when there's no music, it disappears. And then you push down on the key and all of a sudden this thing springs out with the musical note and it literally looks alive. Wow. Like an electric cymatics type of thing? Well, it's it's more plant like it has that, you know, that dendric pattern like roots and trees and what have you. But it moves. Yeah, but it moves. It's dynamic. It just doesn't stand still. It's dynamic. It takes the form of the music. There's another thing that I developed. Actually, I started I built my first one out of an old black and white TV when I was in junior high school, something I called the music television. And what you do is you you have a basic processor. That, you know, phasing and amplitude control and what have you take the right and left channel and you put put it into that. And then you have the vertical, the horizontal and the video in the television and you put the signals in there and you get this very this is where the more of the cymatic stuff you're talking about. You get all of these images, these closed loop images. It's a television picture of the music. And I've had incidences again where, you know, people will see this thing in the rack, you know, and I'll put some Bach organ music on or something. And all of a sudden this living thing appears on the screen. And I actually had one woman run in terror out of the room. Wow. So that's that's another thing that I'm trying to get back together because I want it for myself in my rack of equipment that I have my sound system. And what's interesting about this thing is, um, is if you play like Bach or Handel or even later composers, you know, like Beethoven or what have you, you get this beautiful image, but you play this stuff that people listen to now that just like humps and slaps and what have you. There's no image because there's no music. All it is, is a new age Nazi death march thundering away at 110 decibels. You will listen to my motorcycle. You must, man. So this, this television or this visual picture of the music, if we were going to revisit the idea of the seismic music that you're going to create from inside the earth, could you get a visual, could you get visual data from that to see, to map the inside of the earth? Exactly. Wow. You could. Yeah. That would be amazing. Then we truly know what's inside. Well, we'd have a analog of what's inside. Right. Like a shadow. Yeah. Or an x-ray. Yeah. Wow. That's impressive to me. I would definitely love to see that. And with this seismic forecasting, that you're doing, you have the- No more, no more, no more, no more seismic forecasting is a dead horse. That's the wrong term, but what's the proper term for this equipment you have in the mine that's going to be getting the audio? It's called the musical seismograph. Musical seismograph. No, there's, there's one very lengthy presentation. It's actually four presentations in one, you know, that's part of the normal series that Aaron sells that gets into the theory of music. It gets into the amplifier theories. It gets into the whole carrier telephone concept of using frequencies to carry information, the double sideband process, the servo mechanism modulators and amplifiers necessary to, to turn the, the seismic signals into audio signals, but preserve their phase. There's an actual connection to one of the transducers in the mine with the, the limited test equipment that was available that actually shows the earth rocking back and forth, kind of, you can barely hear it, but, but it does indicate that there are these micro micro movements of the earth constantly. And it shows that the earth is kind of swinging one way and then swinging the other way, just within, I think that was 90 decibels of amplification. The system is supposed to have 130 decibels of amplification. So, so that's an all inclusive presentation. And then there was one done recently, which got YouTube squashed it, but I think it's back on. I don't know. Aaron knows the details because I don't have any digital. So I can't, I can't say anything of what is or what ain't other than what people tell me, but there was one that's for free on YouTube or was, I've been told it's back on. That's kind of more of a synopsis of the longer presentation of what the whole musical seismograph project is all about and how it's basically, you know, implemented. Hmm. And with this flame speaker, the fidelity is superior than anything else. Is that right? It can be. There's certain restrictions, but it can be much, much higher fidelity. It's more, it's a system for single instruments rather than a sound reproduction device because there's inherent nonlinearities in the discharge. So, you know, if you had a wide spectrum of musical tones, there would be likely intermodulation, but for single instruments, you know, like a keyboard or something like a flute or a violin, it would, it would, or, you know, guitar, you know, that your standard, you know, guitar music, what is left of that today in the musical world, you know, in the popular music realm, it would be, I'm sure there's some rock star that would give anything to have something like that. If it could be, you know, developed. I bet the entertaining nature of that would be quite profitable for a rock star. Well, it would be more than just profitable. It would make him singular until somebody else figured out how to build it. As of yet, no one has figured out how to do this without it being all distorted. It's, it's a radio engineering project. It's not, you know, a hobbyist type of thing. And, and so you really got to kind of know about modulation and linearities and all that kind of stuff to really make something that works right. And that's, that's beyond today's technicians and what have you, because they don't know these things anymore. And that consequently is why the power grid and everything is just going into a giant, turning into a giant parasitic oscillation because they don't know and they don't care. Understandable. And so if this musical seismograph project is your focus, how far are we from getting that working and turned into visual data, which would be my greatest interest? Is it money? Is it time? What do we need? Well, the money seems to want to present itself, but the complication again rears its head is that we live in a non-functional totalitarian society and to find people to even perform basic tasks in electronic technology of this type is going to be very difficult. So that, that's, what's going to kind of slow it down. But, but it seems like there's people that want to put this together. They're willing a step-by-step to provide the money for each element and to get this thing going. And I would say between 15 and 30 months, it would be on the internet as something that you subscribe to where, you know, you can plug it into your stereo or whatever, and then get the sounds out of the earth, both electrical and, and, you know, the mechanical seismic, uh, the movements. Wow. And what could an individual do with that? It would just be nice to listen to. That's all the intent is. Hmm. And then converting that to visual data. Once you have that set up is actually kind of easy. Am I right? Well, yeah, you have reference tones and then that would operate a seismograph. Amazing. And are we talking hundreds of thousands of dollars, $50,000? About 500,000. 500,000. Yeah. That's, that's no small chunk of change. No. Wow. Well, another thing I wanted to ask you about in kind of in the realm of music or at least AM radio frequency is this section on your website that asks, what if you could get electricity from your local AM radio station, which is a bit of a head scratcher for layman people, I'm sure. But it goes on to explain that a common misconception is that AM radio waves only travel through the air and need to be received from an antenna. But Tesla knew that every AM station is simultaneously transmitting its signal through the ground longitudinally. And that signal does not diminish over distance in the same way. That means that receiving the longitudinal transmission allows you to have much more energy that can be used to power bulbs or other devices right from the ground. And that sounds amazing. Is that true? Yeah. It's been done. I put it out kind of, you know, as a contest and there's people, you know, sent me pictures. They got like little toy motors running and banks of LEDs off of their local radio station. Amazing. Amazing. So it is basically a technology that's in use right now. They just ignore that part of it because it's too bountiful. Well, it's not really in use. But ultimately, you know, the the Earth part and the atmosphere part can't be separated. They all are part of what there's the terminology has kind of become popular again. They're called Zenik waves. It's kind of a surface wave situation. Hmm. So you can either receive electrostatically like used to be done in the car radios, or you can receive electromagnetically, like in the little handheld radios and tabletop radios where there's a little iron rod with wire wrapped around it. Hmm. Or you can receive with a Tesla transformer straight out of the Earth. Right. And I did see some old black and white photos from the documents that Aaron sent me that do show like a tower and then just a light bulb lit up in the dirt. And that's impressive. But it's like I demonstrated this with my Colorado Strings presentation is that when we we hooked the Tesla transformer to the Earth, the AM radio station came in about one million times stronger than it did when the thing wasn't connected to the Earth. And if we had time to prepare and have a decent ground system, I could have put a speaker on one of those Colorado spring models. And you could hear their AM radio station that was tuned to that specific coil or the coil, I should say, was tuned to it. It was 840. And it would drive the speaker with no batteries or power supply whatsoever. And it'd be loud. But it was that would be too hard. At that point, it was too hard to do. But but I did use it, you know, a magnetically coupled portable AM radio to show that that once that thing was Earth, the station that was non receivable, you know, it was down in the mud. All of a sudden, basically, it was to the point, it almost overloaded the AM radio. So that was a valid demonstration of the principle. Now, another another thing, which makes this interesting is let's say, oh, that there's an AM radio station in some state somewhere, and you live in another state. And in this other state, you're too far away, you're 1000 miles away. And without special equipment, nobody can hear the AM radio station. So let's say that you put in a ground system like the ones the AM radio station has 120 14 gauge wires, the diameter of the the ground disk of these wires is one half wavelength. And then you hook the Tesla transformer to it with its, you know, electrostatic mast or whatever, kind of like an antenna, but it's not, not only will you be able to pick up the radio station loud and clear off the Tesla transformer, but all of a sudden, everybody in town will be able to pick up the AM radio station loud and clear. Wow. I've done this before. And so these ground system transmissions as opposed to through the air, that paragraph said that the signal does not diminish over distance in the same way, just as you just told us. But today, people are worried about the frequencies just coming off our phones. Are there risks or dangers in charging the ground like that? That's a whole different wavelength. There's really very little biological interaction there because the wavelengths are disproportionate to the size of the human body where with the microwave stuff, the wavelengths start to become the size of your body or actually start to become the size of your organs or your eyes or whatever. So they can, they can penetrate electromagnetically where when the wavelengths are, you know, 1000 feet long, your body really can't, intercept these things. I used to, when I was in high school, I used to connect myself directly to my 3000 watt transmitter and light up a hundred watt light bulbs, incandescent bulbs off of my watch band. Huh? Wow. I mean, Tesla lit himself up like, you know, he was on fire and nobody knows how he took it to that level. You know, it didn't cause any physical damage to him, even though I think exposing himself to the, um, to his cosmic ray beams might've done significant brain damage. It might've been part of the problem of why he became so senile towards the end of his life. Hmm. I always wondered if that was just the system kind of discrediting him or if there really was some kind of degrading at the end of his life. Well, I mean, you know, we only can know so much. Right. Cause you know, the system you'd expect slander on someone like him. So obviously he wasn't treated very well, but, but Tesla, you know, there's always two sides to the coin and if Tesla would have paid a little more attention to the situation, he would have had all the money he wanted. Hmm. So with the microwaves that you mentioned, it seems like the big it that we talked about earlier has basically weaponized these same mechanisms that could have been used for good. Yeah. Maybe not out of deliberation, but maybe just out of disregard for safety. That's what it is. It's disregard for safety. The, the weaponization is all done on an informational level now, but I can't speak with any absolution on any of that. You know, the microwave hideously, you know, disruptive environment we live in is no good for anybody. And, you know, and maybe that's being done with deliberation to keep people in a state of confusion or sick, or we don't know. Well, we're not, you know, we're not there on the other side of the big chain link fence to know what's going on in those windowless buildings. Right. Right. And obviously I don't want to get too speculative with you, but you mentioned that the sun activity is dead. There looks like a possible timeframe of 10 years before the shit really hits the fan. You also have the digitization of everything. These things are happening kind of parallel. And it does seem like someone in the know is, I don't know, setting, setting up a layered disaster scenario. And I only would ask, do you think this has ever happened in the past? There was people who talk about different rounds of civilization. Well, what's, what's different now is these techno queaks with their twisted technology have created a physical body for the biblical beast. This is something that has never occurred in human history as far as we know. So now it's not they, it's it. Wow. A physical body for the biblical beast. I mean, that is what a lot of occultists or people who study the occult say is the goal for these maniacs and psychopaths. And it's actually been completed already or it's in the process. It's being finalized. Wow. And you think it's through the digital technology? It's in the digital technology. So at some point it will start perpetuating itself and humans will be its servants and with the humans not really knowing what they're doing. So these digital people, you know, we call them queaks. The Silicon Valley crowd and whatever are very twisted individuals. And because we don't live directly with them or what have you, we don't know what goes on behind the doors. But, you know, with this, with Trump, you know, pulling the manhole cover off the sewer pit, you know, and all the little bugs and crawlies and everything are just squirming and whatever under the ultraviolet light of the sun. We're starting to get a better idea of how really weird all of this is and sick and disgusting and twisted. Yes. I mean, Gordy Rhodes, Elon Musk, they've used terms like channeling, like alter, demon. They've used those terms to describe their technology. And I can't understand why. It seems like a very odd terminology for technocrats. Well, let's just take a simple thing. You have Apple, right? Right. We call them crapple. What is the image, the logo of Apple? What is it? It is a bitten apple. What did Eve do? She bit the apple, the forbidden fruit. There you go. There you go. Is that enough to substantiate intent? I would say it's definitely a clue. There you go. I mean, of all the symbols in the world, why would you? And look at the population around you. Everybody's got a shaved head. There's skulls, blades all over everything. They're all deformed. The vehicles they drive look like maggots and slugs and insects. The things are getting bigger and bigger and bigger. They don't fit in parking places anymore. They take up the entire lane of traffic. They got horns on them and lumps. The whole thing's a giant monster. It's in the image of the beast. Wow. I think the most popular image in that whole automobile architecture realm is what I refer to as the Dodge Ram sucker. It's just the epitome of disease and gluttony. And right now, that is America's favorite passenger car. They carry nothing. The architectural image of the body is colon cancer. It has this sucker on the front of it to display the gluttony and aggression. The ram's head, you know, the symbol of satanic worship. And the people inside look just as cute as the metallic body on the outside. It's the exoskeleton of the people inside. Man, and this is all derived from the big it, some negative spiritual force driving where our technology is going. A malevolent force. Mm-hmm. Basically, how would you say, materialized, you know, made into physical form by these individuals that are the technocrats or whatever, the techno-fascists. So basically, they're creating this demonically driven techno-fascistic society that will make Hitler look like a choir boy. Jeez. Well, I would assume there have to be some benevolent forces that could be channeled as well. Conceivably. Well, maybe you need to be making more galaxies and light bulbs because we need some help. I don't know. You know, at my age, I'll be dead before it goes all the way, I hope anyway. Well, maybe, you know, other engineers who are seeming to tap into this stuff can... The only thing that can save us now is divine intervention. It's out of human control. So, remember the story of War of the Worlds? Yes. You know, the Martians come, nothing can stop them, every attempt fails, even the nuclear bomb fails. What stopped them? Not mankind. What stopped them? A virus. Right. Germs. Right. Well, you know, the story of the flood is that man got so corrupted that the environment was so destroyed that it needed a reset. Yeah. I mean, that's the myth. As things got so perverted and what have you, and technologies were forming that were completely, you know, antithetical to nature, that nature said that it was going to hit the stop button. And it did. And eventually that will happen again. You can't fight nature. So this is becoming more and more unnatural. It's becoming, you know, more and more self-destructive and predatory and gluttonous. And it's definitely finite. But I would give it a hundred years to destroy itself. Well, nature already hit the stop button. Apparently, if the sun is dead, it just hasn't reached us yet. Yeah. It hasn't had time to soak in yet. Wow. I mean, this is just like the deepest depths of the rabbit hole, man. I mean, this is blowing my mind. Well, it's my job. Well, it's also just very depressing, but at the same time, I don't know. Oh, yeah. It's quite depressing. Well, so something else interesting that Aaron had said to me when we were talking about all this is about the Schumann Residence. Of course, this is what we're told is the natural frequency of the Earth, 7.83 Hertz. But Aaron said, based off the seismic research and some of the stuff you've done, the Schumann Residence may not be what people think it is because the wave guide between the Earth's surface and the ionosphere is too narrow for the 7.83 Hertz, meaning that it needs a much wider wave guide that looks like it might go from the ionosphere down to the inner Earth. And this is kind of the diagram I've seen before that almost looks like lungs around the outside of the Earth going towards the inside. What do you make of the Schumann Residence? And do you think it it have people been lied to about what it is? Is it is it a clue to something else? I think it's a massive misconception, but I haven't done experiments on those frequencies, so I can't, you know, say anything quantitative about it other than, you know, from the basic boundary condition standpoint, something really doesn't make sense as far as wave guide modes go. My determination was my system worked from 300 cycles per second to 30 kilocycles a second. The natural response frequency of the Earth to lightning strikes and seismic disruptions and what have you seem to be more around 18 kilocycles, which kind of struck me because the frequency of the Alexanderson system in Bolinas was 18.6 kilocycles. But when the Earth gets into a distressed condition tellurically where earthquakes are imminent, that frequency drops down into the voice frequency band. That's part of the forecasting mechanism is once it starts to sound like, you know, people screaming or musical tones or what have you, then the seismic event is imminent. I have no, you know, theory as to why that is or what have you. After talking to these government scientists, I have a bit of a better idea, but without more extensive study, I can't say exactly why this is, but from the wavelength standpoint and the Schumann residents way of looking at things and whatever, anybody would say that 18 kilocycles would be impossible. Because the wavelength of that is so much smaller than the size of the Earth. Right. Man, it just, it seems like the frequencies of the natural system, if harnessed correctly, could be the tools to make a paradise on the Earth. Well, if that was the motivation. Yeah, there's an element in the American Indian culture, what little you can find that's still really American Indian, that I don't want to get too far into it, but that if a certain tone was transmitted into the Earth, quite possibly it could reset situation. That's the theory. We had some visitors while we were working on some lines out in the desert, you know, wanted to know what we were doing and all that. And I explained to them, you know, that these tones out of the Earth and, and the guy's girlfriend was a real Native American, not, you know, somebody that was genetically Native American, but was just a Howley like everybody else. She was a real Indian and she became all fascinated and said, yeah, the Earth tone and, you know, can you transmit the Earth tone into the Earth and what have you? And I go, well, that's not really our objective. We're listening. Maybe, you know, for the submarine communications end or what have you. And then that I had to kind of stop and think at that point, you know, it's kind of another situation like the Integratron where, you know, people show up with some little scrap of information that just, that's it. But I have no intent to steer the course of humanity. That's God's deal. That's not mine. Understood. And, you know, I really had to take a crash course in all this by reading through your 500 plus page theory, calculation, and operation of the Colorado Springs Tesla Transformer. And it was all just super impressive. The idea that this oscillating energy would surge through the Earth to, I guess, every point on the globe would just mean so much for the world, for the third world, for people in poverty. They would have access to things just from the ground that would be quite useful to maintaining a standard of living that is tolerable. Well, let me point out the whole, with today's gluttony for electricity and energy, the Tesla telluric transmission system would be an absolute disaster. And for that reason, and the fact that now everybody and their brother is building these things, and they're going to create trouble with the FCC and get this outlawed, I will present no more information whatsoever on the Tesla system of transmission because I'm cutting my own throat. It's going to interfere with my research. So these idiots, you know, they go and they, oh, I'm going to build this big spark gap thing, and I'm going to try to, you know, resonate the Earth and whatever. Well, all that's going to do is jam everything out. And, you know, if you start trying to transmit one gigawatt through the Earth, you know, for industrial purposes, every seismic fault on the planet is going to jump, and that'll be the end of the Earth. See, Tesla's, you know, came from a horse and buggy day where the electrical, the entire electrical load of a household was a 50 candle power light bulb. And any kind of industrial activity or whatever was confined, you know, some little town in England or, you know, some isolated city in the United States, not a global network of, you know, one mega gigawatt of electrical power flow, that would be the end of the Earth as we knew it. And that's the same thing with this, you know, tapping the wheel work of the universe or whatever, or the natural energy flux of the Earth. As soon as you start doing that on the level of the energy gluttony, just like the bandwidth gluttony, you know, destroying Bell Telephone and the rest of that, it'll destroy the planet. And also, as we kind of talked about, it seems to be alive or contain life, and that's its own thing you probably shouldn't be messing with too much. Yeah, that's another, you know, another thought. I'm just looking at it from the electrical mechanical standpoint, law of reciprocity. You know, if an earthquake fault produces so much radio frequency energy on a certain set of frequencies, and then you put, you know, that energy into the Earth in that certain set of frequencies, what does the law of reciprocity tell you? You're going to have an earthquake. Mm-hmm. Right. I do remember Tesla talking about being able to basically break apart the Earth from oscillation, from the compounding signals, compounding resonance. I don't know the proper term, but it is quite scary, the power of that technology. Yeah. So, it's not really, it's not applicable. And because this last time around, the last presentation I gave, I see now, you know, everybody and their brother wants to start doing this stuff. They have no regard for frequency allocations, you know, who they're going to interfere with, what services they're going to disrupt, you know, burning out people's computers or interfering with Navy submarine communications. And the same thing is going to happen all over again that happened back in the, like around 1915 to 1917, when, you know, Tesla took the bite and everybody and their brother was concocting this and that and transmitting and interfering with each other. And the Navy was struggling to get a working communication system together. And they were getting ripped off by Marconi. They were getting ripped off by DeForest and Tesla wouldn't cooperate and what have you. And so what happened is Franklin Delano Roosevelt, when he was assistant secretary of the Navy, waited to Secretary Daniels was overseas and he managed to get enacted while Daniels was gone. The complete outlawing of all forms of radio, the cops came, took all your equipment, took your antennas down and radio from that point on was illegal for the individual in the United States until finally that law was really beaten up bad by David Sarnoff, RCA Marconi guy. And then Marconi, they fought, fought, fought, fought. Marconi started all these radio clubs and Sarnoff, you know, used RCA to at least get broadcasting going again and all that. And then finally, Herbert Hoover canceled the act by Roosevelt. And then people were allowed to experiment with radio again with the proper licenses. Nobody has any regard for proper licenses anymore. And we're right back to that state where no one has a clue of what they're doing or what they're interfering with. And they could give a damn. Even if you tell them you're going to be interfering with important communications, they don't care because it's too abstract. It doesn't appear on their silly phone. So it's not real. So what's going to happen is in about another five or 10 years, this stuff is going to be outlawed. I will no longer contribute anything to it. Fair enough. So in those documents, you do include a Tesla quote that I thought was really interesting. Tesla says, I am unwilling to accord to some small minded and jealous individuals the satisfaction of having thwarted my efforts. These men are nothing more than microbes of a nasty disease. My project was retarded by the laws of nature. The world was not prepared for it. It was too far ahead of its time. But the same laws will prevail in the end and make it a triumphal success. Well, when he says that his project was retarded by the laws of nature, what do you think he meant by that? Well, it meant that something was present that he could not overcome. Right. Do you know what that thing might have been? Well, that's the way it is with Tesla. Hmm. Maybe for the better. Yeah. Or maybe, you know, Tesla just made it up to irritate the nasty species of microbe. Could be, could be. And to talk about another person vilified by the system, let me ask you about Oliver Heaviside a bit. Aaron was telling me that Heaviside's work is super important because it rewrites the very foundation of energy science to the point that everyone is using the term energy incorrectly and there's actually no such thing. You mentioned earlier you were trying to get away from using that term. Can you elaborate on that? I mean, is this just semantics or is this like a really important thing to understand? It's very important to understand. And that's what I'm presently writing on now. So bits and pieces of it are squeezing their way out on the website. But Heaviside is the one that gave us the whole transmission technology. He gave us, you know, workable Maxwell's equations. So if he's the very foundation of engineering mathematics, without him, there wouldn't have been AT&T. There could have been long distance telephone. He's the guy. He just, he basically, he was the Prometheus that stole mathematics from the academics and gave it to the common man. And he's universally hated to this day by the academics. But if it wasn't for Heaviside, we wouldn't have any electrical technology. Heaviside is kind of one that, that I identify with. You know, the guy basically had no friends. He lived, you know, by himself in relative poverty. Everything he did was thwarted or bad mouthed or whatever, you know, even in his own time, uh, allegedly, you know, his final days when the relativity theories and all that came out, he just would no longer talk to anybody, moved all the furniture out of his house and moved rocks in and sat on them, painted his fingernails paint. Then he was stoned to death by the neighbor kids. And that's how he died. Yeah. But this idea that there's no such thing as energy, is that because it's just so fundamental and so ever present that it's like... The dimensions of energy are only kind of a transitory state. They're not really what's going on. You have power, and then you have the electric induction. The energy is kind of a phantom stepping stone between power, which is the process of doing work, and the electrical induction, which is the substance of electricity. The energy stands in between as a transitory phenomena between those two things. Its dimensions are kind of cockeyed. Gotcha. So when people... The word energy has whatever meaning you give to it. Like, I don't like his energy. Well, what energy? What does energy mean? Well, I don't like it. Well, what energy? What energy does he have? Can I pick it up on my voltmeter? Right. Yeah, that makes sense. That's the whole problem. It's like Faraday cage. Anything that screens electromagnetism is called the Faraday cage. That's not what a Faraday cage is. But don't try to convince anybody. Another thing is like daylight savings time. It's 11 o'clock, and they're calling it noon. Well, noon is when the sun's the highest in the sky, and it's not highest in the sky at 11 o'clock. You try to tell that to people, and because the great mouthpiece tells them that noon is at 11 o'clock. Noon is 11 o'clock, and they can't understand. And then six months later, they're told noon is at 12 o'clock, but they don't care. They don't know the difference. They're just parents. Right. Just reset the clocks and get a little less sleep before the old nine to five. Yeah, I don't use daylight savings time because it throws everything off. For example, let's say that I'm out in the field in a survey situation, and I want to build an antenna that points at Greece. Okay, well, the first thing I need to know is where north is. Well, let's see. I have nothing. All I have is me. How am I going to determine where north is if all I have is me? I have no test equipment. I have no compass. I have nothing. It's easy. All I need is to take a stick and poke it into the ground and put a little rock every 30 minutes or 15 minutes or one minute, depending on what kind of accuracy I want, where the shadow of that stick goes. It will draw a hyperbolic curve that has a dip. And then at noon, that will be the shortest, and then you will know where north is. So let's say, you know, I have a clock or I got WWV or I got something that I know the time. Well, now I have an instrument. Okay, so if it's the right time, if it's standard time, and I know that I'm in a certain position in a time zone so I can interpolate because, you know, noon might be 1130 on the clock if I'm in Nevada. I wait for that time. I look at the stick. I look at the shadow. That's north. Now, if the clock set at daylight savings time, the shadow is going to be porting in the wrong position, I'm not going to get north. Do you see, kind of see what I'm getting at here? It throws everything off. Well, let's, another example. Okay, I'm listening to a shortwave station on the other side of the United States. Well, their frequency is very critically tied to the position of the sun. And all of a sudden, they change their programming from real time to what we call mutant time, you know, the daylight savings time. They change their time of transmission. Well, now you can't pick them up because there's a shift over that hour from where you go from nine megacycles down to five megacycles, and they're on the wrong side of the shift. And then you can't listen to the radio show you want in that hour. It's unnatural. And then the phase glitch of going between mutant time and natural time, well, all of a sudden, everybody has to lie one way or another. They don't know what the truth, they don't know what the lie is anymore. And they're shocked by that transient. And now they got to get up an hour earlier, or, you know, the liquor store closes an hour earlier, or the coffee shop opens up an hour earlier, depending upon what side of the time you're on. And it throws everything off. So it creates a social disruption. I think it's basically it's deliberate because now daylight savings time is lasting longer than natural time. I think it's part of the covert disruptive process to keep people out of balance. And the problem is, is, you know, first, the lemmings will run one way, and then the lemmings will run the other way until finally they're instructed to run off the end of the cliff. Right. Because we've let artificial systems take precedent over natural ones. Right. Hmm. Sad state of things today. Disgusting state of things today. Indeed. And I wondered, this is a, this is a tangent, but I wanted to read another interesting quote from your paper, Revival of the Science of Electricity in the Digital Age, because it starts off with, in this digital age, the theoretical basis provided for electrical engineering has been defiled, reduced to an assemblage of delusive denouncements enforced by a cabal of academic theoreticians. What gives authoritative force to their dictates is the overtly complex and convoluted mathematics, which enshrouds them. This mathematics in turn becomes a rite of passage in teaching and replacing reason and experiment. Once the idols become digitized, they become law. And consequently, electricity has become a lost science, regulated to the same scrap heap as alchemy. And it is that last line that I'm a bit curious about, because in the same way you carry on Tesla's work in the electrical realm, I hear about a lineage of alchemists who say that transmutation is a real thing, but it's suppressed. Is that your contention too? Do you think there is something to that realm? Oh yeah, it's a fact. The human body has the capability of turning like calcium into magnesium, and there's no reason not to have transmutation. There's chemical reactions that occur, like between aluminum and mercury, that there's absolutely no chemical reason for, because there's no valency there, there's no electropotential difference of significance, yet mercury and aluminum will violently destroy the aluminum without harming the mercury. There's no chemical process. Yet the aluminum just obliterates. That's alchemical. Wow. And what's the catalyst that causes alchemical reactions? Well, I don't know. So, so a lot of what, in that particular paper that I wrote, most of it was quotes from famous people. And there's two books that I recommend that people get. The author is Dr. Gustav Lebon, Lebon, L-E-B-O-N. One's called The Evolution of Force, and the other one is called The Evolution of Matter. I'm writing that down right now, because I want to know more about this particular realm, but it's just so sparse. It's even harder to get a handle on than the true electrical field. Yeah, because it has been suppressed longer. I mean, Isaac Newton was an avid alchemist. I'm surprised he didn't die of mercury poisoning, but that might have been, you know, like chemotherapy that saved him from the plague. Wow. All of his papers on alchemy are stuffed in some bunkers somewhere, and no one's allowed to see them, because it's an absolute embarrassment to the Einsteinian physicists and the rest of them, because they like to portray Newton, you know, as a mechanist. He wasn't. Right. Man, I definitely knew he had a large alchemical library, but I didn't know if that was just because it was a fringe interest of his, or if there was something to it. It wasn't a library. It's his own work. The guy was an alchemist, and it was not to change lead into gold or any of, you know, these things we're told today. It was to, basically, they were searching for some kind of ultimate solvent, and mercury seemed to present to them what they were after, so that's why they worked with mercury so much. Right, which can be quite dangerous. Right. And it's also, another lost thing is all of the elemental substances on Earth react to cosmic influences, so they might crystallize one day different than they will another day because of planetary alignment. I've actually witnessed myself that it is damn near impossible to have a successful solder joint when there's a conjunctive planetary alignment between the Sun, the Earth, and Saturn. Really? Yep. I discovered that in my researches at Sonoma State College there in the north of San Francisco. That's where I was doing all my study, you know, of the interaction of planetary configurations with, you know, the electrical environment of the Earth and how it affected radio communications. It was an RCA research theme that, by a guy named Nelson, with my, you know, RCA contacts and equip laboratory equipment and what have you. I decided to duplicate all that because in 1980, all of the planets lined up on October 13th, and there were several subsidiary alignments in that interval, and that gave me, and I had the big RCA receivers, transcontinental RCA receivers to do the study with, and I learned an awful lot about the interaction between the weather and solar activity and planetary activity, and there's actually a book written called The Jupiter Effect that got into the whole, it was a doomsday, you know, because that's what the public wants. Other than, you know, the end of the world didn't occur, a lot of major disruption to power grids, and, you know, Mount St. Helens blew, and other things did happen. The gold prices shot up from the normal baseline to, you know, $30 to $40 an ounce up to $900 an ounce. It was, the radio effects were indescribable, and other, you know, the effects on music, and it really demonstrated that, you know, this whole electrical environment we live in has profound physical effects and effects on our own psychology. So we're in the opposite mode now, where the sun is just dead. Yikes. Well, I don't know if you would agree with them, but I have interviewed people who seem to think that Saturn's frequency is synergistic with, say, the malevolent it that you mentioned earlier. Well, that's, I think that's an astrological concept. Saturn, I know that a Saturn alignment, if you're not feral and emancipated from human dismalities, and you have to, you know, weight in that stuff, Saturn will cause a lot of problems. And also, like equipment failures and things like that, they also tend to kind of become more prominent around certain planetary alignment. So Saturn is a rather malevolent influence from the astrological standpoint. Right, right. That's kind of what I'm getting at. It seems like the big cabal even seems to kind of like that energy. Or it, rather, might be, you know, putting that in their engineering formula, we don't know. We can only speculate. I don't like speculating. You can do that forever. I'm an engineer. Right, right. An engineer has done some pretty amazing things. And I guess one, I know we're running kind of low on time here, but I guess one other thing about Tesla I wanted to ask you is we hear a lot about Tesla and the 1893 World's Fair. Did he demonstrate this wireless electricity there successfully? I'm not certain, but that was kind of before he had developed the wireless transmission process. So he would be showing more of the vacuum tube stuff and, you know, illumination rather than, and of course, his polyphase system. That was the star of the whole, you know, exposition was his polyphase system. Right on, right on. And then there was the tower, the Waldorf tower? Wardenclyffe. Wardenclyffe tower in New York. Was that a better demonstration of this technology? That's an enigma. Another one of those unable to explain with the current models things. It's a complete enigma. So allegedly the system operated, there's eyewitness accounts, you know, of, of phenomenal electrical events. Yet you look at the pictures, you can see no evidence of transformer coils or it's a complete enigma. And because it's a complete enigma, everything that people say about it is wrong. Everything, everybody. Just speculation. So when somebody says, oh, I'm rebuilding the Wardenclyffe thing and I'm going to do this or that, or somebody says Tesla was doing this at Wardenclyffe, just disregard it. Nobody knows. I was going to attempt the duplication, but at this point I have no further, at least in the public level, I have no further output on this subject. Well, it seems like someone like you would have been very much at home at the world's fair before they dismantled it, probably because too many of these discoveries and bright minds were gathering and showing off their work in a way that wasn't compatible with the system. Well, it was compatible with the system then. Not compatible with where the cabal wanted to take us. Well, they got what they wanted out of it. As they often do. Yeah. Man. Well, there is just so much impressive material, so many projects you've worked on. I got to let you go eventually. We should probably take some time to give people all the right information about following up on your work, purchasing your presentations, and donating to the non-profit that fuels the work. What should people know? Well, that's kind of more Aaron's level. You know, there's the website, and the website will lead you to the, you know, the proper channels to the donations. Mainly, like I say, they pay the electrical bill, you know, the bills for the building and getting the work published. Getting my stuff published is very expensive and very difficult, and that's kind of what I'm interested now. If some kind of major donor or a plurality of donations came in to help get the stuff, because I literally have thousands and thousands of pages of finished material, there's just no way to get this stuff out. I'm about ready just to take the whole lot of it to the dump. Oh, no. You can't do that. Well, I don't have room. You know, I got to start getting rid of some of this stuff. If it's not going anywhere, I got to take it to the dump. Oh, I got a garage. Let's call that your dump. No, but Aaron has been really great. He's a previous guest of ours. The audience would know him, and he's definitely facilitated our two conversations, but he seems like he's really trying to help create a structure that can support the work that you're doing, because that's not your department. Right. Right. And the information he gave me, ericpdollard.com is the website. We know that Aaron is doing his annual energy, science, and technology conferences, and your demonstrations and presentations are a big part of that, and people can buy those online at emediapress.com and not only learn a lot, but also help to support the work. Yeah, it's the addresses, you know, or whatever, you know, are there, and then, of course, there's all kinds of material to look at, so. People can donate at ericpdollard.com directly to the EDP Labs, which is a legal. E-P-E-P-D. Echo Papa Delta. Yes, sorry, your initials, of course, directly to the EDP Labs, which is a legal nonprofit, so it is tax-deductible donations. If anybody's, you know, hip to that game, and it will further fund the research into the electrical science, and, you know, everybody will be happy. So, right on. This has been a real honor and a pleasure. Seems like you've got a lot more stability and recognition, at least, since we last talked four years ago, and that's a beautiful thing, but there is clearly more work to do. Well, there's plenty. Well, I look forward to hearing more in the future, and good luck with the Music Seismograph Project. That sounds exciting. Yeah, I'll need it. It's alive, dear people. It's alive. Wow. Wow. I honestly have not had something blow me away like this in a while, and I don't want to sound like some overactive hype man, but this part about the cosmic induction generator is so insane. It really does look like Eric is doing something to form a small galaxy in a bulb, emerging out of the ether. Maybe I don't know what I'm looking at, but it jives with so many other things like the fractal nature of reality, the mysterious qualities of plasma, and to me, most interestingly, this odd connection between plasma, ether physics, electricity, and some sort of non-human entities. Many scientists who work in these realms have talked about high strangeness. In the past, science, alchemy, and magic were often studied by the same people, it seems to me. And when these current tech elite use terms like alter and summoning the demon, there's a reason for that. I guess you should see the pictures. I will obviously include a link in the show notes, but even the Skinwalker Ranch stuff, the Bigelow Aerospace stuff. Weird paranormal activity seems very intertwined with electrical or computer science, and maybe it is partly that Stargate kind of idea. If you have the technology to create portals to another world, but you can't physically get to that other world, you beam messages and try to invoke someone to build it on their end. You need the A side and the B side. And if you can get there through physical means, then what do you need that technology for? I don't know, I'm going way off track here, I guess. And there was just a lot to like about this, but that stuck out as the wildest stuff I've seen in a while. I'm just a big Eric Dollard fan, and I was happy to see that I could get him even laughing a couple of times. That's a notch in my belt that I'm happy to have. He's such a serious guy who's been fucked around a lot, he sees a ton of problems, and he does not suffer fools very well. Which means I got to put a lot of work in just to get through two hours. And again, I'm thankful for Aaron giving me the assist on this one, because it really would have been tough without him. But another thing I like about Eric is that he's a purist. He lives and breathes his work, and if it's outside of that scope, he's just not interested. He's not going to see the new Joker movie. He's not watching the Boys or the Umbrella Academy. He don't have no Netflix subscription. He doesn't care about the political impeachment circus. And he doesn't even take the softball pitch question of how can people support your work. It's like, well, I don't know, ask Aaron about that. You want to talk about earth stereos and flame speakers, I can talk about that inside and out. But donations, support, I don't know, talk to Aaron. I understand. He's just genuine. You know, I like that about him. And this is why him Aaron makes such a fantastic team. Eric needs an Aaron, and Aaron needs an Eric. And they're both noble guys trying their best at resurrecting the right understanding of these suppressed sciences and how they can be used. Even though I think Eric might say that the masses don't even deserve it, which I also think might be true, too. And I really hope you liked this one, because I've been talking more and more to Aaron about keeping these kind of guests in our rotation. I think I have three or four more shows on the books that have come from Aaron at this point. So we're going to see what happens. I know at least one is speaking English as a second language and doesn't do a lot of interviews. But that's what keeps me on my toes. I like a challenge. Anyone can say, ladies and gentlemen, here's David Icke, and then sit there for 20 minutes, you know? But a major reason I had this inclination to go harder at these subjects in particular is partly because of this military-centric disclosure rollout. And you might be stuck in traffic on your way to work thinking, what is he talking about? How is this connected? But then you see Jeremy Corbell handling another disclosure mouthpiece on Joe Rogan, and my first thought is, you know, a general, fuck this, the non-human intelligence topic is way deeper than a few military men seeing a couple of crafts here and there. I don't like that it seems as if the whole question of are they or aren't they hinges on that sort of thing. But how do I do that show? You know, comb the archive and you'll hear little comments about who or what I think is legit and what's bullshit, but it's not really my style to dedicate a show to tearing something like that down, because I don't have any insider information. I don't like to be that arrogant. But I don't want to be silent or actively participate in a fake disclosure either. So I just think, what's a better way to wade into the deep and strange waters of aliens, entities, whatever you want to say. And to me, it's this sort of suppressed science stuff. Not because it's about non-human intelligences directly, but you have to lay an ether physics entangled fractal universe animist model base to open up that alien dialogue to the more complex reality. Because what's being presented is kind of trash. When we talked to Nassim Harriman, he seemed to have an excellent grasp on what's under the hood of reality. And he also told us that he's talked to something non-physical. Dr. Jack Hunter, the anthropologist, told us many compelling stories of indigenous people and their spirit contact. I don't know if this is making sense, but I guess rather than participate in, hey, General, tell us about that floating metal cigar you saw. I would rather go in this direction. Because if you're participating in consensus reality, in this materialist model, then you are not ready for aliens. Because it's about much more than some cosmic Christopher Columbus discovering this new world, you know? But that's all just sort of to tell you where my head is at lately and why I want to hit this area a bit harder in the face of what I'm seeing out there. And you really should see some of Eric's demonstrations. The flame speaker is pretty damn cool. I'm excited for his earth stereo as well. And I'm mentally prepared for some major electrical grid outage because I think he explains how it's designed to be unnecessarily vulnerable quite well. And the icing on the cake is that the sun is dead. I don't know how dead is dead, but it's a precarious decade we're in to say the least. But this is all getting away from me. I really should point out that it's important to support the work you want to see grow and flourish. Sure, that can mean THC, but it really means Eric and Aaron's work. Aaron has this conference where you can go and see a lot of these people and what they're working on. I very much want to go next year. Emediapress.com is the website. Go poke around. And also ericpdollard.com. And he's got a PayPal donation link on the right-hand side. They set this up as a non-profit. You think that's easy? God, I can't even get my driver's license renewed. All this logistical shit, it really is a nightmare. So kudos to them just for even getting that structure set up. And look at the links we got in the show notes for some good follow-up stuff. Of course, I know every guest is looking for some sort of promotion or support, books to buy and all that. And then on top of it, I'm telling you to sign up for Plus. It's a lot. You're just like, can I listen to something for Christ's sake? I understand. But Eric is the man on the ground trying to find creative ways to get people to care about this alternative paradigm and the model of reality that the digital demon cult has hidden away. Most guests I interview are more scholarly or journalistic. But Eric is the guy getting his hands dirty every day. Do you want to support the guy who wrote the manual for your car? Or do you want to support the guy who can fix every damn piece of it and make it better? And he's not a young man. And the son is already dead. He's salty, and he's cynical, and I absolutely understand why. Let's try to encourage him to stay at it and let him know there's people who do care out there. I mentioned last week that I was getting a bit of burnout and fatigue, and I got a huge outpouring of support and new Plus members. And I really do appreciate that. I wish I could just make that happen for a guy like Eric who does more than just talking to a microphone. And when I say burnout, by the way, some people actually were like, no, no, don't quit. And well, that's a silly idea. I can't quit. This is my job, hopefully until I die. I'm pretty much banned from the workforce at this point. But we all have ups and downs, frustrating and overwhelming periods of work, followed hopefully by some smooth sailing, right? So it's all good. But check out more from Eric. Check out more from Aaron. Challenge yourself to understand this stuff and go through that re-education process until you get it so that you can be an advocate. Also, sign up for Plus, I guess. I don't know. I do just want to throw in the Plus content that we got into today because it is part of the wrap-up process. But we talked about George Van Tassel's Integratron. Eric was the last engineer to work on that before it was taken over. That was something I don't think I knew. We got more into the relationship between music and electricity and Eric's flame speaker. We talked about mapping the inner earth with the musical seismograph. Getting power from a radio transmission. Making a physical body for the biblical beast. The Schumann resonance. Oliver Heaviside's work. How society keeps us out of balance. The realness of alchemy as a suppressed science. Isaac Newton, the alchemist. And how elemental substances react to planetary forces. God, that was interesting. We talked so much about astrology and how the energies of the planets affect us and affect human beings, but apparently they affect all kinds of material. Eric even said that under some certain space weather conditions, he can't even get a good weld. What's going on? So a lot of amazing and unique stuff. Get the extra hour of all my shows at thehighersidechats.com. Blah, blah, blah. But also the joint session this month will be on the 25th. Our last two have been pretty barren because of another YouTube banning. But whatever. We do what we can. It's not a real banning. They just take away the ability for me to live stream every once in a while. It hurts because there are tens of thousands of YouTube subscribers. And when someone they subscribe to goes live, it's very obvious in their feed, so they hop on. And without that, we're dealing with a dozen people that actually show up on the 25th at 7 p.m. So think about it. There will be other baseball games, guys. And there will be other joint sessions too. Yeah, but you know what I mean. So try to show up just so we aren't so badly affected by that YouTube issue. And I'll see you then. Your move, ether excluders, digital demon cult members, and acolytes of the big it. Your fucking move. This is important. Hear what I said. I'm trying to tell you. It's not paranoia, not in my head. It's just the hard truth. Knocked on your door while I still can. To ask you a question. Cause I know your head is still in the sand. Deep to your slaughter for the rest of your life. Oppressed, oppressed, oppressed, but you're getting woke. You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die. Tough luck, my friend. Did you get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we're our cums? Can't you just admit we're screwed? I'll tell you this anyway. Every, every, no matter what, you'll be okay. You sit and wish, but we don't have a choice. It seems we're stuck here, but you can't find noses. Drown out the noise. Now use that altar and up your magic. And to THC, you know, you go with the end. Don't be cheap to your slaughter for the rest of your life. Oppressed, oppressed, but you're getting woke. You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die. Tough luck, my friend. Did you get the memo? Can't you say that we're so screwed? Don't you know we're all cums? Can't you just admit we're screwed? I'm gonna tell you this anyway. It's a scary, every day, scary, dark world. Be okay. You're still pressed, but you're getting woke. You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die. Tough luck, my friend. Did you get the memo? Can't you say that we're so screwed? Don't you know we're our kung fu? Can't you just admit we're screwed? I'm gonna tell you this anyway. It's a scary, okay.