From Thought to Reality: Are UAPs Manifesting? w/James Hodgkins

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Have you ever had any three letter agencies, private contractors, not Skywatcher, Jake, and, like, reach out to you to either dissuade you from doing what you're doing or try and recruit you for other means, given how interesting it is what you can do? So before all this became public, before the News Nation piece, before the first Skywatcher documentary dropped, I've never had anyone try to dissuade me or recruit me for anything. I have had some interesting encounters, though, not by people that identify themselves as, you know, card carrying three letter agency employee, but encounters that are so bizarre and weirdly synchronistic that I'm like, okay, this is a, I interpreted it as kind of like, you know, we're paying attention, we're watching, but there was no implied threat or anything like that. So I've never had, you know, anything nefarious like that happen. Um, and I also think, uh, you know, part of the push for Skywatcher to go public is a lot of that is like, you worry less about that once it's being done in public. Like I said, there are groups doing that in secret. Um, I'm proud to have never been a part of one of those. Um, and doing it in the public where people know everyone's name's involved, there's a degree of, uh, safety and comfort in that. Yeah, I think for me, if, if a tree falls in the woods and no one's around to hear it, does it fall? Whereas if, if the tree's on CCTV and everyone sees it fall, then you know it fell. Unless you're Jeffrey Epstein, in which case the CCTV is doctored and, uh, run. But yeah, that's a whole other topic for a different day. Um, so that there is that protection coming out publicly as much as maybe a lot of folks don't like it. Uh, David Grush, for example, and I'm going to ask you now actually around, around whistleblowers. How have you felt the whistleblowers that have come forward this year, Jake Barber being the first and then others like Matthew Brown have since come out, uh, since some of your interviews previously, how do you think they've been received and do you feel they've been well enough received? We're going to get more whistleblowers. Um, I've just spoken to Ivan Hanel, Lou Elizondo's representative, who has a new client and he said to me within the coming weeks, we are going to hear likely from this new client. Um, I don't know if that's something you maybe know about already, perhaps, I don't know, but we've got a businessman coming forward with some form of experience slash evidence and it's not your typical UFO whistleblower. It sounds like. So I've been fortunate enough to get to know a few of the whistleblowers that have come out in the public and some that have not. And, and I think the way that these whistleblowers, I mean, the dating, dating back to Dave, dating back to Dave Grush. Um, I think the way that some of these whistleblowers have been treated is not conducive to encouraging others to come out. Um, and it's, it's very frustrating, um, cause there, there definitely are people that view this as, you know, at least in the U S kind of their patriotic duty, um, that, you know, these programs were not handled correctly. They're not disclosed to Congress. They don't go through the formal, you know, uh, kind of big five approval process, et cetera. And that needs to change. Now, the way that people often get tarred and feathered for doing so, I think is, um, is, you know, like Sarah Gam is a, it's a good example. You know, Sarah came out with some, uh, incredible stories. I met Sarah, I really enjoyed speaking with her and you don't hear as much. And then there's no, like, I feel like there needs to be some type of coordination mechanism for doing this in a very like responsible way. You know, Lou Elizondo's attorney doing this, uh, given all the experience he has in working with Lou, I'm actually very curious to see how that's going to, um, to be handled. But this gets back to, you know, the, the statement I think I made at the beginning around some of this almost needs to be drip fed, you know, where if the claims are so outlandish, um, people aren't going to be able to grok that right off the bat. And so, you know, if it's not going to be handled in like a, you know, open session of Congress or even, you know, in a SCIF in a classified session, and you're needing to do that through the public, you kind of have to drip feed these things to maintain your credibility. Um, similarly, you know, I, I said earlier, and I don't mind saying it again, like channeled messages, like, you know, a lot of us get those. I, I don't share them. Um, I don't think that's something that is helpful or that people are necessarily ready for. And, um, I also don't believe all of them. And so I think being guarded and how you share this information and having, it's almost, I hate to say it, but like being managed, like a PR campaign, like you would in the business world of like, we're going to drip this product roadmap out over time, you know? Yeah. And you're not just dripping it to one audience because something that comes out, hits the UFO community very early. You know, we, we can get it. If you follow the right accounts or the right podcasts or whatever, you're going to get it within minutes or hours or days, people like yourself being involved, potentially get it even earlier or first you've then got the, the folks who would maybe like Joe Rogan, who want to discuss UFOs now and again, we'll then get it that then hits the mainstream and then does it blow up to major news networks and there's this along the way, do you, do you lose any momentum? Do you lose some of the message? Does it get watered down? Do people fade away from it? And I think the biggest example for me was with David Grush, what he said in that hearing was the biggest thing we've had. I would argue it's perhaps bigger than 2017. Although I think 2017 had to happen for a David Grush to come forward and all the other stuff around about it. And I, I've said before, James, I believe that because I follow a lot of the U S news because of this and just, just interest. But in the UK, there's almost no UFO stories reported in any serious way. David Grush was, and it was one of the very, very, very few times anyone cared. And I had journalists get in touch with me from major broad sheet newspapers who laugh at this topic, who genuinely were speaking like, I'd like to know more about this. And it was only for a couple of days, the door get kicked open, but it closed again quite quickly. Grush, Grush had something and we just didn't get the momentum and the wave to carry that on. And that's a frustration. And it seems like we need more of that to come. Otherwise the wave just peaks far too quickly. Yeah. And I, um, I think, you know, as you said, like Dave was, you know, the first of this generation to, to really come out as whistleblowers and I think Dave attempting to do everything through the absolute correct channels in the correct and responsible way, um, has, it's the reason it's taken a great deal of time. Like you said, what he said was so mind blowing in terms of, you know, actual biologics, et cetera. Um, and I think that probably has discouraged a few people that otherwise might have come wanted to come out through similar channels. Um, and then there's also, I mean, let's not to take it to a darker place, but, you know, Jake has publicly said, like, there have been other people that were, you know, ready to do this that, um, have disappeared. Um, so this is a, it's a dangerous thing to do. And also one of the, one of the things that I've really learned from the whistleblowers over the past couple of years is like, you have to realize how career destroying this work is like to go from, you know, from the air force or from an intelligence agency. And, you know, there's almost, I'm sure there are people in those organizations that feel a sense of betrayal. Um, so you're probably going to need another career, um, at this point. And, um, that's, you know, one of the things that, that is cool about Skywatcher is it gives, you know, Jake and others that come from that kind of black world an opportunity to continue working on the same topic that they have a lot of expertise in, um, but do it for public benefit as well. And so I think, um, that whole idea of citizen disclosure is like why most of us got so excited about Skywatcher at the beginning is like, maybe we don't need to wait for the whistleblowers. Like can you, whether it's Skywatcher or anyone else, any other group, like there's a bunch of other people that are doing really cool stuff in both UAP and PSY. Um, can we affect that? And can you influence culture to accept those ideas with compelling enough data that the government's like, yeah, sorry guys, you were right. We had it all along. Have you followed, um, Dr. Beatrice Villarreal's work with transient objects? Now I was really fortunate. I, I attended, um, the, the talk she done at Durham university, um, a couple of months ago and she showed the initial slides and it's the simplest. There was so much I didn't understand in what she talked about because it was for the academics in the room and folks watching online. But even for me, a layman, you can show me a picture and see in this picture, here are lots of stars. Here is a separate picture taken a month later. Notice those three stars are no longer there. It's the same patch of sky. Those shouldn't have moved. Where did they go? That's really basic science that anyone can understand. You can then take that up the degrees, can't you? To, to proper scientists and say, this is really interesting. And I think even that's something a public can get on board with these stars moved. Stars don't, well, stars do move, but you know, you get me in this picture. Yeah. These stars shouldn't have disappeared and they did. And then there was a whole connection to stars being in a picture with the, the 1952 Washington UFO flap, I believe it was. That's some really interesting stuff. And you wonder just with these different pick and mix approach, sky watcher, soul foundation, a Beatrice Villarreal, the Galileo project with Avi Loeb. Is this the way you bring about disclosure by just hammering down so many different doors? Yeah. Yeah. I, Beatrice's work was, um, very exciting. And it really, to, you know, to echo your point, um, that was such a shocking piece to come out of academia. 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So why not you? Try Odoo for free at odoo.com. That's O-D-O-O dot com. To come out of academia and be like, this is shocking. And to your point about condensing it down, I remember first seeing her research at the first Seoul Symposium. And similarly, I didn't understand a lot of the more scientific presentation, but Beatrice's clicked for me. And I think you're right. Like, I think it's not going to be just Skywatcher. You know, I think it's a combination of you just keep knocking against this door and you keep moving, you know, the Overton window, if you want to call it, you keep moving it a little bit further. But the key missing piece and the thing that I hope can get figured out is getting Beatrice's story, you know, to take her as an example. Like, how do you get the New York Times to cover that? You know, is it Leslie King? How do you get the major news outlets that, you know, the people that aren't crazy like you and I are getting their information from and push the ideas out that way? Because I think that's really how progress is made. And I think that's, you know, Beatrice and everyone else that's willing to kind of stake, particularly in academia or science, my God, to stake your reputation on the UAP topic. Yeah. We ask, and how do we, you know, kind of prop them up to give them the voice to have an impact? And I think, you know, it's funny, just as Beatrice's, you know, initial results were coming out. I actually met a PhD in your neck of the woods who's at a major university in London, interviewed me about NHI. I'm not going to spill the beans on what his research is on exactly. But there does seem to suddenly be like a wave of new academics that are willing to stake their reputations and put themselves out there. You know, the idea that a PhD board would even include or would even approve a thesis on the topic of NHI in a non-scientific lens was pretty shocking to me. I think that's a mutual friend of ours that interviewed you for that. Yeah. That's all right. Very nice chap. I'll just say that much. And he will be listening. So hi to that gentleman. I'll mention that at the end and we'll just confirm it as who I think it is. That's nothing super secret of folks. That's just, yeah. It's just not for us to mention folks' names. So yeah, listener questions. Terry. So Terry says, bringing down craft at Skywatcher. In his interview with Ryan at Post Disclosure, James states the psionic assets must first disengage from flying the craft before it is hit with technology they use to bring it down, as that technology would likely harm the asset. He also states these craft are unmanned. However, if these craft are being controlled also psionically by the phenomenon and then we shoot it down, aren't they worried they just poked the bear? I'm not coming up with a way to ask this delicately. What makes them think they can do this with no repercussions? Well, because Skywatcher isn't shooting anything down, first and foremost. And so I, one of the, you know, this was done in government programs, like full stop. You know, there's a reason, you know, some of the Skywatcher employees were doing what they did and there's a reason they left those programs because I think, and you heard Jake talk about this a little bit while flying the helicopter, that telepathic contact. You know, what I have heard about from these psychics that did it where, did it in programs where they actually were shooting these down is that it was utterly horrific. Um, you know, you're, when you establish a psychic connection with something, it's not just words, it's emotions. Um, and typically, you know, an NHI is usually like very emotional. The stories I've heard of people that were involved psychically in those programs is you get all its trauma. You get like, it is really, really tragic. And so that's one of the reasons when Skywatcher from inception, no one had any interest in shooting one of these down because, you know, no one wants the karmic baggage of being involved in that. I think Gary Nolan's involvement from very early on, he stated multiple times publicly that he would walk away from Skywatcher and have no involvement if there was any attempt to attack or shoot one of these things or do anything ethically questionable. Uh, and Gary Nolan still has that involvement as recent as is, is a podcast with George and Peterson as well. So I think for many, Gary Nolan is almost a canary in the coal mine for Skywatcher. If we saw Gary put out a statement to say, I'm no longer involved with Skywatcher comes away that perhaps raises eyebrows. Um, but yeah, so it's canary in the coal mine. I like that. Yeah. Um, human neutrino says, has there been any research undertaken to establish what gives James and others their abilities? And are these abilities specific to a small subset of the population? So there is a lot of research on consciousness today. Now, the thing that is missing and the thing that I would love to see get funded is kind of a longitudinal study on the roots of Sai in the body. And, you know, Gary Nolan did the study about the conneit and putamen, um, which was a smaller, he'll, he'll tell you this, he's told me this, it, that was a smaller study in terms of sample set with people that self-identified as psychics. What I would love to see happen is, you know, there are, there are ways to verify and test for psychic abilities. Take a really large sample set, you know, 40 to 50 people that have verified Sai abilities, also looking at the genetics of their family, both people and, you know, uh, doing this in a very ethical way, of course, with an independent review board, et cetera, um, looking at when Sai manifests and when it doesn't, I think one of the more profound things I've heard from Dr. Diane Powell, who, um, I've learned a ton from over the past couple of years is people are often associated with, or looking for purely genetics. And I think her argument is that epigenetics play a much higher, a much greater role. And to give you an example, and people have read way too much into this trauma plays a big role in Sai. Um, and you know, people take that to all sorts of dark places for me, that was, you know, literally having a head injury at four years of age seems to have knocked something loose that allows me to do this. Unfortunately for a lot of other people that can be physical or emotional abuse, abuse as a child, sexual abuse. Um, but sometimes it is purely spontaneous. Like, uh, one of the, um, earliest members of the Skywatcher side team had no experiences until the, he was 35 or so, and then had a spontaneous contact event. All of a sudden, you know, they're everywhere and he has all of these psychic experiences. So this, like to me, cause I obviously, I care a lot more about the consciousness research. This is what would be fascinating, uh, to study is to see, like actually do a big study of both psychically gifted people and people that do not think they have it. But I will say, um, I mean, I get asked every single day by someone in, uh, Twitter DMs about how they can become psychic. And I think people, I think everyone can do this to a certain degree. Um, I think it's part of the human experience. We all have the ability to tap into the field to varying degrees, but it also takes work. Um, and it's not as if I'm not one of those people where it's on all the time. Um, I actually think it's very destabilizing for a lot of people that have to constantly filter out these messages, but I'm like, I'm very diligent about meditation. I'm very particular about what I put in my body. Um, and I do all these things to enhance sigh. And so that's usually one of the first things I tell people is like, you know, what types of practices are you doing? Or do you have meditation practice? Are you, you know, eating a bunch of American garbage and drinking every night? It's probably not the way to go about it. Yeah. Um, Kevin asks, what other size skills, if any, has James experienced historically? So I have pretty much run the gamut for most people ask me are curious about, uh, telekinesis, you know, the ability to objects with your mind. That is the one that I have never seen. I've been sent a lot of videos of it. The videos are pretty compelling, but I can usually think of a reason to discount it. Um, telekinesis is the one I've never seen demonstrated for me. You know, I'm pretty much able to run the gamut, but I've also been doing this since I was a, you know, a little kid and exploring, um, you know, whether it's visions, astral projection, et cetera. Um, sigh, isn't just one thing. Like I said, you kind of gravitate towards one or the other. My big one is, you know, if you want to put like a military side term on it, like I'm the comms guy, um, particularly good at communicating, but there's others that, um, you know, I have friends that are constantly getting visions. Um, I actually think that'd be very destabilizing. I don't know if I thought that, um, but it runs the gamut. Running a business is hard enough. So why make it harder with a dozen different apps that don't talk to each other? One for sales, another for inventory, a separate one for accounting. 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Peter asks, so could you please ask James if he thinks the U.S. three-letter agencies have deliberately suppressed information on SAI in order to develop countermeasures to adversaries using it against him? And what might these countermeasures look like? And he says, for context, I'm thinking of Joe McMoneagle remote viewing a new Russian submarine in 1979, Pat Price looking into locked drawers at a secret U.S. military base and reading the names of secret programs. Clearly, adversaries could attempt the same. And so countermeasures would need to be developed, if at all possible, to continue to protect U.S. secrets. For the UFO topic, that would include crash retrievals and ARVs, for example. And I'll just say, if anyone's got a real interest in some of that stuff, I had Russell Targ on earlier this year or late last year, which was really interesting. So yeah, for a deep dive into that kind of stuff, always worth checking out. But yeah, please, James, go on. Yeah, I think this has been classified because it is viewed as a national security matter for exactly the reason that the questioner just outlined. The fact that not only do we not understand it, but, you know, McMoneagle's story about, I think it was McMoneagle that said, it's almost like the more effort you go into making something secret, the more it shines like a beacon for psychics to exploit it. And, you know, I think he was drawn to that NSA black site when he was trying to view a random log cabin, something like that. Yeah, that's what happened. Yeah. Yeah. And so, like, as an intelligence professional, like, my God, how do you protect against that? And so I understand the argument of, I guess I, well, let me, I don't understand, but I get why they would say this needs to be a national security matter. And we're going to do a bunch of research and we're not going to release it to anyone. But I think it's actually quite more advanced today. And I'm not, I'm not going to give specifics about this. But when we, not human initiated contact, but other activities I've engaged in from time to time, you will run into what can affectionately be known as a counter psionic asset, something that is there to stop you from accessing any information that you're not supposed to have. And that feels like, I mean, that is part of my experiences. It's happened two or three times. It's not pleasant. And then there's also the, you know, the insane stories of like Ingo Swan, you know, I think it was Ingo that was remote viewing the moon and gets chased off of it and told never to come back by NHI. So you're kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't. There seems to be some type of NHIs because I think they're much more advanced telepathically, obviously have very robust defense mechanisms against things like that. And it feels like humanity has developed that as well. And, you know, Russia, the reason in my mind, and I wasn't part of the early, you know, Cold War programs, that the U.S. developed our own psionic programs was because Russia was, you know, 40, 50 years ahead of us in that regard. And there's plenty of evidence China is exploring the same. So I think it is still very much reality. Israel as well, you know, seems to have a rather advanced psionic program. And I bet you there's a number of them in your neck of the woods as well, Andy. Yeah. Claire asked about 12 questions. You'll know I discussed that with you before, but I've picked this one because some of them we've covered off, James. Has James' experience changed the way he lives his life? And I suppose, James, you've talked about you've had this since you were very, very young. If indeed it's not changed the way you live your life because you've lived your whole life like this, in what ways has it impacted how you go about your day to day? Yeah. So like you said, this has always been my experience. So I don't know another way to live, really. But I can tell you because I've spent so much time meeting other psychics. And particularly what I found is the psychics that spontaneously develop this later in life as adults, it can often be very, very destabilizing and very confusing. And it's something that can take a year, if not longer, to actually integrate these experiences, embrace that you're not crazy. These experiences are happening to you. But one of the things I've found is there is a degree of openness when these people talk about how they used to be versus how they are now in terms of fear of death, overly concerned about the intricacies of life. If like I try not to like little things in life, like just kind of roll off me, like they're not they're not that important. And I've noticed people that develop this later in life, often, as long as it's not destabilizing, are very happy, kind of carefree individuals, because they know that consciousness persists after death and that it also makes reality. This is a line I like about kind of re-enchanting the world. It makes reality a lot more interesting if it's not just base material reality. You know, it's not a clockwork universe where, you know, it's just grinding on in linear time. But like, you know, like we talked about, reality is a little bit fungible. You can also access information non-locally that you didn't have access to. And you can kind of tip the tables and manifest some of the results you want. So I, yeah, I think it needs to be done responsibly. But I think it's a kind of a wide new world for a lot of people. David asks, so can you ask James about the rumors that the Skywatcher have been compromised or red teamed and also ask why someone on their team felt they need to leak some of their footage? Yeah, I don't know anything about the leak, to be clear. You know, Matt Pines did come out and he confirmed that that happened. I have no idea what the specifics are there. And, you know, the rumors around being red teamed, which is an odd turn of phrase. You know, Skywatcher came out today and refuted that. I think largely because of the recognition that the need to communicate more with the public as to what's going on. Why is there that big delay? And I think when you don't communicate, and this is what's hard about being in the public, people assume the worst. You know, they assume that, you know, whatever, Skywatch has been bought and, you know, put in an ironclad NDA where no future material could be released. And nothing is hard as the truth. It has not happened. Yeah, no, that's fair. And like you say, I think the statement today cleared that up. Not that everyone's going to believe that. And, you know, that's just a rush. You're never going to. You're never going to. Please, everyone. And Javacat asks, more of our personal one, please ask James if his family is aware of his abilities and if there's a genetic link. Does his family support these efforts or do they worry about his safety and also any effects from the, sorry, any hitchhiker effects at home? Yeah. So this is a fun question. Some good and some bad there. There have been. I'll tell you about a kind of scarier experience. Um, so by family, if you're talking about my, my wife, since, I mean, my wife and I met when I was 18 years old and she's not about this, uh, for 20 plus years. So she's been like the one person that I could trust with all of this. Um, my family, obviously larger family, you know, uh, is now obviously well aware of this and, um, has been a lot more accepting than I thought. Um, particularly as I, I'll do HIC for them and, you know, let them experience the phenomenon for itself. And it's been really, it's helped some of those relationships where this part of me was like walled off. And, you know, I just learned at an early age, you know, my friends and family are going to think I'm nuts. Um, I've also reconnected with a lot of old friends that I didn't know were fascinated by these topics or had their own UFO psychic experiences that now, you know, I haven't talked to since college and we're, you know, talking every day now again. So overall, it's been a really big net positive to the question about genetics. Um, so my, I have two children. My oldest daughter has kind of been going through her own, um, let's call it a psychic awakening over the past little over a year, I would say. And it has been, it has brought she and I so much closer together to talk about these topics and to be rational about them. Like the hard part with kids is they do have wild imaginations. And so the first question is like, what were you watching before this? You know, that you think that this experience happened. So you have to be a little careful there, but that's not a support network I had as a kid. Um, and so it's important to my wife and I, that like, you know, these topics are really talked about, you know, my, um, you know, my kids have seen like the skywatcher documentary, et cetera. Uh, they thought it was too long and a little boring for them, but to your hitchhiker question, that's a fun one. Um, I, yes, we have experienced that once. Uh, the story is I, um, was meeting a, um, a woman who was psychic for the very first time. Her, her experiences were very dark since early childhood. A lot of really negative, scary stuff had happened to her. And there was one specific type of entity that had, um, she had seen her entire life. Um, and she told me about it on the phone call and I'm being very, there's a specific reason I'm not mentioning, uh, what it is in, in this call and you don't understand why. So I listened to all this, didn't think anything, went off, had dinner, wife and family did not mention this at all to my wife or kids. Um, very next day, my wife was driving my daughter somewhere and standing on the street in broad daylight, my oldest daughter described to a T the exact same entity, um, which I was like, pardon, um, that was really my first experience with like a really negative hitchhiker effect. And I didn't make a big deal out of it because I didn't want to scare her, but she started seeing it in her room, uh, repeatedly. And basically what I told her is, you know, this thing has no power, it has no authority. Um, it, you know, probably likes that you're scared. You just need, even if you're scared, just tell it, I'm not afraid of you and see what happens. She did that literally one time and it went away. And it also like, she no longer has like any fear of this, despite being very young. Um, because she realizes like, you know, this is our reality. This is our plane. We kind of are in charge. Running a business is hard enough. So why make it harder with a dozen different apps that don't talk to each other? One for sales, another for inventory, a separate one for accounting. Before you know it, you're drowning in software instead of growing your business. This is where Odoo comes in. Odoo is the only business software you'll ever need. It's an all-in-one, fully integrated platform that handles everything. CRM, accounting, inventory, e-commerce, HR, and more. No more app overload. No more juggling logins. Just one seamless system that makes work easier. And the best part, Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. It's built to grow with your business, whether you are just starting out or already scaling up. Plus, it's easy to use, customizable, and designed to streamline every process. So you can focus on what really matters, running your business. Thousands of businesses have made the switch. So why not you? Try Odoo for free at odoo.com. That's O-D-O-O dot com. Yeah. No, I'm glad to hear that. As a father as well, that would be terrifying to hear my kids going through that. And I'm glad that was resolved very quickly for her too. So thanks for sharing that. A couple more questions. We're almost done, James. I see you've been phenomenal with your time, so thank you. Glenn asks, how physically close to one of these objects has James been, either in recent times or previously? Recent times, I've been as close as, I would say, 200 to 300 feet from one. And that is fairly rare. Typically, if you're doing HICE, they are pretty darn far away. I told you guys earlier about the, during the drone flap here in the U.S. that took place. And I did that HICE to see if I could get a response because we were seeing them all over New England. And that was the one where, and my wife was with me, where it materialized and it was like 200 feet, like above the, you know, right at the treetops. And it was startling. That was actually probably the most intimidating HICE I've seen before, where I wasn't, I wasn't expecting it. You know, sometimes they'll start far away and then they'll come closer or you can ask them to come closer. But this was like, boom, here we are. I know it's pretty shocking. With Skywatcher, are they always at quite a distance or can you get them closer? You can ask them to get closer for sure. But once again, they're not always cooperative. You know, these aren't, we don't have, it's a partnership. You're asking it to come closer and sometimes they'll cooperate and other times they won't. Oftentimes they don't cooperate. And again, does that tie, and I know you'll probably have to be careful with specifics here, but does that tie into the intent, the rituals performed beforehand, the asking permission to film? And one of these things may come closer, but you aren't allowed to actually film it. And if you did sneakily try that, it's not going to come closer. Does that all come into play? I think it does. Yeah, that incident where it was a couple hundred feet away, I had first asked, can we film you? And I immediately got a no. And it was willing to come back close because of it. And then I also think, like that triangle that I mentioned, I didn't ask that to show up. So all bets were off and I was going to try to film it. And, you know, I'm sure it knew or it could tell that I was, you know, literally hopping out of my car to do it and decided, like, no, we're not going to allow that. And, you know, it's going to shift into something else. Lucky Dury, or Dury, says, can James use his Psy abilities in everyday life? If so, how? And is it only with other Psy people or normies as well? So, I mean, using Psy to interfere with someone else's free will, like, hard pass, would never do that. Now, using Psy to figure out what is the right approach to dealing with issues, you know, like a work issue, you know, interpersonal issues. Like, I think that is perfectly fine. And that's something that I engage in regularly. But what you're talking about is manipulation. And this also gets back into intention. And I, karma is probably the closest word for it. But to me, you know, my life isn't hard enough where I feel like that would ever be necessary. And it's not worth, like, the blowback. Like, I do think there is some type of retribution, you know, in this universe or dimension, whatever you want to call it. And manipulating others is kind of where I draw the line. Would it be fair to say, then, in terms of Psy, it would be more along the lines of you would have more faith or trust and a gut instinct or initial thoughts and feelings that you would trust an initial thought. You get a feeling about someone. And we all get this. It's just you perhaps maybe be more aware or comfortable of your reactions. So this is, people get really frustrated when I recommend this. Like, you know, if I ask those questions, like, how are you living? You know, what type of practices are you doing? Like, okay, so let's ramp up your Psy abilities. The, what you just outlined is actually a wonderful first step for people that are, want to get serious about their psychic abilities. And, you know, the examples I use is, you know, someone is looking at you in a grocery store behind your back and you know you have eyes burning into your back for whatever reason and you turn around and you notice it. Most of us just say, like, oh, that's intuition. Well, yes, but what is intuition? Like, intuition, you're accessing non-local information that you couldn't hear or see or feel and learning something about it. And so stopping and recognizing those little impressions you get throughout the day and, like, one of the key things is actually writing them down. So take a second to write. Someone was looking at me at the grocery store and I turned around and sure enough, they were. These things become self-reinforcing because what I, this isn't scientific, but I think our conscious mind, you know, is getting so much sensory input throughout the day that when you get those little impressions, your consciousness is just like, forget that. I don't have time for this. James is looking at a computer right now with a bunch of screens up. I need to focus on that. If you stop and you're really training your mind, no, no, no, this information is important that I'm receiving, it's going to say, oh, okay. Similar, you know, if you want to work on remembering your dreams, what is the most common advice? Stop and write them down because you're telling your brain not to throw that out as you wake up in the morning. And so I do think those little intuitions and impressions are how this starts and then it kind of steamrolls from there. Edith wants to know, if you can even answer this one, what do the NHI or aliens call us humans and do they call themselves anything? Well, once again, I don't think it's one thing. And, you know, NHI is covering so many different things. I don't, I wouldn't know how to respond to that. And it's not, it's not a question I've explored in any great detail. You know, there are, you get a lot of answers, like you'll get names for individual NHI. Because one of the common things that you're doing these communications is if this contact seems helpful, you want to establish being like, hey, can we speak again? You know, would love to get to know you better. And so I typically do that by asking for a name. And, but what's funny about the names is I have found that the names are descriptive to me. And they're, what I mean by descriptive is they're encompassing the feeling that that NHI is trying to convey to me. Like whether they're friendly, you know, sometimes I'll get like a very friendly feminine presence and they'll, they'll give me a specific name that just is like, you know, a female, a woman in my family. I had a close relationship with as an example. So they kind of just do that to give you something to, to latch on to. Now I know where this question is going. It's about like, you know, galactic federation and things like that. I've gotten those terms before, but you always have to stop and ask yourself, like, is that because I've heard that before? Yeah. Yeah. And I'm always on guard for, did I know, did I, was this floating around in my head somewhere and I just connected the dots? Yeah. And that's why I'm always wary of a lot of, God, don't take this the wrong way, folks who are experiencers. But when experiencers say, oh yeah, these aliens from, and you used it earlier, they're from Zeta Reticuli and they took me to, and it's the same. And it could just be the same message, but I'm always very wary of, but you've heard that from somewhere, which is a lot of this topic. And that's just any kind of normal bias, but I think that's why it's, it can be harder sometimes because that's a story you've heard from someone else and you're repeating it. So, but I think you've, you've summed up really well in your own experience that even in your own head, you're aware of your bias, you're, you're able to filter out your own thoughts. And even then you're still at times uncertain, is this a message, is it not? But then you've said, there's quite clearly other times where no, no, this is a message. Yeah. And one other element, and I'm not sure I can clearly articulate this, but I'll try, is I do think a lot of these experiences are like meant for you as an individual. Um, it's not necessarily meant to be shared with others. And that's, you know, when people ask me how to do HICE, my first question is, are you trying to film it? Do you, is, is your goal to post this on X or is it to have a veridical experience for you to realize this is real? And if it's the latter, great, you should probably have some success with that. But I, I think sometimes when we get those, some of those messages, you know, like Zeta Reticuli, like that is so kind of like cliched at this point that if you're asking for that level of detail, it's almost like, well, we know James is going to come out and say Zeta Reticuli and everyone's going to laugh at him. And, but this wasn't for everyone else. This was for James. And, but that, that's kind of that like weird spiritual component to this, where it does seem very like personal gnosis driven. Yeah. Yeah. I've had those odd times. I've walked out when it's a nice clear summer's night or winter here in the northeast of England. And I've looked up and just thought walking the dog, nothing special, no meditation, nothing like that. And just if there's anything up there, it'd be nice to see it. Might say it out loud, might keep it in my own head, depending how late it is. Now and again, a light goes across. Is it slowing down? Is it speeding up? Is it just me misidentifying a satellite or something? Maybe, maybe not. But I just always keep it and go, hmm, I don't try and film it. I don't, because, because what's the point? Especially having a UFO podcast, James. If I walked out here right now, looked up and a 500 foot black rectangle or triangle or whatever was over my house. Could I come on here and tell that story? I'm sure listeners, some of them would believe me and, you know, they trust me or whatever. But what's the point? Because realistically now, having this, you know, this, you know, way of talking to people, this medium, it would just have a look to it. And is it just more for me at that point? Probably. Yeah. And that's why I think the real, like, opportunity for disclosure and, you know, a bunch of ideas as to how to go about this is helping more people have that experience. And I, you know, I've said this time and again, I don't know, maybe the White House lawn, like you said. But if any amount of footage can really do it for the general population and maybe this, and I also am not convinced, we're ever really meant to entirely understand this in its complexity. And so I think that veridical personal experience and, you know, kind of waking people up, you know, one by one might actually be the path forward. I'm going to use this as a final question because, James, I think it's a good chance for you to sum up the Skywatcher work, your own work, your own thoughts and how people or how you want people to view publicly Skywatcher, their narrative and the work being done. So D.O. says, what are Jamesy's thoughts on possible ethical conflicts with Skywatcher being a commercial entity while at the same time they aim to get one of the UAPs to land as part of making real contact between humans and aliens? What are Jamesy's thoughts on possible ethical conflicts with Skywatcher being a commercial entity while at the same time saying they want to get one of these UAPs to land as part of making real first contact? So, I mean, it's a delicate line to walk, for sure. And like we talked about, you know, taking private sector money earlier and the perception that comes with that. But I'll draw back to the fact that if Skywatcher was just looking to profit and, you know, engage in technology capture and reverse engineering, et cetera, there's no reason for Skywatcher to do any of this in the public. And also, like, to have a sophisticated film crew like that is super expensive. That would be a line item that would be wonderful to cut is to not have to film this for the general public. But that was never the intention from the get-go. And I think that's also one of the great, you know, we talked about intentions. The intention of coming out in public is paramount to this and has been, you know, long before Skywatcher was that if this is not done for public good, it's probably actually not going to work. I actually don't think this phenomenon is cooperative if your intentions are not in line with ideas like getting this out into the public. Awesome. Well, James, wonderful speaking to you. You've been incredibly gracious with your time. It's been over two hours. Folks have been listening or watching you. I think you've came across fantastically well. I've really enjoyed speaking to you and I'd love to get you back on in future. If and when Skywatcher have some updates and, of course, your own work, too, into consciousness and whatnot, if that leads you down any other avenues. How can folks follow you, find you, anything you want to kind of promote? Sure. So X is the best place. My handle is at J.D. Hodgkins, H-O-D-G-K-I-N-S. And thanks for having me. Awesome. I'll put all that in the description, folks. And thank you very much for listening. Thanks, Andy. My new book, Atlas of Unidentified Flying Objects, is now available to pre-order wherever books are sold, including Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and Waterstones. Explore the UFO phenomenon through 34 cases from throughout the world with accompanying pictures and maps in a beautiful hardback edition or download for your Kindle. Links available in the podcast description below. 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