Gary Fraughen | Occult Control, Constructed Culture, & Hidden Codes Of The Power Pyramid

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And while slavery is less overt in most places in the modern world than it used to be, it has evolved to incorporate most major aspects of infrastructure that we've taken for granted as normal. From our entry into the world where we must be registered to the state with our birth certificate to the legally obligated decade plus of state indoctrination and the nearly legally obligated 60 some odd injections our parents are pressured to put into us just for the privilege of Pavlovian training and propaganda. Then if you make it through the school system free of debt, consider yourself one of the lucky ones, but no less obligated to quickly find your place at the bottom of some corporate hierarchy with the promise that if you just work hard for the next few decades, you might have a chance to maybe replace the people you already can't stand who seem even less happy than you are now. And this is on top of the dead, fluoridated water, geoengineered skies, and chemical-coated slop designed to keep you docile, dull, and inclined to require routine trips to the medical establishment for temporary symptom relief, often at the cost of some new health problem. And going deeper still, the whole system operates under a debt-based fiat currency designed to lose value over time in an interest-based lending system that makes sure you always owe more than it takes to live with the haves and have-nots being well-established before you even came to be. It's not slavery exactly, but for many people it doesn't feel far off. Well, welcome to the work of today's guest, Gary Frahn, who has researched all of these aspects of our unfortunate situation and more, showing that even down to the language we use and the numbers infused into everything, we find ourselves in a tapestry of top-down control and occult-derived patterning and conditioning that makes it so many will never even raise their awareness beyond the base level. As for Gary, he started out earning himself a first-class science degree in surveying and has worked in the construction industry all of his life. His career had him occasionally fulfilling expert witness roles for court proceedings, which sparked an interest in language, etymology, and the structure of our legal system itself. So far, he's written three books in what seems like it'll be a series of 10 or 12 when it's all said and done, but so far we have Putting the Stopper in the Bottle of Death and the Occult, Putting the Stopper in the Numbers of Death and the Occult, and New World Order, Past and Present, and The Adepts. He covers a lot of ground, and who better than a construction expert to identify the unseen infrastructure that drives our lives, so let's do it. The Hidden Code Codebreaker, oppressive occult infrastructure identifier, and true champion of the people, Gary, my man, welcome to THC. Lovely to be here. Welcome, everybody. I hope this will be an interesting discussion. We'll just let these things roll as they roll, so we've got no prerequisite, as it were, for a pathway of discussion. So we'll just go where it goes and have a good time, and if people enjoy it, I'll come back. If they don't, it's all good. Everything's always good. Ah, I like the attitude, but thank you for being here. I know you've done some presentations and conference appearances for The Alternative View. The organizer, John Peters, occasionally recommends guests that make sense for me, and I think he brought us Pierre Sabac a few years ago, and he's the one who introduced us as well. And I was impressed with the three books you sent out, and I think the overall theme, which I tried to capture in that intro, is that there is a lot of intention put into the way things are, many things that we just take for granted. And it's all heavily slanted against regular people in favor of the power pyramid elite. And the most surprising thing is the depth and detail built into every little thing. Is that fair to say? Oh, absolutely. I mean, the fourth book, I'm about a month and a half off. I don't have an intention when I write. I just let the books write themselves, and then when I've finished what I think is enough, then I write the conclusion of what I've written. So I don't start out with a goal, as it were. I let the books sort of write themselves with the information that I've got, and then the conclusion is the kind of forerunner to everything I've written about. And that seems to resonate with people. People that keep fish don't keep fish. They keep water. Because the water supports the fish. So I go where the water flows. To swim with a fish is to know the temperature of the water. So I write with that intent. I don't steer people towards my understanding of a conclusion. I let people work with me to find the conclusion. And that seems to go down very well in my writing. But yeah, I woke up in 2001, so I've been awake for a very, very long time. And I do express often that I thought I was going mad for a while because no one saw what I was seeing or the way in which I saw the world. But all these decades later, I'm no longer alone. There are more and more people waking up every day. And when I say more and more, I mean millions are waking up every day to this madness. And it's coming to an end. So with the fourth book, I'm writing about the Jesuits because the Jesuits are behind everything. They control everything, every culture, every creed, every color. They control everything. And I think they used to be above AI in the pyramid structure. And I think AI has now overtaken them because AI is now thinking for itself. And then you've got to ask yourself the question, who's above the AI? And that's an interesting part of the maybe conclusion in book four because we want to know who's steering this. We want to know who's behind all this stuff that we're having to deal with on a day-to-day basis. And if you think about it, it's enormously intelligent, this thing that's running everyone. Yeah. So I definitely plan to talk about some of the books I have, but yes, I have some questions about the Jesuits because to say they run everything, I think right off the bat, a couple of people who've done their own research listening are probably like, hey, that's not exactly the way I structure the hierarchy. So let's get into that. And one of the things is I've heard you say, and I think people know that the white Pope is the forward-facing Pope that everyone knows. And the black Pope is the head of the Jesuit order and holds the real power behind the scenes. And you've said in previous interviews that the Jesuits control, I mean, everything, including China and even Israel. And I think that's something that a lot of people would question. Maybe they haven't heard that before. Help people understand the true scope of Jesuit power and how they could be controlling even the strings of Israel. Yeah. Well, you've got the gray Pope as well. People don't know about that individual. The gray Pope is the one that sits between the two. That's the transient element between the black and the white Pope. And so book four is interesting in the reveals that I'm coming out with because I've been liaising with two ex-Jesuits and they've revealed loads of stuff to me that I thought my mind was blown. But when I researched, I found it to be correct. And when I put things in the books, something's got to have four points of reference or six, and then it goes in. If it's less than four, I don't put the work in because then it's a wild stab in the dark, as you would say. And I don't do that. So all my work is very much on point for people to see what I see and then they can go off and do their own research. And there are far greater minds than mine to do this sort of stuff. So hopefully there'll be a wiser individual out there that can take this work and use it. I used to have a massive ego. My father left me nothing and for many years I still had most of it. When I started to earn real money, you know, I used to drive to work in a Ferrari and I had another Ferrari at weekends. Exotic holidays and cars and stuff and stuff and stuff. And be careful what you own. It ends up owning you. So I managed to grow as an individual and get rid of my ego and shake it off. And it's still there. It's still there. But I keep it very much under control. Well, we should all hope to be so lucky as to do that. Obviously, that's part of the journey of life, especially in a consumer-driven culture that loves to feed the ego and give you a little pat on the back for being a good little soldier in the capitalist system. Why go shopping and buy stuff you don't need? To impress people you don't like with money you haven't got. Amen. Yeah, it is a silly thing we're trained to do. So you mentioned four points of reference for something to go into the book. Now, obviously, the Jesuit book I don't have. But give us two of the points of reference for the idea that the Jesuits are the power behind... Let's start with Israel and then maybe we'll do China. But what are two big points that you would say to make the case that China is actually controlled by Jesuits? Okay. So I don't know if you've heard about the heifers that are in Israel at the moment. They've been imported. The red heifers. The red heifers, exactly. And they're looking this year, about now actually, for the sacrifice so that they can rebuild Solomon's temple. So someone's got to press that button and it's not Israel itself. It's the Grey Pope who's behind that. So that's the whole push culture of Israel. China in itself is buying so much property, i.e. ports of countries. They're the access controllers for people to receive goods. So they're controlling all the ports in the world, in America, in England, in Europe. They're buying all the ports up. And without their go-ahead, you can't import or export unless they give you the go-ahead. And again, the Black Pope is behind them. And I go all through this in the book. Do we know the names of the current Black and Grey Pope? Or is that kind of off limits? No, no, that's there. It would be in the books. And I go back to previous ones as well. So don't forget, Jesuit schools are all over the world. So Donald Trump was trained in a Jesuit school. Here in the UK, we've got a guy called Two-Tier Keir Starmer. He was trained in a Jesuit school. All these leaders, or I call them misleaders, are trained in Jesuit schools. And the Jesuit oath, there's three oaths in the Jesuit schools, and they are horrific. They start out horrific, and they just get worse each level in which of the three degrees, which again goes back to Freemasonry, are involved in oaths of office. So this stuff is so multifaceted. There are so many faces to it. It's unreal. And during the COVID idiocracy, you know, that was a Janus ceremony. I don't know. Do you know about the God-worship Janus? Yeah. I mean, obviously, Janus, Janus. It's a big theme of the show, actually. Many guests will say that what the conspiracy culture assumes is Satanism is actually something deeper and more ancient, and a lot of people will point the finger at Moloch or the Watchers in general. And then sometimes I'm hearing Janus now. Janus, Janus, tell us about this entity, why you think this might be one of the premier entities that is being worshipped by the elite. Well, in Rome, Janus' worship was quite important. And when the 11th Legion left Rome, they didn't use the Janus gate. All other legions that left Rome always went through the Janus gate. And the 11th Legion didn't use the Janus gate, and they ended up in Germania trying to break through to get to England. And the Germans ended up decapitating all the soldiers from the 11th Legion, and they hung their heads from trees. So that's where their shiny golden helmets were in the sun with decapitated heads. And then the Germans started to celebrate this every year. And that's where the bauble comes from, on a Christmas tree. And then when Albert, who was a German, married Victoria in England, he brought that celebration, as it were, into the royal homes. And then everyone else wanted a Christmas tree. I won't have a Christmas tree in my house, because I know what it really means. It represents dead soldiers' heads. So this culture goes so deep in every aspect. You've just got to know what you're dealing with. And just going along and following the herd isn't the way to go. The mind is like a parachute. It has to be open to work. And people just don't open their minds to stuff they just follow along, which is disappointing. But my work, I expose everything about what's really going on behind everything. Another one I use is, on the back of your credit card, people see the hologram of a dove. And people are like, they don't realize what that represents. And that was when Jesus threw the moneylenders out of the temple with great anger. It's because if you were wealthy, you sacrificed an ox during that period of celebration. But if you were poor, you lent money, or you borrowed money to sacrifice a dove. So that dove on a credit card represents you're a borrower and you're a poor borrower. So I revealed all this stuff that people just don't realize what's going on. Right. And obviously, I don't have the Jesuit books, so we'll leave some of those details to the future when people get it. But you definitely do include the Jewish elite and the power pyramid in the books that I do have, saying they control the six major media companies and the CEOs of Sony, Disney, Paramount, Fox, Discovery, Comcast, Columbia, Paramount, DreamWorks, CNN, ESPN, Showtime, Nickelodeon, TriStar, Vice, Fandango, Time, Castle Rock, and even TMZ. All these people are Jewish and you include their names in the book. I don't want to go through that list. But you also do a curious thing where you go down to the layer of porn as well, saying the ever-present hookup culture and pornography industries are owned by Jews, including MindGeek, Reality Kings, Pornhub, Grindr, Brazzers, Penthouse, Sex.com, Xvideos, Bang Bros, RedTube, OkCupid, XHamster, Plenty of Fish, Match.com, and Tinder. And you include their names as well. Help us kind of sort out this tangled web because you do have this upcoming book on Jesuit power and these books go pretty deep into Masonic and Jewish power and the history there. It's really not a contest at this point, I guess. I'm sure they're all very interrelated, but talk to us about some of the history of how these groups got so entangled because it seems like they would be somewhat in competition, but I guess either they've been compromised or at a certain point they just decided to play nice with each other because we're the real enemy. I get accused of so many different things and yet I get so many rocks thrown at me, but I'm a builder. I'm hard-skinned. It doesn't bother me. Let them vent their spleen. It's healthy for them. I'm helping them stay healthy by letting them vent their anger. I just go where people sometimes fear to tread. If you start talking about Jews, you're immediately called anti-Semitic. I'm not. I'm just anti-cover-up. I'm pro-prima facia on the face of it evidence from the Latin. So if it is what it is, no matter where it goes, in science it's called the Occam's razor analysis, which is as difficult it may seem to discuss and look at, if the facts are there, they're there. The History of Slavery, again, within Book 3, I go into and all the ships that were used to transport slaves were via the East India Company in England and they were all Jewish owners and those sold slaves were Jews. Right. Lopez, Levi, Moses, Simpson, Abrams, Gomez, Roosevelt, and DeWolf were the owners. I want people to understand in your books you don't just guess. You put the names of these people down. You say the economic value of 4 million slaves in 1860 was $1,000 per person on average, $4 billion in total. In 1630, 300,000 white people were shipped from England as slaves. That's a thing that we hear a lot like, hey, it wasn't just black people, it was the Irish, it was white people. And again, it's not a competition, but if you look at the history in totality, then you see like it was about the haves and the have-nots. It wasn't white versus black. And we have a culture now that has been seeded for so long to condition us that it's white versus black and you have hate crimes and you have all this racial tension. But if we really just looked at the wider scope of slavery, again, not a competition who was more enslaved, who was the bigger victim, but you can just see, well, let's look at the people who actually did the crime and who they did the crime to and the commonality is they have power, we do not. So maybe if we were more united and not divided, we could point the finger at the right people. And I just think that this is a really interesting section. It's obviously thorny for some people, but this was a quote I wrote down and I really hope you can elaborate on this, but you say, with this thing going on in 1630 with the 300,000 white slaves, you say, quote, London brothels were raided to provide breeders for the state of Virginia. I mean, that's interesting. So we've heard the idea before. Even Epstein had apparently women or wanted, his fantasy was women chained to a bed popping out his kids as long as they could. It's so sick that that's how a human being would be treated as just like a breeder. But for the state of Virginia, that's a curious detail. What was going on in the state of Virginia that had them logistically work out, we need some whores from London to populate this state? Virginia was a state that had a huge overpopulation of white men. And they were finding all sorts of trouble with the men at weekends when they'd rather go and have a fist fight and a few beers than spend time in a marital home. So they thought it was a good idea to bring in women to balance the male-female numbers, if you like, to calm the men down. So that's what that was all about. But the whole slave thing, we've all got to get on. We can't have this us-and-them attitude. I speak to everybody when I first encounter them like I like to be treated. And once I know what they are all about, I then make the decision to stay in touch with them or let them go their way and I wish them well. I've got a very different way of living in the world now. I used to wear the corporate suit and the collar and cuffs and don't forget that's what you do to a slave. You put cuffs on them and chain them. You put a collar on them and then you tie them up. That's where the tie comes from. Originally, it was from Czechoslovakian assassins that the Pope thought was a nice dress culture and that's where the corporate culture of a suit, cuffs, and tie comes from. It goes back to slavery. Wow. I mean, that is really interesting. It makes sense. And that's what I like about your work most is just identifying why are things the way they are and where do we get these things from? And the symbols and codes really are everywhere. If I was just to take a recent example, last week, it was all about the Blue Origin space flight, which not only looked like bad CGI, but it's about as phallic as could possibly be. Obviously, rockets are already phallic, but they don't always have a pronounced head and shaft like the Blue Origin rocket does. And then, you know, it's filled with women who are all wearing jewelry and necklaces. You would think that might be considered a hazard in a true high G-force zero-gravity environment. You'd probably, you can't even get on a roller coaster with some of that shit that they had on. So that's goofy, but the main thing people picked up on was the mission patch where it looked like a goat head upside down. It looks like Baphomet's head. And a lot of these things, either you see it or you don't, or people will say you're stretching or not. But man, if you just think about the process of designing something, and if you were tasked with this rocket needs to look like a goat head upside down, it's harder to do it better than they did it. It's a dead ringer. You can't dismiss it. No, you can't. So I like that the culture, as you say, people are waking up. More people are picking up on that. More people are looking at the space flight with a critical eye and saying, I've seen better CGI in movies. Armageddon looked more real than this shit that I just saw. So we're not just taking it all at face value anymore. That's a good thing. Absolutely. And with all my work, I mean, book one, there's certain elements in there. Most of my followers are actually female, which is really odd. You know, 70 plus percent is female, which is very strange. But because I balance my view, I don't come at it from a male point of view. I try to come at it from a balanced point of view, male and female. And that seems to resonate with a lot of females because I don't impose my patriarchy on things. I try to do it in a very balanced way. And there was one element within book one and I explained that marriage isn't about marriage. I've been married for 24 years and happily so. And I didn't realize it, but I've been through a breeding ceremony. That's what it was. We used to have to ask permission from our owners to breed. And that's where the term animal husbandry comes from. So to control a female horse, because they see the female as a horse within the ceremony, it's a mare. And what do you need to look after a mare? Well, you need a groom because a groom looks after a horse. And to control that horse, you need to put headgear on it. And that's called bridalry. That's where we get the term bridal wear. And if the female mare is uncontrollable, it's not a male and then she becomes a night mare. That's where these terms come from. And if the three trimesters don't happen, the carriage is empty. It's a miscarriage. And everything within a wedding ceremony is all horseshoes. It's nothing to do with luck. It's to do with breeding horses. That's where these origins come from. I go places that other people just, I look at the world very differently to other people when I'm a constant book reader. I go through like two, maybe three books a week. You're going to give Cat Williams a run for his money. So, yeah, I don't have a TV. I don't have a tell-allive vision. Just avid book reader and old books as well. And that's a good point too. I love the tell-allive vision and I love the terms programming and entertainment, entertainment. I think that the language is very telling. This was a detail kind of along the lines of Blue Origin, just along the lines of like a mission or a craft going out and doing a thing and everybody knows about it. One little detail in your New World Order book that sent me down a fun rabbit hole because I'm super interested in where works of fiction seem to predict major events. Well, I often cite the book Futility or The Wreck of the Titan as a great example. Written by a well-connected sea merchant named Morgan Robertson about the unsinkable SS Titan which hits an iceberg and sinks in the North Atlantic Ocean. Total foreshadowing of the Titanic story 14 years in advance. But then, in your book, you brought up the events of 2023 and you write, As the wreck of the Titanic dissolves, rumors mount that it is becoming more obvious that it's actually the Olympic that lies on the ocean floor. Further controversy is started due to the Ocean Gate incident where a private submarine called Titan is visiting the vessel and implodes. Some saying deliberately sabotaged to prevent its owners and passengers from discovering the Titanic was destroyed by controlled demolition, not an iceberg. All visits to the site are now banned. So, I had forgotten that this submarine was called the Titan which is very eerie. It's a more on-the-nose hit for that book. And the company is called Ocean Gate which is a term that implies scandal. We call everything Watergate, Button Gate, all these weird gates, obviously. So, the name of the company is set up to imply a scandal like this and then the Titan implodes 111 years from the sinking of the Titanic which is like just one of those numbers I'm like, is this a ritual too? And, wait for it, the icing on the cake, the other book written by Morgan Robertson is called The Submarine Destroyer. I mean, Jesus Christ. These are the things that keep me up at night, Gary. Well, when I heard the term Ocean Gate, that's what got me onto it. It was like, oh, hang on a minute, there's something going on here because I'm always very aware of terms and words. So, when I see 1111, when I see 33, things kick my mind into place because then I'm like, oh, there's something here. There's something to be found. And, unfortunately, I always find them because I'm a good researcher. I'm a good digger. I keep going until I find what I need to find. I'm a bit relentless. Would I say I'm OCD? I don't think so. I've got a photographic memory and I am O recess negative. So, in Darwin's theory, I don't exist because you don't get an O recess negative monkey. So, I've got all the traits of O recess negative. So, I've got two different color eyes. I've got an extra vertebrae in my spine and I repair extremely quickly. And, I was born on Janus Day as well, which is interesting. So, with the secret societies, I think, if with intent they'd have used me, I think I'd have been quite useful to them. But, I do it the other way. I use my efforts to help people, not control people. noble. And, let's talk about blood a little bit. It's not necessarily a major theme in the books that I have here, but it is a conspiracy theme for sure. What do you think is going on there? Because, we don't know a lot about human origins. There definitely seems to be some strange stuff there with all the different blood types and the way that they interact with each other and the effects that they have. RH negative blood is something that they seem to focus on. They obviously paid a lot of attention to their family trees, the elite did, for so long. And, these genealogies you just see in museums are like 200 generations. It's like most regular people can't even go back three generations. I mean, blood's really important to them. And don't forget the electrolysis of blood. We need blood. And the first thing they do when you're in, you're taken into hospital is they give you salt water because the messages within the blood line speeds up and therefore it rehydrates you and gets things going good and proper. And another fact that I put into one of the books is that in the Western culture we embalm the dead to preserve them for longer for casket opening ceremonies if you like. But when they evacuate the body of blood and fill you with formaldehyde where do you think that blood goes? I don't know. It goes into the drains and it goes into the water system. It goes into the public water supply? The public water supply. Dang. Well, I mean, they do have the terms, you know, grey water, black water. I never thought much about it but if you have a drain in the mortuary, it's probably connected like the toilet or the bathtub or the sink to the public pipes. Kind of creepy. Yep. You know, blood has memory. When you get a blood transfusion, they usually knock you out because your body goes into a bit of a panic and you take on the traits of that person's blood that you're taking in. So that's why they generally knock you out to get your body to allow itself to settle down with another individual's life source. So these things have great importance and don't forget in 1776, very infamous year for the Americans as well, but 1776, Adam Weishat, when he decided to start the Illuminati, he did it in Ingolstadt in Germany and like I visit in book three with all the year-by-year growth of the New World Order as it increased from a thousand years ago to now, Adam Weishat said, when we arrive and reveal ourselves, we will do so on a sea of blood. So this blood stuff and discussion is really important to them and I even in book three visit literature. There are people in literature that were trying to warn us. I mean, if you look at War and Peace by Tolstoy, the whole story of that one is the protagonist in Russia was trying to set up a branch of the Illuminati and the government went after him. That's what the story's about. And then if you jump to Mary Shelley, when she was 19, she wrote Frankenstein and Frankenstein is the name of the creator of the monster, not the monster itself. So I found that a very strange sway on things. Whenever people say the word Frankenstein, you think of the monster. Right, but it's Dr. Frankenstein. Yeah, Victor Von Frankenstein. You don't think it's him. And don't forget in the tale that she told, and I found it quite interesting because I've researched her family and her father was a Freemason and I think he was approached by the Illuminati. to join because within the tale, Victor Von Frankenstein was going to leave his mother's castle and go to Geneva to learn surgery. But his mother died and left him the castle where he could undertake his experiments against God and create against humanity by creating this thing. Guess where the castle was? It was in Ingolstadt in Bavaria where the Illuminati was set up. And I think she was warning to say something's being created here and it's very dangerous. And she was only 19. Damn. Well, on the subject of monsters, I've actually heard you say that when you go into court, you take an Oxford English dictionary and a Black's Law dictionary and ask which language the court wants to use and that pisses them off. But in the book, you say the Black's Law dictionary defines person as a thing, monster, object, or entity. And it defines a thing as tangible and intangible dead. So a person is dead to the law, but also interesting that the biggest website for recruiting a person is monster.com, a name that makes no sense without the context of this Black's Law thing. What else did you learn going along these lines? I mean, the first book is so full of the language around law and commerce. It's really crazy in the financial realm even. Like, here's some of the words I wrote down that relate to water. Account, current, currency, balance, absorb, debtor, tender, draft, trader, cash, exchange, stocks, bonds, channel, rebate, liquidity, watermark, circulation, frozen assets, bailed out, flush with cash, overdrawn, overdraft, capital, loan, float, use of money, bankrupt, sunk, head above water, offshore banking, inland revenue, launder, keel, drained of cash, income stream, flow, pipeline of cash, and awash with cash. Now, some of those aren't exactly technical terms towards the end there, but it does go deeper than just hand-waving it away as language adopted by sea merchants at the time out of convenience, right? Talk to us about just law and commerce and the language that we take for granted. It's all admiralty maritime law. Everything is contract, offer, acceptance, and consideration. You make an offer, someone accepts, and the contract is clear, and then you've got your consideration, which is an exchange of something. I give you cash, I give you chickens, you know, that's what the consideration is. So offer acceptance and consideration. Our birth certificates pertain to be exactly that, but there's no clarity within what they've actually done to us with our birth certificates, and that's why I visit all that in the first book. So, yeah, it's about being a slave, being controlled. Don't forget, you cannot hang a slave. You can't use those terms. You've got to use the laws of Lynch, and Lynch was a guy who wrote the Ten Rules of How to Control a Slave in America. So a free man can be hung, but a slave can be lynched, but not hung. You've just got to know what all these words mean and their origins, and that's what they cover up. They don't want us to know this stuff, because it gets you thinking, and they don't want people who can think. No, they want you to be able to run the machines just about. Usually, someone can repair the machine, but doesn't know how to run the machines. But a man that can repair the machines and run the machines, then he becomes dangerous. So, two types of people in the world. There's those who lean on people and those that lift people, and I'm a lifter. You know, I want people to be where I'm at or above me. I want people to have their little ones, as I call them, halflings. I don't use the terms that people use every day. I want their halflings to be far more intelligent than me. And I want them to know stuff early on so they don't have to unlearn and then relearn again because that's what the process I had to go through, and that's quite painful. I want them to know the truth from the outset because then it's easier. Then they've got the big picture, and that's what it's all about, right? So the rabbit hole of the birth certificate is something that I went down a couple of years ago. The Jordan Maxwell stuff really woke me up to just how crazy deep it is, and when you have the straw man argument, you know, you have the name and capital letters, that's the legal fiction, and you're representing the legal fiction through your life, and you go on to say that energetic language is really infused into the justice system in the sense that a person is charged with a crime. If you refuse an arrest, you go to a holding cell where you could be bonded out. These are all terms of electricity. An assault and battery would be when one person hurts another. Hurts is the term we use for measuring electricity. Pretty interesting that it's all energy-based, and you say a lot of this comes from the papal bulls where specific ones were created to enslave humanity. The church created a flat earth system during these papal bulls. Four corners rule, as you say. They made 3D people 2D by bringing them down to paper. Elaborate on some of that history and how things that end up in the justice system and the legal system actually have an origin in papal bulls. Yeah, well, it's not justice, it's just us and we're not part of the us, which Harlan used to say. They needed the paperwork to create the legal fictions in the person. So they needed to take us from a 3D creature that walked the earth in a flesh-colored skeletal thing onto paper. So that's why they invented the four-corner rule, which was to get us onto paper and therefore create the person under the birth certificate. And in the UK, when you get an official document from the government, it's a brown envelope and there's a window on the envelope and there's the box that is, see through the envelope and your name is in it. Well, the brown represents the soil, the box represents your coffin and your name is in it, which is why when you're signing any legal document, it has to be black ink because that represents congealed blood. If you do it in red ink, they'll refuse it and it always says sign within the box. That means you're going to stay in your coffin because if you sign outside the box, that represents you trying to get out and they don't like that. Interesting. I never really thought much about that, but it is funny that the three main colors of ink are red, blue and black all represent blood in one stage or another. Well, you've got the blue bloods, haven't you? Those that rule. So that's their color. Our color is black and red is those that are alive or the controllers. So they know what that represents or represents and that's why royals walk on a red carpet. That's not a red carpet, that's a bloodline. That's their representation. So all this stuff that I write about, yeah, it gets quite convoluted, but I try to put it in such a way that people can get it quite easily as opposed to like struggle with the thought processes. I put it in such terms that not only the lump and proletariat, but those that also have an intellect in themselves can see this stuff and then share it, share the information. You know, it's important. Everyone needs to know. The little ones need to know it urgently. They should be introduced to this stuff very early on because then everything else just as they try to be indoctrinated, it won't make sense to them because they then have the thought process of saying, hold on, that really means. Yeah, you know, we were talking about this a little bit before we got started that I have two young kids and I struggle with how to go about this because I don't want to create weirdos that are so outside the box that they can't even enjoy having friendships and relationships with regular people because it can get to that level and I also don't necessarily want to make little mini-me's and I also think there's something to be said about awakening and the realization of some of these things. Like, would it have the same impact if I wasn't indoctrinated and asleep for the first 16, 18 years of my life? I kind of think that, like using the matrix analogy, if you start awake, you maybe take for granted how mind-blowing the awakening process can be and how everyone else is asleep. So I'm kind of trying to balance that with my own kids. Like, I kind of want to shepherd an awakening but I don't necessarily want them to not see the system for what it is for at least maybe a decade or so where they're still living under my roof. I don't know exactly how to go about it but I'm trying to thread a delicate needle. I've got over 20 godchildren so I literally am the godfather. There you go. I've got no children of my own but I get to hand them all back with a broken leg or whatever because that's what happens at my house. It's a chaos. Over the Christmas period for Christ's mass period my house is full of other people's children who all get on and they all help each other and I find the informative years of introducing some of this stuff is about 11. If you do about 11 then you can make it fun like once a week just say have you ever thought about the banking system and they're all water terms and explain it and then they'll take that on board. They won't realise it up front but they'll take it on board. On board another term for a ship. Well yeah. So yeah and when a word comes up about banking or whatever you just throw it in there and say remember what that meant. They were like yeah it means your ship's terms. So make it fun don't make it like yeah the blood in the water system you end up drinking. You know you do it in such a way that they just become inquisitive and that's what I've done. It's almost like you've given them a suit of armour to protect themselves from indoctrination because they're looking at it from a different perspective. They take it on board what they're being told but in their own mind's eye they've got that self doubt about what they've been told and that makes very interesting individuals because then they're starting to think for themselves and that's what you want. you don't want to teach someone what to think you want to teach them how to think. Once they grasp that and they think for themselves then you've got a beautiful spirit in the world. That's what we're going for. So sticking with energy a little bit like those terms about being arrested and charged and all that you had this career in surveying and architecture and construction and you talk about cathedrals being energy centers. This is a theme I'm very attracted to. It's just super interesting. So some of the examples are very visual like a charge coil looking exactly like a meditation maze that you'll find on the floors of several cathedrals. Like why is an electronic device the same as this meditation maze? So I've even heard the point made that cathedral and cathode are related words. how has your expertise and career helped you understand the original purpose of these buildings as energetic in nature? I was also qualified as a ecclesiastical surveyor and you have to go through a lot of training in religious architecture to understand what you're looking at in terms of the building's structure if you like as you're trying to analyze if a building's got a difficulty or is in trouble in some way. So you have to be taught the reasons behind some of the architecture. I mean people don't realize that the vaults under a church that you don't have straight floors. They're all concave. All the floor structures are concave and pews in a church are designed in such a way that they're designed to be knocked over. So when they're knocked over you haven't got a flat floor because in the Bible the devil has no ankles and therefore cannot walk upon anything other than a flat floor. So there's reasons behind all these elements of a church. The original name is Kirk and a Kirk is a place, a Scottish church, they don't call them churches, they call them Kirks. And Kirk is the word for Mother Circe that she lived in the woods and would take you in, feed you and then eat you, which is in the tale of Conan the Barbarian. Hansel and Gretel. These witches in the woods, yeah, they're all about Mother Circe. So when you break all this stuff down and you start looking at Kirk and understand what its architecture is all about and then you find these Schumann Resonance patterns in the Kirk's floor. And a Schumann Resonance is one of these things that you can charge your mobile phone up with just by throwing them on it. And also you can discharge your mobile very quickly. You know, it takes an hour to charge your phone up, but you can discharge it in like four minutes. And these Schumann Resonances, they're all over the world. They're in churches, Kirk's all over the world. They exist. And so were they energy devices? It's worth a discussion. And then you've got all the other histories that go along with the churches, their patterns, their layouts, the topography, direction in which they've been constructed. They're all identical. And were they machines that gave people power or removed people power, given all the patterns of the windows and ideas on Tartaria? It's a whole thing that needs to be looked at and discussed, but the authorities don't like that. So I think we've had a number of resets and we're in a reset at the moment. And it's about holding on to the pre-reset story, you know, recorded, have it dated, because otherwise lest we forget. Yeah, I agree with that. And I think part of the error and maybe the conspiracy research that goes into cathedrals and the idea of Tartaria and old Antiquitech is I just think that we've been tainted by Hollywood to think these things are so epic when really they're pretty subtle. but you can look over at electroculture and some of the spiritual meditation people and see that there is an effect of just a pyramid structure, just a copper mesh structure of a pyramid, put over some plants, we'll make them grow. It doesn't make lightning strike and, you know, swirls from space come around there, you know, that point. it's not super noticeable or epic, but it is an effect. And I think that probably with these cathedrals, it was something similar. You're going in here, you're probably taking something a little stronger than wine and a cracker. You're looking at these stained glass, psychedelic windows. You're hearing the chanting, you're hearing the pipe organ, and you're also under the spire that is drawing down energy. A lot of these things are very close to what indigenous cultures do outside, the chanting, the drumming, rhythmic, getting yourself into a certain ecstatic state. So you just do that and you throw a little bit more on it. You put it in this building, you make the window stained glass. You know, they say the same thing about Persian rugs. Persian rugs are very psychedelic because people were looking at them while tripping and having experiences. And then they said, hey, magic carpet, it flies. Going back to some of the Christmas stuff, I mean, that's what John Michael Allegro said, is that people were eating mushrooms that came from reindeer shit. They grew in reindeer shit, and they're watching the reindeer fly. So we have two different cultures, totally separated, that are having these traditions of flying based on something very near and associated that is psychedelic. And I think that the churches and cathedrals are somewhat similar before they were co-opted and taken over by religious authorities. Yeah, I mean, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, all the dwarfs who drug users, you had Dopey, you had Sleepy, you had Happy, all supplied by the dealer who was at the dock. Yeah, I love that. And in your book, this is really funny because this came up recently on the show that I don't even know, it might have been cut from a previous interview, actually, but there are some people who say that the Seven Dwarfs are the Seven Chakras, and there's some that say they're the Seven Deadly Sins, and you can find like five out of seven are decent matches, but it falls apart a little bit like Dopey. I mean, it's not a sin to be dumb, but, you know, Sleepy could be Sloth. Like, there's some analogies there, but it's a much better analogy to say that they were cokeheads because it's the stages of drug use. It's the stages of cocaine. I mean, I've been around a little bit, but, you know, happy, angry, like when you come down, you're angry, then you're sleepy, dopey, you've done too much, and then yes, the leader, oh, Sneezy, also, like, I mean, some of that stuff messes with my allergies. You shouldn't be putting stuff up your nose. Bashful, maybe that's the one that's the least associated, but yes, all supplied by the doc, and what does doc have? He has a little fanny pack where he's got the powder in there, and Snow White, Snow White right there. You got the snow, you got the white. I think you nailed it. I think it's a coke thing. But once you see this stuff in my work, you know, some of it's very dark, but I try to keep it quite light as well, and at the end, I always try to have solutions. You know, I'm not about just throwing popcorn at the TV and walking away. It's about having solutions and balancing your mind's eye so that you can go about your day. You're just looking at the day a little bit differently than you did yesterday. Amen. And as we're kind of wrapping this thing up, I've also heard you say in interviews that we live in a false flag reality, and I agree that if you look at almost all major wars or big radical changes, they're usually triggered by an attack that often has a lot of red flags or false flag indications in there. Well, they say we're at the doorstop at World War III and the doorstep of World War III, I guess. And it's hard to talk about these things when they happen because everybody's so highly charged and emotional, like the Israel thing that happened October 7th or 8th, the hang glider thing. You can't talk about it because everyone's so highly charged. Well, we are in a period before everybody's going to get super highly charged by something that happens. What sort of false flag would you consider to be most likely to see the real reality of World War III kicking off? What would you look for that might come to pass in the next year or two? Financial collapse. Financial collapse. Yeah, well, they're working on that pretty hard over here. Yeah, it's financial collapse because the dollar runs everything. And if the dollar collapses and everything will collapse and things will get very ugly very quickly because everyone will want their stuff. And if they haven't got the money to pay for the stuff, then they'll take the stuff. And then you've got to think, I think the American dynamic is there's like 16,000 people to every one police officer. I mean, the police aren't going to be out there, are they? It's not a job you're going to be wanting to do. So that's when things get really difficult. So there needs to be a new currency for definite. And even all the stuff I write about that's dark, you know, the legal system could work or it is legal. It's not lawful. Difference between legal and law are two very different things. Common law and legal. All these things could work, only it's being run by the madmen. You know, the madmen are running the asylum and it's like, if they behave themselves, then everything would be good, right? In humanities, if you look at the aboriginal system and the American Indian system, the success of the village was always viewed by how the poorest man was doing. So that gave a judgment of how good the leader is. And one thing you had to do if you became in charge of the village, you'd always be looked after an old age, you'd always be cared for, you'd always be fed, that the one thing you had to do when you became the chief is give everything away that you owned to the village and you could never, ever own anything again for the rest of your days because all your intention is for the best, for the village, not yourself. And we call those people savages. Well, I don't see many politicians behaving like that, do you? No, no. God, no. So, yeah, I think financial collapse is definitely there. And then, you know, there's also the argument that if you can trigger a financial collapse, well, now you got to trigger the war cycle because how does money get going again? It's always with some war. And the guests I've had have said most likely we might see the UN perform a false flag on the US and blame Russia to engage us back in that thing that we kind of got away from. Or, of course, Israel, they love to do false flags. Israel might do a false flag on the US and blame Iran. So it'll be blamed on Russia or Iran. It'll come from the UN or Israel most likely, and China will take Taiwan while the US is over committed. Well, Israel are quite dangerous because they have something called the Samson response, which basically is if they don't exist in the world, then the rest of the world shouldn't exist. That's their mentality. Yeah. So they're mutually assured destruction kind of thing. Yeah. Fun. That is just insanity on steroids. It is. Man, but what do you think about those possibilities? Do you think that, and I only say, obviously, I'm in the US, so it's US based, but it is the largest military. And if you're going to try to kick off a world war, you're going to try to trigger the largest military military to act. And these would be some potential triggers, some powder kegs that are sitting there. The UN is a little mad at the US right now, like, hey, get back over here, send the tanks, send the missiles over to Ukraine. And I could see that being a catalyst saying, well, we had to do it. We had to perform this action for the greater good. I think that's how they get these little foot soldiers to act. But I think those are the two most likely. I mean, it's a role reversal of the Cuban missile crisis, isn't it? The only reason Russia's kicking off is because they're having weapons on their back door. It's the same with Cuba. The communists were moving missiles into an area where it was easy to reach Florida with such weapons. So what's going on now? It's just a role reversal. And America's got involved because, as I say, they make more money out of war than any other culture at the moment. It used to be the British. They were good at it for a long time. But it's been overtaken by the good old USA. But the people don't want this. It's the misleaders that want this. And they're arguing among themselves in a mine's bigger than yours situation. And they're moving weapons onto their back door. The Russians have the right to say, no, we're not having this. We don't want this. They don't exist now. And they shouldn't exist. So, you know, stay out of our sand pit and we'll stay out of yours. Yeah, I agree. And I think the game that the elite have always played is further centralization. And you have a thing like NATO where if anyone in here has any kind of problem, then the whole machine has to respond. And it's like, yeah, you are setting up the conditions for a world war to happen where no one can say no because you've written it on a piece of paper that you must now go kill six figures worth of people. It is really insane. That old black and white movie, Peter Sellers, what was it called? Dr. Strangelove. And then the table was like 30 people sitting around a big eye-shaped table. And two guys kick off and they start having a go. And Peter Sellers gets in between them and separates them. He says, gentlemen, there's no fighting in here. It's a war room. That's the mentality of these people. Right. We just plan the fighting. They do it out there where we're safe in here. Yeah, the script kind of stays the same and it's just the characters that rotate around. And it's crazy that they keep so many people distracted and asleep when they don't really change the tactics all that much. It's not that sophisticated. So it is kind of sad that more people don't realize it. But man, this has been really enjoyable. We covered a lot of ground in these three books and even a future book. Tell people where they can see your presentations, get the books, all that good stuff. Yeah, I've got a very simple website. I don't use Amazon anymore. I've got enough followers to do my own thing very peaceably. But if you go to Gary Fraum, that's F-R-A-U-G-H-E-N-G-A-R-Y-F-R-A-U-G-H-E-N garyfraum.co.uk. It's all there. Love it. Come and have some fun. Yes. Well, thank you for doing it. I look forward to how deep the future books are going to go. And keep up the great work and take care. You took off yourself and yours. I will try. So say we all. It is good to be back. This is one I recorded right before the big trip to Amsterdam and Monaco. Had to make sure I had something on deck when I got home. Didn't know what kind of state I would return in. Travel in general is pretty immunosuppressive for me. But it worked out. I'm feeling good. And of course, the Pope died in the time since. Always some sort of relevant news when I try to take a quick break. And we started this episode talking about the White Pope and the Black Pope as an example of Jesuit control behind the curtain. Jesuits are certainly up there. And I think in the realm of charities and land ownership through charities, there's probably a lot to all that. But I'm still a bit unclear on the arguments that the Jesuits control China and Israel. Again, clearly they're high on the totem pole. But I just never heard that specifically before. I wish I had the Jesuit book to suss out more detail there. But that's why I like going through his books in general. Lots of material. And oftentimes he gets beyond the same old stuff. And I tried to be sure to pull out the most unexpected or unique things that he chose to write about. His New World Order book really is a super thorough 70-page timeline. I think it's a resource that's worth having handy for anyone. This was a plus show thing, but it's great to have someone cover the Deagle depopulation numbers again. A lot of people seem to have forgotten that. But of course, it was a prediction made about this year. And I never want to overemphasize it. They aren't some all-knowing organization. Conspiracy culture just latched onto it because as a serious forecast, it's so damn radical and bold that it makes people think, how do we get from here to there? And now we're in that year, and it's already May, basically close to halfway through. And sure, there's a multi-front World War III looming, but I think it's closer to what Gordon has said based on his blended cycles. It's more of a next-year thing. Which also lines up with what the ladies said to Chris Bledsoe, funny enough, if you want to incorporate that sort of data too. And World War III wasn't even the justification Gary had for those numbers. That's just what's in my head. He thought it was more of a jab sort of thing, and I don't know. I think there are subtle effects to the jab that we don't know about yet. SV40 and previous instances with polio caused cancer 30 years later, so there might be a long arc on this thing. But if you're looking at the number and you're trying to reverse engineer how it could be possible, yeah, the jab would have to be in the top three speculative answers for sure. I don't know if it's my number one, though. But either way, 70% population reduction in the U.S. is insane, 78% in the U.K., and you never know. The way consciousness seems to affect reality, maybe they just seed this stuff hoping that if enough people believe it and think that it comes from some sort of authority on the matter, maybe we bring it about just by expecting it. I'm sure that's at least being studied to a pretty intense degree. And of course, I wouldn't want to contribute to that, but the point is that a lot of predictions get made and thrown out, but we don't follow up on them near the actual time they were referring to, and I'm glad that happened today. We did it in the second hour. We also talked about land ownership and Jesuit-controlled charities, currency and economic symbols and important laws, the power of numbers and the science of magic squares, champagne and giants, that was a weird one, though I am no sommelier. We talked about the influence of the Frankfurt School, history and cataclysmic resets, floods and pole shifts, AI and the cloud and the Akashic Record. As you know, we are 15 years independent and ad-free based on the subscription model, and it can all be yours for the low cost of $8 a month. Links at the top of the show notes, yada, yada. But Gary ended up being a pretty good suggestion. Thanks to John Peters for that. He's highlighting good stuff at the alternative view. Click on the links there in the show notes as well. And it's good to be back home. Not a lot to report in Higher Side News, but let's check out the rating of the last show, which was Ryan Bledsoe, which was a 4.6. I already looked, but that is solid. Lots of people have feelings about ufology and that whole world and the figures in it, but I think it deserves a good score. Lots of random fun stuff in that episode. And in the time since that interview, Joe Rogan had hell put off on, of all people. I haven't listened to it yet, but how could I not? Also, Lou Elizondo is out there with another fake photo, or at least a highly suggested fake photo. I guess there's no way to really know, but he's becoming less trustworthy with every announcement. But yeah, I'm happy with that interview with Ryan getting a 4.6. Can't complain. Trying to keep the quality high, but conversations are organic. You never know exactly what's going to happen. And as for the meetup calendar, the other thing we do every time around here, the next events on deck would be going all the way down to May 26th, Gail Brath's Ale House in Auckland, New Zealand. I feel like I've said that many times. I think it's recurring. And then June 1st, Huntington, Indiana, Heartland Harbor, and June 8th in San Antonio, Texas at Halcyon Southtown. Also one I think I've called out before. Love San Antonio. Thoroughly enjoy that river walk. But yes, only three events in the next 30 days. I would say hop on Hiresidemeetups.com, RSVP if you want to go to one of those, or create your own event. It's free. It's open to anyone who wants to do it. And it helps expand your local network, especially when things get a little hot. Anyway, thanks for sticking with me. Thanks for being a Plus member. If you are, check out Gary's books if you like what he had to say. Take care of you and yours. I've done my part. Your move, New World Order adepts, occult control controllers, and black popes of power. Your fucking move. Is it accidental how things end up? Or is life ritually planned right from the jump?