Janice McAfee | John McAfee Didn’t Kill Himself, $WHACKD, & The Dead Man’s Switch

side chatters doing what we do from the sunshine state i'm greg carlwood and we know that blackmail material dirt and compromise are major factors in how power really works in the big machine and some very dark things are done to cultivate that material from various forms of well-crafted compromising scenarios and engineered entrapment often involving planting assets in one's life honeypot operations and as we've seen several times before from the franklin scandal to didion epstein sex parties and prostitution and houses rigged to the brim with surveillance equipment and in recent years we've learned enough to know that the rot runs deep and there's plenty of dark secrets to keep in a given file well antivirus and cyber security pioneer john mcafee had the expertise and opportunity to acquire such information and claimed on much more than one occasion to have acquired a good sum of it on a wide range of powerful people through spyware so when he dies of an alleged suicide in a spanish prison after repeated claims he would never kill himself and not to trust reports that say he did even going so far as to launch a token called whacked and get it tattooed on his arm i think it's right to be a bit skeptical and worth looking into a bit further and here in the studio with me to talk about all things john mcafee and the sketchy details of the official story is the wife he left behind janice mcafee after 10 years as a prostitute in miami he became her john with a capital j and it turned into love and marriage and they were together for eight years before his aforementioned death on june 23rd 2021 she now tries to keep his legacy alive and keep the pressure on when it comes to what increasingly seems like a cover-up so let's get into it with the infamous mrs mcafee tamer of a true wild man janice thanks for being here thank you for that awesome introduction my my john with a capital j i thought that was clever that was very clever thank you for that oh man so i'm really happy that this worked out that we could do this in person obviously we all know it's very hard to lose the ones we love especially with so many unanswered questions and i hope for this we could kind of work backwards and build up to some of the big mysteries that i see so many posts about when you go down the john mcafee rabbit holes so let's start with his death in a barcelona prison in june of 2021 he was arrested eight months earlier on u.s federal charges of tax evasion failure to file tax returns and promoting cryptocurrencies for personal gain without reporting the income he was set to be extradited back to the states and the official story is that he committed suicide in his cell by hanging via shoelaces before that could happen now let's start out with why people should doubt that official story what are the big red flags that something is off the first thing i think was that the prison opened up an investigation into his death i don't think as i was told that's not usually the standard procedure right you die you die that's it and and you know that's all that there is to it and also that was suspicious because it was actually the prison it had to have been the prison that leaked the information of him being dead in the first place right and so that is also how i found out myself how john um was dead i didn't find out from the prison they didn't call myself or his either of his attorneys to let him know that um he was dead also when i went to the prison to to collect his belongings i was able to speak with the head of the the guards the prison guards he's kind of like the boss of them i guess or a supervisor i don't know exact title and he he was very troubled by john's death it was a surprise and a shock to him a surprise and a shock to everyone in the prison that john was dead because there was no sign of this being on his mind right there was no change in his persona as they knew him you know they knew john to be like a a very engaging guy fun you know laughing cracking jokes very you know always um you know not kind of secluded or anything like that right he was the same self you know even after he had come back from court receiving this news that there was going to be an extradition which by the way was not going to happen within the next day week month or year right it's going to take time yeah which is addressing one of the big things you'll see in the comment sections which is people saying well he knew he was in a lot of trouble he's facing 30 years so he just offed himself and it's like yeah he rage quit yeah rage quit is a great term for it but i definitely don't think that adds up because there could be appeals you know he he's been in trouble before he he's not a stranger to it i think he kind of liked the drama and so i definitely don't think that it makes any logical sense if you know the man that he would do such a thing but his last words to you was i don't know if it was that day but it was i spoke to him that day twice twice that day and he said uh his last words to me was that i love you and i'll call you later um so we had we spoke every day once he was processed and and and he had gone through whatever processes to to get in to the prison you know um getting logged in or whatever and so after that we began speaking every day uh three times a day for eight minutes the calls were only eight minutes long and so we would speak in the morning afternoon and then in the evening and so i spoke to him before he went to court i spoke to him after he went to court neither time would i say that his his mood had shifted or that he didn't sound like himself or or that there was some sort of warning you know in in um either of those conversations he was definitely disappointed with the decision but it wasn't a surprise we knew that they were going to grant the extradition it was obvious but john had a team of attorneys that was working on his case we had two u.s attorneys because there were two cases one in tennessee with related to the taxes and then one that the sec brought later after he was in custody custody um for various um activities related to the crypto uh projects he was involved in then we had two spanish attorneys um the initial attorney was not very well versed in extradition and then we later hired someone who was an expert in extraditions and going up against the u.s we also had a uk attorney because john had dual citizenship so we were working all angles and we all understood that they were going to grant the extradition and we were already prepared for next steps yeah well i think that adds some context to those comments that you'll often see so when you heard he died my understanding is you were brought in to identify the body and you were only shown him from the neck up yeah was anything suspicious about that i mean you didn't get to see the tattoos usually they say that's a good way you identify someone which is what i wanted to see which is why i fought so hard to get his body to be able to see that another factor they still are possessing his body no no no no no no no i i was able to take possession uh december sorry december 14th of um 2023 and um they wouldn't allow me to to see him then either you know i think i that probably was really against their their procedures but i did um i did ask and initially this the woman there she was like i think that's something we could do because john wanted to be cremated and so i wanted to just ask you know can i see him before you before you do this um and the woman initially agreed but then she called someone in some guy came in you know like an hour later and he was completely just completely blocked it and so they wouldn't allow me to to see him i had an opportunity i just didn't have the funds before then as they were um because obviously he would have needed to be thought out you know um so before they could cremate him so had i've had 20 000 euros i i could have paid for um pathologist to come down from madrid to bris to barcelona and and do a an autopsy on him but i just didn't have the money you know within that sort of two day time that it was going to take for him to be prepared for the cremation right on so when when you got him in 2023 in december two years after passing was he cremated yeah when you got possession of him yeah obviously that's an important detail because the internet has a lot of speculations yeah and granted rightfully so right because again it's not as though i was able to to look in the box and see who's in the box so maybe i'm adding to the conspiracy theories here now but and i understand it because we're talking about john mcafee he faked his a faked a heart attack he faked a stroke he's spoken about having doubles but i will say just to address this really quickly anytime that he shared anything online about one of his doubles was not a double it was actually him right so i because i took the pictures and so that's not to say that he didn't have doubles but i'm just saying during the course of our relationship what he reported to be doubles was not sure he liked to mess with people i i get that that's that's obviously why there's so much speculation and it's hard to know what to believe but the doubles thing is interesting i actually had a picture of one of the times where he did this and uh he let's see it well maybe travis can pull it up here but that's my pronoun but he he said that one of the guys you know you can tell by the lips there's a difference and then he said one of the guys has arthritis in his hand and then this guy below kind of it kind of does look but that was did you take these pictures no he took them they're all him ah okay okay he's a jokester yeah there we go very clever um because that one on the bottom does kind of look like an arthritis yeah yeah thing um let's see if you can see um so that that was where we were staying in spain um that background so that's in our in the living room where we were staying did you ever see a double no i never saw it okay he says he keeps him close so i wasn't sure i never saw a double i never had sex with a double i think i saw somebody comment that like how would i know that it's not the real john mcfee i i knew okay so there was yeah there are signs yes the police opened up this investigation and i know that you've said you got to see footage of the actual like event yeah and talk to us about that because you know one of the speculations is that this was faked somehow and i i want to ask you about some things but this is going to be important so tell us what you saw on the police footage you were allowed to see and like is there any possibility that you were fooled by your expectations and it kind of being a match but talk to us about what you saw oh i um what do you mean x a fooled in in what sense uh well you expect to see something that you can take at face value oh right and then in retrospect you might be like hmm uh is it possible that he could still be alive given what i've seen okay so these are questions that i've tortured myself about i'm sorry no it's okay so um and i understand why people have the questions i have i have them and had them as well um so in the footage you see that the hallway is completely empty so it's it's it's a hallway and you have the cells on either side of the hallway john's cell was closest to the camera you see that his door is slightly ajar this um this opened just a little bit that's unusual right off the bat i think so because all of the other doors were completely closed the guard comes and he's walking down the hallway he's looking into the little it's a little um thin window then you can look into the cell and so he's stopping at each uh cell and he's looking at and so when he gets to john's that opening he sees him and then all of a sudden he's like waving and and he's you know trying to get people's attention and so the door then slides open he goes in and you can't see inside the cell you just see that the door is open and you see that he goes in so he goes in um i think he comes out and then another guard comes down the hallway and then there's two of them now in there there's just a lot of commotion now that's that's um happening it's been a while since i've seen this so i'm trying to give you um all the details and so just to skip past all of that uh they then bring john out into the hallway right in front of his cell door and they lay him on the floor and they're kind of just standing around because it's just the guards at this time that have him and you see the uh it's a four four person team medical response team they're coming down the hall you know kind of not in a hurry about it but they're coming down the hall and um they kind of all surround his upper body so there's two there's kind of two on either side up here and then two on either side here and there's one with um i don't know what this apparatus is called they put the thing over the mouth and then they're uh pumping the bag i don't know what that apparatus is called but anyways they have that sure um giving him oxygen presumably and they are doing chest compressions and this goes on for over 10 minutes right um and um then they finally call him call it or whatever and uh they put him back in the cell the door is closed and and that's that hmm and that seems weird for me the red flags came once i saw once i saw the footage but then when i looked into the investigative report once i got that and i you know obviously it's in spanish so it's translated for me um but what they said and was um so it was reported that john was found dead and that was not true he was alive he was breathing and he had a pulse his breathing was shallow he had a faint pulse but he was still alive probably unconscious though so the need for the the giving him oxygen or doing chest compressions i'm not sure why that would have been needed or or if that was just standard procedure so maybe not red flag but just curious yes well he definitely wasn't found dead if they're gonna go and do this you know they would have checked a pulse and been like there's nothing we can do right but they obviously were trying to get him back and then but this is what was initially reported this is what was shared all over the world to the press that he was dead he was found dead so often the little details don't add up with the mainstream report that everybody remembers and i i've heard you say that you also noticed on the video that they didn't take the shoelaces off of his neck is that right i didn't notice that from the video so you can't see that in the video because you can't really see john's face you know but you can see what they're doing but you can't really see see him um but it was going through the the police report the investigative report there were pictures included and and in the pictures the the shoestrings were still around his neck um and it was a lot of shoestrings it's about this thick worth of shoestrings around his neck so and and just to address this quickly because i've heard i've seen people comment and say when you go to prison or when you go to jail they take your shoestrings maybe in america um maybe that's because that is standard procedure they take your shoestrings in your belt they'll take anything that you can use to harm yourself but i don't know that that was procedure in spain because john you know we we were able to send john i was able to send john clothes so i sent him shoes that had shoestrings in them and if that was an issue they would have you know not allowed that so whether that's a discrepancy or not i'm not sure whether they were lenient in that sense to allow him to have his shoestrings i don't know but i do know that he i was able to send him shoes with shoestrings just to address that so the pictures again the pictures had you know him with the noose around his neck and and also another curious thing was that john was um he was found hanging from the window and there was something attached to the window attached to him hanging from the window where that was attached at i don't know it doesn't really say and that whatever it was was burned so they used the lighter to burn it to get him down from the window hmm so so we're talking about evidence being potential evidence being destroyed yes also um when i went to the prison to collect his belongings this gentleman that i told you about who was the head of the the guards he made it a point to let me know that his feet were on the floor when he was found this was something that stood out to me because that is something that john talked about related to jeffrey epstein you know and how could how could he have hung himself and his feet were on the floor not to mention you know jeffrey epstein his neck was broken and you know a few places and and so um it became essential for me to get the full autopsy what what happened was during the investigation that lasted about eight months and they refused to release john's body in that eight months because the investigation was open and so when they tried to attempted to close the investigation i was wanting the autopsy and my attorney advised me that if i didn't um make an appeal for the autopsy now i can't come back and do it later i have to do it now or or or not at all and so that's what i did and instead of them releasing his body they kept his body the entire time while they decided on whether or not to to release the full autopsy report right so on one level i definitely think that the parallel with epstein kind of holds water you got two guys who are in prison in a controlled environment and they apparently have blackmail files on very powerful people then suddenly they both commit suicide in very similar ways and with similar details and one guy specifically said i will never do this and tattooed it on his arm yes it is uh it seems like the same old playbook you know that they've they've done before so to build the argument that powerful people would actually be motivated to kill him in prison talk to us about the story of the raid in belize the gifted computers and how john seemed to acquire some pretty dark deep secrets because it's a little different than the way epstein did it yeah so um so john's living in in belize i'm not sure exactly when he got there or how long he had been living in belize before all of his troubles began but while he was there he he he opened up a coffee shop because he wanted good coffee so he opened a coffee shop and he needed um he opened up a taxi ferry service over the water boat service um because he couldn't get a ferry to come on time you know when he needed to be wherever it was so he opened up that business i think there were several others but he turned all of these over to the locals right also he had built homes for a couple of his girlfriends that he had there and one of them in particular amy she was living in an area that was very dangerous and so he donated equipment and money to the local police so that they could you know do their job and she could be living somewhere that was relatively safe so you know john's there just being john right spurting his wealth whatever and he gets a visit to his property from two representatives from the government asking if he would consider giving a two million dollar donation for exchange for certain perks you know money women land whatever it is that his heart desired and you know he politely declined i guess politely anyways he declined and um he said that a week later they came back um or not those representatives but they sent the gsu which is the gang suppression unit and they raided his property they kept him and all persons on the property handcuffed um i guess on their knees in the sun for like over 12 hours and they destroyed his lab he was working on a topical antivirus and the plant that he was using in the antivirus was uh local to that specific area in the jungle where he was and so um they destroyed that lab and they shot one of his dogs his deaf dog and and so they also arrested him um saying that he had an illegal firearm but he later produced the license for it and they you know dropped those charges and let him go and so then he says a week after that was when those representatives came back and asked him if he changes changed his mind about his donation and he said no if you get off my property right so this for him began war war you know this now he's at war with these people and what he wanted to find was just evidence that he was set up for that raid and he wanted an apology from the prime minister so what john decided to do was gift laptops to various girlfriends boyfriends of people who were high high up in the government now he'd never really named those people or or who exactly they were um he just said high level people within the government and so on these laptops was uh key logging information and spyware and so i wonder why people wouldn't question that oh he's just giving out a lot this is so nice right you're just gonna take that um i guess i must have been really nice laptops i guess maybe but anyway so they they happily accepted these gifts and um i don't even know if he actually personally gave them like how did that even work he never told that part of the story but anyways so they have this information and now john is collecting all of the goods right because imagine if you were into some nefarious activity you have no idea that anyone could possibly be watching you right because you've made sure of that right you've bolstered your security whatever whatever but you have this device now that's been inserted into your vicinity and and so but you're not knowing this so you're still conducting business as usual so imagine the goods that he would have gotten on all of these people um unbeknownst to them and so um this went on for a few months his um collecting this data and he said that he hired women to kind of parse through the information just to find things related to him because again he was looking for evidence that he was set up for the raid on his property and instead he found out about drug trafficking human trafficking murder for hire from the highest levels um within the government um so this was um obviously very alarming yeah yeah uh so travis can you pull up the file jm had massive dirt on corruption so the quote i got from him in an interview he gave is he said i didn't find evidence of the raid but i found out the minister of national defense for belize was the largest drug trafficker in central america and the minister of immigration was the biggest human trafficker and he claimed that he had evidence of deep u.s involvement and corruption through kind of intergovernmental communication that these computers were a part of i mean it seems like he also gave out some other computers who knows exactly who as you say right but i could understand that if there is a network of traffickers of all sorts of unsavory goods that occasionally people within the u.s government communicate with the people in the belize government and there you have it so this is from one of the deep rabbit holes you know conspiracy people they make these mosaics they're not always exactly with full context but this is apparently the top is a quote from his blog which is basically what you said he says i purchased 75 cheap laptop computers and with trusted help installed invisible keystroke logging software on all of them the kind that calls home to me and discords the text files i also on command could turn on and off the microphones and cameras and send these files on command i had the computers repackaged as if new i began giving them away as presents to select people government employees police officers cabinet ministers assistants girlfriends of powerful men boyfriends of powerful women i hired four trusted people full-time to monitor the text files and provide myself with the subsequent passwords for everyone's email facebook private message boards and other passworded accounts the keystroke monitoring continued after password collection in order to document text input that would later be deleted so nothing was missed nothing was missed then this this stuff below the middle one talks about the fact that ricin is made from castor plants and maybe there was some speculation in the lab that like poisons could be made there from common plants in the area yeah and uh then the bottom left is someone claiming that his blog in 2020 completely changed there was a six-year gap between posts and anything before that it has his flavor to it and then after it seems like it's mostly negative about him because um the the person that was running it they they had a falling out okay so you're aware of that you can kind of confirm that and then the bottom uh right he talks about the network of spies yeah says i see here you talk you have something in this anonymous square here where they're talking about the hezbollah providing guns also john had talked about how there was passport selling as well too i don't want to get too deep into that but this was uh also very alarming for him something that was very dangerous i he only mentioned it maybe once or twice um about finding out that information but it was just curious to know that apparently they were being sold belisian passports hezbollah and then that's how they were getting you know to you know they'd get to the bullies and then they're make their way into the states yeah that is really interesting basically that's yeah exactly how the traffickers were getting into the states and yeah big fake passport operation can you pull up jm spies i asked you about this before we started recording because i did not expect this to be you but that's you yes that's me oh my gosh i love it nikki yeah nikki adding keystroke logging software to gift computers this part two post will itself have to be divided into two parts it turned out much bigger than i thought i believe these are his words the photo above is one of the american women working both in miami and in belize frequent government ministers and officials flew to miami two hours from belize city for business pleasure parties or what have you i needed resources in miami to keep tabs on targets nikki is preparing a few computers for delivery to friends of hers in belize she told all of her targets that she had a friend in the computer sales business and that friend could provide computers for 100 bucks each even government officials like a good deal so the computers were easy to place so the reason why i didn't think it does kind of look like you but i didn't think it was you because i didn't think the timeline was a very good fit because you guys met in 2013 2012 2012 december 2012 and i thought the seeding of computers was way before that it was and there probably definitely was a nikki i was not the nikki but obviously he needed someone to post for the oh okay i gotcha all right yeah the difficult thing to bring up to someone who lost uh a person in this fashion is the claims online that he's still alive and it's not just online because you know about the riding with the devil netflix documentary and just let me read this from aarp of all places who wrote an article about john and included this he could still be alive when mcafee was deported from guatemala to the u.s in 2013 he left his girlfriend samantha herrera back in belize he landed in miami and the very next day hired a prostitute janice dyson whom he would later marry dyson was still his wife at the time of his death but it's herrera that we see at the end of the film telling director charlie russell that she got a mysterious call several weeks after his death she said it was john and he told her he paid people off to fake his death and is now living in texas is it true herrera comes off as more convincing than you might think and russell says he doesn't know so i have heard you say that you doubt this and i agree texas would be a weird place for him to hide out but have you ever talked to her about this phone call or getting any more details about it because i would definitely probably want to contact that person and be like what are you talking about um no i never reached out to her about it um because it just it's just for me it reads as bs you know there's nothing she doesn't come off as believable at all but if you don't know her then you wouldn't maybe assume that that she did i mean just the way that it was inserted in there you know um and and the things that she had to say about john were not necessarily favorable but why would he all of a sudden want to call you and and have you but she not only said that he you know had you know people fake help him fake his death she also said that he he said um he wanted her to come and meet him yeah somewhere and come away yeah run away together okay and you have been together for eight years and i'm not saying this as a jealous woman or anything because john had women you know that was just what john did um and and i didn't demand exclusivity from him so it just is what it is but during the course of our being together whenever samantha would call he would actually have me answer the phone right because she would be calling and asking for money you know she'd have some sob story about what's going on and why she needs him to send money now i will say um when john left guatemala and came back to america he spent like the first six months trying desperately to get both samantha and amy to the state because that's what he promised them that he would do that for them and he went to attorneys to help with that but because of all of the heat that he had he was under um he just it just wasn't able to happen i will also say that both amy and samantha um were the girlfriends that i mentioned who had homes built for them john built them homes they were their homes they had the deed they had you know if they wanted to sell the homes they could now amy kept her home at least from what i understood um before john died she kept her home she was doing very well he had put her through school so she was able to graduate from high school got her a tutor she's you know learned taught her english and at the time which was about 2014 2015 she was working for one of the wealthiest persons men on on the island so she had really turned her life around from you know her meeting john you know no longer um working as a prostitute uh but samantha was not the same you know she didn't she wasn't able to turn her life around in that same sense and she actually sold her home for um much less than what it was worth and and so now this is why she was calling john and asking him you know for money so this is what i have to say about that now that's not to say she didn't get a phone call i don't know but i highly doubt it i very highly doubt it that is one of the big reasons why people think he might still be alive and there are others there was a post on a youtube channel from january of this year have you seen this you heard about this so it it looks like him in his normal setup when he would record things it looked a little bit like our wall here yeah black um soundproofing and he'd wear his sunglasses well there was a post on a kind of random youtube channel that doesn't really have anything else to do with him and it's just a short 10 second clip if he says i know what you did and i won't forget or something and i i could imagine there's you so that nobody knows when something was recorded you only know when something's posted right so maybe it was an old clip um i think if if uh and he's wearing like this ring a silver ring in it maybe you have a clip of it i don't think i have that okay i got a lot of stuff but not that okay um i do have i mean i can say this any of the videos that you have seen posted of john since his death are not new none of them are new they're all pre-recorded so then this is the only other uh element of the case that he could still be allowed there was a bitcoin magazine article from uh april of 2024 it says mysterious and one thought dead antivirus mogul john mcafee has been reported by multiple sources to have been seen walking the streets of el salvador one reporter was able to briefly speak with them before being rushed away by security the reporter said mr mcafee we thought you killed yourself in prison why are you alive in el salvador mcafee says i didn't kill myself like epstein didn't kill himself i'm in el salvador for the happening party at this point security shut down the conversation and whisked him away to a private location away from reporters the government of el salvador has yet to respond to the news of a once thought dead fugitive roaming the streets of their country many are speculating that john mcafee could be joining max kaiser as an advisor for the country who kelly has been reportedly very worried about malware attacking the country's critical infrastructure and mcafee's expertise in antivirus could be very useful for national security reasons of course people know el salvador is the bitcoin country so he could have an interest but i thought this was a pretty interesting that's very interesting i was my the first of um the first me hearing of it okay i'm bringing something yes you are bringing something and i will say i would love for john to have made it out of there i would love for spain to not have been his end not in that way because he deserved better of course like i don't want to give you false hope but i'm just saying look these are the things that are speculated about the parallels with epstein too that's another thing a lot of people think that he got out like he was too valuable and that he's probably doing what he was always doing just under some pseudonym now and that brings up another thing i was going to get to eventually but there is drone footage of epstein apparently it looks like him you know he's looking up at a drone and it's on the island after he was supposedly dead so but you just said you know we don't know when these things were recorded yeah exactly well that in that case we kind of have an idea because there's the rusty shackleford stuff now i know just by your reaction yeah so rusty shackleford made this an account under the pseudonym and took a drone to epstein's island and got some of the best footage anywhere he filmed the fbi snooping around inside he filmed into the window of that temple where there was a mattress in an empty room with some scaffolding and people think that this was john because he was tweeting about having a drone like this during the same time period and he was out traveling on the yacht at this time does any of this make sense to you were you anywhere near little saint saint james with him around like november of 2019 no not november of 2019 we were actually we were in the caribbean though in the bahamas um okay yeah we left we left america in january um of 2019 and see this is one of his tweets not to interrupt you but this um it's actually a video i just got a screenshot of it but that's his account november 2019 talking about a new drone if the person who flew the drones over epstein's island had this baby at the time we would have been able to read the fine print on the papers that the fbi was packing up yeah you know that could be a little bit of a coded message and john's not uh he's smart enough to leave a little code like that and the my understanding is the videos the actual videos were posted right around this time what else do we have labeled shackleford so yeah this is just a a 4chan post of a guy who's trying to figure out or making the case that they are the same person there's a timeline where mcafee goes dark and then five days after rusty shackleford starts posting his drone videos and then this guy says i have a light bulb moment and i realize mcafee is on a boat in the caribbean and probably has a drone and definitely has the time to do this since he's on the lam then of course here's a tweet from mcafee in april showing off his wife's new drone and then this guy says twitter suspended his account right after he connected these dots and it just strongly implies that his dead man switch and possible arrest are epstein related your thoughts on this so so yes we were in the caribbean from january until um july july mid july of 2019 so we were in the bahamas in uh cuba and back to the bahamas and back to cuba uh and then finally the dominican republic yeah i think actually on one of those screenshots it says it says it was uh tweeted from cuba yeah and i do believe um rusty shackleford is related to john do you in some way yes okay yes we've cracked the case uh no i i could see his curiosity um especially but i'm not confirming or nor denying whether this is true i'm just saying i do believe that rusty is related to to john in some way yes fair enough yes it seems like a lot of things kind of sync up so let me also ask you let's back up to the the whacked stuff you know i i told you i was going to bring this up but this i'm basically a placeholder for all of the 4chan techno libertarian bros questions they would want to ask you if they could and if we have the whacked the picture of the tattoo i don't know but he that he tweeted the tattoo and said at that time like i wrote it on my arm you know this is not going to happen he said i'm getting subtle messages from the u.s officials saying in effect we're coming for you mcafee we're gonna kill yourself i got a tattoo today just in case if i suicide myself i didn't check my right arm this right away makes the the theme of the token seem very important he tattooed it on him so clearly there's something there and he claimed to have a 31 terabyte dead man switch that would trigger in a very complex setup if his life were to end and i know you've said you don't know anything about it but i have to ask because i've been down some threads that go very deep on this have you learned anything more about the potential of a dead man switch or anything connected even to the the wax token um so i what i will say about the wax token is that and and the dead man switch is that it would be extremely an extremely clever way to disguise said dead man switch it would i do believe that john had a dead man switch i do not believe that it would have been left in one person's control to release it because that's just not john's style he wouldn't have um done that i just i just couldn't see that happening but but embedding it somehow in the blockchain would definitely be something very clever that john would would um i would imagine um and if that has something to do with the wax token i don't know you know i know that it was important to him it could have been you know um just a way to i don't know i just don't want to say too much but i but i do i i do think it's very clever it would be a clever way to disguise the dead man switch however something there was something that happened something went awry right because i don't believe that john is still with us i fully believe that he would have found a way to reach out whether it was reach out specifically to me or or or reach out to the world in some way we would have seen something by now it's been four years yes and we would have heard something concrete not oh maybe this maybe that and we're trying to you know do all of this crazy math to figure out if it wouldn't have been anything like that because his hubris would not have allowed him to stay quiet for this life yeah i do agree with that although his 80th 80th birthday would be september right so let's keep an eye out there um i did want to ask you about this so this is something people speculate that picture of you on the bottom right that's a very common picture that's like if you google your name it's everywhere yeah you're wearing the same ring as john's wearing it's his ring in that picture yeah you have it right there right yeah let me see that i just want to look at it do you want to can i just touch it yeah of course oh my gosh all right yeah nothing no uh no weird symbolism that i see now the 4chan people are gonna come after me on this um did he give you that ring just before he was arrested or no actually he this was in his property when he um that i that i collected from the prison yeah just for the sake of catching everybody up to speed on the argument that whacked has something to do with this so this is the way the story goes once the whack token comes out and of course this tweet gets people to speculate then they notice that the addresses of the token holders match kind of 31 terabytes of info because it has 31 721 holders of the token and you can probably pull up the next thing here travis because i think it's gonna be exactly what i'm talking about yeah you can see because everything on the blockchain is tracked so there's whacked the token there's the holders and then this is also him saying i've collected files on corruption in governments for the first time i'm naming names and specifics i'll begin with a corrupt cia agent and two baham and bahaman officials coming today if i'm arrested or disappear 31 plus terabytes of incriminating data will be released to the press so this could be like him just being dramatic and exaggerating but i don't think so because he actually got a phone call about that and they said do not dox a cia agent i wondered if that actually is there a follow-up to this tweet or no there is a follow-up where he talks about that where he was dissuaded from um but he later does he does um release information about the bahamian officials and and so the reason was because we were so we were you know chilling in the bahamas doing what it was we were doing and um he got information that there the police chief was going to have john arrested for anything you know drunken disorderly or something made up so that they could just get him into custody and then ship him back to the states because they're um and they don't have income tax and so he could not have been extradited from the bahamas for that you know what we were on the run for well i even think the the claims the charges let's say are a little bit suspect yes because you know the whole famous story of al capone he did all this stuff but he got caught on tax evasion if they're looking for you they're gonna go this route because everybody has mistakes or things on their taxes and if john didn't i'm sorry to interrupt but john didn't have any of that because he wasn't filing yeah he he says that exactly so he wasn't filing and he also says he's living off money from the sale that happened years ago so there's no income to claim anyway you know this is what he he says but the government the u.s government didn't seem to be all that concerned with other crypto scams at the time jake paul's still walking around out there podcasting you know he's a major crypto scammer so and and he's easy to catch too because they know where he is so it seems like this was about something else it definitely i think so because john was not um shy about sharing him not paying his taxes like he spoke about it often yeah um and and everywhere so if they wanted to they could come and seize properties and and belongings and anything anything they could have done while we were living in the states we were living in tennessee um you know wasn't really unknown that we were in tennessee it's like they could have come and found us anytime right so travis can you pull up whacked gavin because i find this one to be interesting with wallet addresses they're always kind of anonymous strings of characters but at the time you could actually kind of change that so you could make it an address that is more like a website so that if if i wanted to have people donate crypto to me i could make it higher side dot eth instead of this crazy string of letters well this is an interesting one where people are looking at the token holders of this wax token and one of them is this you see an underline it says gavin mcclelland dot eth this is what this guy did all the other ones are random characters but not this one so then he tweets that this tweet just just shows that he was aware of john and uh you know also the wax token and then down below is this gavin guys twitter and you know on twitter it'll tell you if high profile people follow you and right there it says followed by senator ted cruz oh that's interesting so why does senator ted cruz follow this random crypto guy that's involved in john's token and what is one of the holders of the wax token in particular it's just interesting that someone of that caliber would even know about this right or be concerned at all very very much so that's very interesting have you met senator ted cruz i have not have you met gavin mcclellan no i have not yeah but that video is really cool the coin bros yes yes they filmed that at our house in tennessee we had a lot of fun filming that so it's a nice little rap video if i remember correctly so then this just kind of fills out the story it comes from a 4chan poster where they say people have noticed that the wax token burns itself at 10 per transaction i speculate this means the token itself is a timer once it's all burned the other token aftershock will start doing shit given that there are 31 000 wax addresses that roughly corresponds to the alleged 31 terabytes of files and my current working theory is that wax is a way of disseminating data on the blockchain while counting itself down to avoid the possibility of the blockchain being flooded with redundant data i guess the aftershock token will have some key related to it shortly before dine john tweeted boolean xor exploit by which you can track data sets by running some iterative process x times x plus one times any tech-minded anons probably want to read those tweets and think about whatever the fuck that means yeah so then it goes on and the 14 another 4chan poster says we calculated about 47 to 51 days until whacked actually counts down they say flatlines and then glitch and aftershock these other tokens that are kind of associated with the same blockchain should wake up now august 11th at this time was 48 days so well within that window 47 to 51 days and august 11th was the day that fema and the fcc planned that nationwide emergency test so when you say that something happened you know i really think we're talking about a cat and mouse thing here with john trying to do this and then them getting wind of it and desperately trying to keep it from coming out and this is one of those elements and it goes on to say that there was the big blackouts for amazon and facebook and google at this time and the whack token started pumping when the counter went down and there was also a countdown on the website is my understanding i read a comment from a user who says they were there for the countdown and the site crashed then 15 minutes later a new counter came up counting down to one hour but it crashed again and basically just didn't do anything so maybe it was compromised what do you have any thoughts on what i'm laying out here does this make sense to you do you know about the details of this countdown or anything i don't really know the details about that but um that boolean tweet was really really strange that john wanted me to put out because when he was in prison i was the one tweeting from his account yeah the what tweet the boolean oh that okay the thing i read boolean xor exploit yeah and it definitely seemed like there was a message in there that was meant to be given to whoever was reading the tweet you know um there was like a series of of weird tweets there just before um he died and so um like i said i think something happened it should have been released and and something happened um to prevent that from happening i believe that's what this data kind of suggests this timeline suggests that and the other big element of it is the miami condo collapse yeah yeah now i know you hear this gets roped in yeah first off i wanted to throw in that the whacked countdown apparently gave coordinates of highland park texas 2.4 miles from dealey plaza another texas reference okay that is interesting that is very interesting i think i might have had that slide but it's just some coordinates and then let's talk about the miami condo collapse because this is speculated to be the location of the 31 terabyte hard drive or the actual hard copy of it and it mysteriously collapsed the day after john supposedly died in prison the video of it which i think we might be able to play the video of this collapse definitely shows look at the bottom here boom what's that yeah now is that electrical equipment and something collapsing under the weight that looks like a controlled demolition looks like 9 11 to me this is also not a slum like i've i've read people saying that oh well this is just some shitty building on the coast it's like no miami is not a cheap place to live these condos are apparently close to 900 000 each i don't know that that looks very suspicious to me so you have this building that falls the day after john dies and then masad is brought in i also have a thing a thing of that masad is brought in to investigate this yeah which was very always very strange yeah what's that about it sounds like they were first off it sounds like they know a little bit about blackmail material from other situations and that maybe they were trying to make sure that it was actually compromised and neutralized yes you gotta remind me to say these things i leave myself vulnerable here without enough allegedly and supposedly um now i'm not i'm not i'm gonna let this go about john potentially being still alive but okay so if you were if this was true if there's any truth to this you would expect the building to go down and then you kill the person because you've compromised the material this happened the other way so the speculation is what if john was allowed to fake his death on the condition that he gave up the material hence the building coming down the day after and not before i thought about that but i also thought see john was john was very valuable but he was unpredictable he was uncontrollable so this made him dangerous and so yes the case could be made for you know him being able to get out and and you know him giving up that information or they just said screw it let's just whack him and we'll you know deal with it yeah deal with the fallout later you know so the big question is is there anything really connecting john to this building the speculation is he owned one of these condos can you confirm or deny i don't know i have no idea about that i've also heard someone say something about a son of his having a condo there or living in the building or something one of his 47 children yes yes um but i did find it extremely strange that they brought in his israeli excavation team to you know help with um you know with recovery but but also someone explained to me that this was you know um i guess miami is highly populated with with jewish people and maybe there was possibly some people that were jewish living there and so naturally you know the jews look out for themselves so of course they would have brought people in to help blind you know their people so yes allegedly so i mean that is most i'm glad i wanted to fit all that into the first hour i was trying to move really quickly because this is the the stuff that is most speculated about are there conspiracies or elements of details that you've heard that i didn't bring up that you actually think are kind of interesting that keep you up at night i think the the main thing that bothers me is just that i wasn't able to see his body his full body that that is is what bothers me um and and then also you know after john when he initially died people were putting out videos and saying see he's alive this this video and that was really infuriating for me because they were all pre-recorded videos none of them were so so a little bit of hope would rise and then be shattered you know when i saw the videos because i am looking i want i i want i want him to not be dead of course i want that to not have been his end because he was deserving of so much better um i i i love to imagine that he's somewhere on some island you know with a big booty native girl feeding him grapes and fishing and just having a good time but i just don't believe it to be true again why most importantly because his hubris would not allow him to stay silent for this long it just wouldn't i agree so did you ever see any of the material that he extracted even if it's mundane stuff that was just recorded from these computers did i mean it seems like you were helpful in maybe getting them out there but did you ever see material come back no that was a um i don't want to say about my pay grade but but it was um it was just not something that he would have shared with me just for my own safety i wanted to ask you a little bit more about first off i guess i would say a lot of people probably expect you to have millions of dollars you know obviously he had some i've heard a story of the past where you talked about a road trip where you went from portland or you went from tennessee to portland and he would stop and it took you three weeks because he would stop and he'd be gone for a few hours and he was like getting caches that he had stored roadside for emergencies i mean i i put that in the box of things he would do yeah but he apparently could you know take cash and bury it under a tree somewhere and then go dig it up at the time yeah but when he passed there's not there's not really a lot you don't have access to a lot of funds no let's say no i don't we were actually we actually got divorced before we left um the states and so he left me things in our divorce um but obviously we continued our relationship after was that a strategic divorce or was it a am i allowed to say yes i think so i should say yes because then what if the um allegedly there we go fair you care you care you had a divorce and then you got back together yes yes all right this is what happened that might be unfortunate for the the inheritance type of thing of course if you're in trouble for tax evasion and these sorts of crimes i'm sure a lot of that stuff is confiscated um any any available imagine so i don't i don't know what happened with any of that and also john didn't have a will so there was no estate there was no divvying out of things as as far as i understand that's all just to say talk to us about this crypto project that you're actually working on with this ai john i watched a video this morning where he's talking about epstein and it is a ai generated john and i don't know where the text that he's reading comes from i'm curious where the monologue comes from is that generated from just an ai trained on all the available content yes and so the ai creates the content for the podcast the ai created the artwork for the podcast and creates the artwork for the podcast he came up with the name of it um which is really cool and yes it's just from john's twitter account and um interviews keynote speeches that john has done so we're still um fine tuning the the ai it has his voice but it just doesn't have that wild card you know sort of you know what is this guy gonna say next you know ability to kind of draw you in so we're still still working on it very much but the project is called antivirus it's spelled a-i-n-t-i virus it's a play on the antivirus and um you can find it at uh antivirus.ai and so um the project is basically just reviving all of the privacy tools that john was working on before he died so he had um other projects he was working on and um josh case was actually a part of the whacked token he actually was the man of the project manager on that token as well as the project manager on the the ghost token as well that john had and so he has taken up this antivirus project and just kind of reviving those ideas that he worked on personally with john and and so that's what we're trying to do bring bring privacy back to the individual as they transact in in the cryptocurrency world on the blockchain you know right on so what what does it actually do i mean you're working with people who previously worked with john because you know the technical expertise has to be there and this is a token that if you hold it your it disseminates some kind of privacy within your wallet yes yes it is it's a privacy token and we also have um gift cards that you can purchase with the token you can as a means of being able to cash out some of your crypto we also have e-sims so that gives you another layer of privacy we're working on a bpn and we are also working on encrypted email to just add those layers of necessary privacy so that you can um move your money privately because no one should know what you're holding you know that should be no one's business and so we can see what the things that are happening why why i'm excited about it or why it's so important to me um one instance of i think this gentleman named robert moss who was a firefighter in the uk and he had made um some unsavory comments you know about his former employers and and he was arrested because of that you know and and so we should have some sort of privacy like that infringes obviously it's the uk and that maybe can not happen here but but you should be able to air agreements you know and it was a private communication you know and so these things should should not be and so we we need to bolster our privacy and and as it relates to our finances definitely we should have better mechanisms in place to to keep us from prying eyes you know i agree yeah that's the speculation of what the next few years is going to be about trump passed the stable act or the genius act for the stable genius stable coins and there's a clarity act and the speculation is that these stable coins are going to kind of be a level jump in the economy and then they're going to disseminate crypto through social media companies like x and facebook and all this stuff because when it comes to people out in the world in the third world second world they have these apps so if you can hold american money in them that's a value to someone in central america or all over the place and then you know these social media companies can take it away based on what you say again on the same platform so if your social media is also your bank and this is the way you express yourself you now have to be careful what you say because if you are too vested in this economic economy then they can pull it yeah exactly but this is why the need for um decentralized exchange exchanges as well but i think we're we're kind of really dropping the ball the crypto industry as a whole because they will come in and usurp it they're the this is what they're trying to figure out now and so what was meant to free us will now just greatly imprison us even more because we because we're not coming together as a community because there's enough there's enough on the table for all of us to to have our bags moon you know what i'm saying and buy lambos and all that crazy stuff that we want to do right but i think for the most part we all just want to live a free and unencumbered life right i just want to i just want to be free to do what i want to do with my life and that should be not a problem with anyone and i think if anything the situation with covid should scare us to and make us aware of what is able to happen now that a president a precedent has been set right and so when you do say something that they don't like we even see with the canadian truckers who had their bank accounts frozen right that's scary we don't want that happening to us so we need these decentralized exchanges we need privacy coins like monero we need um privacy tools that allow us to um have have um sort of cloak cloaking device if you will of our finances yeah yeah and you mentioned kobe that was another thing that john tweeted about that he was way ahead of and he said under no circumstances should you take that vaccine and that was february of 2020 very early and i went and i so there's a lot of tweets and things that are attributed to him that maybe he didn't say everything that i brought up today and showed on the screen i went and found on the actual timeline that is still there so uh that was interesting and apparently he follows me that was you right yeah okay good i mean joe rogan's followed me for years and uh i don't know maybe it's his wife too okay well before we call it in okay what can people do to help maybe is there any other big call to action you'd like to leave people with no just keep digging keep keep questioning everything right and follow follow the money when you follow the money you will you will find whatever it is that you're that you're searching for and by follow the money you mean follow the waxed token that too yeah that too as well but but honestly yeah just keep digging you know because i'm just one person and and i the only thing that i can do is share my experience share what i know you know um again while making sure i don't share something that will put me in any danger but i'm i've shared quite a lot here today now i'm not asking you what it is but do you feel like you have uh you have things that you won't share that would put your life in danger a fair amount of things um maybe exact specifics about our time in spain yeah i think um that's something that i try to skirt around um but but i will in saying that i will say that there's clues there everything's on john's twitter account right i'm sorry x yes everything's there everything's there there's there's breadcrumbs to to be followed okay we'll get out there awesome well thank you for being so candid and for sharing this stuff i know it's difficult like you did have a real relationship this is someone you care about so it can probably get raw at times and the internet you know doesn't hold back and so i tried to bring up a lot of the things that are the speculations out there and inquiring minds want to know so thanks for doing it yeah no thanks for having me this was awesome an awesome chat right on and boom goes the dynamite how about that people not a bad choice for the inaugural first in-person interview in thc's long 15 year history right close to what like a thousand episodes maybe and we finally get an in-person guest and that alone can be a bit of an adjustment already and then to have it be something so personal which is also kind of rare around here adds another layer and i feel a bit bad going so hard on the john is still alive threads but i told myself that the goal is to address as much of the rumors and speculation as we can whether she knows anything about a thing or not i just want the internet to know i asked and she's heard it all before she has made up her own mind about the prospect of john faking his own death and she's comfortable with her conclusion i never want to give a person false hope when they lose a loved one but there are reasons to wonder i mean first off the old girlfriend straight up saying that he contacted her from texas the very state where the countdown coordinates pointed to and in the reddit thread there were kind of jokes about going there with a shovel yet never any true follow-up i'd like to know if there's any more to that story but then we have the bitcoin magazine article yeah that might just be for clicks but if he were alive being a bitcoin maxi and considering his previous locales al salvador is sort of convincing also all the stuff with his body them being so careful about how it was shown to janice and then holding off for a year and then giving her cremated remains hey maybe that is just what it is but it's not exactly typical protocol and definitely not confirmation of death anyway then there's all the epstein parallels and i'm convinced epstein is still alive actually due to the rusty shackle ford i think drone shot on the island where someone who looks just like epstein is looking up at the drone with a sort of well i don't like that expression on their face and then there's the ear analysis you always got to look at the ears and they're quite different when it comes to the dead body and other photos of epstein that you can find every situation is different who knows and i understand janice's point about john's ego but maybe he feels like after getting caught again there's really no place left to go with all the baggage of his true identity hard to say but if we don't see something on his 80th birthday here in september then we probably won't if there ever was going to be a reveal that's a great time for it right but i did enjoy hanging out with janice i can't believe i got to actually hold the ring that he was wearing when he was arrested that's kind of fun especially since it is part of the curiosity or skepticism that there might be something being signaled didn't have any weird logos on it or any symbolism on it as far as i could tell but janice is super genuine all of the conversation before and after the interview was great she really couldn't have come across as a nicer person or more sincere i even asked her if she wanted to smoke a joint in the parking lot and she said no because she's trying to remain on the sober train now which i understand if you've seen running with the devil i get why she might make that decision for herself but i also asked before we got started as a host i always ask about promo stuff especially if it's as complicated as the anti-ainty crypto project that she seems to be working on with the ai john thing and i i was like what do i need to know about that she said well you know it's fine i don't even really care if we get into that i just want people to keep asking questions about this story and hear the truth and get to more truth so i thought that was great too and worth pointing out and yes i also just don't want to distract away from the core issue and the core issue is that this is not a suicide like the official story says whether he is alive or not that's a side issue the core issue is that they've lied to us about the narrative it seems because i don't know how a person could be any more clear about not being suicidal saying it tattooing it being the guy john was there's many reasons to not believe it but the biggest thing here is her not confirming or denying that there's a decent chance the dead man switch is real and available in some capacity still out there to be found if you can crack the whacked code and saying that there are clues all over his twitter and that the posts made around that time should be looked at again because remember john was in prison and he was having her tweet for him and it seemed like he was very careful about the exact wording of these messages and to me it makes sense that he would be in the mindset of starting to seed some clues just to make sure people had a chance at finding it and apparently it's still out there unaccounted for i presume that's sort of what these interviews are about her going out there and doing a couple a little nudge to the internet to say hey keep looking i think the real meat of her plea for that was actually in the plus show what are you gonna do it's the format we have and of course the conversations always get deeper and more interesting as they go on and this one did too it's an episode where i don't really love the paywall situation but it is the cost of being ad free and saying fuck the idea of sponsored content media has always only come in two ways either give it to people for free to influence them through propaganda or what have you and fill it full of ads using the uh attention you've gained from the entertainment to extract some money for a shitty product not necessarily shitty but a product and the only other option has been more like the old world of the movie theater where you buy a ticket and you take the ride and that is my preference of the available options for podcasting so sign up if you want to hear the second hour of this interview and all the two-hour interviews going back a long long time the higher side chats.com and i hope people find this one compelling janice actually gave me the name the guy who developed the whacked protocol with john she said she didn't know if he would do an interview or not but it might be a lead worth following we'll see how much interest there is in this and i don't even know how close to it i want to get and yeah you know john was a complex character anybody who's seen gringo or running with the devil can attest to that but gringo really doesn't sit well with me it seemed like a pretty clear hit piece and the chick who made it was really toying with the line of harassment i think when it comes to pursuing john personally to participate in the film he's a private citizen and she really just seemed to be driven by how can i tear this guy down and force him into participating and badger all of his contacts and everyone in his life for my own benefit it just seemed slimy to me but if gringo is to be believed then he essentially had two guys killed and raped his lab tech and i talked to janice about the rape claim afterwards she doesn't see it in his character to pull a cosby when he has plenty of willing prostitutes all over the place he wasn't shy about that and i agree but i could also see a scenario where a guy hires this cute girl and pours all this money in and she becomes a big pain in the ass and produces nothing and he thinks well i should get something out of it and it's not about access to sex it's about this particular transaction and a consolation prize for all the investment i'm not saying john thought that way i'm just saying some guys would and i'm definitely going to raise my daughter to be aware enough that if any guy is pouring a lot of money and resources into funding something for her that she should know that he's probably motivated by an attraction and if you're not going to go that direction with this person it's probably best to not take anything they might be offering because one day they might want to come and collect and i think any young girl should have that awareness and i don't know what happened in this situation but the way she talks is almost like she was just entitled to this guy's money and resources and doing her thing and it should all just be on the up and up and it's really just not how the world works sometimes again not really commenting on that situation itself because i don't know and when you have a documentary that seems to be definitely not objective then you really can't even make an assessment so that's what i would say about that plus you just don't poison dogs though either right shame but you know i decided from the beginning of this that i didn't really want to waste any time on moral judgments here my motivation is really just to get deeper insights into the dead man switch possibility and to talk about the red flags as to why the suicide in prison story is suspect that's it so we went through the threads i could find on behalf of the chans and i hope that there's some sort of new chapter to this story eventually whatever that means that said in higher side news we let the clip genie word search transcript archive access run a bit long i hope regular plus people were getting in there and enjoying it some people did express how useful and fun it is to have the ability to find any instance in that word search that a certain term or name had been used in any past interview because a lot of these interviews can be information dense so to have that is fun if you engage with it and thanks to everybody who has converted over definitely enough people now to say it was a success video is fun especially on a episode like today where we leaned into it way more than usual it was great to have so many visual references from her and me prepared while we're in the studio together using the back screen the stars really aligned for this one and as we tend to do in these wrap-ups let's talk about the rating of the last episode mark gober was our guest and i thought he brought it with a lot of good points good at making his case for a whole wide range of things now we did have it at a 4.9 but i guess over the last two days that has come down a bit to a 4.5 i still think that's good it's a little low to be honest i think but i know that some of the subject matter was pretty polarizing and he didn't have much to say about who would perpetrate such massive deceptions but i guess a 4.5 is still a 9 out of 10 and if we think about it that way then i guess i have no reason to complain there's definitely shows out there like the fighter and the kid who would kill to have their episodes rated like ours are so it's all good okay and then as for the meetup calendar where you can throw an event to meet more like-minded locals over a few drinks and a mutual enjoyment of these here interviews let's see what we got sunday september 7th the trails cafe in los angeles wednesday september 10th we got one at canal street arcade and deli in dayton ohio and september 14th we got sourduck market in austin texas i think that's a new one and then monday september 15th auckland new zealand gale bratz alehouse all right so we got four for september i'd like to be reading off more like 10 because i know there are listeners everywhere but it is what it is people tell me they like the calendar they tell me they appreciate the opportunity to make listening to this podcast not not such an isolating experience and they want more physical meetups but the events on the calendar speak for themselves and it's a little light that's all right either way thanks for listening big thanks to janice for putting herself out there i know she's going to be judged quite a bit but she is tough and i'm glad she took me up on the offer when i asked take care of you and yours i've done my part your move 4chan clue finders dead man switch sleuths and whacked blockchain code breakers your fucking moon some of us saw all of this first now it's everywhere like a frog in border it's all starting to cook you can't bandage this hole while you can turn it around give a system feel you can't just step off the gas this time give them any new system