Jeremy Rothe-Kushel & Greg McCarron | Deceptive Dialectics, Kompromat, & The Israel-Russia Relationship

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The Hierside Chat Show, Greg Carlwood and company Brace yourselves, Hierside Chatters from the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood And we're well past the understanding that you could ever have an honest or complete picture of the true geopolitical puppet string pullers and their unadvertised agendas through the lenses of mainstream corporate news But what do we do in a culture of digital and seemingly decentralized media landscapes where new brands are spun up with old money well-placed guests on popular podcasts are used to steer perception and many popular commentators and emerging figures work hard to hide their funding and backgrounds Some might even call this the era of Mockingbird Media 2.0 but it's no doubt more confusing than ever to find the signal in a bunch of noise which is a massive problem when things are moving as fast as they are from doge cuts and trade tariffs to stablecoin legislation and AI infrastructure deals I think it's safe to say that a lot of us are used to a much slower pace and despite how optimistic some folks want to be flooding the zone is a good way to hide what looks like an infrastructure overhaul that puts us much closer to the centralized and constantly surveilled digital control tech bro tyranny that we've been so concerned about We need good sense makers for such a situation and by God would you believe it, we got them today You might remember Jeremy Roth-Cuschell from an interview we did back in 2019 that went deep into the origins of Zionist movements the creation of Israel, Robert Maxwell and the promised software scandal Epstein, Trump, the Clinton Foundation and Israeli intelligence's massive advantage in the tech sector and their infiltration of the U.S. critical infrastructure coming out of the Talpiot program Well today he returns alongside with his co-host on their podcast The Antidote, Greg McCarron Together they provide a one-two punch of truth and suss out the secret relationships of the international elite class you didn't even know were there You can find their work at ExposeTheEnemy.com and under the Antidote on Patreon We're going hard today guys The special relationship revealers, deep politics parsers and anti-uppers extraordinaire Jeremy and Greg Greg and Jeremy, welcome to the higher side How the hell are you fellas? Doing really well, thank you for having us on Again, Greg, appreciate it Same here and very appreciated Yeah, this is going to be great There's so many ways we could start So much has changed since 2019 But Jeremy, you were way ahead of the game Even then, pointing out the Robert Maxwell stuff Showing the deep ties between the Clintons and Epstein and Trump It's not an either-or situation, guys It seems like they're all dirty We talked about the Israeli Defense Force intelligence operation to co-opt critical infrastructure by giving out their software to other countries and placing their engineers in key positions internationally And of course, COVID was a huge level jump in digital infrastructure and smart tracking And some people are actually starting to become more aware of this stuff since the October 7th event and its aftermath Wondering why every politician is in lockstep with Israel Wondering why we need to involve ourselves at all Asking simple questions like Why are all the VPN companies that sponsor podcasts from Israel? Or why does it look like the Israeli Defense Force created Hamas as an opposition like the U.S. seemed to have created their own opposition groups in the Middle East? These are curious things, guys It does seem like we're full-on in a tech bro administration And it's nice to see some people questioning things but they still can be confusing Given the content of our last conversation, Jeremy Where are you now with this stuff? What threads have you been researching the last couple of years? Well, I was thinking back on our first conversation and how it was the calm before this massive storm And I think we spoke in maybe the first month of 2019 And later that year, Jeffrey Epstein would be arrested for the second time End up in jail, awaiting trial Apparently suicide, whatever We still don't exactly know And then Ghislaine Maxwell was sort of somehow on the run in the United States but actually living in a mansion up in New Hampshire And she then gets arrested and tried And she's now in prison And then, of course, COVID It was just coming into effect in the end of 2019 into the beginning of 2020 And then Greg and I did a response to what was called the alleged response to COVID where we talked about a new 3-11 Because 3-11, March 11th, was the date that the international response was declared to COVID And so usually what we seem to see is something very similar to what you described Whenever someone's asking you to choose one side of a dialectic COVID as the most dangerous thing or do you choose the COVID vaccine as the most dangerous thing Anytime you're getting stuck in these kinds of choices you're almost always being brutalized attempted to be brutalized by a weaponized dialectic And so Greg and I have basically continued to evolve a deconstruction and an analysis of what we might call deep geopolitics that really works to make coherent as you pointed out Sense-making is really crucial right now as we are bombarded with massive organized chaos informational clamor always at our fingertips And so we're working to deconstruct weaponized dialectics and maybe to up the geometry of our logics in a certain way at least add a third maybe You know, people say that if you want to figure out how to make people fight or how to divide someone within themselves then create two sides If you want to create some a geometrical let's say a logical object that has more potential stability at least just add a third option to some extent And so I would just finish up by saying it's everything almost always is both both and and neither nor in terms of your options I love that That is a great way to set things up because of course everyone listening has their own kind of predetermined positioning on all sorts of things and some of that will be disrupted but to say out in front like hey we think it's all bad you know there's no worse and less worse and it's just one big club and we aren't in it So Greg let me bring you in here to maybe add to what Jeremy said and talk to us a little bit about maybe some of the relationships and agendas that you see that help make sense of what's going on with like the current administration and the things so far this year where everyone seems to have a lot of opinions and questions about but not a ton of clarity Yeah and to I was telling you Greg before we came on it feels like a different almost like an alternate like a different like we've just gone through like a whole lifespan since 2019 I mean things are so you've had the you know the woke wars and the COVID wars and it feels like you know say what Jeremy had said yeah there's a lot of already in place as far as conflicts and disagreements within our population as far as divisive matters that have just really I think really ever since I would say 2020 and the end of the first Trump term going on into Trump 2.0 have really been exacerbated to just a different level than we've seen before so what we try to do and I think what Jeremy said there neither nor is very important because you know sometimes with our critiques geopolitics and of the state of things as far as like some of the things we get into like as far as maybe countries like Russia and Israel go so it can be oh well you're just on like the American side or whatever but like you know we do make a point to try to be neither nor like we do not want to go back to the days of like the we do not want to go back to the unipolar moment as it's called with like everything that comes with that or the or maybe the state of geopolitics before like you know before MAGA and Trump and all this but you know it's also to say that there are ways to look at these other than just like just to say a complete rejecting of anything that's seen as so I think it's important to look further than just in the lens of you have to take sides like between like the between business as usual US politics domestic geopolitical but then also just like a complete embracing of like this complete turning upside down aspects of the American state the American experience experiment as we call it that we get deeper into like in our own private conversations in addition to what we've been covering on our show so I think neither nor is a very important principle because sometimes it can be easy to say well you're just like you're in this camp or this camp or that camp and also things that we are talking about are certainly not really very much covered by other people that might fall into what would be called alternative conspiracy culture media so we really do try to in our way fill our unique void and anybody who says they have all the answers is lying to you but at the very least I do we have unique things we bring to the table to say the least I think yes for sure and in terms of the relationships that are kind of unadvertised one of the big ones that you kind of mentioned there is the Russia Israel relationship and a big part of your work that I've been digesting this week is that you kind of say Russiagate was definitely not nothing it's not a hoax but it actually is a very cozy relationship between New York Tel Aviv and Moscow it's not a question of is Trump a Russian asset or an Israeli one it seems like a little bit of unknown history is that Israel kind of did a project paperclip type of thing when the Soviet Union fell and brought in large amounts of Russian Jews to bolster up its militarized tech and a lot of what we're seeing now makes a lot more sense when this less obvious love triangle is fleshed out is that fair to say yes and one we were to do with the antidote is destigmatize and recontextualize deep politics so what we call Trump Russia or the Russia collusion hoax we called it 11-9 because that was the date that Trump was announced to be the elected president in 2016 and then we saw Michael Moore whose agent in Hollywood Ari Emanuel the son of an Urgun Zionist terrorist his brother being Rahm Emanuel Obama's first chief of staff and so we picked up on this thread that there was deep politics here because Michael Moore had actually done a film called Fahrenheit 9-11 and then made Fahrenheit 11-9 and the first film actually limited the hangout about another very obvious deep operation 9-11 September 11th which really launches the so-called new American century which is really if you listen to someone like Alexander Dugan as we head into this question of Russia and Israel Alexander Dugan is sometimes controversialized or cartoonified as Putin's brain or some kind of wacky philosopher but he actually looks to be some kind of global strategic deception Russian military intelligence officer of some sort it's called Moskirovka which is long-term from the Soviet sphere strategic deception planning and Alexander Dugan for example at a New Horizons conference that I was actually invited to maybe around the time that we first talked Greg he talked about how September 11th 9-11 represented the moment of the rise of a multipolar world order which is now being talked about as a multipolar new world order actually soon after Trump was quote unquote reelected this last time you heard Putin at Valdei talking about a new world order you saw Elon Musk on Twitter X talking about a new world order right in that time and Dugan at this New Horizon conference also talked about how September 11th represented the moment where there was a reversal of decline of the Russian sphere so just to finish up yes what we call the 11-9 operation was very Trump Russia it goes decades back the question that you pose is Trump a Russian asset is Trump an Israeli asset yes he's all of that and more and what we begin to talk about is how it's Trump is now getting to a point where he is dealing with the difficulty of being a multi decade maybe multi generational compromise assets amongst shared amongst different spheres of interest some of them are domestic that include exactly what we were talking about the tech bro monarchist types the North American tech types the Peter Thiel through all of the Silicon Valley bros who are now totally inside of this administration and all that but very Russian also Trump was cultivated as a Russian asset since probably the late 70s from around the time of his first marriage to Ivana Trump and then through the 80s is when the underside of the Russian deep state and remember these kinds of terms have been weaponized but they have actual coherent meanings deep state means on the top you have the national security operations especially the covert arms of intelligence usually and on the bottom you then have what we call black economy mob economy sometimes oligarchs and we see that even in the American context such as like the super mob Gus Russo's book about how the Jewish mobsters went legit and ultimately became the now sort of current oligarchs who have their names on institutions across the United States including at the highest levels of the academy and hospitals people like Les Wexner and the rest of the mega group and all those types but in finishing up in terms of Russia Israel the other event that we did not talk about in terms of since we last spoke about was obviously October 7th and then what we've seen in this escalating and seemingly endlessly constructed war of terror on Gaza with obvious genocidal intent behind it at least in terms of attempting to destroy the coherence and possibility of the Palestinian nation and the Palestinian people at least in part including an ethnic cleansing operation and so what people a lot of people don't usually point out October 7th was a present it was a gift of some sort it was obviously a gift to Benjamin Netanyahu and his Israeli regime because as he told Douglas Murray I've always wanted to do exactly what we're doing in Gaza but I couldn't have gotten my own people behind me let alone the rest of the world if not for Hamas did on October 7th which he then Netanyahu told Dr. Phil he said was incredible was the phrase that he actually used but the other person that October 7th was a gift to literally was Vladimir Putin because October 7th was his birthday and so we can discuss the relationship of Putin and Netanyahu the relationship of the deep geopolitics the weaponized dialectics of Israel Palestine Netanyahu regime Hamas Hamas Putin Putin Netanyahu but this is very much an orchestrated and long-term dialectic that goes even way back before the massive influence of Russian Jewish Russian immigrants into Israel around the beginning of the so-called fall of the Soviet Union but actually maybe goes back to before the beginning of the Israeli state oh yeah it is a tangled web and I know you've done lengthy series on all of these things so if you were talking to someone who said well look man you speak well but I just don't see this relationship between Russia and Israel I don't see this relationship between Netanyahu and Putin and Trump where is it you know you say it goes back a long time maybe with Trump to the 70s and that is something you brought up last time that I thought was really great is talking about how Epstein obviously seemingly an Israeli asset Epstein and Trump were actually battling it out trying to one-up each other a lot in the New York scene in the real estate scene and now five years later there's this talk that well the big falling out was he was taking girls employees out of Mar-a-Lago and there was some real estate deal I have been hearing about this where Epstein maybe told that was a big issue but I understand Russian oligarchs are involved in that as well so I guess yeah just to summarize tell us more about this relationship what are some of the big things you would hit if you didn't have a whole lot of time but you were trying to convince someone hey you need to look more into this even though it's unadvertised well just closing the loop on this important point that you just brought up in terms of Trump Epstein it's said to have broken down because Trump is some kind of moral whistleblower of some sort and found out what Epstein was doing and decided to go call him to account with the local authorities rather than having been probably at that point already a decade and a half one of Epstein's closest partners especially in the 20s 1994 I believe by the pseudonymous Katie Johnson came out during 2016 during the escalation of the 2016 campaign where she I believe under oath credibly accused Trump and Epstein of raping her when she was a 13 year old girl she doesn't allege this happened on the island or on the Lolita Express or down in Florida but at the Les Wexner supplied Epstein Brownstone in Manhattan which now the next door Brownstone is I believe still owned by Howard Lutnick who is at the highest levels of the Trump regime but this very specific moment that you talk about and then I'll pass it over to Greg in terms of the actual history of the breakdown of the relationship between Trump and Epstein did happen largely because as Trump now said he stole one of my employees not that it was a problem of what Epstein was actually doing or any of that but just that Epstein stole Trump's worker or something like that what kind of worker that's another question but even behind that is this question of this real estate down in Florida a key property right on the coast it was formerly actually owned by Les Wexner Abe Gossman I think and Trump really wanted this Trump was in a difficult state actually in terms of his finances and so he elbowed Epstein out and I don't know the background of whether he was told by Epstein about this property and that's what made it personal or Epstein felt like he was undermined by Trump but it does look like Trump threw Epstein under the bus in order to gain access to this property at a very good price and now it's just very recently come out that there are allegations that this Russian sphere oligarch who ultimately purchases the property from Trump more than doubling his money at a crucial moment Bribulovlev who's a fertilizer oligarch who works in the Russian and Ukrainian spheres and who by the way was at the in the back wall sitting behind the table at this first round of alleged peace conversations that Trump held just directly with the Russians cutting out the Ukrainians entirely from their own fate in the very beginning and Rabulovlev is in the room and Rabulovlev is this fertilizer oligarch who purchased the property from Trump more than doubling his money but it's come out that Rabulovlev might have actually even supplied the money on the front end for Trump to purchase it which points directly at potential I would say compromise based on something like money it looks like a perfect example of a money laundering operation and the final point I'll make on this is that at the time Michael Cohen has said Trump's previous lawyer has said that Trump at the moment when Rabulovlev purchased this property and more than doubled his money at a crucial time that Trump said this might be a gift from Vladimir Putin all right and so what you can see there is the architecture the sub layer of obvious geopolitical potential compromise directly from the Russian sphere now Rabulovlev again is not just some kind of random Russian sounding guy with a lot of money no he's a piece a part of the Russian deep state he's a leading emissary of the underside from the top down of the Russian deep state and Trump saw his intervention in a positive way in his own economic crisis at that moment as a gift from Putin so that's Trump himself as disclosed by Michael Cohen yes I do think that's really interesting and thanks for fleshing out the details of the story I brought up and glossed over we do hear a lot about Trump Epstein we do hear a lot about Trump Russia we don't hear Well I wanted to follow up on what Jeremy was just saying and getting into the question of and this will lead into the Russia Israel factor I think as it relates to Epstein and Trump etc is that we've been done a tremendous disservice and I think this is something Jeremy and I started to really notice relatively early on probably 2017 time period certainly going into 2018 and on is that we have been done a tremendous disservice by a lot of what would pass for alternative media a lot of what would pass for conspiracy culture media outlets and let's just remember that this entire narrative around as far as people within alternative discourses non-mainstream media discourses know all things related to Trump Epstein and how they view it is very much shaped by people who themselves have obviously like it's very much shaped by this whole network of Alex Jones and people like Roger Stone who of course like Donald Trump Roger Stone is a direct protege of Roy Cohn who specialized in both the art of projection and in using sexual compromise in terms of and utilizing it while themselves living very you know what people would say are certainly you could use the term perverted Roger Stone likes to say libertine lifestyle but very much our narrative around Trump being this innocent do-gooder who was trying to eradicate the world of these people who would hurt children in particular and that everything anything any problems with the whole Clinton with the Epstein operation all surrounds this Clinton network and these deep state enemies of Trump and not saying of course there's not a baby with the bath water but let's remember that we got the narrative that there were people saying there could be literal videos of Clinton and others doing all kinds of horrible things to children and all of this but Trump is just this innocent do-gooder and all this so I think we've been done this tremendous disservice by people who do have a vested interest in trying to portray Trump as this figure that is completely innocent of everything while it's all on to his political enemies and opponents and there's been an angle where I think this has been and now we're seeing this to where I think it's created a lot of mass confusion because there are people who have bought into these narratives maybe not so much as getting into these literal hardcore QAnon-esque Trump is literally trying to save the world from spiritually wicked child abusers but some variation or another of his innocence trying to make sense of the way Trump guilty person and then you bring in the history of I don't know if Trump's done anything I mean you know we've talked about this whole Katie Johnson this Katie Doe case among other things but whether or not it's very clear like you know there's something very wrong with the way this man talked about things over the years from way he talked to Howard Stern Jeremy about Ivanka Trump his then teenage daughter and his attraction to her or his behavior at pageants at the locker rooms at his pageant sometimes with Epstein either there or in the vicinity so I want to preface this way we're going to say else about this whole Epstein matter with we've been done a tremendous disservice in the way it's been covered particularly within the types of people and narratives that have been shaping this largely whether people know it or not their understanding of a lot of Trump Epstein does come out of this whole Alex Jones Infowars adjacent network and then that leads into QAnon and Michael Flynn types they're shaping these narratives and I think really there needs to be a coming to grips with that because yeah a lot of people I think do not know how to respond and there's a lot of confusion around these matters and also continuing to not really connect the dots together so to speak with the real understanding of at the very least even if he's not like a compromised child abuser or whatever at the very least there's serious problems with this guy who's been elevated into at the very least if you don't think he's going to eradicate the world in some kind of secret plot to get rid of child sex abusers at the very least like he's fighting some kind of good fight against deep state evildoers and I want to really now especially that needs to be taken and talked about more because it's really such a tremendous disservice has been done and I think that can catapult us into this conversation about further into Russia Israel but I did want to say that 10 years going on yeah I think this audience is a bit past that but Russia Netanyahu and Putin this whole event after the Soviet Union where it seems like a lot of Russian speaking Jews with a lot of money trillions of dollars apparently washed it into Israel and it just seems like that was the formation of this network everybody talks about Project Paperclip and the Nazi apparatus coming in well this seems very similar yet I've never heard about it is that a fair analogy you think there is this catalyzed this eruptive moment toward the end of the Cold War when the Soviet Union is alleged to fall and where then massive amounts of not only Jewish Russian refugees come streaming into Israel and what we actually have on the background there is from a former KGB officer Yuri Shvets from Craig Unger's reporting in American Compromat in a similar kind of way that the Israeli human intelligence Mossad has a they have a very small officer corps but then they actually have what are called cyanim which are people in the Jewish community around the world who are loyal to Israel and are then used as Israeli intelligence assets by this very small officer corps in human intelligence you might say that there is a similar kind of operation that was being run out of the alleged end of the Soviet Union where there are Soviet cyanim because what Yuri Shvets this former KGB case officer says is that 90% of Jewish refugees out of the Soviet Union on the way out they are basically compromised in some kind of way where they can then be called upon down the road for some kind of help of what we might call the post Soviet deep state or the Russian deep state in many ways so there is that moment that's really crucial and the other side of it is exactly as you said billions to trillions of dollars washing in from the eastern sphere into the west but also into the Middle East and so now we're at the moment where some of the wealthiest Israelis are Russians people like Roman Abramovich who operates very heavily in the UK theater too very tied into the Trump family circles too Abramovich basically was this key early seed funder of ethnic cleansing operations under the guise of religious archaeological tourism in the West Bank surrounding Jerusalem and so there's a whole slew of these Russian sphere largely Jewish but also Israeli citizen oligarchs and sort of tying this back into the question of Epstein Trump Maxwell obviously in the background there for both Epstein and Trump to some extent Robert Maxwell was not only Israel's super spy he was also operating at the highest levels and at the top of the bottom half of the Russian deep state by Maxwell having direct relationship with a former head of KGB Kroichkov who was Yuriy Andropovs maybe the most infamous KGB commander in Soviet history his key mentee Kroichkov and Maxwell was working directly with Kroichkov so that's the upper side of the Russian deep state but Robert Maxwell was also working with Semyon Mogilevich who's seen as the top of the bottom half of the Russian deep state the global commander of the Red Mafia of Russian organized crime and one of the things that Robert Maxwell facilitated or taught gave to Mogilevich was not just Maxwell's knowledge of setting up financial instruments and front companies all around the world as he had large experience in doing that he taught Mogilevich but he also was it looks like he was the one who facilitated Mogilevich and some of his associates and henchmen to gain Israeli citizenship and as we've just seen recently with another by the way Russian speaking Israeli the head of the Israeli cyber defense division Tom Davidovich I think that's his last name who was just apparently arrested in Las Vegas by a joint task force for allegedly attempting to procure what he thought was an underage girl via the internet and then was sent back to Israel but a Russian speaker and so there's this you know this well-known thing now that Israel has become a not only a military garrison warfare state but also a potential criminal outpost that criminals whether potential pedophiles or financial criminals or even people who truck and barter and cyber weaponry that has been sanctioned by the US Treasury Department for example last year can flee to or take refuge in or stand behind the walls in order to evade the long arm of justice and so a lot of this goes back through not only the end of the Soviet Union but it actually goes back to the very beginning of Israel and is very resonant with what you talked about the potential a Soviet parallel to Operation Paperclip but also on a global scale and what you actually what we've seen recently too is that even at the origins of what we see of the Israeli state such as the King David Hotel bombing many people will recognize that the King David Hotel bombing might have been the crucial event terrorist some might call it military targeting of some sort that targeted this key British installation it was a key British intelligence installation at King David Hotel and it turns out from the Matrokin archives that were brought to the UK by a Soviet archivist that the Soviet Union actually tasked probably at that point one of their highest if not the highest mole that they had in at the very least in the European sphere of intelligence Kim Philby who was heading toward becoming the head of British intelligence before the suspicions of being a KGB mole came upon him that the Soviets tasked Philby to do the crucial precursor counterintelligence distraction work against the British on behalf of the Zionist terrorists in order to facilitate the successful terrorist bombing of the British's King David Hotel so this then begins to point out the architecture of a long-term generation of a strategy of tension or weaponized geopolitical dialectics that the Soviets appear to have been involved in in actually potentially helping establish the origins of what we now know as the Israel-Palestine conflict and to this day it appears that they have deep influence now in this case it's the Kremlin the Russian government has deep influence and deep relationships at the commanding heights of both the alleged Palestinian so called leadership groups whether it's the sort of former PLO now known as the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank or in relationship to Hamas in in Gaza and a very direct and very deep relationship that Putin and Netanyahu have had especially during the entirety virtually of the 21st century they probably of any two leaders in the world have had the most face time together in the 21st century if you added it up really I think that would surprise people is there anything about like them getting into their positions of power that suggests like what's the earliest point where you could say there's a major relationship or that someone within this network helped them one or both get into their position well that's a very good question now the with Netanyahu for example Netanyahu can be seen as the godfather of the terror war or what we might call the war on terror proxy concept it's a rubric of some sort that he's been developing on the public the highest levels of the public stage since 1979 and his gathering together of the Jerusalem conference that began to architect throughout the 80s this whole idea that the west was facing a war on terror in Arab primarily but also sort of begin to hint at a Muslim terrorist problem that was not just Israel's but was the entirety of the west and then Netanyahu is then in 1996 actually brought into the highest levels of Israeli power for the first time to become prime minister by this crucial American Jewish Republican closeted by the way godfather of dirty politics Arthur Finkelstein Arthur Finkelstein was the main guy behind Netanyahu becoming prime minister in 1996 Finkelstein also then becomes the key Republican operative to mainline Trump into the RNC at a time when people were very finicky including people like Lindsey Graham who have now become all-out alleged allies of Trump when back when Lindsey Graham was saying you know if we embrace Trump then we will fall as a we will be destroyed as a party and we will it will be deservedly so this is the time when Arthur Finkelstein is helping then mainline Trump into the RNC Arthur Finkelstein also helped Victor Orban in Hungary come to power on the back of the similar kinds of narrative warfares around George Soros is the globalist new world order boogeyman and that's the entire story and anyone who George Soros is against is on the good side including George Soros being against the Iraq war really you know so that's that's a piece of that so there is this background in terms of Netanyahu coming to power and Orban is specifically represents this key figure that represents the European middle access point between Netanyahu's Israel and Putin's Russia now then we would then have to talk about how did Vladimir Putin really ascend to power meaning he became prime minister of Russia but he hadn't yet fully grasped his power until the Moscow bombings of 1999 which now at this point appear to be notoriously known amongst at least the older generation in Russia and amongst a lot of Western intellectuals to have been some kind of domestic deep state Russian false flag operation run very likely by a combination of the FSB and the GRU GRU being their military intelligence services FSB being their more state security domestic kind of security services and so then of course two years later boom goes 9-11 which is now becoming notoriously known that Netanyahu had a very similar so called reaction to September 11th as he did to October 7th he thought it was incredible he thought it was very good for Israel especially in terms of the relationship with the United States especially in terms of the massive launching of the global war on terror so I would say it's these three years basically 99-2000 and 2001 that you can see the major launching of the global war on terror which catapult people like Putin and Netanyahu into the commanding heights of global power and the last thing I'll point out is that similarly to after September 11th in the United States where we had an entire new you know department created department of homeland security heavily Israeli modeled if not run penetrated that's now become probably one of the largest militaries in the world especially after Trump's so-called big beautiful bill DHS and ICE and all that that's a very major domestic army that has major Israeli background to it the same way that we got that we got the Patriot Act and then we launched wars foreign wars Putin did a very similar kind of thing after his own 9-11 the Moscow apartment bombings in 1999 he solidified his domestic political power he amplified the Russian police state and then he very much escalated his second Chechen war and ultimately destroyed Grozny and all of that right on yes that's a great summary if I could add on to that please do if I could add on to that Jeremy remember after the second Chechen war which was 99 and on which was launched as a result of the Moscow apartment bombings Putin I believe it was November of 1999 publishes an op-ed in the New York Times writes an op-ed for the New York Times basically sounding I told you Jeremy it sounds like a hybrid of Netanyahu and George W. Bush of how would you Americans feel if your buildings were blown up and set fire by and what would you do about it and so I think this is underrated also that there's a very similar philosophy with regards to I think the Putin and Netanyahu camps when it comes to certainly waging and escalating this global war on terror you could call it against the Islamic populations and then also obviously being extended to their neighbors in Ukraine and in greater you know and what is now known as Israel respectively in terms of what we've been seeing going on obviously for decades before that but obviously really kicked into high gear since October 7th but you know you've got Putin here in the New York Times sounding like this op-ed or this hybrid of Netanyahu and George W. Bush's most provocative terror war statements and remember also Jeremy how Russia was a key allowing the opening up of the airspace to go into Afghanistan and other things and I think the Russian role in this is is rather underrated and then also I'll mention moving on to the 2010s of what was it Jeremy I believe maybe around two dozen interactions and meetings between Putin and Netanyahu between the 2013 and 2016 to 17 time period which is when Russia steps into Syria and there's a very common purpose here at least I think between elements of the forces around Netanyahu and Putin to at the very least take advantage of the situation in Syria and then also this whole thing with Libya and bringing that in as well and very much the push narrative I think both the Israeli Netanyahu and Putin camps benefit from Obama and Clinton are the mother and father of ISIS and all of this and a big part of that I think comes from we can you know we can always have a conversation to suss out what is and is not true about that but there's clearly a vested interest by both of these camps to to at the very least take advantage of this tension going on mainly within Syria but then also other countries in the region and using that to both push back and counter like any type of like western influence as far as intervention into Syria goes and then also to exacerbate it in terms of the major event that led to the rise of Donald Trump and the installing of Trump which was this refugee migrant crisis in the late 2015-2016 time period and this era of heightened terrorism and all of this so there's a very vested interest by both the Putin and Netanyahu camps to advance this in terms of geopolitically but then also what we call Jeremy the this hybrid of the clean break culture wars and that's really bringing these wars to your home's front with in terms of not just looking at the global war on terror as oh going over into Middle Eastern countries and destabilizing them and killing and bombing a ton of people but also bringing the wars to western countries directly in terms of these what you might call clash of civilizations that some people would put it but yeah there is this relationship and people sometimes can't see it for a number of reasons but it's definitely there and there's a I think a mutual vested interest in exacerbating these conflicts domestically and geopolitically from a Putin centric and a Netanyahu centric perspective yeah that is great guys I think that's a lot of deep history that people just aren't aware of it never really makes it into the conversation so this is just kind of a tangent I wanted to ask you about but something else we saw since Jeremy and I last spoke was this weird situation quite disturbing this tunnel under the synagogue in New York I'm asking you about this because you track Jewish lines of power you you track networks of child trafficking a lot of people think this was something that should have been discussed more and it kind of got swept under the rug but the synagogue in New York had this tunnel underneath it it got kind of exposed then there's this footage showing them pulling out an old mattress with either blood or shit on it like some big stain some red brown stain right in the center very disturbing when you go through the logic of your mind of well how could that happen and then the footage inside the tunnels there's like a baby carrier in there do you guys have any insight into how that situation could connect to a larger story or anything did you investigate that to any significant degree not to a large degree but it is the case that there has been an escalation of rumblings from within the grassroots let's say of the Jewish Orthodox community about massive and pervasively covered up child abuse it's sort of similar it's a parallel in some ways to what we saw around the Catholic Church where there was a lot of internal and powerful attempts to cover up what was endemic and so this is some of the words that we're getting from the more courageous aspects of the Jewish Orthodox community so the you know the question of these tunnels we don't know never been down there don't have any deep insight in terms of exactly what they were being used for however we do know that these kinds of subterranean relationships and we can could they can be both physical and they could also be in political they could even be spiritual in many ways for example what is what is the underground connection between the address nine of Epstein Epstein's former property and the address 11 of Epstein's former property that then got passed on to Howard Lutnick they were once a complex of some sort and so you know the even in Los Angeles where I'm from it's becoming more and more known that there are these long pre-existing underground tunnels that connect large you know major portions of the city and we've always heard also about you know underground deep underground military bases potential massive subterranean architecture and so there are so many pieces to this potentially but obviously you know from the Los Angeles perspective a lot of this just comes down to deep politics you know drug running sex trafficking mob activity but you can imagine there's also a tie-in then to the upper side the deep state and deep politics and how that that might might emerge and you know of course New York City is the is a primary headquarters obviously of Jewish power in in many ways but also it's probably the key city in terms of political power of Israel specifically the New York Police Department has long had a deep relationship with the Israeli security state and security services I believe they even have had an office set up in Israel for a long time and so the New York Police Department actually I think led the way on what we became to be known as the deadly exchange post September 11th where we had Jewish power organizations such as JINSA the Jewish Institute of National Security formerly affairs now America and the so-called anti-defamation League the godchild of the Judeo-Masonic B'nai B'rith being the leading organizations to establish a deadly exchange of American policing with with Israel so I guess I'm saying that above the tunnels both physical and metaphorical and the inside below the ground physical and metaphorical of the tunnels are compromised by these deep state elements fair enough yeah I just wanted to throw that in because it was a little story that caught brief attention and really seemed like it could have turned into a pizza gate 2.0 if people had really gotten in there so I want to fit this into the first hour too so Greg you mentioned the disservice from alternative media I kind of agree although I have such a hard time unraveling what the actual truth is sometimes that I don't really know if a person's being intentionally deceptive just ignorant or you know what's going on but on the antidote you guys have been critical and on Twitter of Dave Smith Candace Owens Tucker Carlson the list goes on well some of these names are very critical of Israel they're calling the situation in Gaza a genocide I'm curious you know I talked in the intro about Mockingbird 2.0 perhaps what do you think's going on in alternative media which organizations do you see as like definitely fronts for the network and who do you think are some of the big red flags that you would advise people to probably think twice about yeah that's that's a great question and indeed we have it's very interesting like the particular names you mentioned like we could go into Candace Owens and or just other names I think the way I will view these Candace Owens Tucker Carlson type Steve Bannon in recent years has really gotten into like this being very critical of Netanyahu and of Israeli influence over American politics and certainly over foreign policy you know you've got all of these people have been to varying degrees or another proponents of elements of what we would call these a this hybrid of terror and culture war Jeremy and I'd say they all certainly serve as this whole thing with a culture to this day now Candace Owens goes from Daily Wire employee Ben Shapiro employee to this this major critic but I think the way that they go about it is it's all still being done like in the way that I think figures into this bigger symmetry between these Netanyahu and Putin areas around them of and certain influence and operations between them of still advancing these same narratives I would say let's remember like you know Stephen Bannon who also has his own very serious Epstein questions when it comes to these hours of tapes that he recorded with Epstein where he was said to be coaching and almost like rehabilitating Epstein's PR image in like what I think they were took place like in the months and the year or so leading up before Epstein's death with whatever happened there with his whatever happened there that weekend we were at the at the Iowa State Fair Jeremy whatever happened there with with Epstein and he's now like remember Steve Bannon was the was the head of Breitbart which is this website that was a made in America conceived in Israel and we've always talked about this article Jeremy with the photo of Benjamin Netanyahu sitting at the table in Jerusalem with oh with Andrew Breitbart and Jim Hoft of the Gateway Pundit another very interesting figure to say the least and I believe Larry Soloff who was Breitbart's I think best friend and business partner and he's like the CEO of Breitbart to this day and that article was published with this photo on the day of the launching of the Breitbart Jerusalem branch which was headed by Aaron Klein who was a I believe he was a world net daily very much pushing the Obama terrorist narrative and all of this which very much is beneficial to I'd say advance certainly out of a very Israeli not just Israeli but a very hard line pro settlement pro get rid of the Palestinians by whatever way we have to in order to make way for what we want network of people and I see these people and you can throw Tucker Carlson in here to remember some of us still remember when Tucker Carlson was an apologist for the Iraq war on CNN and you know maybe this is an example of a broken clock being right twice a day but John Stewart calling you know calling him out on his acquiescence to the Bush administration all the way back in 2003 2004 and now you know you've had all of these rebrandings and it's not to say people can have legitimate genuine rebrandings but I would say that all of these people are still and Jeremy you can follow up on this if you want advancing these it's their crit any criticism of what we're seeing going on now in terms of Israeli influence and all this it's always in this same I think this what makes up this whole dynamic of this mutual joint benefiting from these pushing of this what we call the clean break terror culture wars and how they're being utilized domestically and internationally so that's part of where I come from with criticism of those types of figures and they are bringing legitimate things to the plate that's also certainly correct too but I have to I look I have bigger issues with like the way that they're going about it to say the least I'm sure Jeremy does too and he can talk about that yeah I would just like to start by saying that it's very important to understand the conceptual framework here people have a tendency to understand what reverse psychology might be but we have a tendency to fall into dialectics very readily but this is another area conceptually intellectually where the Russian and the Israeli sphere and especially the information warfare narrative warfare spheres are very much not only parallel but related and that going back to the origins of the political Zionist Herzl himself in his diaries talking about how the anti-Semites will be our best friends and this was literal because what we saw was that the the political Zionists needed to drive Jews wherever they were whether they were from Shoah sphere in Europe during World War II we even have now records of FDR's Jewish deputy going to American Jewish Zionist alleged community leaders saying FDR has a plan to save up to around a million of European Jews to not only the United States but allied countries and then being called a traitor to his face by these alleged American Jewish Zionist leaders because they were that that would take the Jews from Europe off the table from their actual project to push them into Palestine for their ethnic cleansing project and all of that and so we saw even after Israel was created that Israeli intelligence orchestrated at what we might now see is just anti-Semitic terrorism is the way it would be called especially in the Mizrahi Jewish world especially in Iraq in North Africa throughout the Middle East we saw targeted terrorism by the Jewish state intelligence forces against Jewish communities directly creating a sense of anti-Semitic terror in order to drive Jews to their project in Palestine so we see this is so it's become very obvious to anybody who's done any research about the background of political Zionism that at the same time as you have the alleged king of the Jews Netanyahu proclaiming to be the greatest defender of Jews worldwide he represents an actual deep political network that also was very likely involved in the death and destruction of Jews in their own local and regional communities including I would say on up through things like September 11th which was done at the epicenter of the American Jewish homelands to some extent in terms of lower Manhattan and close to Brooklyn and all that and a few hundred Jews were killed on September 11th and then Netanyahu basically danced on their graves the next day in the New York Times by calling it basically very good or at least it will generate immediate sympathy and all of that while then using it as a way to browbeat the American Congress and generate a hindbrain feared to toward his clean break wars led by the United States in the Middle East but the same kind of dialectic weaponized dialectic exists in the previous Soviet and Russian sphere where you have what you might call the pro-Semitic and the anti-Semitic almost always in total parallel and it goes on even even Putin himself remember this infamous moment after the 2016 American elections where he basically said if Russia was involved it was sort of echoing what Trump had said this could be anybody who was hacking in the United States or being doing influence operations on our elections it could be a guy in his basement or something like that and Putin said these might not even be ethnic Russians is what he was saying these could be Jews or something like that and a lot has been made in the so-called alternative media to prop up Putin as some kind of anti new world order at leader of the axis of resistance or something like that by talking about the way that he basically disciplined imprisoned expelled a handful of Jewish Russian oligarchs okay that is the case but meanwhile and after that he basically just disciplined the Russian deep state and and facilitated the usage of the of many other Russian Jewish oligarchs to serve the larger Russian deep state and then in terms of Jewish community life Putin has made a direct relationship and has helped catalyze I would call the most you know reactionary of organized political Judaism which would be the Chabad Lubavitch movement and so now where as Russian Jewish life was a little bit more diverse in certain ways in a similar kind of way that American Jewish life is is fairly diverse in terms of the different kinds of Judaism the different American Jews may be associated with or practice the Russia was sort of similarly diverse in a certain way and now we're at the point of where Chabad Lubavitch is the almost the totality of Jewish life in in in Russia and Putin has a very close relationship with the these Jewish alleged leaders he we have of course his uh put what we call was called Putin's rabbi Borel Lazar who is very deeply involved uh especially in terms of this uh axis that you open this show up about in terms of the Tel Aviv Moscow New York axis that's the the conceptual architecture that I think we have to keep in mind is that that the Russian sphere and the Israeli sphere both have a long-term history and architecture of using both sides of the so-called pro-Semitism anti-Semitism dialectic for their own deep geopolitical ends and so that's a lot of what we see with certain people such as Tucker Carlson or Candace Owens maybe specifically their very very Russian sphere and so as they turn from the commanding heights of the Zionist media power in many ways and begin to turn publicly against Israel watch especially in terms of how that is related to their obscuring of the facts around the multipolar world order or the Russian sphere and uh and how those almost are inverted in a certain way and then you can begin to sort of pick up on the deeper geopolitics of why you might have people beginning to come out and heavily criticize in often very legitimate ways the Israeli massacre of Palestinians the Israeli domination of American geopolitics and all of that but doing it in a way that also seems to serve Russian multipolar world order deep geopolitical interests in a larger informational structure and one real quick follow-up um I think a person that could be that could be seen as maybe instructive Jeremy and you would agree with me on this I think would be the figure of Jackson Hinkle Jackson Hinkle is somebody that you know he's what self-described MAGA communist I think that's how he describes himself and um interesting like he was really boosted and propped up on the post Elon uh Twitter now x algorithms post October 7th as like this leading critic of Netanyahu and Israel you'd see him everywhere but before October 7th he was talking about how like you know Netanyahu is um good for the multipolar world order and all of this so I think that's an instructive one would be the figure of a Jackson Hinkle I haven't kept up with him in a little bit but I know like what he was doing in the aftermath of October 7th and how in some ways kind of differed from his attitude toward things before that when he was boosted big time by these uh you know social media and he really took off in terms of uh being like a quote-unquote thought leader in terms of hey I'm the guy on the front lines of criticizing the Zionist project and what it's doing yeah interesting yeah it seems like they throw people out there they light a fire they see if it catches and if it doesn't like all right you're out you didn't catch fire we gave you every opportunity we put you in front of all the screens and you know you didn't click so maybe he's one of those guys but yeah they're always throwing new people at us and trying to compromise us and trying to find that sweet spot where we actually trust again and they're good at exploiting it no doubt so to go back to the idea of this shadow network I mean you're pretty good at mapping out connections people don't really think about or know about very often this whole idea of like bringing the Jews back to Israel I guess I'm just curious I want to know the history and all that stuff because I really just want to understand the goals and motivations like it always kind of depends on in the conspiracy world who you put at that apex of the pyramid different people put a different group there Freemasons all kinds of different groups and then you can reverse engineer well what would they be motivated by but I guess I would ask you guys what do you think the primary goal of the big if there's a hierarchy the highest level of this network what really motivates them is it just a power quest is it something deeper like some kind of weird religious motivation or a genetic motivation or something philosophical is it just power for power's sake help me out here in terms of like why even do this why move people around on the board what do you really care oh go if you have a thought Jeremy but I was just uh I was thinking real quick about this um I could bring a little bit I'll make it quick so I know we got a time here a little bit of a I guess a secular Protestant perspective on some of this that I might come from and just thinking about you know this won't answer the question but it might give a little bit insight I look to the 1970s and like the formation of the new right and the religious right monks like this kind of coming together of American Protestants and Catholics kind of motivated by a number of things post Jim Crow era you know post civil rights era and there's these two seminal figures that I think line up both like evangelical Christian Zionism and then more of your I guess you're more maybe Russia friendly a culture war type of conservative Christianity and the figures of Paul Weyrich and Jerry Falwell and they come together to pretty much form this moral majority which is this um key uh probably the key conservative Christian organization of the 1980s really responsible for Jeremy I think a major part of what we call the first spiritual compromise of the American evangelical going for Ronald Reagan the Hollywood actor over Jimmy Carter whatever you want to say about him this um ordained minister and Sunday school teacher and there's this agreement here where you know you bring in the social issues I think the Protestants really get on board with abortion is this key uh this key cultural issue and key societal issue that mainly was a Catholic issue before that but I think this kind of brings in both the philo-semitic and what you'd call anti-semitic side of this because I think with this Catholic side of things there's this big time which you call traditional Catholic elements is the pre-Vatican too and what they see is the destruction of the church through all this modernism in some ways you know Jewish dictated modernism of the church and then from the Protestant side you have both this clamoring for Israel like in this hardcore apocalyptic vision of Israel in the end times but then also this idea of this very um idea that you know if you if you're a Jew and you don't accept Christ just like the rest you know you're condemned so I see this as both a advances this narrative of Israel as the state of the Jewish people but then also this um very much I think that fits into this other side of this coin of well if you don't accept the way you know if you don't accept this then you are um condemned to hell so I think these things have to be taken into consideration there's a history here in terms that could also figure into some of this perspectives and answering of questions about um the holy land and then even the dynamics of power structure we'd have to talk about it more another time but this is a there's an important perspective you're from I think the modern Christian right to look at as well definitely and just to attempt to answer your question as best I can Greg I would say that there is something long term here in terms of the intent of something that may be even beyond an individual human being or even power architecture that seems to be pushing itself into existence via these as you point out pieces on the board of geopolitics in our present moment and all that and so just in bringing us back to the way that you started us in terms of the word the current rise in the United States of the of the sort of technate administration the North American tech bro potential you know looking at the idea of replacing the American constant potential constitutional republic uh you know democracy system with some kind of neo-feudal techno monarchy of some sort that you I think that it's in this realm that we can see the larger logics that exist beyond even deep geopolitics and so I'll finish up by saying that look at the 20th century the the 20th century represented the rise of WMD weapons of mass destruction in a large way whether nuclear biological chemical and somewhat legitimately there then is alleged to be a response or reaction by state power centers around the world in terms of security state architectures and so now in the 21st century it's obvious that we're now we're in the motions of the engagement of artificial intelligence it's now been publicly put to use in terms of specific alleged targeting in Gaza where data bulk data collection by Israeli military intelligence unit 8200 put on Microsoft servers in Europe are then used to potentially bulk collect and then target entire families for partially AI decided targeting so that I think the kill chain being potentially disrupted or transcended from its human origins is potentially the deeper dynamic and the logics of power that we need to really watch out for uh right now as we get further into this uh 21st century well said and it is complicated uh we maybe we do have time to throw in one last thing because I can already get in front of the comments that I see in my head that are you know we didn't even mention Iran we didn't even mention China and I know you guys did a series where you read from a book about the Israeli Chinese relationship and the new Silk Road can we just fold that in really quickly what do you think is going on there is is Russia playing both sides of this alliance and that alliance or I think a lot of Americans are just really ignorant of the Israel China relationship too and and what's really going on there definitely and this is why you know I like to talk about the new multipolar world order which it looks like is being proposed in terms of maybe these three frontal figures of Trump Netanyahu and Putin but China is immediately right in the background there and what it looks like is that there is a proposal for a new world order that in some ways is a return to a regionalized sort of fiefdom system of some sort where the United States is put back in its hemispheric box of some sort and includes a highly stratified economic society that is sort of blatantly in oligarchy or plutocracy or techno elite driven society and then Russia and China and the eastern fold are become the major major deep geopolitical uh architects uh from there on downwards through the so-called third world through south central Asia through India and all that and as you pointed out the new silicon road or the belt road initiative or belt road it has become this major player in terms of the region and so I'll just point out that China plays these same kind of weaponized dialectic games where they you know have pushed very hardcore anti-zionist kind of perspectives uh via social media allowed it let's say on tiktok and and and and all of that and it's just now begun to come out amongst the foreign policy elite of while China will publicly criticize the Israel and Israeli actions and in Gaza to some extent they're only deepening their actual real economic and political relationship with Israel in terms of infrastructure and all of that and it does appear that for example the with the attacks on Iran but where Trump sent American B2 bombers to bomb Iranian nuclear sites that there was this whole emphasis by the so-called axis of resistance people or the new JPJQ people especially post-October 7th people on the internet that Iran was going to be backed by Russia as a countervailant force against the Zion American imperial west or something like that and and I was telling them I was like that's not really what's going to happen Iran specifically asked Putin's Russia for help they appear to have not gotten a return phone call of an answer on that and then Putin was asked about it afterwards and he's like well what do you want me to do like Israel is a Russian country we have millions of our people there there's millions of Russian speakers there in many ways so it does look in a certain way actually China has been handed the Iran file to some extent and Russia will be backing away a little bit and I'll just my final point will be for people to actually look at the deep background of Iran and the United States by looking into the actual real hostage crisis how the Khomeini was not just sort of an organic push he was actually helped he was installed by certain American cowboy CIA elements and so we see a strange repetition of the October so-called surprise from Carter into Reagan Bush as we actually see in terms of Biden into Trump in terms of Netanyahu making sure that certain hostage deals that were being ready to be made by almost all sides except for himself were not made until his boy Trump was reinstalled in the White House oh great point yeah I definitely see the parallel there one real quick real quick data point on this whole thing of China and this relationship is uh Jeremy you'll remember this years ago uh New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft was busted at this um you know massage parlor slash day spa in South Florida I think within what a hundred mile proximity of Mar-a-Lago and turns out that this woman was a you know owned by this Chinese national and there were all kinds of pictures of many different MAGA world people that were uh taken with this owner of this um of this place that uh this very very partisan Zionist um power you know very influential figure Robert Kraft uh partaking in and um there is this question there's some of these people whose key relationships I think that need to be evaluated like Steve Bannon who's kind of in some ways like the thought leader of like the you know what the anti-establishment quote-unquote side of MAGA and all this um has this extensive relationship with this Chinese billionaire Guo Wingui and then also this this relationship with I think at the sense you look at maybe there's a bit of a managing of like the opposition to the CCP as far as um the propping up of the Falun Gong by some of these networks and then also Jeremy um who is the guy who's helping to put in place some of the infrastructure for the um surveillance side of domestic Chinese operations as far as the Uyghur population goes it's Eric Prince a power broker as far as his family and his familial connections to this Christian uh you know organized elements of Christian Zionism and apocalyptic Christian Zionism Eric Prince has been helping to spearhead this whole um elements of the Belt Road Initiative and then also the domestic infrastructure as far as the crackdowns on um domestically in China goes so I think those are important um and then one more thing is the history of the Los Alamos laboratory you go back to the 90s and um figures such as the Epstein connected energy secretary under Bill Clinton uh Bill Richardson and events that went on there in the 90s leading up into 9-11 that was part of obviously what was covered in the book Seeds of Fire which is what we uh analyze that you mentioned uh Greg and so those are I think data points to take into consideration yeah the rabbit hole does go deep and there's many many layers to it and I think I'm left with even more questions than I started with today but that's the nature of what we do around here so thank you so much for your time guys I got to give Jeremy some props because if people go and watch that video on Brendan O'Connell's channel titled A Few Good Jews the on-screen title of this documentary seems to be Kill Switch How Israel Rules but Jeremy actually goes hard at so many political figures actually like catching them out on the streets or in the halls of Congress he put a microphone in the face of Bernie Sanders Kamala Harris Beto O'Rourke Cory Booker and Tulsi Gabbard all to ask them about this Jedi contract where Israeli intelligence was going to get control of the Pentagon's cloud security and they all had nothing to say I think Tulsi actually ran from him so brave woman but also I didn't realize this first interview we did when I looked at your IMDB page Jeremy you were in the classic geoengineering film what in the world are they spraying doing the same sort of questioning is actually a key part of the final act of that film so major props there but this has been really eye-opening guys when I look at your online footprint it is all over the place and it is also has years with no content even though you know this stuff really well so I just think your online presence and your depth of knowledge isn't a great match for each other but tell people where they can actually follow you in a reliable format in an ongoing sense and and give them your links and I mean you're filmmakers but I only see a couple of scattered films so tell people where to get the goods before I let you go for sure well first we've got a shout out john swinn at expose the enemy.com he was you know alongside us in terms of a lot of this research has done deep research in really crucial areas and then ever since our youtube channel has been taken down he's helped platform us in terms of his website and his youtube channel now turns out that our antidote youtube channel that was taken down in the run-up to the 20th anniversary of september 11th I believe in 2021 has actually been reinstated it looks like so people can actually go to the antidote youtube channel which is sort of sat behind in a black box for you know virtually the last half decade almost so so you can join us there you can follow us on twitter x i'm jeremy wrk there and and definitely you can find us at our the antidote patreon uh link but you as you point out greg we are all over the place and so maybe over the next year or so we could begin to make quote more coherent meaning connected between the depth of our research and the substantial nature of our thinking I think over the years and connect it with our the nature of our our consistency and our presence and our coherence uh online but thank you so much for having us yeah of course of course I'm glad you got the youtube channel back it's a shame that the adl wasn't there to defend you and get that back when you were so cruelly de-platformed by youtube as a persecuted jew yeah but yes this is great thank you guys enjoy the rest of your day and keep fighting the good fight all right people well that is as dj khaled would say another one and a return of a guest that I do consider to be long overdue nice to meet greg as well but I just like jeremy's vibe a lot very unique kind of guy there is a flow a poetry to his language and the way he delivers material and even though I don't think you could tell I did hold on to this one for way too long partly because of some sound issues that required a few revisions to improve but then also we recorded this right before charlie kirk was shot so the next couple recordings where of course it was coming up regardless of the subject matter we had planned well I had to bring those to the front of the line and this just kept getting pushed back more and more but it pairs really nicely with richard willett very much circling around some of the same threads that are important and this one being recorded first it really was these guys who educated me on the russia israel relationship I was pretty ignorant it becomes obvious the more you start to pick at it and work through some of the history it's just that the u.s israel relationship is such a big part of everything here that we sometimes don't think much beyond that I guess I'm guilty of the old american cliche that we can be kind of self-centered in our geopolitical analysis and maybe a lot of other things too but it was nice stuff to go over and when you learn the details about the israel russia relationship and then you have the u.s russia situation framed as us being opposing forces you really do start scratching your head because the logic breaks down and it seems more like a simulated opposition which most of us know I'm aware but it's just another layer of evidence to support what oftentimes is kind of more of a hunch let's say but I like these guys I wish they were a bit more consistent and frequent with their show Jeremy in particular has done so many things I mentioned there at the end that I think he should be more popular for questioning all those politicians firsthand in person being so key in the film what in the world are they spraying I mean when I prep for a show I'm pretty savvy at finding the work a person has done and these guys kind of elude me because it's not all in one place and even the show they put out is from someone else's website kind of it's just a shame that they haven't seen more popularity because they've got the hard part down which is being interesting and knowledgeable and having unique things to say the user-friendly digital infrastructure with some measure of consistency is what I think anybody can do I did think they brought up a pretty interesting point about COVID though that it does fall into the dialectic situation and I know for myself that because I didn't get the shot I kind of downplay the fact that I did get COVID whatever that means but it does mean something I guess if I had to rank choice what I think COVID was it would go probably at the top engineered virus low-level bioweapon intentionally released then electrical sickness as described in the invisible rainbow that they knew would happen as they installed a new level jump in the EMF infrastructure with 5g but also you know just saying it was 5g that's a big thing people say to dismiss the argument but just look around there is definitely a new density of roadside mega towers and I think that it's likely a factor if not a cause and then below that where you know I think it just people go a little far is saying that it was the literal flu and that there never really was anything but a campaign of fear through the media that just doesn't match my experience because I wasn't afraid and I got it loss of smell and all that my daughter got it she was too she didn't even know what COVID was she didn't know you could get sick at that point in her life and I just don't think that I was psyoped into manifesting symptoms nor was she but I don't rule it out entirely it's just probably the lowest of those three ranked choices but for the sake of argument if we go with what I said was most likely that they did release something intentionally well if you got it who knows what it really does to your body or what it does might not even be that different from the shot itself you know we don't know I definitely want to believe that to pass the big test and have no lasting damage all you had to do is avoid the shot but is that true is shedding a real thing for me it's better not to think too much about these things in which I cannot control anyway but maybe we should be more mad that we got sick or even if we didn't get sick our just joy of living was somewhat down regulated I actually had a great time during COVID I don't really consider those years to be that bad listenership was high money was coming in and I found a way to navigate without all that much of a problem with my social circle to a degree and when it came to going to places that were open and secret as like a speakeasy kind of thing I found that kind of fun and being someone who wasn't afraid me and my wife we would travel to Vegas or travel these places that were open and it was a little bit of an adventure I don't know but that's also when we bought our first local cow from a local rancher and did a meat draft in my backyard that was fun so just this idea that well if you got COVID you were definitely psyoped and scared into it I mean who knows what's going on at the deeper levels of the self but I just didn't feel that so they didn't get me in that sort of way really and with the shot of course I avoided it the only consequence for me was a couple of missed concerts that I was pretty okay with anyway although I will never forgive they might be giants I was a huge fan and they would write about such unique things in their songs and even though their music has an upbeat tempo there is a downer darkness macrob nature to the lyrics and I just loved them I was a big fan the statue got me high I palindrome I dig my grave I should be allowed to think Dr. Worm come on good stuff but now they just write songs for kids like science is real and demand vaccines for shows and they turned out to be very typical NPR New York liberal dorks but oh well what I'm saying is I agree that some of us might have had some blind spots over the COVID era and that maybe we do fall into the dialectic of COVID verse vax and that that could cloud our vision of the situation maybe just ever so slightly sometimes something to think about but overall good episode I would say that clearly wasn't the meat of the show but as you know there was a second hour and always is a second hour to all these interviews I do for plus members and this one we got into alternative media and the Jewish question the Jewish Christian relationship dichotomy and power dynamics there the crossroads of comedy and victimhood we could say and that is a good example of seeing where this show is a little bit dated because the comedy world really has been turning on the Austin comedy scene and the Rogan sphere and it was kicked off with these Marc Maron comments on bad friends and this was recorded kind of right when that interview initially happened and speaking of dialectics it does seem like so many people are taking sides in that conflict if you're a comedy fan I actually think they're both right the Austin comedy scene is not that cool and Marc Maron is also a very predictable New York NPR liberal probably would get along great with the they might be giants guys so I actually agree with some of Maron's critiques but I just know that it comes from such a politically motivated place that I have to roll my eyes and if there was any part of this interview where we did kind of get hung up on a thing it would be a little of the back and forth on the trans stuff which is always disappointing because it gets too much airtime already but it was part of that Marin comment so it came up and I just I do think trans people are fine and not under attack and aren't losing rights and that this culture of making them feel that way which is largely in my opinion exaggerated and hyped up is actually coming from their own party it's an engineered vibe that isn't really there I see plenty of trans people working at Starbucks and Target and all across retail and service industries and they certainly don't seem like they have any problems expressing themselves however they want to and that's great to me it's just like a thing where if you tell people they're coming to get you then you can activate them politically to be more engaged and feel like they have to be a Democrat with a capital D because the redcoats are coming I'm sure everybody's different but whatever is going on in your mind I think the real world experience of any American is that mostly everything is fine and nobody should really have any reason to feel unsafe day to day at least right now maybe a storm is coming but the sun is shining brightly today unless you're in inner city Chicago or something like that you know nothing is perfect all the time but for most people listening to a podcast I think you're going through your days and uh it's okay despite how fearful the media wants you to feel anyway that was most of the stuff in the plus show but also we got a little deeper into Epstein Maxwell and their takes on that and how it folds in and more in terms of what to expect going forward with their deep geopolitical analysis really good stuff I think they offer unique perspectives and that Talpiot show that we did with Jeremy years ago still stands out as unique to me and AI and the current tech infrastructure administration whole thing really only highlights the importance of paying more attention to where our software comes from whose software is controlling what infrastructure who's doing what with all the data and speaking of which I actually heard a pretty wild claim recently that Palantir already had a database on most Americans and that database was integrated into the hospital system so when COVID first happened they actually already had determined certain protocols for certain people and this gets pretty scary because you could say if they thought you were a dissident or a troublemaker of some kind that's where you would go into the remdesivir category you'd go into the intubation category and probably never come out it's interesting if that happened I wouldn't be super surprised it seems like a little early for that tech to be like fully operational but it definitely doesn't surprise me that's the intention and it wouldn't surprise me if that is rolled out in the future and that digital IDs obviously become a big part of that just a weird tangent but yes we do need to start asking more questions about where this stuff comes from and how much control have we given up and who really holds all the cards not in the conventional geopolitical chessboard way but on a deeper level so anyway I guess I would also say that is my primary motivation for exploring what they call the Jewish question I don't fault anyone for the random skin or random country and culture that they're born into we can all adapt and change of course some circumstances are harder than others but the framing that being curious about this stuff at all is anti-Semitic is just so wrong I don't care if someone is Jewish I only care if there's some sort of secret alliances that are slanting opportunity against me or against the people in general we know there are sometimes the bond is skull and bones or Freemasonry or some esoteric order they never admit to being a part of sometimes it's an Epstein network and sometimes it's a cult or a scaled up cult called a religion or maybe it's based on shared heritage and shared genetics and bloodlines saying I'm anti-Semitic for wondering it's just a trump card to end the conversation that you really don't want to have the reality is that I'm not even very good at knowing if someone is Jewish it's not something that I identify very well because I don't think about it very often except in the most obvious cases with names like Goldberg or Rubenstein you know unless we're talking about Mel Brooks or a Larry David archetype I don't even think about it and I'm not even very good at identifying it to me it doesn't even matter what matters is if you have a secret allegiance that is unadvertised to the rest of us that's all I really want to know and it doesn't matter if it's skull and bones or Israel or any other common bond if you're rigging the game or thinking of the rest of us as lesser than that should be exposed no matter who you are if you have any kind of power and that's quite obvious I would think but sign up for plus if you like what I do and want more of it always commercial free network free etc etc just a guy trying to make a living from offering up something compelling enough to buy the ticket and take the ride when there seems to be less and less truly independent and ad-free places out there and it's actually kind of nice or at least I feel vindicated seeing alternative media be looked at so skeptically all of a sudden when it comes to the money pouring in and the advertisers that are funding certain things hey it's a beautiful thing I steered clear of all that for a reason and it seems like it's bearing fruit all right in higher side news I think this episode will be the launch of the new email system for the tv tier the show should arrive right there embedded in an email and you can just press play no logging in or anything like that we might be waiting one more show I didn't get clarity before I started this wrap-up and now we're in it so we will see it's coming very soon though it's a nice feature it really cuts down on the friction of password protected content which is always my goal have it be secure enough for me to make a living but as convenient as possible for you anyway I've been rambling a while so let's keep this moving the last episode with Ram X it's got a 4.6 which is very good very good but the plus comments are far more mixed and I will say to them that I understand the mixed feelings because the content is unique and he did present some strange unexpected unique data but it wasn't clear enough how he arrived at those results he initially told me that it came from the secret cipher of the UFOnauts so I dug out the book and dug out the ciphers from inside of it and put them up on the screen behind me but then he said it was Pythagorean which I've never heard of a Pythagorean Gematria cipher so I don't know I could have done better because you gotta be super clear about the inputs for people to care about the outputs and I think that that's the biggest criticism of that episode and I think that it's valid I know he has had some conversations with plus members and hopefully clarified that stuff for the people who were most interested and reached out but if that's what it takes to make things clear then it's a missed opportunity by me it was one that came easy because he was keeping me updated on his work and I really wanted to return to the occult well so the grimoire analysis drew me in I know we do a lot on the occult UFO overlap but I just recently have felt the itch to do more shows on the field of magic itself not just a UFO thing or from the sorcerarchy perspective but more as a function of reality that we can access I want to scratch that itch and I thought the grimoire analysis would help I would say it did help but I'm still itchy on that one so we will see as for the meetup calendar let's run through that Monday October 27th Berlin's Find the Others event at the Volks Bar in Berlin, Germany I hope that goes well October 31st Halloween the Observatory Bar at the Mount Washington Hotel in Brenton Woods, New Hampshire November 5th Oakland, California at Bar Sheru November 6th Rancho Santa Margarita, California at Laguna Beach Beer Company November 7th Coppertail Brewing Tampa, Florida be there or don't but I will November 8th Woodstock, Virginia at the Woodstock Brew House and November 10th Eden Terrence Auckland, New Zealand Gale Brath's Ale House love to see it so yeah a couple people criticized me because when I saw the Tampa one last time I said oh no and that's just because my plate is pretty full and I immediately when I see that think well I gotta go so it just feels like another thing to put on the calendar it's fine I am really gonna try to go to the Tampa meetup it is in the evening which is the hardest time when you have little kids I've been talking to a couple of people that I met at the last one and kept in touch with and I think they're gonna go too so it'll be nice and speaking of the last event here in Tampa I doubt this person is listening but I met someone last time I believe they were in college as an archaeologist some sort of Graham Hancock adjacent younger dryest enthusiast alternative history sort of field and they gave me their business card and they wrote a lot of stuff on there in terms of things we could talk about if they were to be a potential guest and I actually had it in my wallet but I lost my wallet when I was drinking too much with Gordon White back in March I probably left it on a table somewhere I don't know but if that guy is listening this is why I never followed up on that maybe you can email me if you hear this thehighersidechats at gmail.com okay lots of people listening to a message meant for one guy I get that moving on that pretty much does it for me what else is there to say follow the antidote podcast expose the enemy on patreon and rumble and youtube as well as expose the enemy.com say what up on twitter and all that good stuff I'm getting out of here I've done my part your move compromise controllers dialectic dictators and secret relationship concealers your fucking do you feel betrayed by the ones you're told to trust well you know you don't get much help from the ones that beat you up like a dog that don't obey we're just left to lick the wounds they say that it will be okay or at least be over soon and the cycle continues cause we don't seem to care for the ones who come after lurk really is an awful trait but what are you gonna do it's the deal our parents made we see the crash is apathetic to the next collision haven't even had the time to heal so the cycle continues don't make the space for the ones easier to believe the lies so the cycle continues cause it's all about me and the ones that come after can try to get themselves free we never have the drive we sometimes have the mindset right rarely tempted to thrive hard to truly go so again we pun continue discuss for the ones no one did it from our mistake we we have the