John Klyczek | School World Order Updates, AI Teachers, & Techno-education

The planet puppet masters will surely have a plan. There's clearly maybe something there beyond the realm of man. And until we've thoroughly tested every last close-chested view, I find the more we think we know, the less we really do. Where would we be without THC? Cause we know that... Alright, well my world's on fire. How about yours? From the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood. And when we hear about the lofty transhumanistic surveillance state plans of the technocrats, it's hard to imagine the widespread adoption and implementation of it all, due to some of the technical limitations of older generations, and the resistance to change that middle-aged people seem to have for their digital routines and patterns that are pretty well established. If you haven't heard, onboarding's tough. There's a lot of people out there. But as we've seen already, it's in the schools where new norms are implemented. Without the prying eyes of parents and the general public. Creating a whole new generation who sees no different. A generation trained to enter society, assuming many of the invasive new technologies are normal. Ready to maintain these implementations for the rest of their lives. Where once the behaviorists trained us on the punch card, lunch break, and assembly line work day with school's rigid structure and Pavlovian bell-ringing response, the new generation is currently being tracked and traced, surveilled, and onboarded to monitoring tech, biofeedback devices, digital currency, and even AI tutors and teachers, if you can believe it. Where once the empty threat of a permanent record was easy for clever kids to see through, today's kids are actually being fused to one that might follow them into the workforce, if they're even lucky enough to find employment based on the compliance data they've accrued from an early age in what really is looking like a data-driven, gamified life. Well, nobody knows this space better than my friend and yours, John Kleisik. He's been a public educator for 15 years and is the author of School World Order, The Technocratic Globalization of Corporatized Education, a book that came out in 2019 before we even saw the COVID-era beta testing of all this stuff and AI-driven everything. He's been here twice before, once at Ground Zero in April of 2020, and again in August of 2021. His predictions have become warnings and his warnings have become dangers, so let's go. The techno-education critic, transhumanistic corporate web tracker, and the Taoist professor himself, John, welcome back. Hey, Greg, thanks for having me back. Yeah, I am psyched to do this because it's not as hypothetical as it might have felt a few years ago. AI has quickly become ubiquitous across all industries. It's replaced search. It's writing people's emails for them badly. It's just here now in a way that it wasn't in 2021. So to hear how it's being used in the classroom is very scary. My kids are two and four now, and my wife and I are having a hard enough time when we look for schools that meet our high standards, and then we say, well, we don't want our kids to be learning off an iPad. And it seems like we're worried about yesterday's problems because today's problems are actually far worse. Do you find it a little easier to talk to people about this stuff now as opposed to when the book came out because we actually have experience with LLMs and AI and all that stuff? You know, I recently actually had about half my hours replaced by a bot that basically intermediates tutoring at one of the schools where I adjunct and also tutor. And the writing center director there was not exactly excited about this new development. So that's, I've noticed just now that that's the case, like I was basically online since lockdowns just because, right, I was avoiding the needle. But now because they have this bot that's going to be at least intermediating, more virtual tutoring, if you want hours, like you got to kind of come in more. So I've been coming in person more. And I do hear people, you know, I've heard conversations, critical conversations about AI. So definitely there's more awareness. But to your point, I think the conversations I hear is kind of like, that's, you guys are like, it's good that you're thinking about it, but it's like you're a couple steps behind like where we're at right now. You know, everybody's largely concerned about like just automation generally and like using AI for plagiarism. And when we got wind of the company, well, actually I asked him, I said, what's the name of the company? And then he says, it's Upswing. And then he says, if you find anything out about it, let me know. So, okay. I mean, I know I'm going to. And so it turns out the company is like tied into a bunch of impact investment firms and venture capital firms. So the idea is that this company basically keeps a ledger of data based on student outcomes. And then it's going to basically securitize those outcomes for impact investing. So I basically tried to explain that it's not just about automating and streamlining basically the intellectual labor of teaching and tutoring. It's not about cutting costs there. I said, it also makes the money, generates profit because the data that's gathered by using the bot, you can then use that to apply for these impact investment grants. So that brings more money in. And at that point, he basically said that, which, you know, this is more than I've gotten from a lot of people, but it was like, I don't use like, I don't think there's very much that, that I can do about that systemically. So his solution has been to try to, we're making, basically making spreadsheets of our own data to compete with the data that it has. But I tried to explain that, like, the way that the AI scales the data, you can't spreadsheet it. Like, like you're not, you need AI to be able to individualize the data outcomes. And then it can also do group analytics. So it could do by like class, freshman, junior, sophomore, senior. It can do by gender, ethnicity, socioeconomic bracket. It could go institution wide. Right. So like, anyways, that's, I'm seeing some pushback, I guess, but not enough, I guess. Right. Yeah. Of course, where it counts is what you're seeing in the schools with the administrators. But I kind of meant more like in general, because I remember talking to you and hearing this stuff and thinking it was just so kind of like jumping the shark. Like, is this really going to happen? It might, it may be what they want to happen. And it may be what they write in these think tank reports that they want to happen, but we didn't have it. And then we really did just wake up and it is everywhere, implemented in every system we use, being foisted upon us. It's just kind of wild. And now that that is true, you think about what's happening in schools and you're like, oh, my God, like these kids kind of need to be protected. This is really insane. But you mentioned this upswing company and their product, Anna, which is their AI. They name it Anna. Always got to give it a human name. This one's probably for analytics. And I guess part of me is like, why is all this data important? It just seems like since COVID, it's been like, oh, we'll do the test because you get the plus or the minus. And like the test tells you everything, but the test is wrong half the time. And then everything has to be like quantified in a number on a graph. And it's just kind of silliness because I just don't think that it's that important at all. But yet it's important for the agenda because this is really what's going to drive these kids' lives. And as you've talked about, maybe you can elaborate, but they're violating HIPAA rules and all sorts of data that was supposed to be private is being fed into this machine because the machine must operate and consume on data, on numbers. Yeah, I think it's part and parcel to the emerging, the new fintech economy in the fourth industrial revolution, which is largely going to be based on instead of sort of like a debt-based economy, it'll be a debt-based economy leveraged with predictive analytics. And so basically the impact investment economy and the AI economy are two sides of the same coin, right? So like in the instance of something like Anna, right? So let me just pause and explain what impact investing is, right? So basically like in education, we have particular types of impact investments called pay for success. And there's provisions for these in the Every Student Succeeds Act, which is the main federal bill that oversees K-12 public education in the United States. And so basically the way these work is that a nonprofit or for-profit company will put money up front to help achieve certain education outcomes. But it could be healthcare outcomes or workforce outcomes or criminal justice recidivism outcomes for at-risk students. All these things could pertain. And they're going to put money up front and to the degree to which they achieve those outcomes, learning, healthcare, workforce, et cetera, they can make that money back. The government will pay them back or they can even make a profit if they exceed those outcomes, okay? So in other words, you need, as I was mentioning with the case of this company Upswing, you need that scalable level of data to be able to track in real time the degree to which each student. Achieves the outcome achieves the outcomes. You need the AI to get the data. You need the data to get the impact investment. And then the impact investment company, they need that data back so they can get their money back from the government, right? And so what we're basically, and the way that these outcomes, they monetize is basically through securities. So a good example would be, and a lot of social impact investment stuff usually emphasis like ESG, DEI, SDG outcomes, right? So environmental, social governance, diversity, equity, inclusion, sustainable development, sort of these kind of like left of center kind of modalities, right? That we've seen, but there are like right-wing versions of this that just kind of remove all that, all the sort of the woke categories. And they just kind of focus on like socioeconomic outcomes, like workforce development. And so one would be American Enterprise Institute, and they have data that looks at like, okay, how they can quantify learning outcomes in terms of future monies saved or spent. So an example would be, and this was how Kamala Harris was able to basically put parents in jail for not bringing their kids to school on time. That was, if students are tardy and they don't do good, then they're going to not pass. If they don't pass, statistically, this means they're more likely to go to jail. So instead of waiting for them to go to jail later, we'll put mom in jail now and prevent this. So now turn that into money, if we can say statistically students that don't do so well end up in jail, or maybe they need mental health care, or they need other social welfare services. This costs us money. This costs us public dollars. So statistically, we can quantify those monies, right, that would either be saved or lost based on these student outcomes. And then you can basically securitize those future expected monies into a bond that you attach to the student. And then that bond appreciates based on the data produced through the learning modules, et cetera. But basically what this, you know, because you're saying like, what is this ultimately for? So basically, because you're, by doing so, you're inflating this other bubble of like financial instruments that are literally attached to human beings. And you're, you're just a stacking another layer of like a casino economy. So, you know, the AI is not just important to keep track of these monies, but to your point, the quantization, right, the reducing everything to a measurable number basically makes the reason I use casino economy is it's the idea that you can more or less gamble on. And they would probably use something like sponsor or invest in, but gamble on these outcomes where the risk is managed statistically enough where, right, the house always wins, right? So it's another way that you can. And so ultimately what it's about is supply chain management more than it's about profit creation, like in a traditional capitalist model. It's more about, right, getting people to behave in a particular way to keep supply chains moving in the way, the impetus for making those supply chains move is sort of the punishments and rewards of, right, tokenized social credit attached to these bonds. I'm going to stop because I know I put way too many items on the fire. I'm going to stop. All good. All good. But it really is like betting on the success or failure of human beings in a lot of ways, the commodification of a life based on their compliance data and their profiles. I mean, that's, yeah, like you're saying, that's what the numbers are for is to make these assessments. You got to have the numbers. Otherwise, you're just shooting in the dark, but they're not actually important to the individual. I would say because people change and I'm so thankful. Well, I guess it doesn't matter because I don't have a conventional job. But when I was younger, I was always under the threat of this mistake you made is going to follow you forever. It's going to go down on your permanent record. And I knew that was dumb. I knew that the school I was going to be going to after eighth grade barely even talked to the other school. And I knew that it just didn't make much sense. It was an empty threat. But it's not so empty anymore, right? I mean, there's programs being implemented in school at a grade school level that will probably follow these kids all throughout. And just like your medical history is in this folder that goes from doctor to doctor, you know, the old Seinfeld bit. She could never see what's in her own file. That's kind of going to be true with kids. And if the job market can actually see these reports, that gets really scary because you kind of are shackled to your previous tendencies, even if you want to change. Yeah, and one of the ways that that system is sort of emerging, some of the pieces that are getting put in place currently under the Trump administration have to do with the push for the school choice funding mechanisms. So it's a basket of various different types of – they're basically vouchers. I mean, but some of them are called education savings accounts. Others are called tax-credited, quote-unquote, scholarships. And basically, this is ways that they're going to funnel public tax dollars and attach them to students. So the mantra for someone like Corey DeAngelis, who is sort of like the mascot for school choice right now, is he says, fund students, not schools, or fund students, not buildings, or something like that, right? It's the idea that why give money to these faceless institutions when you can give it to the student or the family, and then they can individually choose to purchase different ed tech products or services or maybe go to a private school. But this is one of the ways where if you attach this voucher money to the digital wallet companies that are being promoted to facilitate it. So I should just step back one second and note that, right, so Trump ran on school – he's always been pro-school choice, but the whole Project 2025 thing that he said he wasn't going to do and they disavowed, but it turns out they did, like, most of it. Well, in the education department section, it's all – a big chunk of it is about school choice, and it's promoted. The authors of it are connected to various Koch brothers-funded think tanks that are connected to the state policy network, and we could maybe name some of those later, but if you go to my articles, you can go through them. But these companies – or these think tanks are promoting the use of digital wallets like ClassWallet, Odyssey, Merit International, Student First Technologies, and some of these companies already have blockchain applications like SAP Ariba. So basically what you're going to – what they'll do is, right, you'll be attaching – you'll be funding the student, but you'll be attaching that education, the savings account to that student through a digital wallet. And I – long term – now, they don't say this in Project 2025, but the way this is going to dovetail with the impact investing is that you probably have, like, at some point, like a base kind of UBI kind of education fund, and then you can apply for these other education savings accounts or tax-credited scholarships. And the tax-credited scholarships, a lot of them have to be distributed by what are called scholarship-granting organizations or scholarship-funding organizations. So there's this nonprofit middleman, so to speak, and a lot of these are impact investment organizations, right? So you'll have an impact investment firm that will dole out the voucher money, the ESA, the scholarship, whatever they want to call it. They'll dole it out through a stable coin, programmable, right, and they'll transfer it through the blockchain ledger on the digital wallet. But by doing this now, you've not just attached the money to the student, but you've attached the funding mechanism, which also means, right, the government regulations that oversee that, right? Because remember that the impact, it's a public-private partnership, so the government has to oversee the data just like the nonprofit or the for-profit SGO has to oversee it. Yeah, the money has strings attached. They don't just give out the money. It comes with the regulation. Yeah, and so wherever that student goes, whether they, like, back in the day, let's say you didn't do so good at one school or, you know, maybe a couple teachers had it out for you at this other school. And then you move and you go somewhere else and it's like a clean slate, you know, nobody assumes anything about your abilities or your behaviors. And, you know, maybe you click different in that environment and all of a sudden you're, you know, you perform in a totally different manner. But here in this system, right, that voucher money and that wallet and that ledger and all the analytics that come from whatever edtech products you purchased and sort of the feedback loop between the fintech inputs, the purchases and the edtech outcomes. It doesn't matter if you go to this school or that school or you go to this company or that company because the central node that aggregates all of this essentially psychological profile for this individual student biopsychosocial data, it's all on that blockchain ledger, which basically is like dual purpose digital ID, but also, you know, this data mining machine for the feedback loops that we just noted. Mm hmm. Yeah. We're seeing a little bit of that here because I mean, I don't like to get too deep on the personal stuff, but I mean, it's very relevant to this one. But our daughter is for she got moved up a grade and great fine. She's in pre-K. Who cares? But the issue is that in Florida, there's a law that you have to be a certain age going into kindergarten. So now we're stuck in a weird thing where she has to do kindergarten twice because the law says that you must. And my wife just hates this. I mean, she's really it's it's really a thorn in her club. And so she's trying to find a school that will not make her do this. And she's learned that she has to first ask, are you part of the state of Florida's like voucher program? Because if they are, then that's the requirement. But she has found out that some don't take that money and then get to make their own rules. And so we're looking at that, which are going to be the schools that we're going to be interested in anyway. So, yeah, just it's just funny you say that because the strings attached, it's happening in our life. One of the companies that I mentioned is is the one that facilitates the Florida. It's in my database and people that want to see you can go in on my website and get a subscription to the database. But yeah, I want to one of the digital wallet companies that I noted facilitates the scholarship. And there's a couple of different, actually, I actually have it here. You say by combining because there's three pillars to this, there's AI tech, fintech and ID tech. You say by combining these three, the digital wallet industry is stacking and building blocks for a cybernetic matrix through which AI can data mine predictive social credit analytics by tracking and tracing how the transmission of school choice subsidies through blockchain student ID ledgers correlate with specific ed tech learning outcomes. In fact, at least one fintech platform, SAP Ariba, which collaborates with World Economic Forum partners such as IBM and Amazon, distributes school choice scholarships issued by the Florida State Department of Education, in addition to interfacing blockchain applications and AI tools that monitor environmental, social and governance scores and other social credit metrics. So yeah, I'm in the belly of the beast here. The head of the Department of Education is Linda McMahon from the WWE, if you can believe that, but helps make that case that they did most of it, because I know there were alarm bells on the left about project 2025. Other people were saying, look, this is just some far out extreme end of the right thing. And, you know, whatever, there's always think tanks making reports on what they should do, but talk to us about how what's in project 2025 in the realm of education is exactly what they did do in this first year. Okay. So first I'll go through the particulars of what they did, but I'll do a little, I'll tell a little anecdotal story about my mentor, Charlotte Thompson Iserbeet, which should illustrate that even if I, even if I couldn't explicate the particulars that you should know that they're lying when they say that they don't know anything about project 2025 and they're not, they're not going to implement it. And that's because it was created by the heritage foundation. Okay. The heritage foundation, what Charlotte told me was on day one, when Republican administration gets into, into power. And just for those who don't know, I mean, you probably most, most probably do you've had, you've had her on, she passed away in 2022 and she blew the whistle on this thing called project best basic education skills through technology is kind of precursor to everything we're talking about. But she said on day one, right, basically cabinet level officials, you get a heritage foundation playbook. That's what you get. And that is, that's basically the heritage playbook is the Republican party platform that essentially sets the agenda. Now, you know, can secretaries and the president, you know, make an audible here or there, or, or, you know, decide with, with some degree of creativity, how they implement these policies maybe, but here's the other part. But it's not just the case that that's the ball game that they play. The first time around that he was in there, Trump was in there. One of the people on his transition team was Edwin Meese council for national policy. Well, Edwin Meese was also involved in the Reagan administration when Charlotte was there. So in other words, right, not only is it that they're doing the same thing that they did in the Reagan administration, which is using the heritage playbook, but the same people that are on the transition team are the same people. So it's the same personnel. It's the same institution. It's this, it's the same model. All right. So let's just, you know, put that to the side. So when he said he's never seen it, I can't believe that, that that's a true statement. Now, project 2025 is the entire executive branch, right? And so all the different departments, department education, energy, the DOJ department, all of it. Right. So, I mean, I'm focusing on education. The document itself was like 800, 900 pages. The education section is 60 to 80 pages, but I mean, just, I can know without, without any going into particular detail. I mean, obviously the, the, the, the ice operations, you know, that's obviously from out of project 2025, right? A lot of the FCC stuff. Okay. Is out of project 2025, but let's look at education basically. Well, there's two parts. The one thing that they didn't do was the one thing that I said they wouldn't do. And that's because they couldn't do it. That was the selling point. And that was, they were going to get rid of the department of education. Now you can't get rid of the department of education without an act of Congress. So every time they kept announcing that he's going to abolish it by executive order, right? I'd have to go online and respond to a bunch of people that don't understand how, how our constitution works. Right. And then what I said was, okay, even if he were to get abolished, the department of education, that doesn't get rid of all the federal entitlement programs that are embedded in the every student succeeds act. So all that would do, if he did get rid of it, would, it would just scatter, like, instead of having the department of education oversee those particular entitlements, they would go to other agencies. And this is how it was before. So for people who don't know the department of education, we've had federal education in this country since like the 1860s was first a department or I'm sorry, it was an office in the department of the interior. Then in the Eisenhower era, they moved that office and they create a separate department of health, education, and welfare. In 1979, that gets broken up into two departments. So you had the department of education, and then also the department of health and human services, which is the health and welfare part. So they broke and just, and they gave them, they just expanded the size of these things. So if they were to get rid of it, all that would do was basically, it would basically either push it back to some form that was more or less similar to its prior instantiation, right? As basically a distribute. So like, I'll just give you some examples. There's federal entitlements in at least, so I mentioned ESSA, but then there's also the HEA, which is Higher Education Act. There's the Individuals with Disability Education Act. Then there's a Workforce Investment and Opportunity Act, right? So you'd have to get rid of all of those. I feel like most of this was just hype to like get people excited about, you know, he's getting rid of the deep state. He's going to make, he's going to bloviate on this. Even the stuff on the Title IX stuff, all that does, the executive order is that they rescind previous executive orders. So again, it doesn't undo any of the Title IX stuff that's in federal legislation. And what they said was, what they wanted to do in particular was, in Project 2025, they said they wanted to move the Institute of, well, I won't, I won't itemize them, but the particular agencies that they wanted to send things to would be Department of Justice for like Title IX stuff, Department of Labor for adult ed and career and technical ed. And then they'd move Office of Special Ed and Post-Secondary Ed to HHS. Now, when you heard McMahon be grilled or, you know, for her appointment before they, you know, when, when she had to be the hearing to to okay her. And they asked her, are you guys going to get rid of the department? Well, but we're not going to defund it. Okay. So she's telling you there. Then she goes through and they, and she says, well, how are you going to enforce Title IX? Which is another indication that they're not going to get rid of it. Because if you want to make sure that you're going to keep men out of women's sports, that means you're going to have to have some kind of statute to oversee that, which means you're going to have to have Title IX, which means you have to keep the entitlement. Right. And so they said, well, I don't know if it wouldn't be better served at DOJ. So like everything she said was in line with that. Now, what turns out is that they did issue some executive orders to not abolish, although that's how people reported on it. But to, I guess it dismantles an okay word. Because if you dismantle something, right, you're like, you smash it in the pieces, but the pieces are still sitting there. So they did some of that. They moved all of the IDE, IDEA, Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, all the special ed stuff, they did move to HHS. But that has nothing to do with some radical move that is entirely within the provisions of the Department of Education Act, which says that in order to reduce or get rid of duplicative services and redundancies, if there's anything that could be better served in one department versus the other, we can do that. So they just moved stuff over there. So the one thing that I actually, you know, Charlotte and I would have probably, depending on how they went about it, would have actually been on board with, would have been the curtailing of federalized education. But none of that actually happened. The things that did happen was the school's choice stuff. And that's the privatization stuff. That's the public-private partnership. So they had two main things that they wanted to do with it. Well, three. The third one was just issuing discretionary grants. So there's all this money that comes in based on the entitlements through the, right? It's like monies that is allotted through the legislative process. Then the department itself has its own budget. And within that budget, it's allowed, it has a certain amount of money it can use for discretionary grants. And so it can say, Hey, we're going to give this school this much money to do this program. And these are ways that where the department is more than just a regulatory agency, but actually can influence like curriculum and policy by incentivizing with these programs. So they wanted to do, they wanted to turn those grants into like school choice vouchers. That's one thing. Last I checked, I don't, I don't know that they've done a lot with that. You know, something that we've noticed again, going personal here in Florida, when we moved, cause we had to leave California because our kids were getting into school age and we're not going to get them 60 shots. So we were forced to leave the state because there's no wiggle room there at all. So we came to Florida for multiple benefits, that being one. And we've gone to a few homeschooling conferences or expos. And what we found in Florida is that if you do homeschooling, the state government will give you $8,000 per kid. Hey, you're paying for the public education. You're not using it. Here's an $8,000 voucher. Well, what we're finding at these expos and we were looking for resources is that there's a lot of families in Florida, particularly rural Florida, where they're having four, five, six kids getting eight grand per kid and then teaching from the Bible. And they're just kind of using that money as income. So, you know, that's not exactly great. Also not exactly what you're talking about either, but there's just a lot of problems with that sort of system and how it's implemented. But I just wanted to fast forward a little bit here to talk about the wallets because you mentioned them. And this is one of those areas where how are they going to implement stable coins? How are they going to implement digital currencies? Well, a lot of it comes from the people who need money for benefits or the people who need money in situations where they're dealing with an institution that the government's involved in, like school. And I just had this here where you write that if you've never heard of ClassWallet, it actually made the Inc. 5000's prestigious annual list of the fastest growing private companies in America for the third year in a row. And BenefitWallet is being used to disperse tax-advantaged funds from health savings accounts already and is expanding. I guess, you know, this is one of those big things, you know, school choice. This is how the money is distributed. And for people who don't think Project 2025's educational policy is implemented in the actual government policy. This is how kind of the PayPal mafia is implementing some of this stuff. And these wallets are active right now. BenefitWallet was a subsidiary of the Xerox Corporation. And it's just wild. Like if you're not involved in schools at all, you don't know this is happening, but it is happening to an entire generation and a whole subset of people who need some kind of assistance. So two things. One is, you know, two companies, ClassWallet and BenefitWallet. These are like two inverse examples that illustrate how what we're looking at in terms of the digital wallet industry and to facilitate school choice funds is going to basically be the ubiquitous medium for distributing public funds through all federal and probably state agencies as well. Okay. So with something like ClassWallet started off largely distributing emergency relief funds for education during the lockdowns. But now if you go to their website, you can see that they're trying to branch out into to facilitate payments for FEMA, HUD, and HHS. Now BenefitWallet started out in the opposite. They were basically overseeing health savings accounts, which you're hearing a lot about recently, right? So, and by the way, I do think that part of this, all this, the assault on public services and social services is ultimately what they're going to do is offer these, these types of solutions, right? And like an impact investment, it's a middle ground thing, right? It's, it offers the best of both like the welfare state and like the company town, so to speak. It's a public private partnership that's going to dole out social services or welfare monies, but based on, right, like work requirements and like, you know, analytics, right? Like you have to earn your tokens in these social programs, but BenefitWallet started off as like an, for health funds, and then it moved into education. So like, this is going to be the main medium and part of it's going to be, and this is the argument they make for school of choice too, this mantra about waste, fraud, and abuse, right? All this stuff about fraud here and fraud there. So, which there is some reality too. I mean, 37 trillion in debt, we don't want the whole system to fall apart. No, definitely. But here's the funny thing about it. If you look at something like, it's one of the white papers, it's written by one of the coauthors of Project 2025. I want to say off the top of my head that it is Jonathan Butcher's piece in Heritage about fintech. If it's not him, it's Max Eden, but I'm 99% sure it's Butcher. They talk about like, right, well, it's really good because it'll help with the blockchain. Like right now you can get like visas and MasterCard, like prepaid cards. They're programmed with a purchasing code. And so that restricts what you can buy with it, but they're not super precise. So like you could go to Walmart and buy school supplies, but maybe you could buy food with it that you're not supposed to buy. And so there's like this, there's this certain amount of fraud that occurs. And they're saying, well, with blockchain and stable coins, et cetera, with this new fintech, right? Now we can really have more precise programming codes for these particular digital markets and these particular schools, et cetera. But in the same document, they go like, you know, but ultimately what's more important, it's okay if there's some fraud, if they're, if they're getting more access and spending more money, they're okay with a certain amount of fraud as long as they're the ones making the money. Yeah. It's, it's classic problem, reaction, solution. I mean, here's the problem and here's our fix for it. And it's going to be worse. Meanwhile, you know, giving the biggest budget ever to the military, no need to cut that at all. Uh, it's just going to be the, the small amounts that regular people get who need it. But I want to talk a lot about what's happening to kids in the classroom rather than, you know, necessarily the funding arms of some of this stuff. And one of the big things is biometrics. So I was pretty optimistic about RFK junior being in the administration. I mean, cautiously optimistic, you know, it seemed like he had to make a devil, uh, deal with the devil kind of situation, but there is some stuff going on, you know, banning some dyes. Like there's no need for dyes that are toxic to be in food at all. And they just flipped the food pyramid, putting real food on top. That's not nothing. It's going to have implementations in school and prison lunches, I suppose. But this is also part of the problem reaction solution thing. It's like, okay, Americans are unhealthy. The diets are trash. So we need the monitoring. We need the biometrics to make sure everybody's on track. And you seem to have had some inkling that this was going to be a problem for RFK junior, or that maybe he has investments in this area or friends in this area. So this would be the way in which they can work with them. Is that kind of true? I don't remember the particular, it was a long time ago. I remember Allison McDowell was sharing his portfolio a long time ago. It was health tech, biotech, pretty sure there's some impact investment stuff in there too. To your point with the wearables, like I, when I saw that portfolio, it made me think about this project connected to the precision medicine initiative that I wrote about a long time ago in a natural news piece. And the precision medicine initiative was kicked off under Obama. I think, I think Fauci was involved with it. I'm pretty sure that don't quote, I might, I might not be remembering that accurate. It's been a while, but the piece, one of the things that stood out to me was, so there was a particular subset of the precision medicine is personalized medicine. So the precision part is the personalized part. Personalized part is like based on your personal genetics for the most part, but basically it's more of an, there's an epigenetic component to it. So epigenetic is the theory that, right, your genes are expressed and are changed in response to environmental pressures or stimuli, I guess. So it's not just right. Nature versus nurture. There's like this dialectic between the two. And the subset was called all of us and they need however many million people. And what they wanted to do was basically put wearables on them. And the guy that was in part of the, in charge of the project was Eric Dishman. And that was his background was, I think he made like smart homes for people with either like army vets or like people with Alzheimer's and stuff. So, you know, like things that make sure that like, you don't harm yourself. You don't forget to take your pills, don't leave the stove on all these types of sensors and things. And so he was put in place on this project to basically monitor people's DNA and monitor their lifestyle habits based on their wearables and then draw correlations between, right. I mean, because if you have a particular gene, you know, what's the BRCA, the breast cancer gene, right. Doesn't mean you're going to have it, just means you're more likely to get it. And so part of this study is to, is to see, okay, what types of dietary habits, exercise or lack thereof, right. Either keeps these pathologies from expressing themselves genetically or triggers them to things like that. And so they're looking at feedback loops between your environmental behaviors and what's going on in psych. Now think about everything I said about school choice, impact investing and social credit. Just do that with this instead of the ed tech module, right. It'll just be another ledger instead of you'll have a education ledger here on the blockchain. You'll have your health ledger here. You get impact school choice tokens here. You get health tokens here. And then based on, you know, how, how much exercise, what type of foods you do or don't eat, you can get more health tokens and things like that. And I, I'm, you know, and so you, and you'll have your health savings account that they'll put it in instead of your education savings account. When he, as soon as he came out and said it, I was like, well, I guess pretty sure I'm right then. Because I mean, I mean, this was all sort of, I was just kind of inferring, okay, if this is this and that's that, and you put these together and, and we keep going down the road and then he goes, comes out and announces it to your point. I think that's this administration, you know, the lockdowns, it looked like the end to a lot of us, you know what I mean? Like, no, that's true. It was scary, but imagine. So now how you can leverage sort of that, all of the emotions and the fears and anxieties you have about such a scenario occurring again. And, and right. Like the people that were voices of our side of the argument, you put these people up as heroes, like what, what can they get you to trust now? You know? And so, you know, you use this like in terms of HHS, right? Yeah. Bobby, who is, you know, health freedom and, you know, anti-mandates and he's going to, Hey, put on your wearables. And on the positive side, they did, uh, greatly reduce the vaccine schedule. I mean, I, that's another positive, the food pyramid and the vaccine schedule. These are two things that I really cared about a lot, but as you say, the wearables is the kind of the backdoor into technifying everything in, in health. On the education front, you had all the woke stuff, you know what I mean? Critical theory, queer theory, and right. All that, right. All the gender stuff and like, you know, and the lockdowns too, because right. I mean, you, you know, I just described to you that I don't want to be online. I don't want to be feeding the, the machine, so to speak, but if it's a choice between teach online and get a jab, you know what I mean? I, I, you know, I'm, I'm sorry. I'm going to preserve my biological integrity. So, but that's another thing that I think was much of what this administration gets away with is only because they had the last four years prior to point to as the boogie. Do you want that to come back? Do you want the, you know, and, and there's a long history, not just of your, your heritage foundation, Cato, your old school Koch brothers network, neoconservative beltway, libertarian think tanks, pushing that type of culture war stuff, but the PayPal mafia feel and David Sachs, right. The, you know, the diversity myth and the Stanford review. And so, you know, like that's, they've always stoked the culture war stuff as leverage to come in with their privatization schemes. Yeah. And you know, another thing about the wearables, it's like, it's another step towards transhumanism. It's another step towards just get used to this tech being on your body and integrated into monitoring your heartbeat at all times and your brain waves at all times. And then you get a job and your boss has all the readouts on his screen of who's paying attention and who's most focused and you get a talking to and all that stuff. But, you know, Dr. Jack Cruz, he was very optimistic on RFK Jr. And he's such a cynical guy, which is, you know, he kind of made me more optimistic because he's like, I've had these back room meetings with Shanahan and, and him, and this is the stuff we're going to do, but he has turned for sure. He's been very critical because he says, you don't improve health by bathing in blue light and EMFs, no matter what the numbers on the screen say. His whole thing is light and how it affects us and EMFs and how they affect us, these unseen forces on the good side, you know, sunlight on the negative side, all the tech light. But he's like, if you care about your health, the worst thing you can do is cover yourself in all this tech and make sure you're always connected because it is destroying your mitochondria. So it's just interesting, but this is what they need. They're not concerned about that. They, this is just what they need to do the monitoring all throughout. And I just wanted to ask you, you mentioned Alison McDowell. Have you talked to her recently? She, she was very, very big on this stuff and the commodification of people and the building of profiles and putting them all on wall street and gambling on outcomes of underprivileged kids. She kind of went off on me on Twitter as that I was part of the problem because she gets very vigilant about, uh, any use of crypto. And just the simple fact that I accept crypto as a form of payment for the show, like she had a huge problem with that, but I take tea. People send me coffee and tea for the, I'll just take anything, you know, but I don't know. She's, she's had some conflicts with other people. She just doesn't seem to have much of a compromise on this. And maybe, maybe we shouldn't to her credit, but have you talked to her at all recently? You know, she likes to comment on things that I do because we kind of had a similar scenario. I never said a, never said a crossword to her. Never. We talked. I don't want to go through the whole thing, but you know, I, I, I, we came in contact when there was the thing where she was, a lot of it was revolved around the crypto thing and beefing with Whitney and Ryan Christian and them. And I thought I was going to be the, like, Hey, I'm a person that's not, you know, in the, I know these people, but I don't. So I'm detached. So like, Hey, maybe we could all sit down. I could like, you know, conflict resolution. You're going to be the moderator. I was able to talk to her on the phone. It was a good conversation for most of it. And at the end, I won't go into particulars. It didn't, didn't like my position on that debate that she was having. I guess she wanted, wanted me to take her side, I guess. And I was trying to be more neutral, but ever since then, very often, actually, I just spoke in San Francisco. There's a labor, AI labor in the future of San Francisco at the public library. And somebody redid the, one of the panelists I was there with reposted the video and dude, I've, I've reached out to her. Like first it was, you don't cover impact investing and you don't cover it. And so then I started covering it. And when I covered it, like I sent her an email, even though she would go in the comment section and would just not have anything nice to say. And I would, and I would, I still reached out politely, didn't never, still never said it and was like, Hey, look, I covered the thing that you say that I suck at not covering. Like, you know, I thought maybe, you know, and look, I still, I'm a, I've, I've been, I work, I'm a working class Italian dude from the South side of Chicago. That's been doing martial arts for 20 years. I have very thick skin. We don't have to agree about stuff. You don't have to be nice to me. I thought that like, cause I respect her research. I mean, she has had insight in front of things that I, it took me a little bit longer to at least be able to articulate. It's not that I never saw the value in it. It's just, you know, to be able to articulate, explicate, talk publicly about it personally, you know, I need to be able, I need to do a thorough research and a thorough write on it so that I examined it enough where I can say things confidently. Well, long story short was even when I reached out to her, it was like, dude, it was like, I mean, it was just like so sideways and it was like, it wasn't even like, thanks for trying. It was like something about you trying to wedge and shoe and hoard everything into the same person. Yeah. And I don't want to get too crazy into the drama. Cause you know, this, there's a lot of conspiracy world drama people. It's just human nature. We get in our own ways, but nobody seems to be able to meet her high standards. Her standard is set so high that a single comment from Whitney Webb or myself or Ryan Christian is just, it puts us into the same. We might as well be working for Peter Thiel. It's like, don't let progress be the enemy of perfection or something that they say. But again, I have thick skin too. I come from retail. People talk shit to my face and I still must help them solve their problem. It's just part of the job. Customer's always right. But yeah, I was just a little sad by that because I think that if she wants more awareness about these things, there's probably a better approach to, to getting it done. But her research, as you say, you know, all things considered her research is pretty great. What I always say to people now, did you see she commented on your thing? I'll be like, I don't really want to read it now just because if I got everything right, it would be the wrong topic. I mean, like that's her type of response. Like if I, if I got everything right, it'd be the wrong topic. You know what I mean? Or the, or, or too late or whatever. Yeah. Oh, that was the thing she said in the last one. I'm eight years behind. All right. Well, I mean, I'm eight years behind, but most people are like you, like how did the conversation start today? Most people are just now even caring about AI. So, you know, you have to beat everybody where they're at and everybody's not where she's at. Most of us aren't where she's at, you know? And so, yeah, it's unfortunate. I mean, I don't, we wish her well. Yeah. I mean, you know what I mean? Like at any point, you know, you want to get along, we can get along, but I mean like in the meantime, yeah, I don't have the energy to like, to put into that, to be so rigid about people that could be potential allies who use crypto. It's like you use YouTube. You know what I mean? Like it's all, it's all part of the same infrastructure at the end of the day. I mean, something, a company like Chainlink is designed to pull off chain data onto the blockchain, which means all the predictive analytics and all the profiling that they do through all your social media, including YouTube. That's, it's all feeding the ant computer, so to speak, to use her terminology in the global brain and all that stuff. Yeah. If you want to have purity tests, I mean, anyone with a cell phone is going to have a problem passing. And like you said, you use YouTube. It's like probably have a Gmail address. It's just, it's ubiquitous. All our tools are bloody. As my buddy Gordon says, I like the winning strategy of that when they did that game theory test with those computers way back plan. Right. And the, and the winning strategy was you always, you always cooperate until people don't cooperate. And then as soon as they want to cooperate, you cooperate. That's, that's my, that's how I approach that's how I, you know what I mean? So it's like everything, all that to say that it's like, you know, you don't, you know, when people are impeding your ability to do positive things, you know, you just go around, but the moment they want to tag along, you're more than welcome. I hear you. Well, you know, Alison, we love you get well soon. So I wanted to come back to something you said in the beginning about, you know, your own experience in your career and you actually losing hours as a tutor because the school is implementing this upswing AI. Now I watched the demo that I've heard you talk about. I might play it in the wrap up. I don't know. It's a lot of visual because it's text-based. These kids are texting just like you do when you need help on any website with any company, you get the AI assistant, right? So this is the AI assistant for kids in school. And what's really creepy about it is it asks them about their struggles and it asks them about mental health struggles and stress. And it's just like putting people in a situation, young, impressionable kids, where if they even mention anything, it is just a opening of the door to getting them in the pill pusher pipeline. Oh, let's talk to the, the school psychologist. Let's see what's going on with you. It's just so sick to me because I think one of the grossest things is preying on kids, giving them Ritalin and pharmaceuticals and checking up on their mental health. I mean, whatever, but this is now there's an AI in their pocket that they're being told to talk to and they're forming parasocial relationships with a computer. This is going to cause mental health problems. I think you probably noted too that in that promo, I don't know that it's a real student interacting with the bot. I think it's, you know, it's a two bots, one of them supposed to, but you know, it's a product. They're presenting this as if this is a real student and this is their idea of a tutorial that would make you want to buy this thing for your kids or that your kids and by the end of it, they're telling each other, they love each other, or at least they're sending heart emojis. Yeah. Yeah. The AI and the AI says it's proud of him. The guy, the guy writes, oh my gosh, uh, Anna, cause that's the name of the algorithm. Anna, I got all A's this semester. And then the AI is like, oh, I'm so proud of you. Congratulations. Heart emoji, heart emoji. This is sickening. Yeah. I mean, it's insanity. Yeah. I mean, first of all, it crosses a line that human teaching, human student would never be allowed to, or wouldn't be appropriate to do. Yeah. That's a great point. And it also does that in the sense that this same bot is asking the student questions about health and education. That's HIPAA and FERPA. They're two different sets of data that when students have documented disabilities clinically, that's a health record. You don't get to know that unless the student discloses or the student asks disability services to disclose it to you, you're not allowed to even ask. So as we're going to wrap this thing up, talk to us about what parents should be doing now. I don't have a lot of faith in stopping things from the top down. I'm kind of more of a, I see this coming and I guess I should go find a way to do something different because I don't even have the public support to make the changes I would want to make. So I guess, is there any kind of network that you know of any kind of online community or anything where there's resources for parents looking to have options outside of this system? I mean, that's what you should do now that Upswing freed up some of your time, get involved in the development of a tech-free school franchise. There's a big market waiting to be serviced, I think, or you can at least teach my kids. But what should parents do right now? I mean, do you have any resources we can have? Because I search myself and I don't find many. I mean, I do offer tutoring and consultation. I mean, you know, my specialties in languages and English, English language arts, mainly composition and writing. You know, I talk, I've been so conditioned by my licensing. Like I feel like, I mean, yes, I've, I can teach reading as well, but technically on paper in the institutional setting, I'm, you know, I'm not licensed to, to teach reading, but, but I'm just saying, so I, I mean, like there are people that, that offer, I was trying to network with some people in California, but I'm in Chicago. So ultimately we kind of, nobody ever showed up to the meetings where we're trying to get like a listserv, like homeschoolers for co-ops and pods and things like that. You know, you'd, you'd have to look around your own area. I, you know, I don't, I don't really know. You know, I think you've heard the story that the solutions part of the book was never, that was kind of the, the, the publisher required that I was just going to black. Chris Milligan foisted it on you. Yeah. So, but I mean, my thing is like, I, this is my best analogy. Like as far as school choice goes in the voucher system, like I just treat it like the, you know, the jab essentially. I mean, because most people, a lot of the rise in homeschooling since 2020 has been getting away from getting out of critical theory, queer theory, but also right. The, the impending mandates. And usually most people that did that and therefore went to the homeschooling. I mean, technically it would have been easier to take the jab because then, right. You don't have to find a new job. You don't have to, right. So like you would get access to the public square and commercial services, you get more access. And that's the same thing they're doing with the, with the, with the voucher monies, right? Oh, you know, it's going to be harder to homeschool without it. Don't you just want the money, you know? And, and, and it comes with the strings attached. And just like we said, though, with the, with early internet, early social media, like there won't be too many strings attached early on in the onboarding thing. It'll come later. So as far as that goes, it's, you know, I mean, I can't, all I can say is abstain. I mean, but when it comes to AI and devices, like maybe you should ask yourself what you are going to not, not you Greg, but you, the, you general, you generic, you, the adult, the parent are going to do like, because even people that I've, I've been in meetings where we were talking about the dangers of AI and data mining and at the zoom meeting, they've got an AI that's doing the, taking the minutes. Yeah. Taking the notes. I see that all the time. And then they send you the email with the notes back. And I, I just hate it. And I don't want to be Alison McDowell on this and be like, you use AI where we can't be friends. I'm, you know, I don't watch my intros. I don't mean it like that, but I do mean that like, dude, like, like I have a Gmail still, I need to get rid of it. I need to get something better than G, you know, I don't need to be given, but right now to have to go reset all my accounts. So right now that's it. Look, I'm putting myself on, that's something that I need to be more cognizant of. Like, these are the things we all need to do, but like for everybody that's thinking about, well, how can I, what can I do for my kid's education or what can I do for, and then you go and you using chat GPT all day. Right. That's not good. But I mean, I just mean there's school resources, like, cause me and my wife have learned that homeschooling is probably a full-time job. We're not going to undertake. And we have learned that we feel as if the role of a parent and a teacher should be different. Our kids respond differently to teachers. They listen a lot better to teachers than they do parents. We like those roles being separate. So we want some type of schooling and that's where we throw up our hands and are like, we have resources now that go up to kindergarten. And then we're completely at a loss for what we might be able to do. And it seems like you don't really know much of a infrastructural network thing that we could do either, which is obviously disheartening, but Hey, I know I got to let you go here soon. Tell people about the links, tell them where to get your articles, tell them what you're working on next. Schoolworldorder.info is the website and it has links to all the social media. I've updated it. So it's got all my interviews, all my articles, all the conferences and presentations I've done. There's a link to my database we mentioned today. You can subscribe to that if you'd like to help support my work. And X, Twitter, Twix is the two places where most of my most up-to-date stuff is found. Heck yeah. Well, I mean, you wrote the best book on this stuff ever right before it all happened at a time when it was useful and there was still some things we could do and school world order. Got to give it to you for the pun in the title. It is top shelf and I appreciate what you do. I'm sorry to hear that it's already affecting you on a professional level. And it's disappointing that there aren't more resources for people who want to do something different, but problems create opportunities and you got a little bit more time on your hands now, it seems. So thank you for spending time with us and enjoy the rest of your day. Yes, sir. You too. All right. John Klaizak, lucky number three for John and I. It had been a while and he reached out with his latest articles from Unlimited Hangout and I thought, why not? When we recorded this, he did have video, I should say, but it was so broken up and choppy that we just cut it and focused on the audio and making sure it was as good as it could be. Always the right move here. And I do think these things that John talks about are easier to understand now than they were several years ago. A testament to how far ahead of the curve he has been. And to me, this is a big deal because schools are where they prep a new generation for a new normal outside of what their out of touch parents see or know about. But man, my wife and I cannot help but sort of ignore this giant problem because we feel like we will have to compromise somewhere. We got out of California. We cleared the first hurdle of mandatory vaccinations, but now we have a new set of problems. And as they get into kindergarten age, I'm just not looking forward to dealing with it. I wish John had more to say about solutions. I would like to see him providing solutions for parents. He's already getting his hours replaced with AI and the conventional system. Why not go outside of it and teach the way you want to families looking for that sort of thing, too? How much more do we really need to know about the problem itself? Because I feel pretty well educated on it at this point. So I know this is trendy, but I like John a lot and I wanted to help him get his work out there even more. So an AI in the classroom show felt like something we should do at least once. He is one of the good ones, and I'm glad he's paired up with Unlimited Hangout to keep his investigations going. And I know every time I criticize AI on the show, I get some shit about being a hypocrite because I use it for the intro video and I make songs with it. But it's a technology that is so broad that I don't feel guilty using it to round out the production of the show. If you've never seen the intro videos, I think they're quite nice. I switch up the clips pretty often, but I do stick with this old black and white 1950s Twilight Zone aesthetic. And if I had the resources and the budget to actually make that stuff the old fashioned way, I would. But I think it adds a little bit more to the overall production of the show. But the star is still the human content. The star is still the interviews and it always will be, even though they're trying to replace me. But just because I have a podcast distributed over the internet doesn't mean I can't criticize the internet or because I use some wireless technology in my house, I can't talk about the harms. If I have to avoid all fast food forever to point out how bad it is, then I'll never be able to talk about processed food. You know, we're living in this system. It's nice to call it out, but we're also victims of it sometimes. So I think phasing out teachers and raising children on AI companion systems is fucking disgusting and gross, but not at all the same as what I'm doing. But everyone has their own opinion and has to draw their own line. Tim Dillon actually did a great bit recently about the ice shootings in Minneapolis saying that those videos of the deaths of good and pretty, pretty good. I don't know if any of this is real, but those videos are going around boardrooms right now saying, Hey, we don't want this. We need to cut human error out of the equation of policing robots and drones won't make these mistakes. Robots and drones won't react out of fear or adrenaline. So the people are the problem. And this is going to happen across all strata of life. Use a Waymo. They're safer than these idiots on the road, staring at their phone. You could just stare at your phone and let the machine drive you. Let AI be the teacher because teachers do a lot of bad things. And instead of taking away the screens, let's just make the screens, the teacher, and we can make sure everyone gets the same level of attention and no kids be neglected and no teachers will do the bad things. Just watch. I think we all can see the writing on the wall in that regard. So I just think that in schools, it deserves a little extra attention, but okay. Well, what a week, right? Epstein week. Wow. You might've seen my tweet asking if I should do something on this as a solo show, or even on the subreddit, someone was asking. And of course, whenever I ask, should I do this? People just say yes. Cause they want more content in general. I get that. But if I do that, then something else is getting put on the back burner. And really I did a lot of diving into this. I looked, I spent a whole day basically combing through the stuff myself and we are a conspiracy show. This is a big data dump that we're preoccupied with. This is kind of in some ways, the smoking gun, maybe not the gun, but the smoke. I don't know what's right before a smoking gun. That's better than we were before. I don't know, but obviously it has moved the needle, let's say. And when I looked through all this stuff myself, they don't make it easy because almost any word you search is going to have hundreds of results because there's millions of documents and you can only look at 10 per page. And there's many, many emails that have double or triple entries. So you're clicking that next button just so much. And of course you just never know what the truth is either, but they say there are 6 million files and they've only released 3.5. Plus there's just still so many redactions. This is interesting, but I've seen a few emails where randomly the word don't is redacted and you think, Hmm, that's weird, but it's been deduced that they probably made a filter for every which way you could reference Trump. And that includes Don T. So then don't also gets caught up by that filter. Just one of those dumb little things. The fact that you think you can release 3 million documents from this sort of person and this sort of inner circle communication and not accidentally reveal a bit too much. I mean, that's crazy. But I did also hear that the day they released the files, they pulled back a lot too. And that I can vouch for because oddly weird as I am, the first term I searched for thinking about that Clinton email was Gilgamesh. And initially I had like 30 or 40 results and I was going to come back to it and go through all of them. But a few hours later, I searched Gilgamesh again and only got one result, some random newsletter that referenced the epic of Gilgamesh. So they definitely did pull back some stuff, but it's not really stuff we didn't already know. Even if we're getting it a bit more validated, I am a bit surprised to see the mainstream now realizing that it's more than just billionaires wanting to have sex with young teenagers. There's plenty of baby stuff in there too. Some women, names redacted of course, are writing to tell Epstein about their child who was just born. Is he the child's father? Are they selling him these kids from birth? Is this part of the pregnancy child production pipeline that we've heard about? Who knows? I think probably, but they also use the pizza code a lot. Okay. Yes. Vindicated once again, because what adult, especially a rich adult would use the term pizza parties. Do you think they even eat pizza? Wouldn't that be slop for the masses? But even so you would just say, Hey, that was a good party yesterday, man. You don't say I enjoyed the pizza party. It's weird phraseology. And that's just good to see because pizza gate was so mocked and Epstein wasn't even really connected to that, but now it's penetrating the mainstream that that is a real code. People are starting to see that cannibalism is a part of this too. It's interesting to see the response from people who never considered that. And that old video, I think a lot of us have seen this long ago, but there was a video that was coming out of a model who ran out from this hotel, ran out into the streets and she's not speaking English and see their French or Spanish, but she's saying, Oh my God, they're eating people. They're eating flesh. She goes, I promise I did not know about that. The murders. Yes, but not eating. And to me, that is just so telling. I mean, I believe that video is true because she says, yeah, I knew about the murders. I mean, come on. Yeah. I knew, I knew they were killing people, but eating that's, that's too far. And to me, that is just a little bit of nuance that makes the whole thing believable. Now the story is that she was never seen again, that she got whisked off into some car and was gone. I don't know much about her or how to follow up in any sense, but that's out there. People are now looking at that with new eyes. So I don't want to go through everything that people are finding right now in this wrap up of an unrelated show. But I will say that I did find one thing myself that I haven't seen anywhere else again, with the weird word searches, I searched the word wizard and I got an interesting result. Epstein was going back and forth with Woody Allen's wife, daughter to book a screening of a new Woody Allen film. And Epstein says to her, by the way, I think Woody would really enjoy meeting my bio wizard who has figured out a way to keep dogs alive for a hundred years or more, despite Woody hating dogs. And I looked that up too. He is known for disliking dogs, but he says, despite Woody hating dogs, there is hope to be able to greatly expand human lifetimes within a decade. I'll set a dinner. And that was 2014. So we're in it people. And I thought about this. How do you know dogs can live for a hundred years? Did you start the work a hundred years ago? Is the bio wizard a hundred years old? Either way, I'm in it to hear some of the weirder stuff like that, that actually does intrigue me as opposed to just all the darkness that we've known for decades was happening. I'm sure in this month's in the weeds, I can pull out some of the best finds and just go through them kind of quickly, but really there's just people out there that are so much faster than me. I've never been the primary guy. I like to synthesize and summarize a collection of material, usually in the form of a book, but an archive of Epstein emails works just fine. But still I'll let other people do the combing through the journalism stuff. And then I will summarize the best of the best. And I have mixed feelings because on one hand, it sort of feels like a distraction from something. And then there's still just so many redactions and it's this whole thing of getting excited over a slow drip, drip, drip that just makes me feel manipulated and strung along. I don't like that. So I'll let the other people sift through it all and we'll talk about what the best finds are later on. And I like to do other things too, when a certain topic is dominating all conversations. And I think the next thing you'll see in the feed is a book report on Charles Ford's book of the damned. I already reread the book and I wrote out my outline and I think it's pretty good. So I just need to take the time to actually record it. But in higher side news, we got a lot of THC reviews to get into. I think talking about the plus reviews will still be an interview wrap up activity, but I'm not going to just skip the solo stuff. I can take it. So we have the Gerald Pollack charged book report. I am proud of that. I even spun up a ton of slides to add to the visuals. I was psyched about it. It worked out pretty well. And plus people seem to dig it too. They gave me a 4.9. Oh, I can't believe it. Pop the champagne. Wow. Again, we almost never have interviews that score that high. And we also have in the weeds episode one. Now I thought this was a pretty clever title for a clip show sub brand of THC. You know, I thought a lot about ways to reframe and label the solo shows, one hitters, a lot of dumb stuff that wasn't going to work, but in the weeds, I do think that's great for what it is. Cultural scrying doesn't really roll off the tongue, you know? And this one, I was a bit nervous about. There were some critics that reduced it down to just me browsing Twitter and maybe it didn't feel like it, but I did try to curate a well-rounded diverse range of things and I tried to keep it moving. So I guess it may have seemed low effort to some people and I can only say that it wasn't. So again, you're not going to please all the people all the time, but an aggregate in the weeds. Number one, got a 4.7. And to me, that is high enough to do it again. I think we'll end every month with one of these until people start liking it less, but give me some time. I'll get faster at it and maybe I'll find some guests hosts and it might become your favorite thing. So a 4.7 and a 4.9 from my solo offerings, I think solo stuff was a good move. Now we also had the return of Harold Coutts Vela, one of the most popular THC episodes from the past, largely considered a classic. I know a lot of people were happy to look at their feed and see his return pop up, but I think most people were less excited about the actual content and the updates and his latest focused on this multi-dimensional healing stuff. Again, mixed feelings because I think some of us are more intrigued by the dark and scary. Oh, the black goo came from space and it's taken over. Very provocative. And then we're told, actually, it's going through a healing process. And a lot of people are just like, yay! You know? And I get it. It's not as exciting or compelling. It sort of takes a right turn and shifts the whole vibe, but is it not good news that this isn't the problem that Harold thought it was eight years ago? Isn't it a good thing that some sort of integration process is unfolding? It's, you know, whatever. But I do think Harold is genuine and isn't trying to just spin a story for attention. Or it might have been more epic. You know, he might have just doubled down if he wanted to just be provocative. But I also think these healers who do these sessions can get a little, what would be the right term? I guess they can get an elevated feeling of self-importance. Like, his team is at the center of this big story, turning the trajectory of the entire human timeline. I know he's talked about there being levels to it, and it's not just as simple as I'm reducing it to. But I still can't help but have that feeling a little bit. I think the most compelling stuff we talked about were the greys as future humans trying to reach back through the timeline and tell us to protect our human genetics as to not go down the CRISPR mRNA path because it turns us into them and they want to fix that. I don't know the logic of it. You know, it's not unusual to say that the greys are us from the future. But put in the context of the technocratic stuff, I was pretty compelled by it. But I just think that if you were in that timeline towards the end of it, and we were all corrupted, and we were these broken, frail, little gray, weirdo bodies, these technocratic husks, would our main concern be to go back and tell the people to not follow that path? I just think we'd be like, well, we're fucked. How do we fix ourselves? You know, but it is an interesting premise. And I do think I need to do a solo show on the Nick Land stuff because it's very adjacent. And he did just do a public talk with Curtis Yarvin, which is probably boring, but it might have some nuggets. I didn't find Nick Land or Curtis Yarvin in the Epstein files. But of course, Yarvin is funded by Peter Thiel. And Peter Thiel is all over that stuff. In fact, the one phrase people are talking about is when Epstein says, I represent the Rothschilds. Well, that is from an email sent to Peter Thiel. It's almost like an introductory email between the two of them. That's the thing. There's so many little reveals in the Epstein files and not really any huge ones. So do we need to comb over every little thing? Another thing I found myself was that I always had this impression of the Chris Tucker situation as he went on this flight with Kevin Spacey and Virginia Goufray's protege, as we talked about in the Nobody's Girl presentation. And he went to Africa and he probably engaged in some depraved stuff that he felt guilty about later. He saw some depraved stuff and then he left Hollywood and became a Christian. I will always kind of maintained that narrative. But the Epstein files revealed that that is not true. I don't have the exact email with me right now. But Chris Tucker wrote Epstein years later about meeting up. And I'm talking like six, seven years later. So he clearly wasn't turned off from Epstein by just that trip alone. And what's crazy is it's an email between Epstein and one of his like assistants. And the assistant says, Chris is here as well as his son. So it's like, you know, if you're going to be late and you're talking to your assistant and you're like, oh, I'm going to be there soon. Let me know if he gets there. And he says, oh, he's already here. And he brought his son. And that's kind of the context of the situation. So I looked up Chris Tucker's son. What the hell? Chris Tucker's son is older, probably in his 20s. Now he had a cameo in Rush Hour three. So he was like 18 at the time of that movie. So he brought his adult son to a meeting with Epstein, probably to engage in some nasty shit. And that's just sad to me because I kind of liked Chris Tucker and I could at least give him some grace that he went too deep and then retracted and became a Christian or some whatever. But that was sad. So little things like that, like, I don't think I need to do a big solo show on the huge reveal that Chris Tucker maintained his relationship with Epstein way after that trip. But these little things that you can pepper in do somewhat add up to a big thing. I don't know. So much to do. So little time. But enough of me trying to soften the blow. The Harold Katzvella interview got a 4.4. Womp, womp, womp. Sad. Very sad. I hope the general consensus is that an update from him was appreciated. It wasn't exactly wasted time. But the next chapter in the Black Goose story just isn't as satisfying as the first. That's probably how I would feel as a listener. I'd have gotten excited to see it. My memories of the first interview would have came rushing back. And then I ultimately would have thought, eh, that was fine. I think a 4.4 constitutes fineness. So it is what it is. I think interviews might continue to get outranked by my own material. And I still find that to be so weird. But I'm rolling with it. The numbers don't lie. But big ups to John and his dedication to trying to educate people on what is happening in education. I wish we could do more to stop it. I wish we had better alternatives, really. I'd love to stop it fully. But we can't make people see a problem they don't want to see. And on this show, we talk all the time, especially since COVID, about parallel living and parallel economies. It does happen with food and medicine. You most likely can go to the neighborhood organic grocer or find a holistic health person when you need one. But alternative schools are just lacking and homeschooling is not as feasible as it sounds. A lot of people want to homeschool because it's about control and reducing outside influence on their kids. I don't really come from that perspective, except for a couple of very specific influences. But I think other adults in their lives is a good thing. But they just have to be quality people. I don't know. Either way, I appreciate John greatly. Let's go to the meetup calendar. All right. Saturday, February 14th. That is Valentine's Day. We got Wu Tree Night at the U Tree Inn in Stoke-on-Trent United Kingdom. And then we also got February 21st, the Backbone Bar in Turgan Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia. Gotta love it. March 7th, Rosicrucian Park meet and greet in San Jose, California. And then March 9th, Northcote Point, Auckland, New Zealand. Man, they're getting into it internationally. And then check this out. Saturday, March 14th, Poor House Barbecue, Canaan, New Hampshire. A nudist's barbecue and bonfire at the Barter Town Resort. Okay. Let your freak flag fly. I will say that it says on here that it is for Voluntarianism. People who are into that and conscious libertarianism. That's good. So have some fun. Wear clothes if you want, but you don't have to. So a little light going all the way through March with only five events and most of them being out of the U.S. But there it is. If you feel you could use some extra juice in your local social network circles, it's there for you. And that's the show. Thanks for listening. Sign up for Plus if you want to hear the second hour with John or a second hour of In the Weeds or all sort of stuff we got going on right now. Thehiresidechats.com. It is what it is. Take care of you and yours. I've done my part. Your move, AI educators, digital everything advocates, and school world order implementers. Your fucking move. I blew another first date where I told myself I'd keep it light. She may not be as awake as me, but we can have a good time staying up tonight. She was giving me the look. Things were starting to cook, but then she ruined the fun. I just couldn't bite my tongue. How could you think they handled COVID well? It was a psyop money grab all planned out. Those maps were just for compliance. Had nothing to do with the science. Have an engineered fault. Is that because you realize there's a disclosure game being played by shady intelligence guys? Cause beings have been here forever. Not where I told myself I'd keep going.