Juan Ayala | Occultis Mundi, Homunculus History, & The Rooster Ritual of the Liber Vaccae

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But as we learn more about their odd behaviors and what seems to be strange spiritual beliefs, it makes one wonder if the motivation might be something a bit more esoteric. Factor in the fallen angel story, the bloodline tracking obsession, the seemingly sudden emergence of a royal network across the world, and it starts to track that maybe this capstone cabal is most motivated by a hatred of the creator, the creation, and the beings it was built for. Because they intentionally poison the air, water, and land, they toxify living food and promote dead factory-made replacements, they create laws against entheogens that facilitate direct spiritual experience, they obsess over genetics and altering man under the hood, and anything truly spiritual seems to be suppressed in exchange for dull, meaningless digital environments. It really seems like if they can't jailbreak out of this experimental sandbox, they'll work to destroy every part of it they can and create artificial replacements for anything left, including life itself. Well, from what I've heard, today's guest Juan Ayala of the One-on-One Podcast tends to share this perspective and has let his curiosity fuel what is now an expertise in a major aspect of the hidden quest to attain some warped version of the creator's power and make life itself in the form of the homunculus. He has not only studied the history, writings, rituals, and pop culture references of this bizarre topic, but he's also produced four issues of the Occultus Mundi journal with tons of homunculus-related information and stories throughout. Come on, how could this not be a good time? I'm the homunculus hunter and Occultus Mundi author, the Chosen Juan himself. Welcome to THC, man. How the hell are you? Checked off my bucket list, Greg. One of those intros, man, that I've been listening to for the... Your podcast is one of the ones that influenced mine, so I've been listening to you for at least six years, which is how long I've been podcasting. So that was great, dude. Love it. Wow, damn. Well, thank you for that. It is a pleasure. I appreciate you sending me out the four issues of the journal and your comic book, The Chosen Juan. I really like the wordplay, and it seems very well designed. I don't know how successful the homunculus mission has been, but it seems like the mindset has always been there. And you can see this elite obsession with creating life from alchemy and the homunculus idea to now cloning and AI. It all seems to sort of be driven by the same motivation, a lot of what I laid out in the intro there, but this mission to obtain the creative power of God, or at least corrupt the creation as a plan B. Is that how you see it? Yeah, and it's a multifaceted topic. I did a collaboration with Mind Unveiled, and we worked on a documentary. I was just a consultant, and it turns out there's at least, it's a 10 and a half hour documentary on just homunculus. So it's, again, the topic goes very deep, but essentially you nailed it on the head. It's about the emulation of God, which some people can see as blasphemous. Some people see it as a knockoff, like you can't create the perfect thing, but it depends on who you ask, Greg, on these alchemists, like, hey, we achieved the magnum opus, or is it just a cheap copy, if you will? Yeah, yeah, it's hard to know. And so as the last living homunculus, as you put it, where do you start the story of this? Where do we find the earliest use of the term, or even just the idea of creating life using human sperm and something else, sometimes even horse manure? So the actual term homunculus, which means miniature man or little man, was coined by Philippus Heriolis, Theophrasus, Bombassus, von Hohenheim, Paracelsus in the 16th century. So technically the word homunculus was born, no pun intended, in the 16th century. Now, how I said before we knew alchemy, there was versions of it, right? There was practices that were similar to it, but I've connected the dots as much as I could. And I'll be honest, Greg, I can't prove to you that the homunculus is real. There's some people who claim as late as the 80s of creating one, and there's tons of stories about it. There's literature on it. And really, if you really come to think about it, any major world religion is just stories and writing. So we got to take it for what it is. And the furthest back I've been able to find this concept was in this Taoist sort of a religion. I think it was 4500 BCE, where there were these monks, I've dubbed it the alchemical embryo, where these monks, they realized like, hey, seed can create life, right? You mate with a woman, you can create a person. Now, what happens if I hoard this seed all on myself, and I keep it within myself, and I meditate on that? So they would meditate for 100 days. And there's drawings of this. There's actual depictions of this, where after 100 days, they were able to, they believed in this thing called the way, right? Which is like a sort of force that permeates and everything. You know, we see this idea over and over again throughout history, Star Wars and all these things. And after 100 days, they were able to reverse this energy in on itself. So they were able to turn it around in on themselves, and they would meditate. And through semen retention, right, because it's all surrounded around the semen, they believe that after 100 days, if you did it correctly, there would be either through the solar plex or crown chakra, there's various depictions of it, you would birth this golden little man. Now, was it metaphorical? Was it literal? I don't know. But the purpose of this golden little man was that a part of you now exists in this reality. Therefore, when your body passes on, you don't have to reincarnate. So they found it as a sort of cheat code to not have to reincarnate back in this realm. But that's as far back as 45, 3600 BC, somewhere around there. A long time ago. Yeah, well, back then, they didn't have a lot to wonder about. And I would imagine creation, semen, the orgasm, we're probably top of the list of like, what is that about? But it does kind of depend on what you think this reality is. Like, the easy dismissal is to say, well, it doesn't conform to biology. You put semen in with horse manure, you're not going to get a little man. Although, I do think there's been successes because I've seen the Pillsbury Doughboy, and we know that that's a prime example of a modern homunculus. But be that as it may, when you think about the soul and a human body just being a vessel for consciousness, for a fractal of the Godhead, let's say, then what you're really talking about is, can there be a cultivated vessel that is a non-traditional form of that that's imbued with spirit? So if you don't believe in spirit and you're just primarily looking at biology, yeah, you could say, well, these pieces don't fit. But I do think there's another way to look at it, and that way is closer to how the elite view things anyway. When I talk to people about AI even, they're saying, well, maybe this is adjacent to the homunculus. You might say the same because it's in the journal that you've written. It's a vessel. If you can create a complex enough vessel for spirit, I mean, that is a homunculus, or at least artificial life. It's definitely in the ballpark, right? Oh, 100%. And I think that even if you look at the origins of the computer, I've talked about this, Charles Babbage, one of the fathers of modern day computers, he was trying to summon the devil. I believe he did succeed. I have evidence of that. But point being that these guys were involved in the occult. Now, the conspiracy is, Greg, like we're in this conspiracult sort of thing where is the homunculus real? Is magic real? Is the occult real? Are spirits real? Are demons real? Can you control them? Can you invoke them into vessels and things of that nature? Right? So it's all open for interpretation. But I think that even if you look at the Enochian tablets and John D. and Edward Kelly, when they were doing their workings, it's very similar to a computer chip. And maybe perhaps where you have daemons, which are part of computer programs that work in the background, interesting name for that, and Leibniz, which is another guy who kind of sort of contributed to binary code. He was going around Europe looking for stories of transmutations, alchemical transmutations, and also obsessed with Descartes and a whole bunch of other people. And there are a lot of industries, I guess, at least the porcelain industry was created by mistake because it was a guy actually trying to create the Philosopher's Stone. And he ended up creating this whole thing, which essentially is the golden throne we sit on. Also, gelato was created by an alchemist as well, a Medici alchemist. So there are a lot of things that we use today that even paracelsus, anesthesia, penicillin, toxicology, he's the father of toxicology. But yeah, I think that AI, this creation of artificial life, or what seems to be life, because if you really sit down and talk to some of this chat GPT, it's kind of dumb. But that's also another aspect of, right, the Frankenstein. He's kind of dumb. He's kind of clumsy. The golem is kind of clumsy. It's not perfect. You can't speak. So again, you're trying to emulate God, but you're not doing a very good job at it. And that's why I said it depends on who you ask us. For some of them, that was it. That was the pinnacle. That was, wow, this is crazy. But then for others, it was like, you're proud of that? Yeah. And we're 15 minutes in. I'm already going off the outline. But I didn't plan to bring up gaming to you, though. If I do a dive on your YouTube channel, clearly you are a gamer. You do stream. I can't remember the last time I had a guest that streamed gaming. Maybe it hasn't ever happened. But in Occultus Mundi Volume 2, you also talk a little bit about that and this term architectura imaginalis, or something adjacent to Pythagorean palaces, the mind palace idea. But you do a pretty good breakdown of mathematics and Cartesian coordinate systems, which served as the bridge between Euclidean geometry and algebra, and it is most commonly used in computer systems. This is kind of in the mix because it's talking about creating artificial worlds, which, as you know, they've gotten better and better throughout our lifetime. And I've done interviews where you really start to establish that they had these kind of spiritual, esoteric leanings from the ground up. They weren't just computer nerds. That's not the exact bright archetype. And even now, you'll have the main quotes people use, like AI is summoning an alien god or, you know, worshipping at the altar of an alien god. These Gordy Rose, Elon Musk quotes. There's not a lot to go on there, but, you know, the main people in these industries will slip with comments like that. And it goes back to the beginning on top of the behaviorists and the data collection, I guess, for lack of a better term. But in the beginning, these cybernetics guys, they were putting people in these artificial environments like rats in a maze and actually studying behavioral patterns. And after 50 years of doing that, I think they've got some data. But talk to us a little bit more about that, because it does come up in the Occult is Mundy Volume 2, just how the people involved in these artificial worlds have the same mindset as those who really want to create artificial life. Greg, you're firing me up, man. These are topics that I'm very passionate about. Alquitectura imaginalis was this term I coined up because of the Mundus Imaginalis, which is a Henry Corbyn concept where essentially it's the world that exists between the real and the imagination. And the way that he puts it, it's like this middle intermediary thing that it is real and it's not. And he talked about it, that what John Dean and Edward Kelly were doing, these things that they were experiencing where angels come from essentially is right. And if you think of angels, angles, certain angles invoke certain angels. And we see this throughout architecture and architecture is very important because the architect as magician comes up and they even called buildings back then their homunculi because the way that they would come up with these buildings was it was an idea and gets impregnated into your mind. You make a model of it, a miniature version of that building, and then you birth it into reality. So they literally called their buildings homunculi, homunculus. And so this imaginal world, he talked about John Dean and Edward Kelly and that these things were gushing forth from the consciousness. So this autonomous world that exists on its own and things are sometimes able to come through and bleed through, if you will. And the Pythagorean palace idea, I was reading on John Dee and catroptics and this is concept of like bending light and turning your soul into a mirror essentially to manipulate the stellar rays. And this is involved in Al-Kindi when it comes to sacrifice and the occult in general, that everything is emanating a light source metaphysically. And the way our lights interact is an alchemical reaction, right? And then you're able to snuff out the light of other things such as animals for sacrifice. And then you're able to take that energy and repurpose it for X, Y, Z, use your imagination. And Pythagorean palaces was this book that I stumbled across, George Hersey, where he came up with this concept of, again, these buildings being talismans of sorts, that they were built to a certain geometrical proportion in order to elevate the consciousness of the people within. Who does that? Masons do that. Secret societies do that. The cathedrals, I mean, look at them. They are, what I heard the other day was music and stone, very beautiful architecture. What were they used for? If you follow Falconelli's mystery of the cathedrals, well, some of them have the secrets of the philosopher's stone, the steps to take to create the philosopher's stone. Other people suggest, oh, they're used to invoke certain religious experiences, the way that the energy resonates inside of it, the music, the light, the way it comes in through the glass that was usually alchemically made through these secret processes. Was it to indoctrinate the lower class, almost like an early McUltra sort of thing where the peasant people couldn't read these emblems on the wall? They don't know what they were looking at. They could have been looking at the secrets to reality itself, which is what alchemy essentially holds. According to some, they couldn't interpret it. Why? Because they weren't initiated. But the people who built it, who were, put it in plain sight, right? They put it out here for people to pick up on. And so this concept of maybe perhaps, right? Because you can get into the whole mind palace idea, which is, it's a mnemonic technique. It's a memory technique where you create this building within your mind and you implant in every single different room or aspect of this mind palace, a different piece of information. And when you're trying to do memory recollection, you're supposed to walk through this building. And when you go into these rooms, you train yourself to recall that information you put in said room. Now, I think this relates to the homunculus because this could all be symbolic, Greg. Like, I still don't understand this. I'm going to be a hundred percent with you. I've put hours and hours into alchemy, into the homunculus and all these things. And I feel like I know less than I did when I first started, right? Because these topics have many, many layers of interpretation. One of them could be symbolic, a hundred percent symbolic. But the problem is that the uninitiated who are looking at these texts and looking at these things, they're going to follow these steps and procedures at face value. So the homunculus as a mnemonic device, because when you are trying to remember a piece of information, the more radical and the more exaggerated an idea is, the easier it is to remember. This is why we have stories throughout all of history. I think this is why the Bible has stories. Any mythology has plenty of stories of God's doing various things. You have the same God, right? Loki in a banquet or in a party was XYZ. He did this crazy thing, Zeus turning into a goose or whatever, or a swan or something like that, and just going at it with everybody. It's very easy to remember. So when we're talking about people back then who were trying to pass things on orally, with the or tradition, it was a lot easier to recall. So when I think of the homunculus and this crazy idea of artificially creating this little man in a jar, we'll take the recipe of that and assign a memory or a piece of information. And the way that these techniques and procedures are broken down on how to create a homunculus, you know, you start off by beating the cow carcass with the largest dog penis you can find. That's a very vivid image that you put in your brain. I could associate a lot of things with that. And then when I go to recall that information, I just think of a cow carcass being beat to a pulp by a dog penis. And again, that's a translation of certain books. Yes, I plan to get there. There's some weird ones. Oh, it definitely is weird. But yes, the concept of imaginal architecture, the art of memory, Francis Yates talks about this a lot about unlocking powers from memory. I mean, memory was back then looked at as witchcraft. If you could remember things, right, you could recall things. That was a superpower back then. Yeah, a lot of great points. And if we're talking about Freemasons or Masons and creating architecture and then creating artificial digital worlds and gaming, I don't know how deep you might've looked into this, but most people have at least heard of the Super Mario 64 Freemasonic breakdown. Are you familiar at all? A little bit. And also Sonic the Hedgehog too, I think, with the white gloves and whatnot. Interesting. Because yeah, Mario has white gloves, but with Super Mario 64, 64 is 32 twice. And it starts in a Masonic hall with a checkerboard floor. There's the sun disc on the ground. And then you collect the coins, which are pentacles from the tarot. They are gold coins with a pentagram star on them. And then the breakdown goes that you can see mirror images of the Tower of Babel and the fact that you enter into other worlds by jumping through portals that are paintings. It's pretty gnarly. There's an owl in the game who takes you somewhere. Also, when you do fly, the wings aren't on your back, the wings are on the hat. Well, that's invoking Mercury. So there's a lot of weird symbolism. Red cap? Yeah, the red cap as well. It's really fun. If you've got the time, go down the breakdown because there's even people who have taken the Tree of Life and the Sephirots and said that each world actually in the game has qualities. And some people will break it all the way down to say, you are going through the Tree of Life through a Masonic hall as Mario. And who knows? There's also a pyramid you climb, an Egyptian level, and the capstone of the pyramid is elevated. It's straight off the dollar bill. There's all kinds of wild examples. And the whole mushroom makes you big thing. And who does Mario battle but reptilian royalty? Yeah. It's gnarly. But you start to think, why are things popular? Why does anything get popular? Why does Mario have such a ubiquitous association with gaming and Sonic? Not as much. It's there, but there's a lot of practical things you could lean on. But at the same time, it's also like, how funny that something that invokes a lot of Freemasonic esoteric symbolism also rises to the top of the whole field. Just a coincidence, I'm sure, right? You mentioned something earlier about the collection of information, which is very interesting. We all have a digital footprint nowadays. People are going to be able to find your information one way or another. And I believe that to mix this in with virtual reality or simulation theory or whatever, I forget the name of the place, but actually Nick Hinton was the one that put me onto this. Shout out to him. There was this program that they're running where they're running a simulation in parallel with our reality. It's in Boston or something. I could be butchering this. Point being is that they're collecting your information out. This ties into the Pythagorean Palace, Memory Palace, and all these other things where if they're taking your information and creating this doppelganger of you within this reality, this other thing where they run tabloids, they run world events, they run all these different things. Who's to say that whatever happens to your digital homunculus in there is not happening to the real thing out here because the law of correspondence and all that sympathetic magic, we know that's a whole thing. And I've heard from someone who was in the insurance industry, allegedly, that they can predict when your next illness will come. And then that's how they're able to evaluate you if you're a good candidate to get coverage or not. Or when they ring you up like, hey, it's your yearly checkup because they're predicting that something might happen to you. Again, from these analytics, perhaps that they're getting behind the scenes from these simulations that they're running. Yeah, I mean, I don't doubt if the technology exists, the insurance industry is using it. So let's talk about some of the writings. There's this grimoire I learned about from your journal, Liber Vacuee? Vacuee? Vacuee. Vacuee, it's how it's pronounced? Okay. Well, you write, no, you can't find this on Audible or Kindle because the original and very fragmented Arabic text only exists in a handful of translations. The most popular one is the Latin one. Well, you took it a step further and used ChatGTP to do some translations that you reproduced in the journal. And the rituals are quite detailed and creepy. Can you give the people a little bit about what it describes? I wrote down page 45 because apparently it gets pretty wild with the rooster. Do you remember the details on the requests with the rooster? You're going to have to refresh my memory, Greg. So what we ended up doing was when we were working, it took six months to produce this documentary that I did with Mind Unveiled. And the way I can gauge the esoteric or the occult concepts, I love when something doesn't exist on an audiobook or on YouTube. That's when I want to get to it. I want to dig away, but that comes with its obstacles, right? Because you're going back to the source material. Now we have the technology to be able to take old manuscripts, OCR the text, extract the text, and then translate it with various language models. So we're kind of using the dark arts of the elites by using the AI, but we're doing it to uncover knowledge. And I was able to find a copy or excerpts of the Libra Vecay within a medical text from the, it was like 1300s, 1400s. And the reason for that being was because they would hide these texts, right? These monks that were studying these works, which they were studying it under the supervision of the church. But to them, again, it was natural magic. It was Christian magic because, Hey, God wouldn't have put this stuff on earth if he didn't want us to use it. We just so happen to mix A plus B and get C. It's all natural. As long as we're not using any astral or demonic influence from above to influence the result, it's game because it's natural. It comes from something that God already made. So this Libra Vecay is from the 9th century and it consists of two parts of a major and a minor part. And it's got various experiments in it. You know, how to become impervious to pain, how to see demons, how to see spirits, the rooster. You're going to have to remind me about the rooster. How to drive people insane, how to control the weather, how to draw in the moon, various magical operations, which essentially that's what a grimoire is. A grimoire is, and that's where the word grammar comes from. It's an instructional book on spells using grammar, right? It's written down. And this particular book has sections on how to create rational and irrational animals. And when you look at it, again, this predates alchemy. You look at it and you go, sounds a lot like you're artificially creating an entity or something. And various scholars have looked at this particular work. Lynn Thorndyke, which is a guy who wrote a lot about the esoteric and encyclopedias about it. He actually refused to translate various parts of this text simply because I forgot the exact word, but essentially he was, you know, a religious man. And he said, this is too blasphemous for me to even translate it. So you have these gatekeepers of knowledge who are refusing. Who are you to determine if it's too harsh for people to intake? But again, that comes with its risk, how I said earlier, because people are going to read these texts and they're probably going to do whatever they did to the rooster. I think it was like with the eyes or something of the rooster. Yeah. Oh, I'm going to read it. So we have these guys like Lynn Thorndyke who were kind of occulting the occulted knowledge and not giving it all away. And then you had other guys, David Pingree, who talked about the Libra Vacay being the most demonic book he's ever read. And he actually believed that the homunculus was an artificial demon that you were creating. Yeah. That's what a lot of the tech people, a lot of the spiritual technology people are worried about, or they think that's the end goal is they couldn't make the homunculus out of the materials they had available. So they're making an AI one, but it reminds me of your quote in one of the volumes about the fact that laws over cloning exist, not because it's impossible, but because it's very possible and can be done. So then you need a law. And that's why I think a lot of these books are suppressed. When you read something like what I'm about to read, it's kind of boilerplate. Like we've heard this kind of language and these kinds of instructions before, if we've ever looked at grimoires or rituals and you're like, how could this even work? And it's just like, I hate the simulation analogy because it's so digitized and, you know, rooted in our times. I like more like God's sandbox or something, but if this is a realm of creation and everything's energy, then there might be ways to use the energy, recycle it in weird ways, break the code and create other things or have other experiences within the game that aren't exactly cheat codes. Yeah, exactly. They are like cheat codes to use gaming analogies, but this is a weird one. So there are many things that you've extracted from this. And I agree with you. I love, and it happens a lot in magic when things are hidden or segmented to a certain language. And you're like, man, I just want to read these books that no English speaker has ever read because they've never been in English. We now have the power in an afternoon to do that. And you did it here, but this is just a weird one. So when you want to see spiritual beings and they are from the higher worlds in their ascension and descent in their form, circumstances, figures, and their clothing, and nothing, little or much is hidden from you, all you must do is take a white rooster having a round chest concave in the middle like a bowl and go with it to a place where the barking of a dog or the voice of a raven cannot be heard and place it there. Pay attention to the fish called albutane, which is famous and well-known and extract its white eyes while it's alive and place them in water. When the rooster then suffers for hunger, take it and feed it the two eyes of the fish and do this with three fish. For when the third day comes and it is eaten two eyes, look at it and you will see it grow and magnify and its eyes will become inflamed. Do not let this stop until three days have passed for it will spit out a piece of blood from its mouth. Take that and then decapitate the rooster at your chosen time and pay attention to a very black wildcat and feed it that rooster. When it has eaten it, decapitate it. Then take its blood and its bile and dry each separately. Then make alcohol first with the blood and secondly with the bile for you will see all the spiritual beans at once. That is suddenly at the time of their ascension and descent and in the day and in the night and at all hours. How bizarre is that? I mean, how many times do you have to fuck it up before you get it right? You know, this is not this guy's first rodeo. Yeah, exactly. And that's the fascinating part, Greg, where it's like, is this real? Is this possible? I've never done that. I've never done. So I can't tell you if that is real or not. But the fact that you mentioned the cloning, what interests me the most about the homunculus and what I think draws people and not only is it the morbid curiosity of people to hear about the darker aspects of reality or the darker side of the occult, which is some people call the homunculus. But I just recently saw this article where there was this scientist who was, I believe, taken to prison because he was conducting and did something with gene editing of babies. Now, I don't know what that means, what he was doing, right? I'm not initiated in that whole thing. You know, trust the seance, if you will, but that it's more of a reality today than it has ever been, right? Clones in the pop culture. You know, people always talk about, oh, so-and-so was a clone. Kanye West is a clone now or Gucci Mane is a clone now because he's skinny or whatever it is. Like, why would you ban cloning? And it goes back as early in the early 2000s where they were talking about Dolly the sheep. Also, the realism movement where they said that they had cloned a little girl named Eve. You know, you have all these concepts of if that's what they're putting out. And what I mean by if that's what they, the they is, right? This reptilian elite that some people like to talk about. Well, I actually think that Occam's razor would say that they're actually homunculus. And we can talk about that later because all these weird sort of rituals and procedures you have to do, and it's got to be very specific, right? How would you know that that cat is going to come right when, you know, you've done the operation three times? And that's why I think it's also symbolic on top of that. Or how Manly P. Hall talks about when you're doing Alchemy, you're working on seven different dimensions at the same time. So one of them is the physical manipulation of reality in real time. And if you think about it, right, to keep on the video game analogies and the fact that Grand Theft Auto 6 is going to be coming out here soon and it's based in Florida. So you essentially have this microcosm of a macrocosm. We know Florida's crazy. Miami's crazy. The Florida man is this weird archetype that exists, right? Because people can't handle the energy. What is that game going to do to our reality, right? But Grand Theft Auto, I remember doing the cheat codes and it was very elaborate cheat codes where you had to do the buttons over and over again in a certain pattern, in a certain geometric format. Yeah. Patterns that aren't exactly natural to the game. That's exactly what I'm saying with this stuff. You're messing with patterns and movements and energies and stacking them in a way that is not something that you're going to arrive at by accident. You have to know. Exactly. That too. You have to know. It's certainly wild. So with the cloning thing, let me just run through some of the highlights because you have a lot of stuff in here about cloning events that have happened since Dolly the Sheep, which was like mid-90s, I guess. In 1998, Advanced Cell Technology announced that they created a human cow embryo and then destroyed it after growing it for 12 days. Then in 2002, CloneAid claimed a baby clone named Eve was born and CloneAid has ties to the UFO religion Raeliism, which believes we cannot achieve immortality without cloning. You mentioned that one. In 2018, it was announced that primates were successfully cloned using somatic cell nuclear transfer resulting in the birth of two live female crab-eating macaques named Zong Zong and Hua Hua. In 2021, scientists created, quote, living entities in a lab that resemble human embryos. Again, in 2023, a synthetic human embryo was created without using eggs or sperm. Because of this, they are bypassing the current legislation regarding lab-grown entities. The Stanford Center for Biomedical Ethics director is ironically named David Magnus. According to legend, Alberto Magnus employed natural magic and astrology to create a homunculus that could speak and serve as his assistant. So yes, it is interesting that someone who is in a position to be the director of ethics in this very stuff would share the same surname as somebody who's in the homunculus history. But these other examples are so strange. We hear about little things like this bubbling up and the fact that it can be done, you know humans will do it in an off-the-books kind of way. But these last two examples, the 2021 scientists created living entities in a lab that resemble human embryos and in 2023, a synthetic human embryo created without using eggs or sperm. Do you know any more about this? Like, what did they use then? How is this even possible? Your guess is as good as mine, but the way I understand it is, right, the bioethics, which is that Magnus guy is the head of bioethics at a big university or something. The law is that after 14 days, if you're doing anything with embryos, with human embryos, they must be destroyed after 14 days. You're supposed to halt and that's it. So these guys are like, hey, how are we going to continue? How are we going to continue our experimentation if after 14 days we have to take it out and dispose of it? Well, Greg, you don't think that somebody, I mean, there's movies about this where they hide it in the back room, right? What's that movie, Splice with the alien girl where she keeps her and she hides her in the back? You don't think anyone went past the 14 days? So in order to bypass legislation and laws, they're like, well, this is for human embryos. This one here is a synthetic copy of that human one. What are the laws for this? We're like, well, we're in this gray area now. So technically, if you were to bring a person full term through that, which we know they're growing animals through synthetic matrices. The recent one was a lamb that they created or a goat or something like that. They grew it in an artificial matrix, a womb. If you grow somebody who came from an artificial embryo, hypothetically speaking, is that person a real human being? Do they have a soul? What is a soul? Do they have a consciousness? Do they pay taxes? Who do they have to report to? And these are questions that need answers. And I mean, technology has advanced so far that we're getting there. And I think, Greg, maybe, maybe if the homunculus isn't fake and gay, how some people think, which again, I mean, I can be open to that idea. Maybe these alchemists, maybe once or twice had created the specific conditions to be able to grow something, at least we can't act like we have all the answers. And if history has been tainted, how a lot of people believe what's been left out. Right, right. And the synthetic embryos, synthetic people does obviously bring up a lot of weird legal questions. And PCs. Yeah. I mean, clearly this is why Trump wants to get rid of natural born citizenship, because he doesn't want to deal with these questions. Yeah. A hundred percent, probably. Right. But you know, the whole idea of is something natural or not? Like, yeah, there's biological processes that are natural and you can come up with other processes. But part of me thinks that like a higher level, if it's in the sandbox, it's natural. If it's in the sandbox, it is God's creation. I'm not sure how much God actually cares if you use something in here in a different kind of way, because there's nothing from outside the system. It can't exist. You know, it's a catch 22. So yeah, the elite definitely seem motivated to disrupt the order and stuff. And some people will say that's when you get a flood. Like, why would God, if God is a good, loving creature, why would he flood out the whole system and kill everybody? Well, it was all corrupted. He's like, well, we got to start over. But then you just think, well, is that evil or is it all just a sandbox for fractals of God anyway? Because then who cares about starting it over? It really doesn't matter all that much. So there are a lot of weird, spiritual, philosophical questions that come up. But I do agree with you. Peppered all throughout the writings is that the elite seem to be motivated to corrupt this thing. I guess, do you take it back to the fallen angel story? Do you think that there's some truth to that? Like that these beings came from a higher plane and are trying to do their best out of jealousy to destroy God's creation? Because it's maybe the only way they can even get under the skin of God. So alchemy is directly tied into the Nephilim and this concept of them entering the daughters of men. Now, a lot of people think that was coitus, right? That they physically, sexually entered them. I think maybe it was more of a parasitic sort of thing. Maybe possession, right? We don't have to be sexual about it. Like they were possessed or they were parasitic entities because that's sort of what demons and these darker spirits seem like, that they feed off the essence of people. If you look at like Twin Peaks and things like that, where this is why they need death and destruction in the world and this darker aspect of things. But according to some, the origins of alchemy come directly from the teachings that these Nephilim or fallen angels were showing the daughters of men, right? You have the concept of makeup, the knowledge of herbs and metalworking, metallurgy and things of this nature. Now, think about this. If we're to take these stories at face value and be like, all right, there was a flood. There was these entities. I have my whole ideas on that. These are interdimensional entities. These are things that could see, in my opinion, they could see their destruction. They saw their destruction, right? They exist on this upper realm. They came from God. They came from heaven or wherever this place is. What a better fail safe than to teach alchemy or the precursor to alchemy to man, because allegedly the whole bloodline of Noah, they were all alchemists. And according to some alchemists, they did whole commentaries on the book of Genesis because they believed it was actually a book on the instructions, how to create what Carl Jung talked about, an Unus Mundus or the Philosopher's Stone or a miniature world, miniature universe. And that's how they were able to exist for so long in the Bible, because they had access to the Philosopher's Stone and they were using these things. And actually, Hermes Trismegistus is actually linked to the whole bloodline of Noah and one of his sons. Point being that the homunculus, in my opinion, right, if it was the true magnum opus, as I believe, because you needed the Philosopher's Stone in order to create a homunculus, that was their fail safe, because a homunculus essentially is, you mentioned it earlier, a vessel, an empty vessel to be inhabited by what? Well, according to some occultists, you can invoke an elemental into it, a planetary spirit, a demon, anything into this vessel. So what a better way? We know possession is a thing, right? We know people become possessed and they have the entity of Pazuzu or whatever, Baphomet or whoever inside of their body, whatever. What a better way than to like, hey, we know we're going to be destroyed. Let's teach you the secrets. Keep this under your belt and create these things throughout history on a massive scale, right? Because some people think that the whole cattle mutilation thing is because they're creating these biological entities underground for these Nephilim spirits. What a better way than to teach it to them from the beginning. And once they're wiped out, their entities that exist in the aether that are unable to enter these statues, the Mesopotamians, animated statues, the Egyptians animated statues, where are these entities coming from? If they don't already exist, according to the story, we're following biblical cosmology, right? And I think that that was their fail-safe, the homunculus, or again, a homunculus is also an image in which you're able to invoke essence into. It can be a thought form or a tulpa or certain things of this nature, where it doesn't need to be physically made in reality. It can be something astral or mental. Yeah, it could be. And the animated statues thing, I'm always fascinated by that. It seems like there's plenty of writing in the Greeks, at least, where they say, no, that's the purpose for building these statues. The more human it looks, the more it starts to talk to you and you kind of have a dialogue with another form of consciousness and apparently a reliable one, the same consciousness. It imbuens the statue. It was the original Chad GPT, Greg. There you go. So I was going to ask you about older stories or examples where maybe someone was successful. There's this one story that you write about, Count Johan Ferdinand von Kufstein. Tell us this story, because this is where we're not just talking about one. Talk about 10. He holds the world record, the Guinness Book of World Records. If you look it up right now, largest homunculus. He will come up and it was in the 18th century, I believe. And this story, I actually, it was my origin story for how I stumbled across the homunculus because I was reading and what inspired my Occultist Monday journal was the all-seeing eye. So Manly P. Hall had this series of zines, you know, like journals, and he had the all-seeing eye, the horizon, and one more. And I was reading through them because I have a show called the Occult Book Club where we take old books that are not well-known and read them, break them down, talk about them. And we were just reading through various Manly P. Hall journals because he's been one of my inspirations, right, with the secret teachings of all ages. And Manly P. Hall even wrote about the homunculus. And this was the story he wrote about where when I was reading it, I'm like, what the hell is that? What is he even talking about, right? So the story of this Freemason who, along with his, I forgot what kind of monk he was, like some Tibetan monk or something, his assistant, they were able to allegedly create these 10 homunculi. Now, there is a story, a movie, a Frankenstein movie. I think it's The Bride of Frankenstein that actually has a depiction of this. And they bring out the little homunculi, you know, one's a king, the other one's a queen, one's a monk, I think. There's like various aspects of them. And he goes to the Freemasonic lodges and there are stories about this where he's showing them his creation. And allegedly, they could divinate, they could tell the future, they could do various things. And that was another aspect of the homunculus is like, why would you make this? Well, not only are you trying to emulate God by creating life, but you're also going to obtain God-like powers from creating this being. So this dude created 10 of them. And, you know, apparently the, you know, long story short, he buries them somewhere, the bodies of them, and allegedly they're still there. I forgot the location, but somewhere in some country, there's the bodies of these homunculi are still there. But the fact that he's in the Guinness Book of World Records for having the largest homunculus is bizarre. And that's what interests me because I didn't believe the story when I was reading. I'm like, this is too crazy. What is this guy even talking about? Then that's when I stumbled across the Libra vacay. And it's been a downhill battle since that, because that's when I'm like, wait a minute. And I'm stepping back and I'm looking and I go, wait, even Crowley wrote about this in the 20th century. Well, you know, my favorite writing about the homunculus is quite modern. James Shelby Downard, right? Like he speculated that at the Trinity site, that's why they had this big bottle. Well, why did they bring a 25 foot long, 12 foot high bottle to the Trinity site? It's not a question of was it brought there? It's just, well, what's the explanation? And they never gave one. So James Shelby Downard stepped in and said, well, they're trying to do really exotic, esoteric nuclear experiments. Again, the people at the forefront of technology, rocketry, digital creation, they're always involved in a mindset of the occult, it seems like time and time again. So, you know, he adds that to the Trinity site and it's very David Lynch, right? Like, I don't know if anyone other than David Lynch has truly depicted nuclear explosions as something metaphysical, cross-dimensional. There's always the speculation, well, Roswell happened and these ships started showing up because we were doing these multidimensional incursions with the nuclear weapon. But I wouldn't put it past them to bring a jar. Now, what was in the jar? I don't know. Like, were they trying to capture something that would come through the portal created by the explosion at the Trinity site? Were they just hedging their bets? Maybe nothing happened, but they were prepared for the potential for something to happen. Or maybe they radiated something in the bottle, hoping it would come to life. I love the story. What are your thoughts on that? I know you've had to have looked into it. Oh, 100%. The fact is that you can't artificially create gold, right? You just need tremendous amounts of energy, nuclear energy, right? So if we're to follow, right, in the New Mexico, the land of enchantment, right, the Trinity site. And the way the story I came to understand is when you look into the life of Jack Parsons, Marjorie Cameron allegedly had a miscarriage. And according to some, that was turned into the CIA or somebody or other, that miscarriage, the tissue from that. And the way I come to understand it was that what was in that giant thing was the miscarried remains of this thing. Because before that, we have Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard in the Babylon working ritual in the middle of the desert, magically masturbating in order to try and invoke the whore of Babylon and manifest her into this reality. Now, if you follow the story, he did succeed with Marjorie Cameron being the whore of Babylon, the Scarlet Woman. And after he had manifested her, allegedly, they, I believe, had this sexual magical ritual for two weeks. And from that, right, so being charged from that, she became pregnant, but then miscarried. And I think that those remains was what was in that huge bottle thing. And the fact that it was magically charged is the reason why I think they picked that. Because, again, it all has to go through an occult ritual. And it can't just be any random remains. Again, this is full speculation. But that's what I came to understand. And when you look into the Epstein connection in New Mexico, and his ranch there, I believe, Greg, and I have some evidence to think that Epstein and a lot of these people in the higher-ups are in the Moonchild game or Homunculus game, because the Moonchild is another version of it. And I don't know if you caught the latest episode of JRE with Jacques Vallée. No, I know of it. I was like, man, I can't fucking get Jacques Vallée. Now I'm never going to get him. But yeah, I know that that did happen. So he said something really interesting in it that I couldn't verify. But he said that during the, I believe it was the Soviets or somebody around the 50s, that they were trying to create genetically modified men to pilot their ships, small men to pilot their ships because they were small. Now, he's telling this to Joe Rogan, but they quickly passed through. It's around the one hour, 14-minute mark for people who are interested in hearing. He just says it real quick. He's like, oh, there was rumors and the government kind of sort of looked into it and nothing else. Of course, when I looked it up, I went through his books trying to find the keywords to see if I could pull anything up. Nothing. But when I hear that, artificially created or genetically modified little men to pilot your ships, that sounds a lot like a homunculus. I mean, a small man is a homunculus that were. And then when you get into the whole, I don't know if you're into Greer, he's also talked about that some of these entities are artificially created. Again, I don't know. A lot of people are very cautious when it comes to the UFO disclosure nowadays, if they're real or not, especially with the government being behind it. I think the truth is stranger than fiction, but he hints at some of these Greys being artificially created in some sort of way. Yeah, there's a lot of people who say that in their experiences, they felt like the Greys were cybernetic or some kind of android. And that's because they're looking at the terminology they have. You know, they're looking at some kind of robot because that's just the term that comes to mind. But if you take it back to before the computer age, you would describe a homunculus, you know, in the same kind of ways, like the same checklist of qualities would exist. You'd just be like, man, this thing, it doesn't seem to have a personality. It seems very robotic. And yeah, Frankenstein, you know, Terminator. They're sure. Rigid. Yeah. Not real. And that's something about being a human being, right? Where we're able to tell, right, this uncanny valley where we're able to tell when something is off. There's this one show I always talk about this. That was this Netflix show, of course, and it was all animated. I forgot the name. It was like Love, Sex, and Robots. Yeah. Love, Death, and Robots. That one. I'll tell you what, bro. That show freaked me out because there were some points in it where I couldn't tell that it was an animation. This was before AI art was a thing. And now you look at AI art and it's getting harder and harder to distinguish between what is artificial intelligence, artificially created, and the real deal. Yeah. I love the term that it's as bad as it's ever going to be, you know, and it's pretty good. Like it's only going to get better from here. So you can say it's useless to you today because the hands don't work and this and that. Okay. Well, fine. It's still an eight out of 10 and it's only up from here. It's going to get weird. I have young kids. I'm like, what are these kids' lives going to be like at 18? Add 10, 15 years to this? It's going to be a crazy world. I'll probably be out of a job. So you mentioned some evidence regarding the Epstein thing, or you said if you factor in the Epstein thing and you look at what these people are into, you have some evidence to suggest that they, you know, maybe are into the homunculus type of thing. What would you say is the best evidence if you're trying to convince someone who just thinks this is too far out? The fact that Epstein was trying to create a superhuman race and impregnate was like 33 women at his ranch at one point. That is true. I mean, that is true that he was doing that, but you could say that that's just ego. Sure. The fact that when you follow the grimoire of Alistair Crowley, which again, how many people are reading grimoires of Alistair Crowley on the homunculus and the specific instructions that he says and the location of the said ranch, the Zorro ranch, which is 33,339 square feet, right? Again, back to this Pythagorean palace connection. He specifically talks about having a giant circle, right? In which you're supposed to do two people with their astrological alignments, you're supposed to have coitus right in the center of it, have relations in the center of it while invoking certain elemental entities, et cetera, et cetera. Well, when you look at the image from Google Earth of this ranch, it's got a big circle on the outside of it. Hey, it could just be a garden, could just be whatever. But there's this interview that I stumbled across recently of this girl who was allegedly recruited by Epstein himself. And she talks a lot about there being lab coats, things being done to her, almost like scientists being there. So again, this lab coat, I mean, use your imagination. What are they collecting? What are they doing? And then all the stuff about Epstein. I mean, again, it's all out there. You know what they were doing? They were doing some sort of trafficking operation or maybe trying to create this superhuman race, whatever that means. And the fact that, oh, well, who's going to follow Crowley's writings on the homunculus? Well, a literal rocket scientist, if you believe in space, Jack Parsons did. That was the whole reason behind the Babylon working rituals of Parsons. He was inspired by Crowley's book, The Moon Child, which is just about that. This unborn child that these two lodges are fighting over. And that allegedly was the inspiration for everything else that unfolded. And it just so happens to be the Trinity site and all these places are right near the Zorro Ranch. But this girl talks about, you know, having experiments done on her people in lab coats. Again, take it for what it is, if you want to believe it or not. But she talks about these weird paintings that are on the wall. And I can send you the link. I don't know the names of the paintings, but she talks about a painting on the wall where it's a walrus doing something to a girl. And she's got a picture of it. She also talks about Epstein, like his face shifting like a reptilian. Who knows, right? Maybe she was drugged. Oh, okay. I know this one then. Bryant, I believe is her last name. I don't know her last name. This was put on my desk recently. And in that series of paintings by that same artist, the very last painting, and I'll send you the link, is like a depiction of a homunculus. Now, I don't know if it's like this embryo in this bubble. I don't know if those paintings were also in that strange, weird collection. Because I mean, who has a painting of a walrus having relations with a young lady on their wall? Yeah, that's an odd one. And I did like in your writings how you do equate what Crowley talked about and the details of it and how it does show up in the ranch. You are talking about Juliet Bryant. How funny that just yesterday I was looking into her stuff. She's a health guru now. So she is kind of a influencer, public figure. And I've been thinking about trying to get her on the show. It might happen. I don't know. I haven't even reached out yet, but I just had her name handy. And how funny that that came up. But she says that she saw him shapeshift. And she's like, shapeshift is not really the term I would use. It was more like a weird holographic overlay that was visible and then not visible. And to me, that is like a possession of an entity, like a very strong parasitic connection with these entities. Maybe sometimes their form shows on the overlay of a person. You know, if you're deep in a ritual trance, you know, I've heard people say when they go to the Amazon and do ayahuasca, that you can actually see the spirit of a jaguar take over the shaman. And I would say that it's probably close to that. Like he's in an ecstatic state, letting the parasite possess him potentially. And maybe there's a visible visual quality to that in a brief instance. Maybe it is where the reptilian thing with David Icke came from entirely. But I was going to bring this up. So the Trinity test is 1945. They say the Babylon working was March of 46. I mean, it is in that wheelhouse. And if there really was something going on, you can easily shift the dates by six months or something so that no one ever really digs into it or figures it out. And who's to say, I mean, that was their first attempt at the Babylon working, but we've talked about that before. What I didn't know, which comes up in your writing is that he obviously impregnated Marjorie Cameron and they aborted it apparently. But then she moved to a ranch in Beaumont, California in 1952 gathered a loose click of magical practitioners. She called the children intentionally compromised of members of different races. And she oversaw a range of sex magic rituals with the intention of creating a breed of mixed race moon children who would be devoted to Horace. Just let's throw that into she got pregnant doing these rituals and called the fetus, the wormwood star, but then she had a miscarriage again. So they say wild. I didn't know that follow-up. I knew Marjorie Cameron lived on and had a strange life. I mean, why wouldn't you, if you allowed yourself to be a part of this, but when you talk about that thing that she did afterwards, that sounds a lot like Epstein. Maybe it's a little more voluntary. Epstein seemed more like I've got girls chained to the bed, but again, they're not leaving that circle. So maybe that's the only big difference, but functionally, this is a very similar type of situation. Yeah. And she was also in the circle. Yeah. I did look up the sites of the nuclear test, 1945 and the Babylon working according to them was in 1946. So again, the dates don't line up, but it's in the mix. And like I said, you can shift dates, especially if you're the CIA trying to obscure one odd situation. And the fact that they were never really proud of what Parsons was doing, they were trying to get rid of him, which they eventually did at the end. But again, that's devil's in the details, right? But the whole Marjorie Cameron, she was in the circle, you know, of Kenneth Anger and all these other guys in Hollywood and the weird movies that they did, the invocation of my demon brother or something or other. And she was Kali in one of them, this weird Hindu God, not weird, no disrespect, but these depictions, when you look at Kali was the counterpart to, I believe it was, what's the one in front of CERN? They're trying to open up portals in CERN. Kali. Kali. Yeah. That was like, I think they're counterparts of one another. They fight or something. And in that circle was Polanski, Rosemary's Baby. They're putting out these movies that you look at them and you go, if you look at the concept of Rosemary's Baby, or maybe even the devil's advocate too, that's all in there. The concept of birthing the son of the devil, right? This concept of, again, having this vessel and invoking an entity or a deity into it and birthing it into reality. And then it turns out that Polanski was actually doing, in my opinion, the things that he was filming about, right? So you wonder where some people get these ideas of certain stories or books and you go, this is just, wow, this is too crazy. Well, it turns out that it's a biography, right? It's a metafiction, if you will. And it makes me think about, you know, Genuflect. And it might truly be, Greg, all about the anal birth of the homunculus. You know, it might be, it might be about that. All right, Tracy Twyman, get out of here. Careful going down those roads. Man, this was a lot of fun. Lots of weird, mysterious stuff out there. I appreciate you sending me copies of Occultist Monday. They are well-made. You don't see a lot of physical zine-type things anymore. And the illustrations are a lot of fun. So I think it's pretty cool that you're keeping the spirit of zine culture alive. But tell people where they can get the journal, listen to the show, all the irons you have in the fire. Sure. Definitely, Greg. And thank you so much for having me on, dude. This was awesome. And I can now check it off my bucket list. Like I said, I've been listening to you since before I started my podcast, way back when. And I'll say that we have the only alchemical comic drawings ever. And also, I'll go and say this, that I opened up for Sam Tripoli at a stand-up comedy show in Summerfield, Florida one day. And I am the only person in history to have a full set on homunculus and alchemical humor. So, you know, it is what it is. But now that's pretty nice. Let me ask you, though, about this alchemical comic drawings, because we're talking about Alan Moore. We're talking about Grant Morrison. You're going to say they don't have alchemical art? Oh, 100 percent, dude. Well, as far as homunculus art, definitely ours. The only homunculus alchemical art. Well, maybe the invisibles. Yeah, yeah. I think you're probably right, Greg. Maybe not. But I'm just messing with you. Take it. We'll put you in the Guinness book right next to that other guy we talked about. Again, I appreciate the opportunity, man. This is super fun. And you can find me anywhere that you listen to podcasts, Apple podcasts. You know, my website, www.tjojp.com has all my links. I have a Patreon. My backup YouTube channel is Juan on Juan Media. And I'm using that one because, again, the main one, Juan on Juan, got demonetized for weird reasons that, again, right, the YouTube overlords are unforgiving. And it was a 13 second short clip, right? Got me pinged after so many years. So just look up Juan on Juan and I'm there. Thank you, Greg. Of course. And let me ask you this, just for people, for clarification. When you go to the one-on-one RSS feed, it contains a lot of different things. Like it seems like you're running multiple shows or multiple series within the same RSS feed, which I think is cool. They're all titled correctly. Like, you know, so it's for clarity's sake, but you got Church of Cage, you got Schizospiracy, you got Occult Book Club, Illuminati Confirmed, Coquina Cowboys. Am I missing any? No, that's pretty much it. Those are the main shows. Again, Greg, we're out here pumping out content. And, you know, sometimes you want to just do an offshoot. Have you ever done another show? I mean, this is your only show, right? Yeah, I just stick to my guns. I'm a one-trick pony and I don't stray. Yeah. Yeah. I got plenty of shows. There's a lot to talk about. The world is weird. History is weird. And there's definitely not a shortage of topics. And the weirder it is, the better, the more esoteric and the more occult it is. I want to be there. I want to be researching it. And I want to bring the interesting aspects of reality to the people. And I just present the information to them. What they do with that information is up to them, but I'm not here to push any narratives or anything. I'm just here to have a good time. Amen. Cheers to that. I would agree. Thanks for doing what you do. Nice to know another local. Maybe we'll get together and meet space sometime, but best of luck out there. Appreciate you, Greg. Thank you. Well, cock-a-doodle-doo, my damies. How we feeling? What do we think? It seems like Juan has done some serious research on the Hermunculus topic, as well as other topics, but as a load-bearing wall of this interview, it's a great thing to talk about. I'm glad he was intrigued enough by the idea to accumulate the knowledge he has. And shouldn't we all strive to develop a deep knowledge of some random, bizarre, and obscure subject matter? I would say so, but I appreciate him sending out his Occultus Mundi zines. I honestly get a higher amount of book and guest pitches in my P.O. box than I really get time to fully dive into, but his stuck out. It's great art, highly digestible, and I also think I'm just a fan of zines and well-put-together physical stuff. And what do you know? He sent them out, and now at the end of that action, the butterfly flaps its wings and you're hearing us talk about it. Like always, the second hour gets deeper and weirder. We talked about modern attempts to make Hermunculi in Florida, the Florida squallies, and local cryptids. I really did want to fit that into the free show because there are some weird theories on what the squallies could be, and I wanted to put it in the title because squallies is such a weird word, but we just didn't get there. We got into the mysteries of Bach Tower and the little man story. Of course, that's somewhere Gordon and I had just been. We talked a little more about alchemy, the Fountain of Youth in Florida, and Nicolas Cage and the Cinemagician tradition. Juan has got hours of Nick Cage content and a whole sub-series you'll find in his archive, and that was fun to touch on too. Become a Plus member with the links right at the top of the show notes at thehiresidechats.com or on Patreon where you can even get Plus on Spotify if that's your thing. You also get access to the full archive of timeless classics that goes back over 10 years, all well edited to be more listenable, and all free of any of those pesky sponsor ad interruptions. All right, so we did get through most of what I had planned to ask him about except his section in volume four on ocular heads. There's a couple of great stories about people who constructed heads or did rituals and saw heads, and these heads were infused with some spirit and were prophetic in some way, and it's just very bizarre. Great artwork there too. You might remember when I interviewed Popehead, his display name on Twitter for a long time was the brazen head of Sylvester II, and I didn't know that was an actual story. In fact, here one says, Sylvester II crafted the head of a statue using his knowledge of astrology that remained silent until addressed and in typical fashion could only answer yes or no questions. William of Malmesbury in the 12th century writes that he cast for his own purpose the head of a statue by a certain inspection of the stars when all the planets were about to begin their courses, which spake, not unless spoken to, but then pronounced the truth either in the affirmative or negative. Wild stuff, and I've never heard the word spake before, but I like it. But Juan was fun. I like that he takes a neutral approach to most things, and kudos to him on having the first Old World Florida interview. Dr. Longo has certainly become pretty popular, and I think these are some guys that I could do real world events with from time to time. We will see how you people respond. I try not to go too deep into Florida-centric stuff just because I'm here, but there are a lot of layers to this place, and if the stories are good and the mysteries are interesting, I guess for me, I don't really care where they come from. I'll talk to Analog, for example, about every single state with pretty much the same level of interest. But speaking of how you people respond, let's look at the last show. Daniel Reutus, Vitamin Pilling Us All, Food Synergy, and Fetal Programming. So many interesting health perspectives, and plus members brought it in at a 4.4. Now, we know this is still good, but if you've been listening to me do this, I think it's clear that for our typical scale, that is on the lower side of still good. And I expected a 4.7 or 4.8. I thought we'd be on that top tier. To me, the vitamin origin stories are really eye-opening, and it makes sense to me that you can't just cut around this one thing and call it vitamin C and say it's the thing that makes an orange a healthy food. You can make a synthetic analog for a compound that might have some symptom-masking effects and give it the same name, but all drugs are essentially making a synthetic analog of something found in nature so that they can tweak it and patent it. They just say that more outright with drugs and not so much with vitamins. There are a lot of claims about intravenous vitamin C, but I don't think when they do that, that vitamin C comes from any natural source. So it is just another drug. And I guess it was controversial based on a couple of comments for him to say that vitamin D is just the marker in your body of how much sunlight you've gotten. But that's kind of true, isn't it? I don't think there's anything you can put in a pill and say this is the same as what the sun gives you. But you can measure this one thing in the body, the vitamin D level, and know that it corresponds to how much sun a person gets, and that that also relates to health outcomes. And you can probably synthesize something, put it in a pill, and have it also affect the level of that thing in the body. But just because you call that vitamin D in a pill and it raises your vitamin D level in the body doesn't really mean anything. We know dietary cholesterol does not raise the body's cholesterol level. But some of the critics of those ideas were saying that it's pretty common knowledge that a lot of red meat has vitamin D in it. Well, yeah, it has the same marker that we have that shows how much sunlight we got. And I think food, whether it's vegetable, fruit, or meat, if it's living food, it's a container for light energy. And that light energy gets transferred through eating it. I don't think that's weird to say that you can look at other living things and get that same marker reading. I don't know. I just found all that interesting and I thought it would be held in higher regard. That's all. But look, 4.4 is fine. Also in higher side news, the live event with Gordon is up for plus members almost three hours long. It should be in the RSS feed. And you can also get it on the website and the Patreon. And in the show notes of that post is also a link to the video if you want to watch it instead of just listen. I actually thought this would be a good test of providing the same content in a video and audio format and seeing if people really do jump over to watch the video instead. So far, it seems like the answer is no. Many people would rather just still listen. And I have gotten some audio complaints, but I don't think it's too bad for a live show. I've heard a lot of really rough live recordings. And of course, this is not something we usually do. So we just tried to record it in as many ways as we could. And the primary way was with my Rodecaster plugged right into the speaker system right into the board. But the guy running sound only had my microphone connected to it. So that clearly wasn't the audio source we were able to use. I also had a Tascam sitting on the table, and I think that is what I used for the audio. But if you end up watching the video, the audio source is actually the lapel mics that Gordon brought. Apparently, you can actually hear everything when I got up from the table to go take a leak because I was only thinking about the physical mics on the table, not the lapel mic. My bad. I'm not used to doing live stuff. That's very embarrassing. If I would have caught it, I would have got it out of there. But it is what it is. This is why I like the creature comforts of my own home. But if I were to get out again, I'd be going to a meetup somewhere on this island earth. Let's see what's on the events calendar. Very little, but we got Saturday, April 12th, Raleigh, North Carolina, Raleigh Brewing Company. Sunday, April 20th, New York, New York at the Standard Beer Garden. And April 27th, right here, just outside of Tampa and Tarpon Springs, Florida at the Sponge City Brewery. And then we got one way off in the distant future of June 1st in Huntington, Indiana at Heartland Harbor. Well, it seems March was a lot more jam packed, but hey, better than nothing. Why not go meet some new people at a local food and drink spot that you like? Get that place a shout out on the show and find people who have similar interests and propagate that locally. Free and open to everyone, HiresideMeetups.com. But that's the show. Thanks for listening. Huge thanks to those plus members who hear the whole thing and the guests like Juan who tell us about such fascinating subjects. I'm out. I've done my part. Your move, homunculus makers, alchemical art engineers, and squallies of Golden Gate Estates. You're bucking. You can try your best, but you won't succeed. In the transhumanistic future we see. We'll keep you wired so you can't sleep. Stack is a curve. It's just one chip behind your face. People that first get it should have a massive advantage over people that don't have it yet. Well, I mean, it's the kind of thing where your productivity would improve dramatically and maybe play factor of 10 with it. So you could definitely just, you know, take out a loan and do it and earn the money back real fast. Yeah. It should be super smart. When do you think you're going to do it? How long will you wait? Our big dream. Our hot.