Matthew J. Bell | Synchromysticism, Ritual Mapping, & The Four Corners Mystery

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And once you know it's there, you might even wonder how it could be used or even weaponized. Is it possible that the cultivated ignorance of a greater reality makes a population more susceptible to changes within it? Might there even be a long tradition of powerful magic users and cultural engineers in positions of influence that have crafted occult frameworks all around us that serve as the template for infusing esoteric potency into the seemingly mundane? Well, it seems like you control the game by controlling the game board. And today's guest, Matthew J. Bell, has been studying those who sit at the intersection of magic and power throughout history and through his YouTube channel and Substack, both titled simply The Synchromystic. He helps the regular folks get at least some sense of the deeper manipulative agenda woven through nearly everything. So let's get into it. The Chronicler of Uncanny Coincidence, Professor of Patterns, and Revealer of the Hidden, Matthew J. Bell. Welcome to The Higher Side. Well, thank you very much. Almost embarrassing to hear an introduction like that. Mission accomplished, then. I do really try to turn it up on people. But this is a treat. Recently, I had a great interview with the legendary Michael Hoffman, and several times after, he nudged me to check out your work and bring you here. And I'm glad he did. The people who really do this kind of work are few and far between. And if Michael Hoffman makes the pitch, well, who am I to not follow through? Right on. Yeah, I appreciate it. I've interacted with Michael Hoffman for many years. He's been a great friend to me on top of being a mentor in the sense of me following his work, as I'm sure thousands of others have. So that's great to hear. I did listen to that exchange that you had with him. Well, I'm glad to hear that you heard that. That one was a pretty dense one for sure. And I think anyone who's interested in synchromysticism sees a few examples of it early on that really shake them up. And then you kind of try to do the mental calculus to reverse engineer how it could even be possible for such a thing to have happened. For me, it was the never-ending string of 9-11 synchs and, of course, Neo's passport expiring on 9-11-2001, given the subject matter of the movie. That's really weird. And then The Dark Knight having a famous premiere theater shooting and a map that circles Sandy Hook in red as a strike zone. I seem to be really drawn to these examples that weave fiction and reality together. But I understand for you, at least one of the things that was curious was seeing that the Unabomber was apprehended in the scapegoat wilderness of Montana. What were some of the other early examples that really made you feel like there was something to this stuff beyond coincidence? Right. First, when you mentioned the density of the interview that you had with Michael Hoffman, I just want to say, which is probably obvious, and I think you communicated it and so did he in the previous interview, but to really understand this stuff, which is what my ambition is, and you expressed that, I think it takes more than just the guillotant sort of using it for entertainment. And you guys addressed that quite deeply in that other interaction. So I would say as dense as the material was with him, it is still lighter to approach it in the format that it was delivered than it would be to dive into some of his books. So I would say for listeners who are wanting to actually get a hold of this stuff and try to make sense of it for themselves, it's necessary to do both and to revisit something like that interview material in order to get an insight into the books. It's almost like what they call in interpretation a hermeneutical spiral, where you continue to revisit the things that you've gone through in the past, but you're at a different level of understanding, hopefully. Now, in terms of the examples, I'm going back to the very first mention when I became aware of Michael Hoffman was through a magazine that was titled Paranoia. Oh, Ron Patton's a friend of mine. And in the early days of the show, Ron Patton would actually co-host shows. And Paranoia was a little bit of a thing in the early days of this show. Yeah. Okay. Now, I don't know what the publication history is. This would have been around 1999 when you could actually pick these magazines up on a newsstand. And unfortunately, their internet does some things very well. I can try and say something original, but it's almost a sure bet that somebody has said it, and in this case, Michael Hoffman, and you guys got into this as well, as to how these even marginal print-run magazines still with 1,000 or 5,000 readers were essentially put out of business by the internet. And so it's unfortunate. But in that interview, he got into the Unabomb case. And so that was the first one that was striking. It's one of those facts when you realize that Theodore Ted Kaczynski was apprehended. In the, quote, scapegoat wilderness, it's one of those things where I put the interview down, and I thought to myself, it's either outlandish, why would somebody claim that if it were... So you put it down, you check it, and when you realize that it's the case, it's absolutely astounding. And to just put this into a temporal index, obviously, this was just a year, two years prior to 9-11. I acquired Michael Hoffman's book, Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare. At which point, all of the examples that he gives in that book, which is a really wide-ranging exploration that loosely touches on many categories of things that have propelled a lot of my own research efforts, including into such arcane philosophical oubliates as Neoplatonism. And immediately after that, 9-11 occurred. And that is precisely, you know, he has many newsletters where he got into all of the sinks and, well, many of the sinks that you guys discussed already. So I would say, similar to your experience, the 9-11 sinks were very important. But looking backward, it was also things like the Oklahoma City bombing. It was also things like, he mentioned the DC sniper. He mentioned the Son of Sam killings, which once I was introduced to his work, you sort of are often tempted to turn your attention backward. Of course, the JFK assassination is perhaps the best well-known and the most trod territory in this investigation. And the thing about a lot of these situations, like you mentioned, Oklahoma City bombing, DC sniper, Kaczynski, there is a synchromistic level of detail to the names, the dates, the places, and then you unravel it. And it's always like, well, this guy was an MKUltra victim. Like there's a PSYOP aspect to it, of course. So there's like, the details always reflect some conspiratorial tapestry that culminated in an event like Ted Kaczynski or the Oklahoma City bombing. And that's probably a clue to the intentionality of stringing this stuff together, wouldn't you say? I think that Michael Hoffman and others, probably you yourself, have identified one of the problems with this line of inquiry, namely that it's difficult to tell the difference between synchs that you just run into and imbue with meaning rather than ones that bespeak a larger program in the way that you just said, a conspiratorial tapestry. So I think that it is an important feature if we're trying to ascertain which events are worth really pouring a lot of time and energy into in terms of analyzing, to find that the players are MKUltra assets or that they have been experimented on adds a layer of importance to that particular event as opposed to other events, which they might not check off all those boxes. Obviously, something like the Kennedy assassination, for example, is just world historic on the face of it. And so it's easy to think, I'm going to look for synchs in something like that, as opposed to encountering the synchs, sort of speak, organically, where you're not looking for there to be any deeper meaning to, it just sort of confronts you. Maybe that was your experience with the things you listed with respect to Neo and the passport and the ID card that expires on September 11th and so on. There are all kinds of videos with Simpsons, how they have this kind of thing inside of it. So it depends if you're encountering it that way. But I do agree. Essentially, I think that when we're trying to determine what events are worth really investing with energy and which synchs do tend to have the most meaning for the widest number of people, I actually wanted to do a presentation myself trying to look at what does synchronicity mean. And of course, we'd have to get into things like, you know, Carl Jung's huge corpus and Arthur Kessler and that kind of thing. But it's always struck me as somewhat odd that the canonical example that is given from summaries of Jung's perspective on synchronicity is this idea of the beetle that appeared at his window. You know, he was a psychoanalyst. He has some patient on his couch and she's describing something like a dream she had where she encountered some scarab beetle and then simultaneous to that or within the same sort of spectrum of time, Jung looks out his office window and there's this odd beetle. What's odd about that example, Jung called it a synchronicity. That's one of the cases that he used to formulate his theory. So I'm not going to second guess him. But I'm saying if there was a window washer outside of there who saw the same beetle, it wouldn't have had the same synchronicity meaning to him because he's not listening to the conversation inside of the room. But with a Kennedy assassination or with the Kaczynski episode, those can have meaning to anybody who is aware of the news of it. So there is a level of generality or applicability that applies. And you're quite right that in looking at many of these cases, at least the cases that are worth talking about, it's unclear whether out of all the cases we could be talking about, we just happen to be talking also about ones that have this, as you called it, conspiratorial tapestry, whether or not the cases that have become canonical in the sense of the Unabomb case and the DC sniper and all the rest of it, those are canonical precisely because they check off more of those boxes. But this is a much more analytical issue. I had somebody criticize me probably quite justifiably because they thought, you call yourself the synchromistic, but at the same time, this is pretty heavy handed in terms of rational analysis. And so what's the connection between the two? And I think that's a fair question. That understanding aspect of it is the thing that really drives me, I suppose, more than anything else. I want to know what is going on. Amen. Man, I'm right there with you. I think I'm more of your mindset, but that's why I said in the intro that oftentimes people have an apotheosis event. They see beyond the veil. They know it's there, whether it's psychedelics or whatever, and their worldview is changed. And then you think, okay, well, whatever that is on the other side, is it possible that powerful people have mapped it way better, have figured out how to use it, have figured out how to manipulate it or even weaponize it against a population. So I think about these synchromistic examples. And in films like The Matrix or The Dark Knight, it's pretty obvious that you can see things in the details because the whole movie is made up and packaged together. And then you scale it up a little bit to the Ted Kaczynski example. It's like, well, he's found in the scapegoat wilderness. What's that about? Who sent him there? How did he get the idea to go there? Did he even go there? Was it just something the media said? Because a lot of this comes through the media's story, the media's telling of events. So the detail could be injected at that point. But then you scale up even further to something like Kamala Harris. Now this I can't stop talking about, but Kamala Harris, her name, her first and last name are both stars in the Andromeda constellation with the exact same letter for letter, but reversed mirror image. And Andromeda is a constellation for the chained lady. So obviously the association and the name of Andromeda is a man-made creation. Someone named those stars, but of course Kamala Harris would have been named way later in more recent history. Easier to just fabricate her name. I'm always trying to figure out, well, how could this have come to be? And so when I watched your video, Four Corners, Cryptozoology, Numerology, Sacred Geometry, UFOs, and more about that area where Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, and Utah are said to meet and how it's actually off a little bit, maybe for magical purposes, the big picture aha realization to me was that if you're talking about people who want to get control over time and space, reality is made up of time and space. You are talking about the people who crafted the modern calendar and the longitude-latitude system gridding the earth and the imperial system that says water freezes at 32 degrees. There's that number popping up again. It's like almost as if occultists like John Dee and others, man, you talk about so many occultists I'd never even heard of, but these people who crafted the system, it's almost like they built an organ that they can play. So to play music on an organ, you need to build the keys. You need to build the physical keys that you can press to make the music. It's almost like the longitude and latitude is a form of building that infrastructure over space and then the calendar and the changing of the calendar, now the Gregorian calendar, that is a form of creating that infrastructure, that overlay over time. And then you can make events where you hit the right notes in time and space and there's some added energetic potency. I don't know, but is that kind of how you see it? How you think these things could be done is by looking at the people who even made longitude latitude and said, why are all these things happening on this latitude? Well, who even made that system? And then you find out that it's someone involved in the occult. Right. That's a huge cluster of ideas there, very deep waters that we're going to now wade into Europe. And I appreciate it. Those are the kinds of questions that really propel my inquiries, to be perfectly honest with you. And it's actually perhaps a point of disagreement that I do have with Michael Hoffman when he kept returning to the idea that this is not mathematical, it is merely poetic. And the way I would put it is to harken back to interpretation, which I made a reference to earlier about the spiral of interpretation. I think that it's an art and a science. And at the edges, it's difficult to disentangle. I mean, for example, there is a poetic element to it. And I don't think anybody who has been paying attention can mistake that. And Hoffman, in his very many works and in my interactions with him, he makes that case very beautifully. I've incorporated it into my own perspective, that there is a sense in which it's like a story with a script and props. And there's that aspect to it. But as you point out, and as I have tried to point to in some of the videos that I've done, there's also an unmistakable mathematical current. And Michael Hoffman mentions this himself. In fact, it's the place from which I, it was my jumping off point of investigation was again in Secret Societies when he quotes John Dee, who is the Elizabethan sorcerer and astrologer royal to Queen Elizabeth I. He quotes John Dee, who is quoting Giovanni Pico della Mirandola, the Renaissance Italian humanist. And the quote goes something like this, by number, a way is had to the searching out and understanding of everything able to be known. And Hoffman in his own work associates that with the commoditization, computerization, bar codization, reducing everybody to a number. Well, what is that? Except if you're thinking geo strategically, that's latitude and longitude. I mean, that's putting numbers to the globe. Now, is this the construction, like it's an engineering project? I think that would be to give these people too much credit. I just don't think that they have the capacity to imbue the world. I think what is happening is this art and science kind of thing. There is a sense in which you might say that the globe has arguably these acupuncture points or what the equivalent of an acupuncture point on the human body would be on the globe. Why are the pyramids built where they are in Egypt? Perhaps there's something about that spot. There's some gravitas to that spot that they're tagging into. And the lines of latitude and longitude, let's just suppose, are an attempt to systematize that or to work it out into a grid pattern, which can then be used to help facilitate what others like Alfred Watkins call ley lines in order to facilitate alignments in construction. I mean, now we can speculate about that, but I would just point to Pythagoras. I made a video just on Pythagoras because he's so important in the occult. And of course, one of the things about him was he said all is number. Plato picks up on this in his Timaeus, Baileus of Miletus. I mean, it's interesting that in the course of the Renaissance, so many of the occultists were also mathematicians like John Dee, Nicholas of Cusa, Reuchlin, who I think Hoffman mentioned the last time, and if you want to go into today, some of the alphabet soup agencies that are even more secretive even than the NSA and the CIA include places like the Office of Geospatial Information. I mean, this is a place that maps the globe. There's also the National Reconnaissance Office. You want to Google some of their patches. For example, they have this patch that says, we own the night with an owl. Okay, well, you know owl symbolism from Bohemian Grove, Athena. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff there. But Palladium at Night, well, that's an acronym for PAM. They've got a patch, this National Reconnaissance Office that literally is almost a tribute to PAN. You might say the Pagan Deity. And then the Information Awareness Office, which was DARPA-affiliated, whose symbol is an all-seeing eye basically projecting onto a globe if you just, their Wikipedia page. So my point is, just to riff on what you were saying, is I think that this mathematical element granted it's not a science in the sense that they can guarantee, I think he's quite right to say, Hoffman, and you both picked up on this with the game of 21 symbolism, that there is a bet, there is a gamble that goes on, that they're risking something, that they don't have a determined outcome that they can rely on. If they just sort of do certain things, it's guaranteed to go their way. It depends on our reaction. So there is an artistic element to that. But at the same time, I think there's an unmistakable mathematical element to it. And I think it transcends this idea of poetry. I do think that both are relevant. Now, you did also talk about, do powerful people understand it more? I make a distinction when I try to scrupulously adhere to this. When I'm talking about these sort of would-be masters of mankind, and you can fill it in with the names that you prefer, it's often the case that you hear people refer to them as the elite, quote unquote. Well, I refer to them as the money elite. They might have more money than we do, but I don't think that it's obvious in the least that they have more understanding. And part of that has to do with some of maybe what Hoffman would agree with, namely that I think understanding has got to be resonant with our humanity. And to the extent that these people are running contrary to nature in many regards, I don't think they can have true understanding in that way. So I would say they don't understand it more than we do. It's possible to go a Crowleyan pragmatism route, which you guys also got into, namely that, well, it's not that we understand it. It's just that we've discovered that this works. And why it works, oh, we don't know why it works, but I wouldn't say there's any understanding there in the sense that we're wrestling with. There might be an awareness that Joe Sixpack doesn't have because it's just on the couch receiving these impressions without really giving them any thought. And so these stage managers are weaponizing this stuff, and some people are unaware of it. But for somebody like you, for somebody like many of your listeners, for Michael Hoffman and so on, I would argue that we, at least in principle, have the ability to gain a kind of understanding at a deeper level than even the people who pretend to have facility over these kinds of forces. So anyway, I mean, that's all kind of just me reacting to what you said there. Yeah, sure. I mean, that's a good point about the word elite. I think, you know, words probably do matter, and I try to not use that word. It gets used, but I try to say parasite class because they're really sucking everything up. Or I try to say, you know, sorcerarchy. I mean, that's a little loaded. Some people think that's a little too much. But the thing about magic is it works best if you're trying to manipulate people. It works best on people who don't believe that it's possible or don't believe that a spell is being cast. If you tell someone, hey, your neighbor, you know, you look out. I think they might have put some kind of a curse on you. That immediately is going to heighten their awareness. If they were to believe in such a thing, it would heighten their awareness. It would maybe even change their behavior. It would definitely make them more on guard with that neighbor. But we have a culture that doesn't believe magic is possible. So if you have all these magic practitioners and sorcerers in positions of power, and they're using their magical toolbox on the people, well, that's the best possible situation for them. And I wanted to get a little bit more into your Four Corners video. If I can, before you do that, because in secret societies, Hoffman actually, I think, expresses an idea that could be understood as a counterpoint to what you just said. Namely, if I remember right, he basically makes the case that if you tell somebody they're hypnotized, and this is the example that he gives, he made the claim that it can actually deepen the hypnotic state unless that awareness is followed up with some kind of actual action. That is, he's referenced amnesia, ebulia, and apathy, which, you know, the inability to remember the past, amnesia, the inability or unwillingness to care about issues that affect us, that's apathy. And then ebulia is sort of a mismatch between what you know objectively your interests are and what you actually make decisions around. So it's a failure of will in a certain sense. But his point, I think, is that the awareness per se, you might think that it puts somebody on guard. This is his. I don't actually know which side to come down on. There's a case that can be made intuitively for the perspective you said, that magic will work best if people are just blissfully unaware. But on the other hand, Hoffman, I think, would press the point that just making people aware that it's happened often, and I think his evidence for that would be, look, how many people believe that the Kennedy assassination was actually Oswald? And according to polls, you know, 60, 70% of people do not believe that. And yet, we've marched headlong into a police state. We've gone right into 9-11. We've gone right into COVID. We've gone right into the next crisis. Seemingly, that awareness that something deeper is responsible for running our country has not resulted in any actual attempt to, or certainly not successfully, cast off that yoke of oppression. And therefore, I think his point would be, this is evidence that awareness by itself is essentially worse than useless. It makes us worse afterwards. Well, right. No, there's a point there, too, because ignorance is bliss. I have friends that work jobs that would just destroy me, and they're able to go to that job day in and day out because they want a simple life. And they don't care. And so, yes, sometimes ignorance is bliss, and just being aware of things makes it worse because you're like, well, now I have to actually rise to some occasion, and that's hard to do. That was the truth or consequences reference that he made to New Mexico in relation to the Kennedy assassination. There's an actual town in New Mexico, right? Truth or consequences, and you just hit it. That was Jim Garrison's. Anyway, that was the society and so on. So, yes, to get into the material of the Four Corners situation, so this is a great example because there seems to be a natural power point of high strangeness there, but there's also the overlay, the human-made overlay of lines and latitude and longitude, and of course, a monument. So, this is relevant because 2025 is the 150th anniversary of the sandstone shaft being placed there, but there is a debate on if it's in the right place. A 1863 Act of Congress divided Arizona and New Mexico down the 32nd degree longitude. There's that Masonic number again. And you say Washington, D.C. was intentionally placed at 77 degrees west latitude. So, 32 plus 77 should be 109, but the monument is a little over two miles from that line. So, what do you think is going on there? My first thought is that there is a real power place, and they are venerating it two miles away because they don't actually want a bunch of people going to the right place. But what are your thoughts? Is that how you see it? So, there's two criticisms that can be made of the placement, and one is the two-mile criticism, and the other is the criticism that, well, it's not off by two miles, it's off by something like 1,800 feet or something like that if you get into that part of the presentation. And the upshot is correct. Whether it's two miles off or whether it's 1,800 feet off, you could make the case that there is a PowerPoint and that they simply don't want people to be aware of what it is. Now, I don't know which way to come down on that particular spot, but I would once again just sort of hit the note that once you've attached importance to Washington, D.C., and the case can be made, and I talk about it in that I summarize other people who have made the case probably better, that Washington, D.C. lies along the 77th meridian because that line has got the mojo. Then somehow it's the offset of 32 degrees that is also important, and then that lands you at four corners. That's the basic intuitive premise is that Washington, D.C. is the power center from which all of this stuff radiates, and then the offset of 32 degrees somehow more efficiently, let's say, transmits that mojo. I mean, that's one way of approaching this. That could be the case. Now, the question is, is that an overlay that's man-made or not? And I would say, once again, we get into this art and science dichotomy here and interplay, where it's not clear whether or not it's simply these masters, would-be masters of mankind are declaring that this is the spot they want power to be, or whether or not they think they've worked out an equation whereby if you start at X, namely Washington, D.C., and you offset by 32 degrees, you're going to also get to another place of power. But it's certainly the case that the incidental surrounding four corners sort of speak to that, like the fact that there was the U.S. Route 666 that ran north to south around the area. Yes. I mean, there's just all kinds of other strangeness that says somebody believes there's something strange about this place. Well, let me jump in here because I have all these details kind of laid out because I thought this part was really great, but it is kind of complicated. So you talk about a book called Marking Time by Duncan Steele that points out that John D. created an earth grid system that depended upon the importance of the 77th meridian, which Steele calls God's longitude. And after D. died later, I guess followers of D., that's where they placed Washington, D.C., and he makes some reference to establishing that Easter would be celebrated at the meridian on the right Sunday. That's a little complicated because Easter changes. But you mentioned the references to 7 and 77. You say that it's said that there are 77 generations from Adam to Jesus. Crowley's Rights of Man is often called Book 77. Flight 77 was the one that hit the Pentagon, where there seemed to have been no actual plane wreckage. So that's another thing, like, I think this just came from the media. Then there's the whole seventh son of the seventh son motif, and Jesus says to forgive not seven times, but 70 times seven, which is 490, 490. Well, there's this movie you point out called 491 with the tagline, it is written that 490 times you can sin and be forgiven. This film is about the 491st. Well, as you know, we had a Devil's Highway, Route 666, which is already an anomaly because it's an even number for a north-south highway. So they went out of their way to do that because that is not how it's done. And in 2003, by decree, they changed Route 666 to Route 491. So if Jesus says, forgive 70 times 7, 490, then 491 can represent unforgiveness or anti-Christ. So they renamed Highway 666 as Highway 491. It means essentially the same thing, it's just a little more obscured. So clearly not an accident. Yeah. My intuition would align with you on that particular conclusion, for sure. It's interesting also that the Egyptian god Set, which Michael Hoffman has linked to our word Satan, Set on, and he does that via the authority of Crowley's disciple, Kenneth Grant. You know, Set was supposedly the Egyptian god of deserts, storms, chaos. Well, you know, you've got a lot of that in the Four Corners area. So you might make the case that all of it is filled with this diabolical, over-related, the whole thing. In terms of John Dee's very complicated involvement, which it was a mighty task for me to try to even summarize the basics of what was going on with the calendar stuff, because it's just so arcane, as you mentioned. I mean, it's almost just impenetrable. The upshot is that the Gregorian calendar that we have was created by Catholics, just to distill it down to brass tacks here. Gregory XIII, I think it was, in the late 16th century, he didn't personally do this, but his astrologers, and at the time, astronomy and astrology, there was kind of a shady line of demarcation between the two. So he had his people working on a calendar update. Part of the issue was that Easter floats, but the Council of Nicaea can be interpreted as, this was a very important early council in 325. It's thought of as the first ecumenical council, which many branches of Christianity follow. And the statements of this council could be interpreted as suggesting that Easter ought to be fixed from year to year. And so it was a problem with the Julian calendar that Easter tended to float. And it was seen as problematic in part because of the Catholic view that these councils are essentially, in important points of doctrine, communicating truth infallibly without error. So if Nicaea's claimed not to float, and it floats, that was seen as a problem. Well, John Dee was part of the Protestant context during his time in Elizabethan England. Of course, he was on the outs with Mary, who preceded Elizabeth, who swung things back toward, I mean, not to get into the history of the revolution, but your listeners understand Henry VIII sort of usurped the title head of the church. When he died, Edward VI, his son, was very young, impressionable, and the country swung toward Protestantism. Mary took the throne back over. She was Catholic. Persecutions followed on both sides. And so Elizabeth steps into the picture and says, well, let's mediate. Anglicanism was essentially constructed by an attempt to sort of placate Catholics and Protestants. So theologically, it has elements, of course, of Protestantism, but it also has the liturgical stamp that would have been somewhat reminiscent of Catholic liturgies. And so that was an attempt to mediate. But John Dee's idea was, England, let us put a calendar in place to replace the Julian, since this is in the air, the replacement of the calendar. So to get away from the details, I think it was just John Dee spearheading a Protestant attempt to make the new calendar, which ultimately was unsuccessful. But part of that depended, as you say, or according to Duncan Steel, on the capture of the 77th meridian. So for some reason, they just believed that that location had importance. Now, did they believe it because it was the 77th meridian? Or did they simply design the longitude system so that that particular location would correspond with 77? Well, that's a question I can't answer. But either way, you want to go with the answer. It certainly speaks to the importance of the importance of that location. And as you have rehearsed, there are plenty of odd little facts that suggest that the number seven and multiples of seven are important in the occult. You know, standardly, it means something like completeness, or you can get into analysis or other kinds of numerological significances for seven. But I think the ones that you summarized are a good entree, namely that there's something about forgiveness, there's something about generations, there's something about transferring power or authority, seven son of a seven son type of thing. They're saying this side is important, potent, and trying to communicate that via the 32 degree offset to the four corners. Yes. So you go on in that video to talk about the four corners area being a hotbed of high strangeness. I interviewed in the past J.C. Johnson, a cryptozoologist who's now passed on, but he was highly focused on that area and all the weird sightings around there. Some people will say it's a hotbed for UFO activity. You mentioned that it's actually a major spot for methane emissions. So there's some natural stuff going on there. But you also get into the real history saying that the Anasazi Indians lived there for centuries until they vanished without a trace between 1200 and 1300 AD. And then you have this kind of curious thing that you throw in that alchemist Fucanelli said that alchemists were able to build vertical accelerators, weapons of transmuting substances with incendiary effects. And then you show towers and kind of talk about almost obelisks. Are you saying that there's some kind of energy weapon application to a tower like that? Is that what obelisks initially were? What do you think happened to these Native Americans that were in that area that mysteriously vanished? And why jump to the whole thing about towers and accelerators and fire? Yes. Well, as Michael Hoffman mentioned, a lot of this was communicated to me through Jim Brandon, who is a dear friend, and I have learned quite a bit from him. And as he would, I think, put it, the Four Corners area is one of his enthusiasms, partly because of all the strangeness. And he and I have had many discussions about the relationship of alchemy to some of these things in terms of the possibility of energy weapons, which in modern context is kind of floated sometimes under the label cold fusion. You know, there's all kinds of other tie-ins to this. There was a episode which, in search of, with Leonard Nimoy got into the Siberian fireball explosion or the Tunguska explosion, which to this day is, if you're a naturalist, you think it's not unexplained. It was an airburst meteor, end of story. You know what I mean? But if you're a little bit skeptical at all, I think you might think, well, you know, that might resolve the issue, but I'm certainly not a scientist, so I can't resolve the issue in total. But the tie-in with alchemy is quite strange. And the idea there came through this enigmatic character, Tal Levesque, who, I guess he's long since departed the scene. He mentioned, I think, that there could have been some kind of a thermonuclear style event that essentially, and I think what he's thinking is that the structures there remain. They were hardened in place to a certain extent, and the people, for all intents and purposes, just disappeared. So I think what Tal Levesque was trying to posit was an explanation that would account for why the structures were in place and the people seemingly were not. But of course, anthropologists might tend to say, well, they just migrated whoever the Anasazi were. They were simply interbred with or turned into the Hopi or the Navajo. And you know what I mean? That end of story. It's just, that's the supposition. As Hoffman mentioned with respect to Downard, I would say we're not dogmatic about these kinds of claims. It's sort of just tossing them into the mix for consideration, partly because they do allow a person. I think so many of these events are useful because they can essentially be a jumping off point into further inquiry. So whether you think about the four corners as literally being resolved, the question of the Anasazi by this speculation about thermonuclear energy that alchemists might have some kind of insight into, or whether or not you just say, I'm interested in the four corners, and then, oh, wow, I've never heard of this, you know, the Siberian fireball. Now you're off and running in. And I guess my purpose in including some of that material is more to sort of expose people who might not be aware of the breadth of the strangeness that exists, really. So I don't know if it's the best explanation in this case, but it certainly is an intriguing one. It makes the imagination run wild for sure. Right. And so this is also where it gets really interesting to me, because you talk about the Hopi being descendants of the Anasazi and the structure of their traditional Kiva huts, always with a hole in the ground, which some say symbolizes the place for spirits to come out and bless their complex. But others say it's a reference to the time that they went into the earth to avoid a cataclysmic time on the surface. Solar flares, solar radiation. I'm a big advocate for the cyclical cataclysmic model, because I think it fits when you look at what the system tries to censor and tries to move us away from thinking in those kind of terms. I think it kind of fits. I mean, if you're thinking about your mortality and the limited time on the earth, whether it's on the micro scale of a human life or a civilization, you're not going to waste a lot of time going to your job and just making money for the parasite class. You know, you're going to want more. You're going to have more ambitions. You're going to look for that deeper meaning to life. So to me, it kind of fits. So I'm always interested in this. I also love the inner earth stuff. I love the underground material. And so you talk about this possibility, and then you say that Jay Widener and Vincent Bridges wrote a book called The Mysteries of the Great Cross of Hende, Alchemy and the End of Time. That kind of ties in here. Apparently, there is a town called Hende in France, and there's a cross, an artifact that contains a map to navigate the inner world and takes you through a route through Peru. And this is how people fled the cosmic radiation. Now, if we're talking about a cataclysm, sure, there can be small things in one area, but we might be talking about something global or something that hits different parts of the globe at different times. And our ancestors knew you go underground when this happens. So we're not saying that the Hopi went through tunnels through Peru, but they do say these tunnels seem to connect everywhere underground. But I had never heard of this particular book or this artifact, The Great Cross of Hende. Talk to us about this a little bit. Yeah, it's one of those things where you think, where did he come up with this in the first place? It just seems so niche. But to kind of make it a little bit more relevant, yeah, I thought it is a tie-in to some of the hollow earth mythos. And yeah, his point, if I remember correctly from that material, was that he thinks that our entire zodiac, I mean, this is a common claim, no matter what kind of view you take, that the zodiac somehow is a map to these kinds of ideas. And if I remember right, he talks about how Sagittarius, in his analysis, the arrow is pointed at the center of the universe as if it were a warning to us, if we are able to interpret it right, that, hey, look in this direction. And essentially, it's got to do with the fact that wherever the earth is in the Milky Way, that somehow it almost wobbles with respect in a similar way as axial precession, the earth sort of tilts, you know, and wobbles on its axis. According to Widener and Bridges, the entire Milky Way tilts with respect to the center of the universe. And they posit that somehow there are bursts of energy that can come, and maybe that always come from the center of the universe, and that the earth is protected from that by being not on that plane. But as soon as whatever it is, 26,000 years or fill in the blank with some large amount of time, every so often, the earth gets a blast of this energy. And at that point, life as we know it is altered or comes to an end or something in that anybody who wants to survive that has to go. That's their thesis. It's got a lot of literary interest, and this is back to the question of art and science. Louis L'Amour, in his Haunted Mesa, makes a lot of hay out of the kiva and the entrance of this kiva and this mystical area of the four corners that it accesses some kind of... I'm not so sure we could describe it as hollow earth because he almost envisions it as a separate plane of existence, but it ties in to the hollow earth mythos in a number of ways. And if you look at authors, as I'm sure you're probably better aware than I, you're quite right, that there are all these access points that they basically assert that in the center of the earth, they all come together. So maybe there's an access point underneath the paws of the stinks, right? I think I mentioned maybe that Edgar Cayce kind of got into that and just all over the place. I mean, you know, maybe there's one at the four corners. Tal Levesque, I think, was a fan of that idea. He was also a UFO in the same vicinity. There was also this UFO contactee, which I think Levesque mentions by the name of... He called himself Brother Philip. I forget the guy's name, but I think it's in there. Anyway, somehow you can bring in the idea of alien, if you want to call it revelation or something, that people are being told that this area is super important or that this will be the area that we need to run to in the event that some cataclysm comes. It gets all very interesting, but it's certainly difficult to get a handle on. In terms of the cross of Hende, whether or not Bridges... I mean, first level, it is there. I mean, it does appear that this is a real cross. They haven't fantasized that. As to whether or not their analysis of the cross is correct, that's, of course, a separate matter and your readers can consult their book for the full case. I actually think they have a video on it too, because he claims to be an alchemist, I believe. Widener does. And he's got a lot of information that pertains to alchemy. And so that's another interest of mine and kind of the Fulconelli tie-in. But yeah, I mean, what to make of that? I don't know. I just think that my purpose in pointing it out was that these kivas and the idea that the Anasazi may have gone into the earth is resonant with other kind of mythologies or stories around the world, including this particular one. Right. And you're talking about a group of people who have legends that they win inside the earth to avoid a cataclysm. And they lived in this area. They didn't live in Missouri. They lived in this area. And they honor this tradition with these holes in the floor of their huts, because if you did survive this, it'd be like, well, thanks earth for protecting our people. So I do find that really interesting. Also, it's on the other side of the state of Colorado, but Colorado is one of the four corners. And obviously there's all that ominous stuff with the zombie horse at the Denver airport and the apocalyptic murals and all that. And also a Freemasonic time capsule that's there, which I think should have already been opened, but either way. So this is interesting. When you're talking about obelisks, you cite a book called The Story of Freemasonry by W.B. Sibley from 1913, where he writes that the discovery of Masonic emblems in the foundation of the steps of the Egyptian obelisk at Alexandria, known as Cleopatra's needle, is accepted by many scholars as strong evidence that Freemasonry existed at least a century before Christ. And you go on to say this specific obelisk was transported in 1880 from Alexandria to New York Central Park, where it now stands and they constructed a specific vessel for its transport. That is odd. You'd think you could put a damn stone on any old boat, but this seems highly ritualistic. And then just to kind of stick the landing in what is the first hour here, you tend to always include the details of a person's religion when citing them. You did it earlier here, but in your videos, it's almost always like this person was of this and of that. And a lot of it does get mixed up, but obviously you find it to be relevant to trying to parse the motivations and the moral leanings of certain people. Jewish Kabbalah and Freemasonry seem to come up the most, but they're also pretty intermixed and also some of the oldest traditions. Are these the people that you might consider the true engineers of even today's synchromystic happenings? So I do think it's relevant. And my children are probably at this point in their lives, quite sick of hearing me use the phrase worldview issues. There are a lot of questions that I will say, well, this is a worldview issue. And worldview is one of those things you can think of maybe like a set of glasses through which a person sees the world. So if you are a naturalist, for example, or let's just say an atheist, then a person's going to see the world as entirely physical in some sense, that there are no such things as spirits. I mean, the question of minds comes charging in as an objection right away and that kind of a view. But the point is that the atheist is going to see the world in a certain way and they're going to assume that all of the things we've been talking about, for instance, are just going to cash out in terms of human psychology. We're just fantasizing maybe synchronicity just exists in our minds and there's going to be some anthropological reason, like a drought, why the Anasazi didn't survive or why we don't have traces of them. On the other hand, if a person is some kind of a theist, their worldview is going to invite a different type of analysis. And then, of course, there's all kinds of varieties of theism. So I absolutely think that there is a distinction. And again, Hoffman and you talked about this the previous time, namely the distinction between the collection of evidences and the analysis that one provides for what explains those evidences or what ties them together. So the topic was Jake Kotsi or Kotsi and the issue was, okay, Hoffman said he's got a lot of things that I think are great in terms of insights, the evidences he collected, but I disagree with his conclusions that he draws. And that is really where I think the relevance of pointing out hints that might give us insight into a person's worldview. So if a person is coming from the standpoint of, let's say they're leaning toward pantheism or they're leaning toward Jewish Kabbalah or they're leaning toward a Christian framework, that that's relevant at the level, certainly, of analysis. It might not be relevant at the level of whether or not we accept a certain event as an oddity that has to be explained. But the question is, once we've accepted an event as an oddity, you know, like you mentioned this thing about Kamala Harris and the thing in the galaxy, okay, well, if that's a fact, I haven't checked it, but let's say it is. If it's a fact, then it's a fact that everybody has to contend with. If you're an atheist, you're going to contend with it by saying it's just fantasy, say, that we're imbuing importance to this, right? Or if you are more synchronistically inclined, you might take a different explanation. But the fact itself that there is this constellation and it has these stars, let's say, if it is a fact, has to be reckoned by anybody. Now, you asked about the true engineers. Let me back up before I touch on that. First of all, Colorado does seem to be very active. I mean, remember that the Dark Knight shooting was in Aurora, which also happens to be the location of Buckley Air Force Base. And one of the penumbra of what we were talking about in terms of latitude and longitude and the control or mapping of the world is the fact that the master clock for timekeeping is at Schriever, what they call Space Force Base. Schriever Space Force Base is near or in Colorado Springs. And it is also basically a counterpart to the Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C. Well, the Naval Observatory is Kamala Harris's residence. I mean, that's where they live. And the Naval Observatory was the point from which the 32 degrees was evidently calculated when they made a reference to the Four Corners. So in other words, the Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C. is linked with Schriever, which is in Colorado Springs. And both are supposedly the master timekeeping places for the United States. In addition to that, the Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C. also serves, at least I think it serves since Walter Mondale as the residence for the vice president. I remember Mondale was the vice president for Jimmy Carter, who just passed. So that's kind of at the level of maybe a throwaway sink that just happens that we came off of, you know, the anniversary of Carter hitting 100 and dying and so on. But Mondale, I think, was the first. I think I'm right about that. But Colorado, and certainly around the Springs area, has Peterson Air Force Base. NORAD is in Cheyenne Mountain. And then you've got questions about if there is an access point to supposedly there's 13 subterranean layers under Cheyenne Mountain. Does NORAD connect to this underground apparatus in some way, at least at its deepest levels? You know, you've got the Air Force Academy there. Fort Carson is there. Just a ton of stuff. Colorado is very active. Now, you said any old boat to transport the obelisk. I think one of the things to recall about an obelisk is that an actual proper obelisk is hewn out of a single piece of rock. The Washington Monument is sometimes referred to as an obelisk, but it's not a proper obelisk in this sense, because it's basically a patchwork of bricks. It's shaped like an obelisk, but it's not an obelisk in the sense of being hewn out of a single piece of rock. So the question is, how do you transport something that's so, I don't know what the weight would be on these things, but it reminds me of the jumbo bottle that you were talking about with Hoffman. And I think you talked about it with relation to the Trinity site. The homunculus bottle. Exactly. Now this thing, it seems like somehow you did gain a copy, which the original Serious Rising recordings go back to the 1970s. And there were maybe five of these. And the first one is the interview with Shelby Downard, which Jim Brandon re-released. And I helped him with that in 2018. And that's the one where we included the stuff about CERN. That area, the Trinity site is quite interesting. We'll probably devote a separate presentation to it. But the connection here that I'm making is with the fact that the jumbo bottle was manufactured somewhere on the East Coast, according to Downard, if I remember right. And they had to transport it to New Mexico. And in part, they did that by creating a separate car that was capable. They had to take bridges down because the thing wouldn't fit under certain overpasses. I mean, this was a major construction project. So the fact to even get it there. And this is part of, I think, why Hoffman is so nonplussed or incredulous at these kind of explanations like, well, it was supposed to collect. They were going to detonate one of the explosions in there because the plutonium or uranium or whatever was so scarce that the idea of detonating it inside of this bottle, which is one explanation for it. They were going to detonate a trial explosion in the bottle so that the uranium wouldn't be scattered and irretrievable. But if it didn't go off like they wanted, they could just scoop the uranium back together and try it a second time. That's one explanation that I've read for what this bottle was supposed to do. But the point about any old boat, I don't know that that applies to the obelisk. I'm not sure a person who's more aware of these things would be able to answer that question. It's possible that the obelisk posed engineering challenges from the standpoint of weight or from the standpoint of just sheer dimensions and that in order to get it anyway, it might have been necessary to do that. But when you get into the question of the true engineers and go backward in time, I hate to make it seem like everything I'm doing is hearkening back to Hoffman in this sense. But like he mentioned, the quote, which I was reminded of when he said it from the Talmud, that the world is given 10 measures of sorcery and Egypt got nine of the 10. There's an argument that can be made that Egypt was the fountainhead and that the reason the Kabbalists, the Jewish mystics got into magic was because of their sojourn in Babylon and that Babylon had inherited a lot of the mojo from Egypt for some reason. So you'll recall that as part of their experience with exile, many of the Jews were attacked by Nebuchadnezzar and the Neo-Babylonian Empire. The first temple was destroyed, I think, in 586 or 587. Many of them were taken into captivity in Babylon, at which point they seem to have learned from the Babylonian sorceress. And then one of the two main varieties of the Talmud, there's the Palestinian Talmud or the Jerusalem Talmud, but the more standard reference is the Babylonian Talmud. And its name is partly derived from the fact that they spent such a time there. So now the question was, do I think that those people are sort of the fountain of this? Well, it's possible that they're transmitting a gnosis that was inherited even before that in Egypt. That's one possibility. And in a video that I did on sex magic cults, the question also arises as to whether or not the Eastern traditions like Tantra are separate or whether there's some kind of a complicated interplay. So it's not entirely clear. There is an interview with a Jewish rabbi, Aria Kaplan. And in that interview with, I think it was Russell Barber, Kaplan makes the point that Judaism is an Eastern religion. I'm not pressing that point, mind you, but Kaplan, presumably an expert in certain of these matters, he labeled it that way. So on the question of the wellspring of this stuff, Egypt is a contender, Babylon is a contender, points eastward, so to speak, are contenders. But anyway, I don't want to get too far from a point of interest that you have. So. Well, no, it's just a lot of times we are talking about history, but yet a lot of these events that we see somewhat ritualized are pretty current in the last 50 to 100 years. So who are the people now? Who are the string pullers now? Because they might have this legacy, but it just seems like there's no hint at who they might be. One of the things that I've thought of, and I've got a series of charts where I've kind of mapped this out visually to try to unravel this, because in the video, 10 Mystery Men, which I did, was part of my ambition there was to try to connect some of the dots for myself, because there is a gap. There's a guy named Johann Trothemius, who kind of occurs at the beginning of the Renaissance, I suppose. And you could argue that over the last, let's say, 500 or 600 years, the occult is trying to piece together, re-piece together insights that were lost through the, quote, dark ages. And they accused the church of trying to suppress all this stuff. And there's a whole difficult story there that we could tell. But the idea basically is that there are different streams of occult. So for example, Pico della Mirandola, who we've mentioned several times, was a Renaissance humanist. And his claim to fame, such as it is, or infamy, is that he was the conduit through which the Kabbalah entered into Christianity. There was a guy named Pletho, or Gemistus Plethon, through whom Neoplatonism re-entered the West. Just take a guy like Elipha Levy, who most people realize his main claim to fame was that the tarot deck was associated with the Kabbalah. Then you have people like Helena Blavatsky, who she introduced a kind of an evolutionary understanding to things like Buddhism. She brought Buddhism. She mixed East and West in an important sense. So as you follow the occult, and then Crowley comes into the picture via Gnosticism, via sex magic, his Ordo Templi Orientis that he was a part of. So what I'm seeing is an evolution of occult thinking where the occult thinking that is current, or Ah-Quran, is constantly growing based upon the acquisition of earlier, like Trithemius introduced magic, but he was unaware of, let's say, the tarot deck. So it takes a kind of an evolution, if you like, or a devolution, depending on your point of view, where the occult is constantly, or practitioners thereof, are constantly trying to reacquaint themselves with past streams of information. And so it's ever-increasing, the umbrella of what constitutes the occult. Now, when you say then, who are these people today? Your intuition is final like mine in the sense that there's a sense in which if anybody is going to take the time to try to explore this kind of thing, you either have to be well-heeled, you either have to be independently wealthy, and therefore maybe you're a trust fund baby or something. And in other words, you don't have to work a nine-to-five and do this. Because to riff on Noam Chomsky on so many of the productions that he's been a part of, you have to be a real fanatic, really, I think. And to a certain extent, I'm not bragging about it. I am a fanatic about this kind of thing. I mean, I've probably invested far more time and far more resources and energy, frankly, than what other people would look at it and say, what are you doing? But I really am driven to try to understand what is happening in the world. And the question that you asked about who is it right now that is kind of sitting behind things, I think is a very important one. And at the risk of beating a dead horse, it comes down, I think, to a worldview issue in this sense. So let's say you take a traditional Christian perspective. Well, it's easy to say that, look, the connecting point, the point of continuity is Satan. It's the devil or some kind of demonic spiritual presence in general. In other words, this is the connecting point. It's not like we have to presume that Egyptians are somehow alive today and behind the scenes or that Kabbalists are simply alive and behind the scenes. It's that all of this gnosis, so to speak, derives from, on a Christian point of view, say, a satanic origin. And so it's Satan himself, which is who is the connecting tissue. Now, if you go a different route, Jim Brandon, in his book, Rebirth of Pan, refers to this as the pan force. From your rehearsal of Jake Kotze at the risk of speaking, where I have really very little to go on, it sounds like he might be on kind of a pantheistic or panentheistic wavelength to the extent that he's thought about this. So there's all kinds of explanatory frameworks that can be imposed. But I think what each of these frameworks can possibly do is relieve us of having to suppose that we have to be able to draw a line between Kabbalists in Babylon in the B.C. times and Washington, D.C. today, as if the explanation is that there's somehow a line where one Kabbalist lays hands on another, almost like the Catholic Church, you know what I mean, that anoints bishops or something, and that somehow those unbroken line of Kabbalists have somehow controlled the scenes for the entirety of history. I mean, that strikes me on the face of it as quite a hard sell. But I think rather, if we explain the continuity, because, you know, again, there were gaps in this, and that's what I was trying to gesture toward with Trithemius. There was a period of time where you might think that the West really lost some of this, and it had to come from the East. Pletho was from Constantinople. He came from the Byzantine Empire on the eve of the fall of it, I might add, to the Ottomans. And that gnosis was transmitted back to the West. So the history is very complicated here. But I'm with you. The million dollar, $64 question, however you want to say it, is, can we name names? I wouldn't presume to do that here, but that's driving a lot of my energies for sure. I am with you. And either way, this has been a lot of fun. I feel actually bad because we were supposed to talk about a set of four videos, and you brushed up on them. I obviously have five pages of notes about them, and we didn't even really get to them. We didn't even talk about Scorpius, you know, all kinds of crazy stuff. So maybe a month from now or so, we'll do it again while that stuff is still fresh in your mind and mine, and we'll bring all that stuff out. Because there's a lot of good material. But either way, I am super happy that Michael Hoffman made this introduction and that it came to fruition. Remind the people where they can follow you, give them the links and all that good stuff. So I am brand new on Substack. Gosh, I wish I could tell you what the exact, I guess it's just my name, MatthewJBell.Substack.com. But it's called The Synchromistic, as you already pointed out. And then in addition to that, I do have a YouTube channel, and it's The Space, and then Synchromistic is one word. I'm thinking about adding Rumble onto that, but I don't have that right now. My website is TheSynchromistic.com with no spaces. But I've really shifted to emphasizing the Substack. My problem is the shadow ban stuff, the problems with certain ownership, you know, and the kinds of topics that can and can't be discussed. So it's a real challenge for me. I've had projects in the past just completely tank. I'm not even going to mention some of the URLs for them now. They're still live. But I can't find them. I know the titles and I can't find the stuff. Like, just completely dump down the memory hole there. So those are the projects I've got going on right now. I appreciate you taking a chance on me. And Michael Hoffman, you know, is a dear friend. And I will have to thank him profusely for arranging this. It's been great. It's no surprise nor any skin off my back that we didn't get to the, I mean, that was kind of these kinds of discussions. This is the way that, in a sense, they ought to go. We're tethered. We've got a certain point we start with, but then the conversation just unfolds because we're having a meeting of the minds. And you're reacting to what I'm saying, and I'm reacting to you. And the conversation is just organic. That's the best kind of conversation to have. So it's been a pleasure. I would love to do a follow-up where we could get into the rest of it, or we could do something completely different. However, it turns out, and it would all be a pleasure to me. Heck yeah. Well, thank you again. You were right on the Substack URL. And of course, I'll include the URLs in the show notes, but thanks again for doing it. You know a lot about obscure threads of history and occultism and occult spies we didn't even really talk about, but I appreciate all of it and keep doing what you do and take care. Well, thanks, Greg. I appreciate it. You have a good one. Wow. Wow. Now this is my kind of interview. Loved it. Really had a good time. It checked a lot of the boxes I'm looking for when it comes to something I would set up on the top shelf. We got a guy who is more obscure, who isn't just doing the rounds on his new book. He's got a uniqueness to him. He's clearly thought about these things a lot. We covered a diverse range of subjects. The Four Corners breakdown really got me going, as did the Great Cross of Henday. You know I've had Jay Widener on the show before, and I tried to get in contact with him again, but it doesn't seem to be coming together. And his co-author on that book is no longer with us. So, man, if anyone has Jay's ear, please help me out. Because I only learned about that book through preparing for today's interview, and I'd love to cover it with him. Now I feel like I burned my shot going over his Kubrick stuff, and this is much more unique. Anyway, so much to like in this one, and I've really been looking forward to getting it out because I think some people will be into it as much as me, and that's a beautiful thing. And I do want to get him back to actually talk about the whole show's worth of stuff we didn't cover. You know I like to over-prepare, and that definitely happened today. The rating system will let me know, but I would be very surprised if it wasn't really well-liked. And honestly, several people who were mentioned along the way would make great guests, but some are just far more unlikely than others. Kudos to Matthew, though, for nabbing both the YouTube and Substack monikers for The Synchromistic. That's prime digital real estate, if you ask me. And big thanks to Michael Hoffman for nudging me in this direction. I really like Matthew's take on things like the changing of the calendar and the longitude-latitude system being set up to create these ritual jackpots. If number is so foundational, then you need a grid of numbers over both time and space to play with. And it's not just their system. It's become a universal system, and I do think that consciousness comes into play. So if it's something that all the people on the planet, or a good chunk, put stock in, then that's like throwing fuel on the fire. So you take this hunch about those systems, and you look at the people who created them, and surprise, they have occult interests. So it seems to sync up. Here's a little fun one I found myself in the middle of. So people already occasionally call me Gregorian, or call the stuff I do Gregorian, or hit me with wordplay related to the Gregorian calendar. Sure, fine. It's my name. It's fun. It's better than being called Carl over and over again. But the Gregorian calendar replaced the Julian calendar, and in the Julian system, the first day of the year was March 25th, which is my birthday. Bam! Isn't that something? It's a little more complicated, but let me take this paragraph from Sarah Gibbard Cook, who says, In medieval Europe, the Christian era began on the day the angel Gabriel told Mary she would become pregnant. March 25th, Lady Day. Exactly nine months before Christmas. Split between two years, March counted as the first month on the Julian calendar, then in use. A slight miscalculation of leap years gradually threw that calendar out of sync with nature and the sun. And by 1582, it was ten days off. That year, Pope Gregory reset the calendar to scrap the ten extra days and start the year on January 1st and fine-tune the leap year formula. And of course, there might be other motivations in there, but you get the gist. Now, human nature and politics haven't changed much. Then and now, anything my rival or enemy proposes, I must reject. While Roman Catholic countries promptly adopted the Gregorian calendar, Protestant nations rejected it. Britain and its colonies kept the archaic one until 1752, where March 25th remained the legal first day of the year, while some began to greet the new year informally in January. And then she adds another great point that ties in with so much of the hidden history type stuff we do around here. She says, Imagine historians interpreting English sources from the 1600s. Was a letter dated March 10th, 1668, written before or after one dated November of that year? The 10 or later 11-day difference between England and most of the continent muddied diplomatic correspondence. Imagine George Washington revising his date of birth from February 11th, 1731 under Britain's old calendar to February 22nd, 1732 under the new one. He actually celebrated both birthdays to the end of his life. So just very interesting. Historical things are not as concrete as they're presented a lot of the time, but how weird for me, right? My name and birthday invoked and all that. And with my birthday, right around the corner, I know you're wondering what I would want. And really, all I want is for you to treat yourself to THC+. Every second hour is full of great stuff, usually way more than the first. In today's, we got deeper into who are the big they, sex magic, and it being the apex of secret knowledge in these secret societies, UFO myth-making, the report from Iron Mountain, dissecting the financial sector and the symbolic Saturnian potency of January 6th. Matthew is a master of his domain and it's a good one to come in on. I'll just say that. Also, just wanted to say that if you liked the Gregory Shushan interview from a few months back about indigenous NDEs, his latest book, Near Death Experience in Ancient Civilizations, the Origins of the World's Afterlife Beliefs, is out now. We considered doing another interview, but we pretty much covered that content and I just felt like we'd be repeating ourselves, but I wanted to give the new book a shout out at least if you're into that material. Also, our friends at Gramerica have launched a CBD brand. I told Darren I would shout that out too. It looks like they're committed to quality based on some of the marketing materials and just what I know about the guys, so that's cool. Many of my colleagues around me are opening up new revenue streams and I really need to figure out something myself. I'm doing fine, but there's clearly a lot of other things I could be doing. Producing films, writing a book, maybe some kind of event thing. Who knows? Maybe when the kids get more into school age. I'll have time for that, but good for Gramerica. And the rest of them, really. I like to see people try creative new things. And I hope they all do financially well with those things. Instead, I'm hosting free events with a wizard from Australia. And as a reminder, that is on March 8th at High Springs Brewing in High Springs, Florida. 1230-ish to 5, I think. It's really kind of when the bus arrives in High Springs because we're taking a party bus up there from Tampa. So if you missed the last announcement at the end of the last show, I get it. It's not the best way to tell an audience about something after a one-hour interview or two-hour interview that they may or may not have liked that particular one. But the event at the brewery is free. We're going to be mingling, drinking. We are going to do a talk. So we have an interesting subject worked out. It'll be fun. We just ask that you RSVP on the meetup website so we can set it all up correctly. Hiresidemeetups.com. You know the drill. And then we have a bus that is picking us up from the Tampa Theater at 10 a.m. and bringing everyone back when the event is over. There is drinking and a bathroom on the bus. So it's going to be a good time. If you want to take that debaucherous oversized Uber, it is 75 bucks for the round trip. That's just the cost of the bus. Can't do much about it. But we have barely mentioned that. And I think it's already a third filled up. So when I make a real announcement and put it in the front of the show, I'm sure it's going to sell out. So jump on that if you want to ride with us and you're hearing this now. You can buy a ticket using the link on the listing on the meetup website. So it's all there. And if we keep moving along with the traditional post-show segments here, let's look at the rating of the last episode. The great Sophia Smallstorm coming in with a 4.1. Damn. A little disappointing. I did think that it was going to be better than that. And I will acknowledge we went a bit deep on the history of the avocado when the point was that it was a well-connected PR firm that made it popular. That's what I was trying to get across. And then the cartel stuff I also found really interesting too. But it's a bit of a bummer. I thought the plus show was better when we got to talk a little bit about Sandy Hook. That's how I discovered her research initially. And she also mentioned the forbidden word Holocaust. But what are you going to do? These are plus membranes. So I just have to say it is what it is. And I hope we bounce back with this one. I have seen some commenters saying that they're going to be more harsh with their ratings because they want the spread to be a bit more diverse. And I get that too. Maybe some people were just dropping fours and fives every week. And now they're being a bit more picky because they want the variants to show up. Maybe that's a small part of it. Look, I'm not trying to just make excuses. So I will accept it. Oh, poor Sophia. All right. Over to the meetup calendar. February 10th. That is today. Santa Fe, New Mexico. A Cava meet and greet. I had Cava once. It was not so bad. February 15th. We got the H2 booster meetup in the Netherlands. February 21st. Canyon Lake, Texas. River Rose Tavern. That's a new one on the list. February 22nd. Hops on tap in Portland, Oregon. March 8th. That's the big one. High Springs Brewing. High Springs, Florida. Me and Gordon. The higher soup hangout. And then someone put one on here for June 1st. I don't know if they fucked that up or they just want me to be saying it over and over again for many months. But Hot Dogs and Hope at Heartland Harbor in Huntington, Indiana. Okay. Great. Well, I hope you're interested in the prospect of making a listening experience something real world. And I hope you're going to these if they're around you or setting them up if they're not. Fun and free ways to expand your network. And I hope to see you in High Springs. But that is the show. Matthew J. Bell takes the square. Let me know if you want us to run it back. I think we got some good stuff to cover, but you will let me know. Thanks for listening. Thanks for the support and for keeping my little dream alive. Eight bucks at a time. I'm out of here. I've done my part. Your move. Synchromystic psyops, string pullers, sorcerarchy, agenda drivers, and conspiratorial tapestry engineers. Your fucking move. Is it accidental? How things end up? Or is life ritually planned? Right from the jump? Taking so much however you tend to Craigie. dominated. wasn't ititable? wasn't it itads? 2 3 4 5 5 6 6 7 7 10 7 6 7 8 8 8 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9. como 2 9 1 9 9 10 9 9 9 10 10 9 10 9 10 9 10 7 9 9 9 10 9. 9 10 9 9 10 10 10 9 9 9 10 9 11 9 9 10 9 9. 10 10 10 11 11 9 6 7