Monica Perez | L.A. Fire Aftermath, Jim Keith, Whistleblowers, & Trumpnocracy

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And their lessons learned have been implemented all across society, from the school system structure, marketing strategies, and the ways media narratives are crafted, to the development of video games, social media platforms, and smartphone software. It's been going on at such a high level, and for so long, it's a wonder that a person living in the modern age stands any chance at all of having a free thought. And after decades of frustration with political gridlock, government waste and abuse, a revolving door of regulatory capture, and empty promises, we're being told that something is finally being done about at all. But knowing what we know about the history of false messiahs, political propaganda, and the art of steering culture and capturing minds, it would be very naive to take much of what's going on at face value. Instead, it looks like America is getting a Silicon Valley, billionaire-driven software upgrade that winds down the old, outdated structures and streamlines everything they know and want about controlling a population in a more efficient, digital, and further centralized system. Well, if you spend any time listening to today's guest, Monica Perez, you know this all too well, as she covers not only current events and political machinations regularly on the Monica Perez Show, but she also does detailed, lengthy, multi-part presentations going over great and insightful books like Jim Keith's Mass Control, Engineering Human Consciousness, and Thomas Neal's Makers of the Modern Mind, providing context for the long road that got us here and reminding the audience not to trust anything coming from the drivers of the big machine. Before the Monica Perez Show became a podcast, it was a radio show on WSB Radio in Atlanta for over eight years. Before that, Monica was an investment banker in New York and Texas, and from that previous life, she holds a bachelor's degree from Harvard and a JD MBA from Stanford. She is a chartered financial analyst as well as a member of the Bar of the State of New York. And I barely know what that means, but you can find her current work at MonicaPerezShow.com, and I know I'm ready, the propaganda reporter, conspiratorial podcaster, and wise woman for worrisome times. Monica, welcome to the higher side. Thank you so much, Greg. I cannot believe that I have one of those of my own now. I'm so excited. Yeah, well, it is long overdue. You were kind enough to have me on the propaganda report back when you were doing that show. We talk from time to time. I've taken a few guest recommendations that you sent my way, but I'm glad we could make this happen. There were a couple different catalysts, but one of them is that your neighborhood was basically wiped out in the recent LA fires. And I know every interview you do now starts with another host asking for an update on how things are going. But I've heard you say there are like 9,000 homes gone. Yours was damaged but spared. And you've had to become a bit of an expert in measuring air quality and this sort of stuff. I'm curious what your thoughts are on the cause of the fires, where the reporting didn't exactly match the on-the-ground reality, and really what you've learned now using these air quality meters as often as you have. I know. That was such a crazy experience, and it's going to be like this for years. There's still nothing but rubble everywhere. And there were many things that contributed to the fact that our house survived. I guess firefighters had come. I don't even think they sprayed water on it. I think they just pushed the fence away from it. Well, you have degrees from Harvard and Stanford, so of course they glossed over your house. Oh, that's the thing. Right. So now I'm Oprah. So the firefighters were saying, we asked, like, what started it? And they were saying fire bug. People were saying it was electrical. They had turned our power off at 3.30 in the afternoon, and the fire didn't start till 6.30. So none of us believed that. So when she said fire bug, we believed that. But the winds were so strong, and we knew it started up in the canyon. I don't know how anyone could even stand up there. And also, when you look at where it started, the power lines are intact. They didn't fall to the ground. So how could it have started? But the problem, even with turning off residential lines, is electricity has to go somewhere. It doesn't just stop because you turn it off. So it caused a surge that went over those mountains. Those big power lines then had this power surge. So there were a lot of decision points. You could say it's nefarious or not, but there were decisions. That was one of them. And you look at the mountains, and you think, all they had to do, and they were on notice to do it, was clear the brush under the power lines, which is exactly where it started. And then they were underway of creating some kind of advanced technology that can mitigate those surges. It was supposed to be done in June. So you can identify the decision points that made this happen. I believe that the arsonists, which they did show people starting fires, you know, I think that was a little bit of the psyop, because when I really thought for sure that the powers that be caused this kind of destruction, and there was nothing we could do about it, I felt very demoralized. And as I've allowed doubt to creep into that, although it circled back once I realized decision after citizen was made, I would rather be tossed around by fate than targeted. For this kind of destruction by my own tax dollars. Well, yeah, of course. And I imagine you put a little stock in the premise that this was a play to create Smart LA 2.0, take out the old infrastructure, bring in the new. I mean, it kind of coincides with an announcement of doing exactly that kind of thing. Oh, yeah. And you can see the guys, I don't know who it was, just some talking head on a national news show saying, Altadena, which nobody ever heard of before. But I have to say, when I moved here, I used to say it's like being in a time machine. It has such a nice history. It has bigger houses, smaller houses. It was kind of a refuge for Blacks and artists in the 70s when the LA cops were nuts. It was just a little bit far away from the city, so it was cheaper. It was in the mountains. And it was very American. There were Hispanic, Black, white, whatever. But I'm just saying, it was a kind of melting pot where there were several generations. People would live in this house next to their mothers, whatever. And when I first came here, and it was so neighborly, I thought, how are they going to wreck this? Like, they're going to put a billboard in Shanghai or something. Move to Altadene. Like, they're just going to do something to wreck it. So this guy is saying, Altadene is the perfect place to, like, build massive, affordable housing, condos, multi-use, whatever. Which, of course, if you listen to Rosa Quarry, they'll do that. They'll subsidize it. And then they'll pull out the subsidies so you have slums. And otherwise, some of this neighborhood is lower middle class. Some of this upper middle class. You could afford to live side by side with people with bigger houses in the same nice little town. But for me, like, when I think about that, and the Palisades Fire started at the same time. So these are two places on the outskirts, which did have some really historic neighborhoods and places that, sure, you'd like to get rid of them. And how else are you going to do it? Even, like, old-time renters who could never come back. But I feel like I can just see a RAND document. You know, I don't have it. But my guess is there's one out there that says we're not going to go out of our way for fire mitigation or whatever, because sometimes it's better to just clear that stuff out, or there's insurance coverage, or we have evacuation perfection. And every once in a while, they stumble upon something like that. And I feel like that's kind of the baseline policy. And when we left, it was very windy. But we did see the fire engines at the bottom of the hill, like, not fighting with fire. And everybody abandoned their homes. Some people probably could have saved them. It would have been risky. But nobody who left basically did. Well, really tough stuff. And I understand since you've been back, you're messing with the air quality meters. Obviously, you have to monitor that kind of stuff. I just did an interview with Alana Freeland, who is all about really advanced technology and geoengineering and that kind of stuff. And sometimes, even though I host a conspiracy show, I'm like, look, I can't worry about things I can't see all that much. Like, I got now, like, the grounding mats, because grounding's important. And then there's areas outside where I'm like, okay, well, does my patio ground or do I have to be on the ground ground? Where's my grounding thing? It doesn't even register right. I got EMF meters because I want to make sure my kids can sleep at night. I have my Wi-Fi off. But what other signals are getting in? And air quality tests. It can be a rabbit hole. It can be an obsession because it's just like these numbers, you know, you always want the lower number. But what do you think? You've used this now for a little bit. Is the air quality going up and down, I assume? Like, is anything making a difference for you? Well, I try not to fall for there are trillions of invisible monsters everywhere trying to kill us all. So, yeah, whether it's germ theory or CO2, you could say this actually comes from I listened to an episode of your Cognitive Dissidence podcast, which I really enjoyed. And those guys are the best. Right. And one of your co-hosts was talking about a conversation he had with Jacob Norengard, who is a previous guest of mine. And that was what came up. They said time and time again, it's this invisible thing. And it used to be germs and then it was radiation. And it's not that radiation isn't dangerous, but the nuclear winter thing, it definitely got scaled up using the models. It's always about the models, right? The models that don't match reality. But then, yes, CO2 and now smart dust and nanoparticles. Just like, what am I supposed to do here? I can control what I can control, but I'm not going to be black billed and I'm not going to live in a world where I just feel like I should off myself yesterday. Yeah, I came to the conclusion that there's like four things we know will kill you and stress is one of them. And my mother lived to 95. She died last year. She was totally fine until 36 hours before she died. And I just used to do what she did. You know, she didn't consume a lot. She didn't adopt the latest technology. She was a microwave, whatever. But she was just kind of cheap. She was Irish and she just, I would ask her stuff too. Like, Ma, do you take Benadryl? She's like, I love it. Somebody, I'm taking Benadryl. So thank God I got all my questions answered. But she just tried to use common sense about stuff like that. And that's how I'm approaching it. And so I'm really still one of the only people. There's about 10 houses in this little oasis. So there's a blast zone of 9,000 houses. And there's this little finger that sticks up. And my house and my neighbors, when I say like the people I gave Christmas cards to, like, we're this little vanguard. So there's so many things that went into that. But some of it is definitely miracle. Definitely my mother. So like one month before the fire, and I was talking about this a lot on my show. I was laughing about him and stuff. I adopted this fucking schizo dog. And the point was, I had a big yard with a big fence and no other dogs or whatever. And he was on death row. And he was astray. And his teeth were broken. And like, I can handle it. Oh, my gosh. It was crazy. And we've got bunnies. And I just, to try to get a place. And my house was still standing. So we didn't get an Airbnb. I had to come back. And it was full of ash. It really smelled. And so a neighbor sent us a text that said, don't lose your mind. You don't need to test everything for arsenic and lead and particles, particulates travel together. So if you control the particulates, you can't have an excess amount of arsenic if you don't have an excess amount of particulates. And the particulates they suggested measuring was PM 2.5. That's like a sigh. Because we had to come back. And we still are not allowed to use hot water because they're supposedly benzene. But I had a great listener. I know you get a lot out of your listening community. And I was like, oh, I got to ask Joe Tundra. I said, there's benzene in my water. And he said, well, can you smell it? And I said, no. He said, well, when you pump gas, you can smell it. Like, that's benzene getting up your nose. Don't drink it. But don't lose your mind. And so the way to do it, and you can trust your nose. If you can smell something, there's something in the air. It's not always toxic. But if you can't smell anything, there's less in the air. We got these $150 air monitors just from Amazon. And you could see if you were cleaning, even when you're cooking, when they came to roll up the rugs, the levels would be high. The highest level I got was blow drying my hair. So the way to do it is you can't sweep or anything. You have to use wet washcloths or clods, towels, whatever. So, I mean, it took forever to get on ladders and stuff. Any kind of molding, the ceiling, on the floor, piles of ash. I started with a mask, and then it's like, I can't. I need to breathe, which is probably stupid. But we went through and did all that. And we got four, you know, maybe three-foot-high air purifiers. And you could really tell when you ran that. So when you're cleaning, it goes up. I used a lot of vinegar and water, baking soda, stuff like that. And when it goes up, you start running those things, you can see the numbers go down. So now my air is like always in the green, like sometimes has zero. But my message is like you can control it, and you can measure it yourself. Right. And I've said a bunch of times, the only thing more shocking than the amount of toxins we have thrown at us every day is our ability to live pretty normal lives despite that. And this show definitely can get me very paranoid interviewing a journalist about glyphosate, interviewing someone else about geoengineering. Every day I'm coming out to my wife being like, we got to make this giant change or we're all going to die in this house. So yeah, stress, as you say, it's a huge thing. My mom as well is getting into her mid-80s, and she has a great attitude and drinks every day. And, you know, it's just like... That's a stress reducer. Yeah, part of it is attitude, and it's hard to alter your personality and not be scared of things, but it's probably the best work you can do on yourself. I mean, I am a little worried, and I'm going to do detox stuff, and I try to like, you know, sweat, go for a walk. So I'm not being reckless, but I have to live in the world, and I also find it too disempowering. Yeah. So another big catalyst for doing this was that you've done a couple of these deep dives, 10-part, 10-hour-long series going into some books, some that I really like. Makers of the Modern Mind is a book that just got recommended to me several times right before I saw your series. It seemed like a synchronicity, but I want to talk more about Mass Control Engineering Human Consciousness by Jim Keith. This is one I have actually read. It's been many years, but it is a great book that lays out many of the ways that we are manipulated and covers a few studies that have been done, controlling the collective mind with the new sphere stuff, MKUltra, PSYOPs, pretty good foundational book for this sort of thing, and understanding that so much of what a person sees in the culture and the direction of culture and politics, none of it is truly organic. It has been think-tanked to death and then weaponized for the best result for the system. And this book lays all that out, wouldn't you say? Yes, he was really ahead of his time. And he died in 1999, and it could be suspicious, I don't know, blood clot from a knee surgery that he got for an injury at Burning Man. He was definitely an interesting character. But from beginning to end, I really like the way this book is laid out. It's the second version of a book that's similar title, but he changed the title of it. And what I like about it is, it's very well documented, especially up to the point where like in the 70s, when they had those exposés, you're like, oh, they had the Commission on Assassinations, they had the Church Committee and all of these things that exposed Operation Mockingbird and everything. Well, it didn't, of course, did not stop anything, but it just pushed it all underground. So the documentation kind of stopped after that. And that's when his book gets a little bit speculative, talking to people like maybe you and I would talk to, and you've just got to assess whether they're telling the truth or not. But prior to that, there's a lot of documentation about these human experiments. But what I like is in the beginning, he lays out the foundation, the kind of philosophical transformation that had to take place for us to get to the point where our governments or, you know, it was really the government paid for it or the think tanks or the defense senators or whatever is associated with government, pay for these inhumane, you know, abominable studies on human beings and, of course, like continue to employ these methods that they learned. And he starts out talking about the philosophical ship that took place, like at the end of the 19th, the beginning of the 20th century. And actually, when I picked these two books side by side to read, I did not realize until I read Makers of the Modern Mind basically twice to get from the pre-modern mind, like the Renaissance or whatever, the beginning of the modernity, to that book was written in 1958. It kind of ends with Dewey in the early 20th century. But along the way, they go through different transitions, but basically goes from even pursuing knowledge in the Renaissance was kind of done for the greater glory of God. And as it moved through these stages, some of these Makers of the Modern Mind kind of exalt man, some diminish him, they bring exalt science or reject it. It's kind of funny, the ad and flow of the Makers of the Modern Mind, like the actual progress of this, how our modern mind has resulted. But it opened up the door for exalting science for Freud, that we're basically have animal urges and stuff, like to think of man as an animal, to use experimental methods. And you really wouldn't have had that in a pre-modern situation, maybe longer ago than that. And then the other thing I liked about the book is how at the end, he absolutely anticipates, I think he identifies the internet and says how it's going to lead to censorship, surveillance, brainwashing, all of that. So he was just a genius. So if he wasn't murdered, I'd be surprised. If he wasn't murdered, he would have had to have been. Yeah, yeah. It's one of those guys that I wish he could have seen a 9-11 because he was already kind of on this page. And I believe that that book or the other, the precursor, was one of the first books I ever read that got into occult tools of control and the idea of electromagnetic frequencies as a way to alter or control thoughts. This was a book I remember bringing to school. I was such a little just shit disturber, I guess. But I would do these things where you couldn't really get in trouble, but yet you were causing a disturbance. And just simply reading a book, Mass Control Engineering Human Consciousness, was enough to get, I got a rise out of it, getting a rise out of the teachers. And that's being a smart ass. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I was like that. You can't really get in trouble, but, and they kind of, I mean, I don't know about you, but sometimes they like kids like that if you've got enough charm. I was not very charming, but I was a good arguer. So I just would do stuff like that. Well, what about this? Fair enough. For me, the charm came much later, but are you aware of Jim Keith's other work? Because The Gemstone File is a really good book that goes deep into the Kennedys and the mafia, but also Jackie Onassis's father, Aristotle Onassis, and some of the gangsterism he was involved in. It's pretty wild. I recently interviewed this guy, Matthew J. Bell, and his work on that was supposed to be part of the interview, but it never made it in because we just kept talking and talking. And it was interesting to me because he has this thing framed as 10 strange islands in the Mediterranean. And one of these islands is called Scorpios. And the claim about Aristotle Onassis is that number one, he was the driving force behind JFK's election and assassination, according to this book by Jim Keith. But the biggest claim is that, and I'll just quote Wikipedia here, but Onassis had Howard Hughes kidnapped from his Beverly Hills hotel bungalow and that Hughes suffered a massive brain injury during the forcible kidnapping and that Hughes was subsequently a virtual prisoner of Onassis on the island of Scorpios and injected regularly with morphine while Onassis took over the operation of Hughes considerable financial affairs, including airlines and U.S. defense contracting. Pretty wild claim. Pretty bold thing to just take a billionaire, kidnap him, put him on this island in the Mediterranean and keep him drugged but alive and then take over his whole business. Very wild. I have the gemstone file and I love Jim Keith. So I wanted to read it and I found it difficult to read. I found it like not narrative enough for me. So did you read it? I've read excerpts of it. Yeah, it's a little choppy. So the Onassis thing, Jackie might have married him just because he was super, super rich, but he might have had those nefarious activities. But I will say that story explains something to me, which is Howard Hughes did have this empire, had multiple businesses. So he was in film, he was in the airlines, but he was supposedly really nuts, like a germaphobe who never washed. You know, this is strange stuff to me and it doesn't ring true. There has to be something we don't know, which reminds me of Elon Musk, who supposedly runs five of the biggest companies in the world and seems like his full-time job is shit talking. And as an investment banker, I used to, it was a long time ago, but the companies were very small and the CEOs were totally immersed in their company. I mean, a very small company, a guy who makes brushes, a guy who makes batteries. They didn't even have time to look you in the eye. Much less to run four other companies a hundred times the size and break laws and whatever. So when you see somebody who supposedly is running a big company and they're spending a lot of their time doing something else or they make stupid decisions or they say stupid things, I feel like there's something missing in the story. Yes, I agree. And I also think it's really weird that if you look at pictures, compilations, montages of Elon's mom, it's pretty clear she's into some really occult-y stuff. And it's like, they said the same thing about the Kardashians' grandmother. And, you know, is the occult real? Does magic work? You look at these people who have someone in their lineage who's involved in this and suddenly their offspring is exalted to the highest levels of culture and technology and finance. And I mean, if it walks like a duck and all that, it's pretty interesting stuff. Two things I want to say about that. One is, this was absolutely new to me. I was on a Canadian Union of the Unwanted and the host, Freedom Convo, on Sunday sent me, ahead of time, a link to a wiki article on Technocracy Incorporated. Have you ever heard of this? It rings a bell, actually. But remind me. It's a social movement from the 30s, which favored technocracy as a system of government over representative democracy and partisan politics. It wanted to replace politicians and business people with scientists and engineers. OK, so that sounds a little bit like what we're getting now. Listen to this. Speaking of Elon Musk's mother, on October 7th, 1940, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police arrested members of Technocracy Incorporated, charging them with belonging to an illegal organization, including Joshua Haldeman, a chiropractor and former director of Technocracy Incorporated and the maternal grandfather of Elon Musk. So his mother, who you're talking about, her father, was part of this organization, which I would say is coming to fruition right now. But I also want to answer the occult question. I have a lot of bookstack here on Aleister Crowley. I'm in the Pasadena area. I've lived in Pasadena. If you ever get into any of that, Jack Parsons, whatever. There's a huge building, Parsons. When I was staying in an Airbnb during this remediation, I was diagonally across the street from the Planetary Society, which is the Carl Sagan thing. The Theosophical Society, I think, lost one of its libraries up here. It's really a hotbed for that kind of stuff. It actually creeps me out. A lot of Scientology activity. And pulling on those threads, you often get to military intelligence. Same thing with science fiction, right? It's all like mushes together. Defense, tech, military intelligence, all of this science fiction and this occultism. So Jack Parsons blew himself up. Maybe it was an occult thing. Maybe it's because he was Rocketman. I don't know. He seems to have believed, like some of these people think they believe that they're conjuring something. If you listen to Son of Sam, I think he was conjuring demons, that guy. I have a conflict between whether it's that, similar to the power of prayer. Like, are you affecting the actual interdimensional continuum? Or are you doing it to yourself? Is it the power of positive thinking? Does it change how you act? And with those people, that occult thing, you can't deny that a big part of the power is in having people believe that they do have that kind of power. And that's what I think what people call revelation of the method. What I really think that is, is like when Babe Ruth points to where he's going to hit that homer, if Klaus Schwab is obviously a face job, but I mean, a hideous face job, but whatever. If you tell your buddies, look where I'm going to hit this home run, and you do it publicly, you actually place the bet, and then you do it, he knows you have real power. And I think same thing with not just the predictive programming and stuff, but the occultism. Maybe it's real, but I would say the major part of the power is in its effect on the minions. Yeah, I just interviewed somebody who said that occult magic is really just occult neuroscience before there was technology. It is perception management, and you can get a lot done just by appearing to be a Crowley-esque type of person and appearing to have more power than you do. But that's a side issue from the fact that Elon is the richest person on the planet, and his mom was doing this shit. But I did want to ask you more about the finance stuff, because I didn't realize that that was such a big part of your background, and I'm curious what your thoughts are on the state of the economic system today. Do you see them trying to make a transition to digital assets? Do you see an unadvertised purpose to the recently announced Sovereign Wealth Fund? Talk to us about your read on things going on in financial areas. Well, we have well over $30 trillion of national debt, so that is what I say is a problem that cannot be solved within the existing paradigm. So we're never paying it back. They're not trying to pay it back. Interest rates are going up, which means not only are you not paying the debt back, but your deficits are going to go up even if you don't increase spending. Just because a lot of that was borrowed under a zero interest rate scenario, and now if interest rates go up to 5%, I mean, it's like an infinite increase, hundreds of billions of dollars more that you're paying in interest that you're not paying in just regular government spending that you weren't paying before. So there's a real problem. So we had a debt collapse 20 years ago, whatever. And I feel like COVID, they spent so much time trying to dig their way out of that debt collapse. So a debt collapse is when so many big companies, whatever, go bankrupt. And since our money is a debt-based currency, there's like real value loss. You can't function. So just so much money actually evaporates. So what they do is they inflate the money supply so that that guy can pay his loans back in funny money, in money that is worth much, much less than it was before, but he doesn't have to declare bankruptcy, which hurts himself. Like, I think it's a way to prop those guys up. As much as they tried to inflate, they still had zero interest rates and stuff. And I remember saying in 2019, like, how are they going to get out of this hole? They're at 2% interest rates. They're 11 years into an expansion. When these guys have built up too much inventory, when you normally have a recession, their Keynesian system requires that they reduce interest rates, but there just isn't enough wiggle room there. They need like 5%. What are they going to do to drop interest rates further and inflate the money supply? And then you got COVID. And there are a lot of reasons for it. But in my mind, the reason for the timing of COVID was to really inflate the money supply. And that was under Trump's watch, because according to my contrary law of democracy, you are never getting what you don't want from the other side. You're only getting what you don't want from your side. Otherwise, you would activate. I mean, if Hillary Clinton created a state of emergency that made us all locked down, there would have been 4 million long guns on the mall in Washington. So he brought us that inflation. And then I think his job was like a 12-year job. So they put Biden in there, probably for one reason, to kind of get Gaza going and to get Ukraine. And so now we have this big inflation. Inflation is coming. And it's here. It's going to continue. And they're trying to tell us that they are cutting government left and right. Right. So like you hear this Doge thing, Department of Government Efficiency. And the question people ask me is like, what do you think of all these cuts in government? Are you happy that he's shrinking the size of government? And my answer is, all I see is he's firing a bunch of middle managers who are probably minding the store in a way. And this makes me wonder if this is why the liberals all got the vax. Liberals believe in government. They're keeping it going, right? I mean, maybe I shouldn't generalize people, but I'm just saying, if they want to centralize power, and these people have probably all been training their own AI replacements for years, if they want to do that, they can get in there, gut all this, automate it. And then there's nobody there to balk. There's no potential whistleblowers. And if you think vaxed people are going to die sooner or whatever, maybe that bubble has passed. I don't know. But like the communists, they hated the true believers more than anything. So I'm looking at the budget. The Republicans have a budget proposal. And any place you listen, read Wall Street Journal, New York Times, listen to the news, it'll say it includes $2 trillion of cuts. And it's somewhat offset by a few hundred billion of raises and defense and border spending, stuff like that. It's over 10 years, first of all. So you're talking about $150 billion a year, which is not a lot, given that you have a $7.5 trillion budget. And if I understand correctly, and I've looked at this before, but nobody really spills it out. So you've got to try to figure it out. It's a cut against what it otherwise would be. So the budget is still going up. You're still going to have $7.5 trillion, $8 trillion, $8.5 trillion, whatever. It's not even keeping up with the increase in the interest rates. It's not even keeping up with inflation. This is not shrinking the size of government. And when you look at it by the numbers like that, it becomes pretty clear that they're just reshaping government in a way that, granted, it was a setup to have legislation, like actual mechanisms for action government control, like a legislative body in the executive branch. There's no mechanism for that in the Constitution. There shouldn't be all these regulatory bodies. They certainly shouldn't be controlled by the executive branch. And here's that comeuppance, which is they can just go in and do what they want. I mean, I have some comments about that, but they can do what they want and they're doing it, but they're not giving up that power. I feel like they're centralizing it and automating it and they will have more control. I think that's a great breakdown. And obviously, the conversations about AI are kind of nauseating. It's all anyone talks about. But, you know, again, on that cognitive dissidence show you do, one of your co-hosts was talking about the idea that maybe the internet itself was put out there to allow for us to run wild for a couple of decades to train AI about what is a human like, like we're plugged into its system, the digitizing of all human culture, art, literature, everything from the past. There's no way AI can read that stuff unless it's digitized and put into the system. So, when you think about their mindset and how big a deal this is to them, a centralized control system run by a computer like Hal or something, yeah, this is something that puts us on that path. And I even thought about the United Healthcare shooting with that Luigi guy. Why that company? Well, the story is that he was using AI and it was denying all these claims, like 95% of its claims. I feel like that just put AI control of big systems in the zeitgeist. And now when something happens, like you mentioned the Trump team cutting half the staff of the HUD disaster recovery office, that's one of like a thousand offices that are just getting shredded. It's like now when people hear that like disaster relief, it's so adjacent to insurance, like here's claims and we're going to have AI just deny all the claims. It's already set up for you to understand, well, this is kind of how it goes with the AI, you know, denying false claims or it's just kind of crazy. And it's funny that with the USAID stuff, Elon's cutting 20,000 here and 80,000 there. It's like, that's pennies to the government budget. I don't see him cutting any of the money that he gets for his companies. I've heard that is estimated to be like $50 billion. So here's a guy who's like, well, we can't fund these condoms going to Zimbabwe, but we're going to Mars. Well, I mean, I don't think we need to do either really, but at least maybe one is actually affects human lives and the other one might not even be possible to do and will cost 10 times as much money. It's really crazy. And he's always talked about wanting to have X be a payment platform. He comes from PayPal, PayPal mafia stuff. What if this Doge refund he's suggesting has to come through X and he's already got, he did the thing with the social security numbers. He's like, the whole story is, well, people over a hundred are still collecting check. Well, the subtext of that is you got into a computer system that has literally every American social security number and their age and how much money they're getting. That to me is the real story. You're giving that power to the guy who wants to build this digital technocracy. And I would not be surprised if that Doge refund, which, as you mentioned, the giant debt, how can you give a trillion dollar refund check when we're so many trillions in debt? Whatever. I mean, I'll take a check. But the point is, it probably will have to come in a digital form and probably come through Doge. And it'll be funny because it'll be, I could see a scenario because they're doing a good thing with good cop, bad cop with Elon and Trump. They just sent out this email and now Trump can be like, Hey, maybe he went a little bit too far here. Like Trump doesn't really have to do anything. Elon is doing everything. And then imagine that the courts say, well, you can't send this check out. We have to stop this progress. Now you've got them looking like they're trying to save everybody. And the courts are the ones denying you your $5,000 check. I just see this all set up in such a way that it's going to keep making them look like the good guys, but they are just clearing out legacy systems and installing streamlined digital ones. I agree. And I would go probably a little bit deeper on Elon. And as far as USAID goes, I don't even think they're really cutting the budget. I think they're kind of moving it over to the US International Development Fund, like something very similar who they're giving to Leon Black's son. And yeah, I had a question about that because you tweeted about that and I don't really know who he is. Tell people about that. Well, Leon Black, if I'm not mistaken, I think he was the guy who ran Apollo, which bought WSP. I'm like, I got fired the next day, which obviously doesn't care about me. But the radio station I had was family owned thing and Apollo was buying these things up. And by coincidence, we were really hitting the Jeffrey Epstein story. And he later stood down from his running Apollo because of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. So he's part of that ruling elite and not somebody who's going to tolerate this kind of rogue, whatever, and probably just buys up radio stations for that reason. That's why they always buy the newspapers and the websites. It's just like, OK, you can talk about anything you want except me and my people. And that's really the goal. I mean, they've been doing it since the days of Rockefellers and Rothschilds. I think Teal bankrolled Hulk Hogan, who was on the RNC, and they brought down Gawker. So that just makes me think like Kennedy getting a bullet in the head. You know what? You could find things that are wrong with that person or that organization. But when they're taking you out, you were probably doing something right. So the point of my tweet was that the USAID, everybody's focusing on all the things they do. It's always been a CIA front that the Tamerlan Sarnia's uncle, Ruslan, ran a USAID office. But he was the Boston Marathon bomber out of Graham Fuller's basement because he was married to her daughter. And he was the head of the CIA in Afghanistan. So the USAID stuff, it's just a CIA cutout. And what they do with the money is they go to the ground in the countries and they get organizations and people and pay them because of their political potential. So you get the hearts and minds and they change the politics. That's what it's there for. It looks like it's charitable hate, but it's really just all political. It's influence. It's your buying influence. And I was reminded from No Agenda that the legendary book Economic Hitman by John Perkins, he is calling out USAID as the mechanism. You go in with the money and then you also go in with this thing where you're giving them huge loans for infrastructure, loans they can never pay back. And then when they default on the loans, you're like, OK, well, then we just need you to vote this way on the next UN vote. Or we need you to do this or we need you to give over your oil fields to one of our companies. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But that economic hitman stuff, the first step of it is getting your foot in the door, getting your money into a country with USAID. It's kind of interesting that that book was written in the mid 90s. And finally, that term is reaching the zeitgeist again. And look at what these guys get to do. Trump and Elon, they get to go in with a laundry list of like transgender surgeries in Peru, like stuff that who really wants to be paying for that? And they get to be the hero closing it down. But this money, I'm not getting a tax refund because of this money. By the way, I think that the number one thing you would do to fix this country and shrink government is have a balanced budget, not only to reduce spending, but because people don't realize how much we're spending. And if you were taxing people to the tune of what, so I'm in California, it's like 50% is not a crazy amount of money to get taxed. It would be 65%. And then people would start breaking out. So, you know, I could do the numbers. They say, yes, it is. They're cutting it by $5 million. Like, I don't know. But the function is going to transfer to somebody else. Like, I always think the CIA gets lots of attention now because it isn't an ideal system. You have to go to Congress to get the money for CIA operations. But the NSA gets a blank check. So put all the important stuff in the NSA, hang CIA out to dry. That's how I think they do these things. And it gives them tons of credibility. It's unbelievable. But with Elon, you could look at it like it's his personal interest and he wants to go to Mars and it's his money, whatever. In my opinion, I don't know how much money he has. I don't know if he decided to take $5 billion or $50 billion and buy every newspaper and liberate information and change his stripes. There's absolutely no way he would be able to do that. Like, not just get shot in the head, but I'm sure he doesn't have the access to the money in that way. And it's my opinion that all of those companies, Starlink, the boring company, which is going to build the tunnels, all of these companies are really just defense industry. They're government companies that are made, that are, you know, the defense technology continuum, which why they're all in California, it's like the same thing. They know that's how they're reshaping the world. And they know because of the American cast of mind that they aren't going to be able to do it as a top-down technocracy openly. They can barely do it as public-private stuff, which they try to push that. They try to act like that's a libertarian thing. They're like, are you private companies more efficient? I'm like, if you can't do what your job is as government, it's not your job. It's like why I read these books. It's like, you know what? I'm a voter and we have an empire. I can't do that. Like, I can't figure that out. That's outside the scope. And if I can't get up to speed on, you know, civics, then you are exceeding your scope. So it's not even a public-private thing. They act like it's a private company that Elon is running. And I just don't believe it. To me, all that stuff is just government stuff. And yes, you'll have two big things will be fostered here. I think one is, yeah, if you're going to give people a check, they did that before. It's like the withholding tax. We can switch your taxation to withholding tax. You don't have to pay tax this year. Do they get you to sign up for an app? Absolutely. I went to a Starbucks the other day and there was nobody there to take my order. I had to download the app to order it. They wouldn't even talk to me. They acted like I didn't exist. You can't talk to them. It's like Bob Dylan. You can't look them in the eye. I also think, and I'm not sure they're going to actually do it, but if you did go and cut real stuff that people depend on, like whatever it would be, Social Security or Medicare or Medicaid, if you're really causing pain, and again, I think they always look at past examples. They don't reinvent the wheel at all. You can look at just not that long ago, the European bond crisis, which got all those countries to adopt austerity. And I think that's what Millet and Argentina is about, like this libertarian face on a top down requirement for austerity, probably from the bankers who will just refinance the debt. They won't forgive it. But that's what they were doing in Europe. And there's a lot of people, like 30-year-old PhD students who have absolutely never had any expectation of having to make a widget or do something other than write their politically correct papers and get paid for them and go to school forever, whatever, and ultimately teach school. So all those people were taken to the streets. It was big, like the 28-year-old student was a big protester there. And if you have people who are really affected by the cuts, I think you can get the kind of civil unrest I think they are looking for or at least want to have in their back pocket. And I think they could easily reactivate, and I don't know where it's been lately, but reactivate pro-Palestinian protests, but you could really get like a 60s on steroids kind of domestic unrest. And of course, if you get that, you are going to be able to implement surveillance, censorship, biometrics, especially if you have a North American Union thing where they're going to say, well, we've got all this fluidity across the borders. We need the biometrics. We need interoperability of the army. And of course, you have that. But then you have Mexicans are able to put down uprisings in Texas, that kind of thing. Right. Yeah. Good points. And with Canada becoming the 51st state, like that's one of those things that sounds silly. It's presented as this goofy thing, but we were on high alert a few years ago about the consolidation plan for a North American Union with Canada and Mexico. And now it's actually being talked about based on your conversation with the Grimerica guys. It seems like they think it could actually happen. But putting pressure on Canada and Mexico with tariffs to send 10,000 troops to the border, you could see that being an operation and them working together, blurring the lines between borders and just the way it works with jurisdictions and law enforcement. Like they're a little bit more integrated now than they might've been five years ago. And who knows where that leads in another five years. And this is something I wanted to ask you about. So it is really hard to keep track of the executive order extravaganza. And I'm sure a lot of things he says, like the straw stuff and the Gulf of America stuff, that is to get the headlines to hide the other stuff. And one of those things that I thought was kind of just a headline grabber was the release of Ross Ulbrich, the Silk Road guy. And I heard you talk pretty passionately about this. This seemed to be something that was a big deal to you. I'm curious why it was such a big deal to you and just your thoughts here. I've heard you say that you don't think Snowden and Assange are even legit, but Ross was legit. Break this down for us. So what really just infuriated me was, I used to cover this on the radio, how fake the Edward Snowden story was. I knew it was fake because it was on the news. Well, right. I was skeptical for the same reason, but have you dug anything out that's kind of a smoking gun there? Edward Snowden? Oh, with Edward Snowden, I mean, I was following it absolutely step by step in real time. And there was a guy who, American everyman at the time, I think he's nomadic everyman now. He got a little bit deplatformed because of S-hook. Anyway, so he did a lot of research, which I followed and I did some of my own. The Edward Snowden story was preposterous. It's like he was in a international area of, I think, the Moscow airport for something like 45 days. It was a very small place. It had one coffee shop, one bathroom, had a small hotel that said they never saw him. The press of the world was there and they didn't see him. He always had the same look. Look, I said, you'll never see him with anything but that haircut and those glasses because that's how you do it. And I think Brian Williams went and interviewed him. The whole world's looking for him and he gives him an interview. His story started to morph and get a little more elaborate at that point. And I was on the radio and I wanted to find the truth about things. I wasn't a conspiranoid. I didn't even know 9-11 was an inside job. So I would look and I was like, look at this. There are like gray ops and black ops and psyops and this is how it works. So they introduced an idea. And then if it works, they'll like pad it a little bit. So then I even went back and a few months before Edward Snowden made the scene, some weird guy was arrested in Moscow with like a bag full of wigs. And it was so obviously when you knew how psyops worked, it was like a trial bullying to see how preposterous it could be. But the absolute tell with Snowden, the absolute tell was that he didn't actually give any information. He didn't give any information that wasn't already out there. I used to follow RT, which was better back then. I was retweeting like all this stuff that I had already said. And then they asked me about Ron Paul or whatever. And he's like, yeah, I like Ron Paul. And then he said, I'm not saying we shouldn't do this. I'm just saying we should have the conversation. And he was saying how the surveillance tactics were unconstitutional or illegal. And so you either should change the law or not do it. And I said, let me guess which thing is going to happen. And two years later, you got the USA Freedom Act. So I think predictability is a good measure of your thesis. And Assange, too, like you could dig into his very weird background. I'm not as versed in him. But when he and Edward Snowden, like Assange came to the rescue for Edward Snowden. And then they made that ridiculous movie about Edward Snowden with a bunch of bizarre footage. Like they had been following him. But the original story was that he met them for 10 minutes in a hotel room. And that was that. Yeah, it's just when you're a household name and you're an enemy of the state and you're not dead, I kind of have a lot of questions. I mean, there's all kinds of whistleblowers out there. No one ever gets to hear about them. Oh, they go to jail. Look up Donald Sockleven went to jail for kiddie porn on his FBI laptop. It's like, really? Yeah, that stuff worries me now, too, because the whole Epstein file, there's a lot of people talking about how Epstein's going down. Diddy's going down. This is another part of the clearing out the old legacy stuff. You know, Hugh Hefner's dead now. I think he had an operation. So you get rid of all this stuff. You consolidate it, probably digitize it all. But also now it's just like you don't even have to have actually done anything. You don't have to be compromised. You just have to have a story come out that says they found something on your computer and it doesn't even mean it was there. It could be digitally planted or it could not even be there at all. And once it's said, that taints your reputation forever and they can do that to anyone. And this goes into the Ross Ulbrich story. So what I really hated about the Ross Ulbrich story is something that's very common now. I also hated about the Bill Cosby story, who I championed from the beginning. And people were like, no, oh, yeah, no, people don't like it at all. He's what I call a sacrificial wolf. They throw these guys under the bus because you don't care. But wait till they come for you. First, they came for the rapists and the pedophiles, you know. But I'm joking. But his story, he was denied many, many rights. And this is what bothers me about his story. But Ross Ulbrich, who the crime itself was preposterous. So he did the new Silk Road or whatever you call it, like deep webs, dark webs. And drugs sold on that somewhere along the line were supposedly consumed by a 13-year-old girl who died. Now, if all of that really happened, there are legal principles about mens rea and actus reas. You have to do something. You have to have the intention to do it. For him to serve consecutive life sentences for that is like premeditated murder. Multiple counts of premeditated murder is what that would be. But what's really galling about the whole thing, not only that if that girl really died, they probably, you know, wouldn't be surprised if they killed it just to set him up, that two law enforcement, one Secret Service guy, one DEA agent, went to jail for malfeasance in their investigation and their approach to Ross Ulbrich along the way. And he was not allowed to bring that up in his defense. So the fact that they were out to get him, maybe to get his Bitcoin, I don't know. They were willing to engage in malfeasance in order to forward this case, to push it along. You should be able to bring up absolutely anything you want in your defense. Aliens, monsters, whatever. And he couldn't. And it was such a travesty of justice. Now, there are millions of people in jail who don't belong there. Why do I care about this guy? I guess I really don't like that our basic rights can be contravened like that and they get away with it publicly. I appreciate that he let him out. But I wish that point were addressed. You have to be able to say anything you want in your defense, maybe behind closed doors, but you have to be able to bring it up. Yeah, I mean, I agree with that. It does seem like a sham trial. Seems like they really wanted to make an example of him. But I guess I'm just kind of neutral on it. I mean, libertarian wise, sure. It's just a marketplace. And you're like, hey, I didn't do anything. I just made a platform where people can buy and sell. And I have nothing to do with it. But I mean, come on, man. You know you're going to get the horns. You know, you mess with the bull, you get the horns. You know that that's going to happen. And I just think that with the thing about the 13-year-old girl, it's like, I'm surprised only one person was harmed from Silk Road. It's just the nature of drugs. You know, drugs are pretty dangerous, especially in high quantities if you don't know what you're doing. And if you create a place where hundreds of thousands of people are selling drugs and guns anonymously, I'm not surprised some people died because of that. I'm not even making a judgment call on it necessarily. I'm just saying you don't really need to isolate one 13-year-old girl. It's like, well, I mean, they're selling cocaine. They're selling fentanyl. Who knows exactly what? Drugs, guns. These are dangerous things. And I would expect him to face a pretty harsh penalty for setting up that infrastructure. But I mean, I don't really, I just don't have a dog in the fight. But I'm not surprised by what happened. I would like to just respond from a philosophical point of view. So as a libertarian, I like freedom, but I don't like it just for freedom's sake. I actually think it works better. So when I see regulatory structures erected around anything, dangerous, prohibitions, limitations, I feel like a lot of times they're accommodating this taking away of your freedom. So I'll take the FDA for an example and guns for an example. If we didn't have the FDA, CBS would have to prove they couldn't sell anything. You'd feel like, I'm not taking any of that. Like, I know people would die from that. I'm not taking any of that. So you would plug back in your own senses. Like with guns, you know, I call this heirloom wisdom. There was a time where, you know, a 12-year-old boy in the West absolutely had a rifle on his back and he knew how to use it. And then I look at how the government, the people who are the ones who regulate and control marketplaces and these contraband goods, they actually create the black markets so they have a monopoly, so they can benefit. The CIA has a long history of benefiting from drug money. Do they want everybody else to have the guns? No, but in Operation Fast and Furious, they had a lot to do with those guns crossing the border and being involved in the drug war in Mexico. So on the surface, if you could trust your government, we could be having an argument, a conversation of a libertarian versus a minarchist versus, you know, I believe in government. But to me, you're not talking about an entity that's more trustworthy than Ross Ulbrich running the show. I agree with you there. I don't think that the government did this to protect us. Obviously, he messed with their monopoly and he got the horns. I'm just saying I'd expect that kind of thing. Like, if you mess with the system to that kind of degree, I'm not surprised by what happens. Not that it's good or bad. But the reason he was released, obviously, seems I don't think Trump cares. He would have done it four years ago. Exactly. Good point. He did this to appease certain people to try to get some goodwill that he could cash in for some of this other stuff. One of your co-hosts on that show said to get the rat in the trap, you got to give him some cheese first. And this is likely the cheese. And I'm also curious, though, like, if Assange and Snowden are ops, which I'm totally open to, why not just release them, too? Why not get even more goodwill? I mean, so many people would be like, oh, my God, Trump released Snowden and Assange? Like, he would be a hero like no other. And it's just like, why not use that? Well, is Assange in jail right now? Didn't he kind of get out? I kind of actually do remember that, but I don't think it was like a pardon thing. I think it was something a little more between the lines. Yeah, they used him for a really long time that went on and on. And Edward Snowden, I guess, is supposedly in Moscow. I have two things to say. One is, I'm not completely convinced that he was really in jail that whole time. Like, there's a crazy postcard. I cannot find it. But Assange used to have a drag show when he was very young, like he was Jane Mansfield or something. And boy, did he look like a chick. And there's some weird pictures of Edward Snowden, like, in the back of a gay magazine or whatever. There always is, isn't there? I don't know. Yeah, I can't. Don't quote me on what it was, but you'll find the pictures. And he'd be like, well, yeah. And he was talking about how he can walk around in Moscow. I'm sure it's bullshit. And, you know, have a scarf around his face and a hat on. And people just from his eyes will be able to recognize him. And I'm like, I think you're talking about the wig. And I always think there's some costumery going on that these guys are out and about. So they're not really suffering. And you can keep this meme going. And the big thing for Assange, the big reason Assange exists is that he's the honeypot. If you had whistleblowers actually going to what used to be, I think it was Kryptome, there was one right before that. And people have mixed feelings about the guy who established that. But what his policy was, and maybe this was just a way to get people to the table, his policy was upload all your documents as is to this site. It goes live the second you upload it. Now, that's something. With Assange, you have to give it to him. He has the rights to it. He can sit on it. He can curate it. That's a different animal altogether. And so you want everybody in the world to know about Assange constantly. He's the guy. I can trust him. I'm going to reach out to him. No, that's a really good point. And the honeypot stuff is really thorny. And it makes a lot of sense that you would have a guy as a household name to be like, this is the guy who blows the whistle and everything. Bring him what you got. And then you get a knock at the door and your stuff is confiscated. And you probably commit suicide by shooting yourself in the chest. And he still operated even behind, you know, like the blind sheep. He's still operated even in incarceration. Yeah, well, this was really super interesting and really fun and long overdue. I'm impressed with how active you are. Remind people of the various shows you do and where they can tune into them. Well, my main thing has always been to just take the daily news and analyze it in real time. Haven't been able to do that too much since the fire, but I always do my other shows. I kind of do that with Cognitive Dissidence, which is my show with her boy, Morich, and Parallel Mike. Super fun, very high quality. And then I always have a book that I'm reading and sharing with the people. I do an interview probably once a week. And I always try to do a nice little swap cast or a union show. And I mean, I've done many deep dives. I probably have a thousand shows on MonicaPerezShow.com because I've been doing it for a long time. And then you can listen and you can say, does she check out? No, it's so funny because I was going to make a joke about you being like the female Sam Tripoli because he has a dozen shows and I'm like, just do the one show. But it's also funny because I just interviewed him. And right when I asked about the final wrap up stuff, his dog started barking. I'm like, what is going on? I am in a simulation. But do you have any plans for the next book that you're going to be doing a 10 hour series on? Yes, I want to do Servando Gonzalez, Psychological Operations and the New World Order. I've been trying. See, I want to talk to these people if they exist. I try to reach out to their families. I want to know, like, I'll read the book for you free. I really don't. I mean, I only just pay for my expenses, so I don't care. But I don't have to put commercials in it or anything. But yes, Servando Gonzalez, he was Cuban. One of the things that was so fascinating about what he said was he thought Cuba was an experiment or a frontrunner of de-industrializing the West. And there are organizations called De-Industrialized. They're at the heart of 15-minute cities, formerly known as digital cities. So I want to revisit that book to really dig in that if Cuba is a prototype, what went into that and what's in store. Yeah, wow. Really interesting. That's a good pitch. And I hope people tune into that. But it is about that time. It has been a pleasure. Keep doing what you do and take care. Thanks, Greg. Yes, my damies. There it is. The long overdue THC debut of Monica Perez. Maybe the only female conspiracy host with a deep history in radio that I would put on the top shelf. When I say things like that, I hope I'm not overlooking anyone. But in terms of hosts, she's really putting in the hours and the years. And she's definitely got me beat in terms of content and time on the mic and all that. And she's very good at what she does. I'm glad we could make it happen. Clearly, she's very knowledgeable in a whole host of different areas. Sad to know the fires were so destructive to her life, even though she didn't, thankfully, lose her home. And though there were many things talked about today, one that she brought up that I found really interesting was that thing about Elon's family. It made me look into it a bit deeper. So she said Elon's maternal grandfather was arrested as part of this Technocracy Incorporated for being an illegal organization. And that's true. And according to his grandfather's Wikipedia, he wasn't just part of a Technocracy Incorporated, whatever that was exactly. But just to quote from that Wikipedia page, from 1936 to 1941, he was involved in Howard Scott's Technocracy Incorporated, which led to his arrest under the Wartime Defense of Canada Regulations Act on a charge of membership to an illegal organization. Technocracy Incorporated had been banned in Canada following the start of World War II since the organization was deemed subversive to the war effort. He was returned to Regina and released on $8,000 bail. At trial, he was fined for his role in writing, publishing, and circulating a document titled Statement of Patriotism by Those Who Were Technocrats, which the court deemed likely to cause disaffection to his majesty. In 1941, he resigned from that group and for two years attempted to form his own political party, publishing a newsletter titled Total War and Defense. Handelman's son-in-law, Errol Musk, Elon's father, claimed in 2024 that Haldeman sympathized with Nazi Germany during World War II, and in 1943, he joined the Social Credit Party of Canada and served as the Social Credit Party of Saskatchewan's leader. It also says later that he gave a speech defending a decision by a party newspaper to publish the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. He would later claim that apartheid in South Africa was leading white Christian civilization against the international conspiracy of Jewish bankers and the hordes of colored people he claimed they controlled. Ooh, so just very interesting. Lots of hits on the conspiracy bingo card there. But I was most surprised that it's not just technocracy, but also a social credit party of Canada in 1943. And they also have a Wikipedia page. They are a populist political party in Canada that promoted social credit theories of monetary reform. Holy shit, right? And Elon is basically building out the tech infrastructure to manage what seemed to be his grandfather's dream. Another factoid about Elon's family, in 1973, Errol Musk and his wife May divorced, and in her memoir, May, Elon's mom, characterized her marriage as abusive and alleged Errol had been violent. She recounts a time during their divorce where she sought refuge at a neighbor's home after Errol showed up with a knife looking for her. This is where it gets wild. In the early 1990s, Errol, then aged 45, married Heidi Bezundenhout, a 25-year-old he described as one of the best-looking women he'd ever seen in his life, and they had two children. And so when Errol Musk married this Heidi chick, she actually had a four-year-old already, so Errol became her stepfather. Now, this girl, her name was Janna, or Janna, and later, she became his romantic partner. In March 2018, it was reported that Errol had fathered a child with his adult stepdaughter, Janna, and in 2022, Errol gave an interview to the Sun announcing that they were having a second child. It goes on to just throw in, Elon described his father, Errol, as a terrible human being, adding, almost every evil thing you could possibly think of, he has done. But yeah, just to recap, Errol married this chick, Heidi, who had a four-year-old daughter. He raised this daughter, and then when this daughter became an adult, he had two kids with her. Maybe married her, I don't know. So gross for a lineage of people who seem to have a real issue with Jews. They act a lot like Woody Allen. But that is some dark, weird, crazy shit. And I learned this from a biographer of Elon because they got into how Elon and his dad don't get along, and a lot of it is because Elon was kind of raised with this as like an older sister, and then his dad is fucking her and married her, which I could imagine might create a rift. But you can almost connect the two things, because because of this hate of his father, it only fuels what I think is a desire to lean into his mother's line and the political philosophies and goals of his maternal grandfather. Who knows, but lots of good stuff peppered throughout this one, and lots of things that a person might be inclined to dig into. I wish I could have gotten it out a little bit earlier, because it is so heavy on the things Elon and Trump are doing, and they're doing things so fast that you don't want a big gap when you're doing a current events interview. But I had that live event, and then Gordon and I gallivanted around Florida, going to Bach Tower and the Casadega Spiritualist Camp, where I booked a session with a medium who got basically everything wrong about me and was clearly a scam. This medium told me that he sensed a big career change for me this summer, and that I'd be moving to New York. Neither of which is even close to reality. Never say never, I guess, but my career and my home are both pretty stable and consistent things in my life, so that was frustrating and annoying. No one likes to be scammed. But coming back to the gap in recording this versus getting it out to you, even my RFK comments in the second half would probably be a little different today, because we've had some new stuff happening with the measles death and all that. Now, the thing the news doesn't tell you that's apparently true is that the measles outbreak was because of the MMR vaccine anyway, because it's a live virus vaccine, so sometimes it causes measles outbreaks. But putting that aside, RFK Jr. apparently said that the MMR vaccine is very important, when really it's actually probably one of the most damaging ones. But I try not to get too worked up about every little comment, because he's walking a very difficult line between a completely captured vaccine-obsessed culture and his old fans. So I don't want to judge too harshly or too quickly, because imagine putting yourself in that position and the kind of loaded questions you get in interviews. You've got to say one thing while also trying to move the needle behind the scenes. So much going on, so much to analyze, but what's more important than keeping us out of World War III? According to the models, it happens next year in 2026 regardless. But that's really the thing to pay attention to if you ask me, how much is this administration doing geopolitically to entangle us and all that? After a couple of long drives with Gordon, it seems like the EU is going to go psychopathic bloodlust in defense of Ukraine now that the U.S. support is winding down. And the EU might get so desperate that we could expect a false flag on American soil to rope us right back in. Not unlike Pearl Harbor and how we got sucked into World War II. But that's the tornado weather thing. It's going to be stormy, but where will the twister touch down exactly? Hard to know. Maybe NATO commitments become hard to break, but they say Trump is trying to get out of NATO before that happens. China is very likely to take Taiwan and all this because they want those chip manufacturers. And the biggest of those chip manufacturers just announced a U.S. facility, which might speed up China's motivation to step in. It's nuts. Obviously, the Middle East is a powder keg too. So we basically have these three fronts on which World War III will occur. And all three are really primed to suck the U.S. in because of our, to use the Jada Pickett-Smith term again, entanglements. You can really see the storm coming without being able to do much about it. But I do plan to try and be very useful during all this and get some guests on that can really lay out the timeline so that when things happen, we can all see it playing out without being susceptible to the propaganda and the fear induction. So just try to be your best self and enjoy 2025. But wrapping up my comments on this interview, yes, we got a lot deeper in the Plus Show. The second hour did go deep on various thoughts on this administration, a little back and forth on RFK Jr. Monica giving us a lot more insight into things using her financial background. And we really focused on the technocracy stuff too, the trade-offs they're willing to make to get it done. As always, more to like if you get the full show by being a Plus member. But you know how it works. Just treat yourself already. All right, keeping it moving. The review of the last episode, Wayne McCroy Jr. Wow, I thought it would be good, but it's been a while since we saw this. Wayne McCroy Jr. clocking in at a 4.9. Wow, almost universally loved. I guess like one person gave it a 3 or a 4, but obviously, I'm psyched about that. A minute to give people interviews, they get something out of. So mission accomplished last week. I mean, obviously I had a good feeling about it, but I didn't think it would be the most liked interview of the year so far. But that's great news. I hope this one does well too, but let's look at the meetup calendar. March 15th, Trails Cafe. In LA, March 22nd, New Haven, Connecticut at the Book Trader Cafe. Also March 22nd, Elko, Nevada at the 7018 Brewery. March 26th, Dove Creek, Colorado. Bangers Bar and Pizza. March 29th, Chish and Phipps Kiosk in Sydney, Australia. And March 31st, Gale Brath's Ale House in Auckland, New Zealand. I love it. Go to Hiresidemeetups.com for more details. Very important to keep the physical experience alive. Authenticity, realness, the stuff the AI can't replace. And it's a good idea to get to know people who are on your page locally about the next few years. And when you think about how hot things might actually get, I wouldn't say we'll be under a lockdown, but it might actually be a little harder to meet up this time next year. Crazy to think, but it does feel important. Make events. They are free and available to you wherever you are. But okay, that's the show. Check out all of Monica's irons in the fire at MonicaPerezShow.com. And thank you for listening. Take care of you and yours. It was great seeing a lot of people who came out to the event. And thank you for all those who brought me gifts and had so many kind words to say. I am grateful and humbled. And I'm getting out of here. I've done my part. Your move, modern mind makers, consciousness engineers, and technocratic tyrants. Your fucking move. Sometimes when I get down, I eat a bunch of corporate junk. Stuff that makes you fat. Yeah, it's a week and sickly people making industry full technology. And every now and then I try to quit and leave it be. But it's too hard to turn it off. It's getting worse than yet.