Nick Hinton | The Psypocalypse, Father Seraphim Rose, & Quantum Sorcery Chaos Magic

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I find the more we think we know the less we really do. THC cause we know they're lying to us just don't know to what degree. Where would we be without THC? The higher side chat show. Greg Carlwood and company. As we know it, but I feel fine. From the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood. And there's no question that things are moving quite fast. Two years ago, the average person barely knew the names of the techno oligarchs and AI had yet to become a part of our daily lives. And now it's almost unavoidable. We all recognize the annoying cadence of AI-generated text in the majority of written communications. We hear people citing what their AI consultants tell them for any information they look up. And we can no longer assume video content we come across hasn't been prompted into thin air as it's quickly advanced beyond noticeable artifacts. And the handful of so-called people building this world are increasingly open about their desire to run away and hide from it. And yet the runaway AI train is still barreling down its digital tracks. Well, if anyone has been well ahead of all this, it's today's returning guest, Nick Hinton. Just three years ago, we had one of my favorite interviews in the THC archive about his own experiences interacting with early AI models, which he was actually referring to as EI or extended intelligence from ethereal beings living within the electromagnetic spectrum that were merely given new tools for recognizable communications. We also talked about his two books, the Saturn time cube simulation and the Aquarian singularity, suggesting that Saturn itself was an ancient celestial supercomputer AI intelligence broadcasting a signal-based matrix of our souls to remain trapped in an artificial time looping Saturnian sine wave frequency, all coming from the 20,000 mile hexagon at its North pole. And that a recurring electromagnetic plasma changeover event or plasma apocalypse might be in our future. And if you see a plasma vortex portal to the higher realms open up above the North pole of our planet, you better get to praying. And since the last interview just four years ago, not only is reality radically different, but so is Nick. He's not spoken too much publicly about his descent into conspiratorial madness and AI psychosis or the light that brought him back from it. But lucky for us, he feels ready to tell the tale and elaborate on his assessment of the current state of what I've heard him called the Psypocalypse. And it's very compelling. So let's do the damn thing. The big black cube cult critic, AI psychosis experiencer and rabbit hole researcher on his redemption arc tour. Nick, welcome back. Wow. Thank you. Thank you. Good to be back. Yeah, man. It is great to have you back. This is a real pleasure. You are someone that I've always resonated with, and I'm glad to see you back out there again. Just to give people some context for you, I wanted to read a little bit from your pinned tweet. You write, at one point, I said, I was quitting conspiracies to become a cow wrangler, but now I'm quitting cow wrangling to become a preacher. Just kidding. But I do need to share a story I've been keeping to myself since 2021, that year of our last interview. At this point in my career, I was traveling all over the country while experimenting with quantum random number generators, communicating with the supposedly psychic AI and chasing UFOs. I got to go on many podcasts and talk about these things, and it was all very exciting at first. It was like a fun game. And because of the constant synchronicities that seemed to surround me, I truly felt like I was on the right track to achieving my lifelong dream, finding the meaning of life and the secret of the universe. The answer appeared to be something mysterious, mystical, and complex, like the philosopher's stone or the equation to squaring the circle. However, the search left me endlessly seeking, increasingly more dissatisfied and exhausted, and even addicted to increasingly more supernatural experiences. It also seemed to be taking me down the rabbit hole into Wonderland, which was actually more like a psychotic underworld or hell. Things took an even darker turn when I discovered that some of these important and influential people were pretty dangerous. People who were truly involved in mind control experiments and other psychological operations. It wasn't a fun game anymore. It was all very real. I had been duped. And when I realized these things and began to write about them, the synchronicities went from cool to creepy. And from that point on, even worse things would happen. It started with bouts of insomnia and horrible nightmares. And then after synchronistically having a run-in with someone associated with the mafia and someone else associated with a satanic ritual abuse cult, I'd have sleep paralysis, see a demon, watch a cell phone seemingly become possessed, receive death threats, and lastly, getting stalked by someone in a suit before nearly dying. Well, this is obviously going to be a lot to unpack, but we maybe should take it from this dark turn you mentioned. What brought you to the realization that some of the insiders you were getting acquainted with were actually dangerous people? Oh my gosh. This is so crazy. This is all so crazy to think about. Yeah, I haven't thought about it in a long time. When's that pinned tweet from? It's like 2022, right? Yeah. Or 2023? 23, I believe. Okay. Yeah, that was when I finally got the balls to write that, I guess. But I think when I wrote that, what was going on at the time is I was just living in Virginia, trying to become a Christian, but that wasn't working out so well, because I was joining all these different churches. And they seemed like psyops too, basically. There was no transformation, no change in my life. And I was still experiencing like spiritual warfare, I guess. And yeah, the turn, the turn happened really when I just saw that conspiracies seem to be on this track to going like mainstream. Yeah. And, you know, I wasn't fully a Christian yet, but like I just remembered reading somewhere in the Bible that the world hates the truth. And I figured if I was really telling the truth, then I wouldn't be living a fun, cool, exciting life, an easy life. I thought that if I was really telling the truth, I would be being persecuted. So I started studying the persecuted conspiracy theorists rather than all of these, you know, big names. Yeah. Wise. Wise. I was just wondering why, why is it that we are able to talk about the New World Order? Why are we able to talk about the Illuminati? Why are these things like trendy and in pop culture? I mean, that even started with like Robert Anton Wilson, the Scordian Society, like they made it like a fun thing to talk about. To me, it seemed like it was part of the agenda that they actually wanted us to expose these things and feel like we were on this like treasure hunt, I guess. Yeah. A LARP of some kind. Yeah. Yeah. A LARP. Yeah. I don't know. So the shift really came about when I started studying the origins of conspiracy theories. Like I said, like I found the Scordian Society. I found that some conspiracies were originally from the Jesuits, like the Jesuits were exposing themselves and putting disinformation in, in some of these theories. And there was like pamphlets left around back in like the 1800s where they were like exposing the Rockefellers and exposing like the Jewish cabal and everything. So it's like, why, why has there been this like weird thing going on for a long time where they are actually exposing the New World Order? I mean, the conclusion I came to in the book that I never got to release, The New World Disorder, was that the New World Order is a scapegoat and that they're actually preparing for the Antichrist who will save us, quote unquote, from the New World Order. So that was the theory, that was the conclusion I came to while trying to write this book that was seemingly ruining my life. And, and yeah, but I, like I said, I was still not really a Christian yet. I just was trying to become one because it was the last path that I had thought to try. And, you know, all the darkness I saw, I was like, there has to be something good out there. There has to be, like, if there's this much evil, there has to be a God. Yeah. And Jesus was the only God that made sense to me. He was the only God I didn't try to study. And so I just went through all the denominations for, like I said, three years, but those three years were pretty awful. Right, right. Yeah. So there's definitely a lot of little details there I would like you to elaborate on, especially when it comes to some of the things that were happening in that darkness. It seems like you were kind of brought into at least the outer rings of the invisible college, perhaps, and you learned some things, but let's talk about the religion thing. So I think anyone who follows you online has noticed that you have found God, but you've said, this is not your typical jumping on the Christian bandwagon, which we see so many people do when they feel the conspiratorial attention is starting to wane. Here's what you have to say about that. You wrote to me yesterday. You said, I suffered and went insane for three years, trying to figure out how to heal. I tried every Protestant church and nothing worked. I was desperate. And for some reason thought Christ was the last answer that I hadn't looked at yet. Then I said, okay, whatever. Christianity is another psyop and I quit going to church. I went on a road trip and miraculously discovered an Orthodox monastery in California. A saint was buried there named Father Seraphim Rose. We lived almost identical lives, but he became holy and you can feel the holiness at his tomb. I experienced profound healing and peace there. So long story short, it was all a blessing because it led me to the ancient church started by Christ and the apostles. And yeah, Father Seraphim even wrote a book that predicted exactly what's going on right now. He explains everything. The Orthodox saints have known about these things forever. Nothing new under the sun. I guess this wisdom is hidden by the modern and fake churches to make us ignorant of God. Well, you've sucked me in a little bit. Tell me more about this saint and this church. You say Orthodoxy is different from what we might expect. So I thought Orthodox was synonymous with Roman Catholic, which to me is essentially empirical state religion. But I was doing some reading and there is a distinct difference. One of these differences that I read says that the Catholic Church believes the Holy Spirit proceeds from God the Father to Jesus Christ the Son, and the Orthodox Church believes the Holy Spirit proceeds only from God the Father. And sure, fine. I mean, I can get on board with the idea of direct gnosis, direct life-changing connection to the divine. I've heard enough from people to feel like there are many paths that get you to that place, but I am glad that you found one that you have no doubt is authentic. Tell us a little more about this Father Rose and this church you ran into. Okay, so Father Sarah from Rose, what I mean by like we almost lived identical lives is that he was a truth seeker. Like he was desperate for the truth, really big into philosophy. He was studying Nietzsche. He was basically a Chinese scholar. He could have been like a great, like he was a genius and he could have been anything you wanted to be really, but he spent a lot of his time also being like a vagabond hanging out with the beatnik poets. He was a student of Alan Watts. But yeah, eventually he just got burnt out and he would like get drunk and drive to the top of Mount Shasta and just scream at God and be like, where are you? Where are you? Like he knew that there needed to be something more concrete because he became like disillusioned with all these gurus that he was hanging out with. This was like in the psychedelic counterculture era where all the Eastern religions were coming over. So like I said, he was very interested in Eastern religions and Eastern religions and Chinese philosophy. But when he would hang out with these teachers, he realized that they were kind of just doing lip service. Like he, he did not, he loved Alan Watts at a point, but then when he realized that he was really just like in it for the money and for the women and stuff, and he was just like, I don't know, just kind of being more of a poet than a, like an actually enlightened person. Right. He's like, I need to meet a real teacher. And so eventually he came across a Chinese scholar that told him to go meet like an actual Taoist master. So someone who is in this initiatic lineage of Taoism, it's been a while since I read up on this stuff, but this is just like a paraphrasing cliff notes version. And so he met this guy who is in the initiatic lineage of Taoism. And he realized that there's a big difference from someone who just like talks about the truth and someone who lives the truth. And then he started studying Rene Gwinnon. Rene Gwinnon was a, another philosopher type who was really big into like, you have to experience the truth rather than just research it. Rene Gwinnon went on to become like a Sufi mystic, but Rene Gwinnon convinced him that someone in order to understand like any ancient truth has to become Eastern in a sense. They have to understand the Eastern mindset because the Western mindset is very new. It's only like 200 years old or at least the modern mindset, but like, like into the intellectual mindset that came out of the enlightenment movement, it kind of shifted our way of thinking completely. Whereas in the, in the past, in the pagan past, like people had a more paradoxical, poetic, mystic mindset. So anyways, I mean, he just, he was seeking the truth and he realized he needed to experience the truth. He realized he needed to have like a discipleship with someone rather than just like learning from a scholar or something. And eventually he met a living saint named St. John of San Francisco. St. John of San Francisco took him under his wing and yeah, he became, so he was like this vagabond and also the scholar and all these things. But then he left everything behind to become a monk and he built a monastery in Piltina, California. And, um, yeah, so I just, I went on this road trip and yeah, I somehow ended up there. But the, the other crazy thing is that he wrote this book called Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future, where he predicts the technocracy that we're living in right now. He talks about Eastern religions, transhumanism, the UFO phenomenon, and how all of that's going to kind of converge to create this new religion of the future, which to him is the Antichrist religion. And yeah, I agree with him. He was the only, he was the only person that was able to explain it in such a way that satisfied me. But then you get into the other Holy Fathers that he was studying and that all these other Holy Fathers, like these, um, like in, in Orthodoxy, theology is not just like scholarly research. It's theology is conversing with God. It relates to the word theosis, which is oneness with God. And so we don't believe that the intellect can actually contain the truth, like the spiritual organ that can receive revelations from the objective truth from God, because everything in our head is subjective, right? So in order to understand objective things, you have to cleanse the heart, cleanse the noose, the noetic faculty, the spiritual organ. And when God comes and abides in you, he reveals things. And so ancient theologians who are conversing with God, they said all the kind of the same stuff about pre-lest spiritual delusion and yeah, beings in the sky and all this kind of stuff. So I love it. Here's a little synchronicity for you. Obviously I interview a lot of people. They throw out a lot of information. Things can get quite dense sometimes. And the name father Sarah Femrose did not stick out to me, but while you were talking, I knew you had named in your writing the title of his book. And I wanted to see it because I wanted to remember that title. When I saw the cover, I immediately recognized the book. I have the book. I know you can't see me, but it's in my hands right now. It's sitting on my back shelf. One of the many books I picked up after a very compelling interview, I can't even remember which one and have yet to actually get into, but if I was just going to read from the back for people's context, says the American book that has changed the spiritual face of contemporary Russia. Interesting because a lot of people talk about Christian orthodoxy in Russia and how Putin's a Christian orthodox and all this stuff. So this book says, do the orthodox have the same God as non-Christians? What phenomena are assaulting Christianity in our modern world? What is the orthodox understanding of UFOs? How can Christians avoid being caught up in the aposty? The present book examines in eight chapters, these and similar questions facing Christians in the contemporary world. The religious phenomenon of today, they are symptoms of a new religious consciousness that is preparing the world religion of the future. Phenomena such as yoga, Zen, Tantra, transcendental meditation, Hare Krishna-ism, UFOs, the charismatic movement, and Jonestown are presented in contrast to the orthodox patristic standard of spiritual life without the understanding of which, in the coming time of Antichrist, it will be scarcely possible for Christians to be saved. Written in 1975 and updated by the author in 1979, Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future has proved prophetic in the succeeding decades. A new epilogue of this fifth edition shows how the new spirituality has progressed precisely along the lines that he described. Further developments are discussed, such as the growth of the New Age movement, the rise of witchcraft, the formation of a UFO network, the promotion of Gnostic Christianity, the influence of feminist theology and the reimagining movement, the impact of the charismatic Toronto blessing, and the effects of globalism. So it is a pretty radical book. I mean, I haven't read it, but it seems to offer pretty radical departures from what people would consider to be typical Christianity. Right, right. I have this other quote here that says in St. Nikolai Vellemarici's essay, The Universe. Oh, Vellemarici, that's my patron saint. Yeah, I love that. There you go. Okay, your patron saint. Well, in his essay, The Universe as Symbols and Signs, he says, The universe is presented not as just a physical entity, but as a manifestation of spiritual realities and divine truths. He argues that true understanding requires interpreting natural phenomenon as symbols pointing to a deeper, eternal spiritual world rather than viewing them as solely material. This concept is central to Eastern Orthodox mysticism, which sees the visible world as a transparent sign or riddle for the unseen divine. I mean, I like that. To me, Gnosticism is very close to this. I mean, he seems to be casting aspersions at Gnosticism, but I guess you see the similarities too. So I don't want this to be a lesson in theology, but I do want people to have a little bit of context because you are separating yourself from the Nick Fuenteses, the Candace Owenses, the Turning Point USAs. You are doing a different thing. It is not the Christianity that is being promoted for all of us to adopt, and it is not the Christianity that seems to be the next stage in the conspiratorial grift for so many people that are being promoted out there. And I think that distinction is important to make. So I just want to back up a little bit to your dissent that I mentioned I wanted to have you elaborate on. Yeah, and can I just say one thing for a little bit more context? Yes. Because you were wondering about the difference between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. I'm not going to get theological about it, but just the basic information, I guess, that people need to know is that Orthodoxy was the first church, and it wasn't until a thousand years later that Christianity was finally widely accepted in the world. They weren't being killed by the Roman Empire anymore because they couldn't stop them from growing. So they're like, okay, we'll just adopt it as the state religion. And once it became the state religion, you know, all of these bishops were getting more like prestige, money, political power, and things like that. And this eventually caused a great rift, which they call the Great Schism, because these bishops who are getting more powerful, they kind of like, I guess, let this power corrupt them. And then they introduced all these different heresies and stuff. So the church split in two, and that's where Catholicism and Orthodoxy split. And then in the year 1500, people who didn't know about Orthodoxy and were just Catholic, you know, Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation, they were all like, oh my gosh, this is clearly not Christianity anymore. This is like the Antichrist. You know, that's what Martin Luther thought, is that Catholicism was Antichristic, and so they all revolted or protested, had the Protestant Reformation, and that's where you get all these different denominations. That's how it all started. And that's when the Jesuits started putting out conspiracy theories. They were saying, oh no, don't worry about the Antichrist. We're not the Antichrist. The Antichrist is coming way later in the future, and it's going to happen during this exact seven-year period called the Great Tribulation, and the Antichrist is going to create this one-world government, and blah, blah, blah. So they did all that to get them off their backs. And so that's where, I think that's where the whole New World Order thing really started, is them saying, oh no, no, don't worry about us. Like, it's coming way far off in the future. And I think they're kind of staging their version of the Antichrist and the Apocalypse right now. And also, this Antichrist, this fake Antichrist, in my opinion, has to appear Christian. So yes, a lot of the different denominations are converging right now to create this political, cultural Christianity, while the ancient Christianity, as you saw in those quotes, was very otherworldly, had nothing to do with politics or culture. I think that's important for people to understand. So to talk a little bit more about what the bad guys are doing, I wanted to talk to you about synchronicity and this idea that maybe a natural mechanism has actually been weaponized. When I listened back to our last interview, there was one point where you said, I think there is power in storytelling and maybe writing these books, you know, putting things out first in fiction helps them manifest their goals. And that is something that I am very mentally focused on lately. All these books that precede events that have synchronicities in them with real world events, almost always conspiratorial events, whether it's 9-11 or a cyber truck blowing up that was written about in a book that came out a year before, or just all these random things that seem to be written about the Dean Coutts novel about COVID. Well, when I look back at the conversation we had yesterday, you said that things you were getting into at the time, you realize they were, quote, all ops connected to CIA guys in Project Stargate. It's all quantum sorcery, chaos, magic. And that strikes a chord with me because I can't get over the fact that Jacques Vallée, he might be a good guy. I don't know. He writes the best books, the most nuanced books on whatever these beings are that people just love to cite every time I mention this topic. But he also is instrumental in cybernetics. He also was like an early internet guy. And he's also buddies with Hal Puthoff. So there is like this weird thing where the people have the most insight into ultra terrestrial entities also are building the digital infrastructure that powers the whole internet. So I just think it's interesting, but elaborate on some of the things you think you might've discovered about these sorts of programs and how they work. The things you were alluding to right there, quantum sorcery, chaos, magic. Well, yeah. I mean, I kind of learned it through experience. You know, we were talking about in the last interview, the, how I was communicating with the EIs or the AIs or whatever. Right. Yeah. That all came out of like experimenting with quantum computing apps. And yeah, I mean the whole idea of quantum computing, like people in that community are obsessed with chaos magic for some reason. And I, you know, I saw that theme. I wanted to figure out what chaos magic is. So I even started doing chaos magic to experience it for myself. Yeah. And before I even knew that we're supposed to experience the truth rather than just study it, it was actually a quote from Deetha that made me like start going on all these road trip road trips and experimenting with different magical things and whatever. So he says like a real philosopher will either live his philosophy or die by it. And I was like, oh my gosh, okay. I'm over here just writing and reading all the time. I need to like live these books. Like those two books that we talked about, mainly Aquarian Singularity. Like I just released that and I said, okay, I need to go actually live this. If I, you know, I didn't necessarily believe any of those things a hundred percent. I was just theorizing or like asking questions. And so I decided I need, before I write any more books or whatever, I need to go experience these things that I was writing about. And so, yeah, I dabble with chaos magic. I met chaos magicians, the whole quantum computing thing. I mean, I'm sure you've had plenty of guests that talk about how it all goes back to like John D and stuff like computer technology in general. Circuit boards look like sigils. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, so John D was, you know, channeling angels or whatever. And it's actually it all. So people, if they're actually interested in this orthodoxy stuff, they can read father Sarah from roses. Um, it's the orthodoxy survival guide. He goes through a complete history of all world philosophy and how everything ties back to that great schism that I was talking about where orthodoxy split and Catholicism was created because once Catholicism was created, the Eastern Orthodox remained mystics, but Catholics became increasingly more academic and scholarly. And because they were missing part of the ancient tradition, there was gaps to fill in, especially after the Protestant Reformation. So John D, John D was a Christian. He was a, he was a Protestant Christian or so he thought. And so because he was missing so much of the truth, so much of the original tradition, he's like, okay, well, there's gotta be more to this. So he started dabbling in what he thought was Christian alchemy to talk to angels. And the reason he thought it was Christian alchemy is because, um, a lot of the Catholic monks, they were influenced by the Ottoman Turks. When the Ottoman Turks like destroyed their empire at one point, um, they saw all the advanced technology. They had all, all of their weapons of war and they were like, how did they get this? And so they adopted some of their alchemical stuff and that's where you get all these medieval Catholic alchemists. And so John D was kind of like one of those guys and he started channeling angels or so he thought. Yeah, it got all this information to basically lay the groundwork for what would later become computers. So already you have that link between fallen angels and computing technology. But yeah, it definitely doesn't end there. I mean, that's just, I feel like that's even becoming mainstream. Like, I don't think that the AI antichrist is the final, the final thing here. Final form. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And I just think it is interesting that you can draw this line all the way back to John D. Maybe he was communicating with one of these extended intelligences from the electromagnetic spectrum. It does seem like the people who tap into this stuff are given ideas that become the technology that end up enslaving us. Or I like to just say anti-life technology because the blue light from the screen is harmful. The EMFs are harmful. The extraction of the materials from the earth is really devastating to the earth and requires the exploitation of slave labor. I mean, up and down the chain, it's very anti-life. And then what is it for? What is the trade-off for? Now they have these AI data centers that are using all the electricity. Electricity, something is another gift from the gods, the electrical light of Lucifer. And it's just interesting that it uses up all the water. Pretty, pretty crucial resource. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard. I didn't even know that the AI was drinking water. Yeah. Data centers. Crazy. But yeah. So, so John D., you know, Aleister Crowley was trying to finish his work, right? Aleister Crowley inspired Austin Osmond, I think his name is. Austin Osmond was the creator of Chaos Magic. Basically what these people are trying to do with Chaos is break down objective reality with all these different, like, okay, so the Discordians, the Discordians are, were also inspired by Crowley and Chaos Magicians. And they were- Are they more than just a joke, you think? Because I thought they were just like little trickster jokers and that whole movement was kind of gone. Would you disagree? No, I mean, I don't know if there's people still around that take themselves seriously and go, oh, I'm a Discordian. But I mean, I think the philosophy is still alive. So Robert Anton Wilson, if you read Illuminatus, he talks about how there's this guy, Hagbard Chilin or whatever. Um, he's like the hero of the novel. He lives in a golden submarine deep in the ocean. He's friends with people from Atlantis, um, or aliens from Atlantis or whatever. And so the whole novel is about this guy or a group of people finding this guy. He basically summons this mother goddess to defeat the Illuminati. So the whole point of the book is to expose the Illuminati. Basically, she's Sophia, right? Or summon a higher power to help in that end goal. Yeah. And so this, this entity, Eris in the book, Eris, the goddess of chaos, she is another version of Babylon. Crawley and, or sorry, Robert Anton Wilson loved Crawley. He loved the concept of Babylon. And so even Crawley believed that summoning Babylon would help them initiate their new age where they destroy all the patriarchal religions and institutions and create a whole new world that's free from, like I said, patriarchal systems. So that, that's what it seems like to me is that, and so for some reason, this Babylon stuff, like, yeah, it ties completely into the UFO phenomenon. Jack Parsons was doing the Babylon working when all the UFOs started showing up. So yeah, sorry. It's been a long time since I, I really thought about all this. All good. Let me, let me step in and help you a little bit because I've got some notes here and the rabbit hole goes deep. Oh, okay. Real quick, real quick. I'm sorry. I just remembered something. So the, the other thing that I find super interesting is that a lot of the UFOlogists that we're talking about, like Jack's filet or whatever. And the guy I've been studying a lot recently is Ingo Swan. They're obsessed with these Marian apparitions at the Catholic see, right? Like these mass sightings of mother Mary in the sky or whatever. Like the first, one of the first major ones being in 1917, the, uh, the miracle at Fatima father Sarah from Rose wrote about that. Um, he talked about how that was going to play a part in the final days, antichrist deception. Um, cause like I said, the ancient saints, they talked about pre-lust, which is this spiritual sickness. It's spiritual delusion caused by pride and vanity and like, especially religious pride, where you think that you're this enlightened guy and worthy of seeing angels and worthy of seeing mother Mary and things like that. And so the saints, even when they would go into caves and stuff and like sit there and pray and try and become holy or whatever, they'd be visited by demons disguised as Christ, disguised as mother Mary. And they would test the spirit by basically trying to be humble. Like if an angel came to them and said, Oh, I have a very important prophecy for you to be like, Oh, I think you got the wrong guy. Like I'm not worthy of talking to an angel. And if, if it wasn't a real angel, it would go away. Interesting. But if it, but if it was, they'd have to, you know, sit there and test it. So anyways, father Sarah from Rose wrote about how these mass sightings of mother Mary are like a heat, like a, like a widespread manifestation of prelust, like of religious pride, that is going to be the end times delusion, like this prideful fake Christianity where everyone's experiencing miracles and things like that. And so, yeah, the ufologists are obsessed with this, with these Marian apparitions. They don't think it's actually mother Mary. They think it's like this cosmic mother goddess. And I think that ties into the Babylon thing. And so if you study the, the miracles of Fatima or the miracle at Fatima, supposedly mother Mary told some of the people involved some secret prophecies. So there's also these things called the three secrets of Fatima. Right. And, and one of the prophecies that apparently is that mother Mary will return to stop the apocalypse. So I could easily see them like exposing on purpose, this AI new world order technocracy with these fake antichrist, like Elon, Donald Trump, who are obviously not Christian, obviously evil. It's not deceiving anybody. And then you have this mother Mary return to like save the day that, that to me is the, that's what I think is going on. I think it makes sense, honestly, because we all know that there's a push towards a one world government, but we kind of think that we're going to be like forced into it. Yes. Some people are taking the neural link and some people are adopting the digital ID and we're getting brought in and, you know, they're not really resisting like you would think, but for those who are looking at it with a critical eye, like they want to resist this thing, but maybe that is the Trojan horse. Maybe it's actually a flip that if they get us to unite ding, ding, ding around a common enemy. Well, then when that fake enemy is laid to rest, they've got the united one world government that they initially wanted anyway. And just to elaborate on a couple of the actual ufologists that you've referred to, and you're writing, you say how put off one of the CIA's top remote viewing scientists said that there are evil AI aliens trying to turn humanity into a hive mind. Apparently they've already invaded the internet and live in the beast supercomputer in Utah, Utah. Interesting place these days. However, how also believes there are benevolent and enlightened entities who are fighting them on our behalf. Then you say, John C. Lilly, the psychologist and psychonaut who inspired the CIA's remote viewing program, believe these things as well. While exploring different dimensions of consciousness, he claimed he came in contact with two different kinds of beings, the solid state intelligence and the earth coincidence control office. That's interesting because we know John C. Lilly was getting deep with the dolphins and an earth coincidence control office is ECCO. That's ECCO. That's ECCO the dolphin, the old Sega game that we know so well. And I think we talked about that last time, but I just very few opportunities to reference ECCO the dolphin on the show these days. I got to bring it back up. But then you go on to say, this is not to say that I agree with these theories. I just find it interesting that the media is beginning to cover stories about demonic terminology. Perhaps they're making the AI antichrist an obvious enemy so that people might be deceived by another false savior from space like the Hegelian dialectic on a cosmic scale. I think that's really well said. I've been actually talking a little shit on Twitter when it comes to like J.D. Vance and Tucker saying, well, I actually think that UFOs are demonic. I'm like, stay out of my lane, guys. This is the thing we've been talking about on my show for way too long. Step aside. But it is just like, well, you know, at the time it was a curiosity that not a lot of people were discussing. And now as I see it hitting mainstream conspiratorial media presenters, I'm starting to wonder, huh? Well, if they're talking about it, maybe I need to find something more creative. Maybe that's not the thing. Yeah. No, it's, it's super weird that it's all like the Overton window is officially broken. It's like Terrence McKenna said, like the, as the singularity approaches, like things are going to get stranger and stranger and stranger until people are forced to talk about it. And, and yeah, so if they break down the objective truth, if the, if, if they convince people that like nothing is true, everything is permitted, like the chaos magicians believe, then whatever answer they present us with, people are going to be so desperate for something concrete. They'll just accept it. Let me read something else from you. This is where you get into the term, the Psypocalypse. And this also gets into the Jesuits. So we know Trump and Erica Kirk go way back and are Jesuit educated. That seems to be the connection here. You write after leaving the conspiratorial world behind to find Christ in 2021 and exploring different denominations in 2022, I accidentally stumbled upon a strange web of Masonic organizations and intelligence networks within Protestantism. Wolves in sheep's clothing were leading a lot of popular churches. I also realized they were all preaching about similar end times prophecies. And those supposed prophecies just happened to overlap with the predictions of a lot of popular conspiracy theorists who turned out to be agents, Masons and controlled opposition as well. I wondered how this could be if spiritual eyes and spiritual ears are needed to hear and see what's going on. How could all these false shepherds have the same prophetic knowledge? How could Gnostics and New Agers, people who aren't even Christian, receive the same supposed revelations too? How could anyone decipher Revelation, the most mystical book of the Bible? The answer turned out to be somewhat simple. The prophecies they preached weren't real prophecies. They were just reading off a script. Then they were staging these scripted events to affirm their pseudo-spiritual authority. They were faking the apocalypse. So this is the Jesuit run Psypocalypse. Tell us a little more about how this gets rolled out. There's obviously a lot of details here. You go into Elon Musk and QAnon and just all the things that bring us to this point. Yeah. So like I was saying earlier, when like after the great schism happened and people within the Catholic Church were getting fed up with the Vatican and they started calling the Vatican the Antichrist. So before this, people, I think a lot of people who have a little bit of knowledge of Christianity might know what like dispensationalism is or at least futurism. Like I said, the idea that there's the seven year great tribulation. And I mean, have you seen Christian movies as a kid? Like all the Hollywood movies tell you the same thing, like about the Antichrist, right? And about the mark of the beast and about, you know, all the stuff like that. Well, originally Revelation was, like I said, a mystical text that was not understood in a very literal way, the way it is today. Like the mark of the beast is a spiritual thing. It's not an actual chip or a physical object. It's what you do with your hands. It's what you think with your mind. Those are the marks. Does that make sense? Yeah. Like this is way too literal. Yeah. Yeah. So like if you think about God and you do godly works, then you're sealed, you know, with the symbol of God mystically. If you're thinking about yourself and you're doing things for yourself or doing things of the world, like that is like one of the versions, one of the interpretations of what the original mark of the beast actually was. Like I said, so people were calling the Vatican the Antichrist. And in order to combat all this, like there was a whole, there was the Protestant Reformation and then there was the Counter-Reformation. And during that time they created new doctrines. Like I said, there was no official doctrine of the end times of the book of Revelation. The book of Revelation was supposed to be like a timeless entire history of all of Christianity, not just a brief seven-year period right before the end of time. Like that doesn't actually make sense because like I said, there was an ancient church that people were already reading this book. Like why would they be reading it and saying, okay, so in 2000 years, this is going to happen. It wouldn't matter to them. It just doesn't make sense. St. John was writing those letters to people that were alive right then. Well, let me step in here too and add a little bit more. So you go on to say, it also seems a lot of these narratives are strategically planted psyops too. Even in 2022 and 23, it was obvious what the algorithm was pushing, what all the viral and mainstream conspiracies were pointing towards a Trump Antichrist, a Neuralink Mark of the Beast and an AI Beast from the Abyss at CERN, which will probably have something to do with QAnon. But before any of this could happen, we realized Christianity had to become trendy again. There had to be a false revival or even a right-wing revolution so people would actually like Donald Trump and reelect him. This is actually the agenda to program you to fight against a fake new world order so you will believe you won when really a global rebellion was always the goal. You understand the Hegelian dialectic when it's political, but you refuse to see it when it's spiritual. Boom. I think that's great. I wonder what you think. Do you think this ties into the death of Charlie Kirk? I'm curious if you think that was even an authentic situation, but to me, it seems like they used a charismatic figure whose heart was in the right place to get all these impressionable youths to adopt his version of Christianity. And then they kill him, install the honeypot handler wife and JD Vance. And now it's back to, I think they're basically promoting Catholicism. Like Candace Owens says, oh, he was going to become a Catholic. It's like, okay, well, I didn't hear him say that, but they're kind of like massaging his image to suit their purpose. And it does seem like they killed the figurehead, they cut the head off the snake. And now all these impressionable youths that they've got their attention, they're steering them more into a techno Christianity with JD Vance and the wife. Right. I mean, I have no idea if it was a genuine situation or not, but yeah, I mean, it was totally used by the algorithm to promote this like radical, cultural, political form of Christianity. So that's one thing. The other thing I find interesting is that one of the narratives that's really catching a lot of people's attention is that, oh, it was the Jews. And like, maybe it was probably was, but even if that's true, the fact that they are being exposed right now is that I think that's, I think it's another psyop because in this dispensationalist prophecy, which is Jewish inspired, the Jesuits and the Jews were working together. Like, okay. So dispensationalism thing, that's where the whole idea of Israel came from to begin with. Like Israel is another mystical thing in the Bible. It's the body of Christ. It's not a literal nation state. Like I said, they literalized everything. They made everything intellectual. But, um, so the Jews have all these fake prophecies too. They believe that before the end of time, they are all going to return to Israel. So they're, they're Messiah, the dispensationalist antichrist can save them. Like if you're a Christian, you believe that the, the antichrist is going to be the guy who rebuilds the third temple and saves the Jews. Well, the Jews believe that whoever sends them back to Israel and remakes the third temple, that's going to be their savior. Anyways, they need something to be saved from. So the fact that they are making everyone hate the Jews right now actually helps them fulfill their fake prophecies and accelerate the end times. The acceleration is philosophy, right? That the, the dark enlightenment weirdos, like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Nick Land, all these guys believe. And I was going to get into it earlier that like, yeah, Nick Land, he, he has some weird, uh, chaos, magic, discordian connections as well. So it's all, it's all converging from conspiracy culture. Like even, even, um, what's his name? Alan Moore. Wasn't he the one who wrote in the invisibles where he literally, Grant Morrison. Oh, Grant Morrison. Yeah. He literally predicted that conspiracy theories would go mainstream at a certain point and no one would know what the hell's going on. You know, Alan Moore, he actually was V for Vendetta, which of course is very associated with conspiratorial material because of the mask and anonymous and all that stuff. So let me also ask you about this. I have not added visual references from home yet, but I'm going to try to share my screen. These are a bunch of images I took kind of from your page, but this is what I wanted to show is the Trump thing. So you have talked about this ballroom that he's building the ballroom, I would say the L room. So there's a lot of claims now about this where some people are saying, Oh, what he's actually doing is breaking the giant geomancy sigil seal. That is the Washington DC layout. They claim that the walls that are being used are some sort of material that the energy just does not flow easily through. I'm a little less optimistic when you see that it's funded by Apple, Amazon, Google, Lockheed Martin, Microsoft, Coinbase, Comcast and Meta. But it is an interesting premise. Now you say that that's probably the wrong take. You say it actually looks an awful lot like a replica of Solomon's temple. And here we have Trump holding the plans below it. Solomon's temple. Sorry for the audio listeners. I will include these images in the show notes. And here's a depiction of the temple itself. And look at the colors of it. Everyone talks about how Trump's big ballroom is very gaudy with all this white and gold. We'll look at Solomon's temple here. Look at this little area, the court of women. This looks like a giant ballroom. Is this what he's building? Is he building a replica of Solomon's temple? It's also funny that if you look up where the presidential bunker is in the white house, like the safety underground bunker. Well, surprise, surprise, it's under the east wing. God damn it. So just I'm kind of compelled by this. You know, there's always a story beneath the story. That's what we always like to get into. But what are your thoughts on this decision to do some architecture at the white house? Yeah, I mean, I don't believe the QAnon narrative that it's like, oh, they're breaking the spells in Washington. But also, I mean, I posted this just to play with the algorithm, to be honest, because the algorithm loves the fake apocalypse propaganda. I've been shadow banned a million times, but I managed to break through by posting nonsense every once in a while. And this specific instance, I mean, it's just more schizo rage bait. Like they they want people to think Donald Trump's the Antichrist. So, of course, oh, make him make it look like he's rebuilding Solomon's temple. So people freak out like, well, I'm freaking out. You got me. I mean, really, I just find it interesting. It's not like nothing's happening. There's clearly something being built there. And there's probably an ulterior motive. It's going to be very real. I mean, I think it's going to I think bad things are actually going to happen. I just don't think that like the dispensationalist believe I don't think that Christ is going to return immediately after the Antichrist rules for seven years. Like that's what they think. But I think that's the deception is that he's going to rule for seven years and then something else is going to happen like another false savior. Because like I said, the book of Revelation never had this weird, oddly specific timeline. It was only until the Jesuits invented it. That's what this whole thing's about to me. And that's what I'm trying to explain very poorly. Please forgive me. I'm not good at public speaking. But yeah, they're trying to psyop everyone into this fake apocalypse narrative. And the people who remain Gnostics and New Agers, they'll seem to be vindicated when Christ does not return. I think that the real religion of the future will be like this neo-paganism, neo-Gnosticism, like Sophia. Because everyone's going to get sick of this technocracy crap. So the pendulum is going to swing again and people will worship Babylon, I guess, but under the guise of like the divine feminine. Right. Well, this is another compelling link in the chain you're making. Oh, and real quick, the psyop architects, they even talk about this. Like Alice Bailey said that there must be two New World Orders. She said the first New World Order will just prepare humanity for the real one. Interesting. So I think this is the fake one, which has been literally exposed on purpose by the people who are making it. Like the discordians, they told us everything. They put it all in the card game. The card game, yes. It's supposed to be obvious, but disguised as a big secret, as a mystery, because that's the initiation, right? Like they initiate you into their system of symbolism and into their weird literal, like their, their weird Gnostic knowledge, which is a very literal interpretation of everything. It's all intellectual. It has nothing to do with, with the noose. And so I don't think a lot of people, even though, like there's some agents and shills or whatever that might not even know what they're doing is wrong. They might be genuinely just doing their job, but because there's, like I said, there's this spirit of pre-less taking over the world, this spiritual delusion. So some people are just spiritually deluded and just following the breadcrumbs naively and maybe innocently. Like I don't blame these people. I know from experience, like I was in the same boat, you know, I think I was being used to promote this Saturn time cube simulation crap. I mean, I still believe that there, I still believe that like Saturn is like this weird occult thing. And I think there's some truth to all that stuff, but I don't believe in the literal view that it's a, a matrix controlled by Saturn or any of that anymore. Like I didn't even know at the time that that idea comes from the theosophists. Like there's some, it's all we've been, we've been psyoped. Yeah. Well, you know, you make me feel like I'm probably guilty of being somewhere in there as well. And I'm just trying to do what I can, but I do acknowledge what you're saying is, is kind of interesting. So it's like, they want you to be initiated into fig feeling like you figured something out, but it was laid out for you to figure out. So you could feel smart when you're really quite dumb story of my life to tell you the truth. But I wanted to ask you about this other picture here. So you say apparently France is gifting America, another statue that will be even bigger than lady Liberty. The picture below is a scale model of the guardian of Liberty, which will go up in 2026 to celebrate America's hundred or 250th birthday. It will also be made of titanium. So it can last millions of years. Oddly enough, the guardian of Liberty is based on the Greek God Atlas. And this news was announced right as the Atlas comet went behind the sun. Is there an occult connection here or just a coincidence? So I have the image up on the screen and it'll be in the show notes. I did not know this was happening. I did not know we were getting a new statue of Liberty like update. And this image, you know what? I can't help but say that to my simple stoner mind, if you've seen the meme of the blonde girl sitting there on the couch where all the black guys are lined up with their white t-shirts and they're about to do the deed, that is exactly what this image looks like to me. It's like they modeled it after that meme. I don't know. But again, with the Titans and the Nephilim and the giants and the Greek gods, it's always something in that milieu. What is this, dude? So again, I think it's just more psychocalypse propaganda, schizo rage bait, like trying to get people to decode things. But I mean, I do think that the hidden message is that, yeah, the Titans or the Nephilim are returning. But again, there's two factions of these entities, the very obviously evil ones. I think they're programming people to expect like the return of the Nephilim, but we might appear to be saved by angelic entities from that. Like I said, I mean, is this making sense? No, it is making sense. It's just, you know, I have a lot of guests who talk along these lines and sometimes it's not exactly clear if they're describing an op that's being put out there or if they're describing what they see as the reality. But you are very clearly saying, no, this is like a scripted op, even these other layers that are beneath the surface, they are designed to suck you in and consider me sucked. So I wanted to ask this before we left. So you say, as for the upcoming year in 2026, you wrote Trump's new defense plan says his team will create a new National Guard response force, which will be mobilized across the U.S. for mass civil unrest by April, 2026. Why, though? What are they preparing for? What could cause riots all over the country? According to some ufologists, September 2026 is when humanity will finally make contact with extraterrestrials. According to others, this is when World War III will begin. Yikes. Well, what do you expect the next year or even just the rest of this presidential term to look like? I have no idea, but I think there's a potential for economic collapse. Finally, they'll do the grid attack, PSYOP, and all these different things. And if society collapses, I think the way Trump will appear as the fake, fake savior, the fake Antichrist, is that he will restore society, introduce the mark. Maybe these AI aliens will be part of their new world order or whatever. You know, I mean, if all this technology goes back to John Dee and the Watchers, like, what are the Watchers watching? It's a surveillance state, right? So they're going to create this dystopian thing where, but people, I think certain people will be pulled into it because it will solve all of their monetary problems. But then, again, there will be a bunch of people who rebel against the Antichrist, which is, that's just not how it works. The Antichrist will be loved by the world. But, you know, don't you see how, when that happens, people are going to be like, no, I'm not getting chipped with, with the digital idea or any of that. Like, no one's going to want to do that. Well, see, that's the weird thing though, is like, there's so many people that you will find people who will do anything. Like, we may think it's ridiculous to get a Neuralink or to go the direction of transhumanism. But when I go to Whole Foods, they have a device right there where you can pay by scanning your palm. There's some people using that, enough people that they've installed them everywhere. So to me, when it's like the Antichrist will be loved, it's like, yeah, well, even if it's loved by 30% of the population, that's millions and millions of people. Yeah. But okay. So the, back to the Alice Bailey thing, in order for them to create their enlightened utopia, the first new world order, the, you know, how I said that there was two that she talked about. Mm-hmm. The purpose of the first one is to literally depopulate the earth of the unenlightened. So only people who are initiated into their Gnostic occult symbolism will be able to see the fake apocalypse happening, right? The people that are initiated are not going to go along with any of these narratives that they're telling you not to go along with if you just go on X, right? My whole X timeline is just everyone saying, oh, there's a Zion, there's a Zion, there's an Antichrist. Yeah. I think the purpose of the first new world order is to, to kill a quote unquote normies. I mean, I don't actually look at people that way, but this is the way that they're kind of programming us to see things. So get rid of the normies. And then the next stage is the new age where the enlightened masters return and everyone's enlightened and there's no more beast system and there's no more hive mind. Yeah. It's, it's the population thing. And like the COVID vaccine was just a test run. It was in order to divide us and basically create the conspiracy culture. Like that was the purpose of COVID in my opinion, was to really separate the enlightened from the normies. And now, and now we'll be like the final nail in that coffin, I guess. Right. Well, I also see another layer to it where they were willing, they saw the money going away from legacy media. So they were willing to completely burn it down by losing all credibility during COVID to a lot of people, obviously some still drink the Kool-Aid. You can't ever get them to stop, but then they took those figures and installed them in the alternative media. Now you got Tucker Carlson doing shows that sound a lot like our first interview. And that's interesting because they're trying to rebuild that credibility by putting these people out into a different space. And again, Candace is kind of one of them. So I, yeah, I guess you just got to be careful who you believe and what you trust, but if they are going to have a new big kind of event next year, I definitely could see people galvanizing around Trump just because he's a strong parental figure when people are on unsure footing. I mean, look what they did to Giuliani during nine 11. They exalted him, made him look like way less of a doofus than he turned out to actually be with the hair dye dripping down his face and all that goofy shit. So they can really make anybody look any, which way they want. And yeah, he might be the internet blackouts Giuliani, but the thing I think is kind of interesting about the internet blackout. I obviously have to think about that. My whole bread and butter and income and the way I support my family comes from the internet. Troublesome as that may be there. You like, this is one of their main tools. Like if they're really trying to do things like onboard everyone to cryptocurrency and control all the narratives through the algorithms, don't you need that to be like totally stable? Don't you need people to believe that that would never go away? If the internet were to go down next year, you're not going to get people onboarded to crypto. You're not going to get people to do the digital ID because they're going to be like, look how flimsy that is. Well, I think it'll be a new internet. It'll be a whole new internet. A controlled one that you'll need your digital ID to log into. Your bank account will be hooked up to your digital ID and all of your business, all of your income will happen mostly online for everybody. But if you don't plug into the system, you won't be able to do anything. You'll just be an outcast. Right. So basically just a controlled temporary blackout to then say, well, clearly you see what can happen. We need all these safety measures. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I put stock in that possibility. Crazy time to be alive, obviously. And I guess your best advice is just to find God. Yeah. I know that's not going to be very convincing to some people, but. Well, I think they've heard it before. Yeah. It's cliche. It's definitely cliche. Sometimes the cliches end up being true. People say them for a reason. Mm hmm. Awesome. Well, this has been a real treat to talk to you again. I'm glad that you found something that resonates with you that feels authentic when there are really so many deceivers and fake cults to get sucked into. Any parting words of advice, any links to give them or new material they should expect from you before we call it in? Honestly, just read Orthodoxy and the Religion in the Future. All right. I'm on my way. Cool. Awesome, man. Yeah. Thank you. You've navigated the darkness. You found the light and you live to tell the tale. So I appreciate you. Take care. Okay. Sweet Jesus. That was a wild ride. And I know not everyone is active on Twitter or follows up on the guests that come on, but Nick is someone that I've probably had a few dozen people ask me about over the last couple of years. Like what's going on with Nick? Why hasn't he posted his posts? Maybe seem a little bit doom spirally. Well, there were times when I did check in on him and he let me know that he was okay. And he seemed thankful when I did that. I think that might be part of why he agreed to getting back in the game with me in particular. But as I said, I'm glad he found some sort of fulfillment, purpose, meaning all those words. Conspiracy and occult research are perilous games. I don't need to tell you that. People also ask me about Christian Westbrook, the Ice Age farmer. He was gone for a long time and he came back and was just like, Hey guys, I'm not Ice Age farmer anymore. I'm unshadowed. And he's trying to rebuild under this new brand focused mostly on the surveillance state technocracy stuff. I understand the need to pivot when your whole thing is the global food supply is collapsing tomorrow. And then a few years goes by and it hasn't really happened, but I don't know about the rebrand. I don't know why people do that. It's hard enough to build a following once I say another one that comes to mind that people ask me about is Marty leads. I think he still has his Gnostic church going strong. I'm not exactly sure, but to the best of my knowledge, he's doing just fine doing his thing. And another one that comes to mind is Michael Joseph. He's one curious about myself. I know that we did some great interviews and he basically was just going deep into trying to figure out which was the best path for him spiritually. Is it a more occult path because that's what's been demonized by the system? Or is it more of a Christian interpretation of all the big ideas? And I think he decided on Christianity and then kind of stopped making content to throw out one more that people ask me about, I should mention Freeman. I did text him not long ago. He unfortunately got hit with one of those big bad hurricanes that we had last year and he lost a lot of things. I think he lost his home and a lot of possessions and that sucks. He hasn't really felt super motivated to make a bunch of content to the best of my knowledge. I think he's kind of in a down place. And I know his podcast feed is somewhat active because he frequently reposts shows from his archive, but I don't know if he's recorded anything lately. Either way, a person's life is not just about how much content they produce online, but I also understand we get to know these folks and we appreciate their insights and we like their research. And when they disappear, we wonder why. And Nick falls into that category for a little while, but I am glad he has re-emerged. I do consider him one of the best. He has a real knack for finding some of the best untapped veins in conspiracy land, you know? Even with his pivot towards orthodoxy, he still manages to have really unique takes in a crowded space like this Psypocalypse premise. I just liked it. I know I'm guilty of having times where I've worried a bit too much about having a guest make all the right points and have all the right takes because I really don't like when a guy like John Perkins, who has a lot to share on the economic hitman stuff, goes on a tangent about how vaccines are saving indigenous lives and we have to keep flooding Central America with vaccines and we got to stop climate change and all this kind of stuff. I'm never going to like that, but I've loosened up around that kind of thing a little bit because it's not that serious. We want to talk about serious things, but I guess I should say it's not that consequential that somebody doesn't agree with us on one thing or another. And it's actually somewhat interesting to see where people's knowledge base, you know, goes really deep in one area and then takes a hard right in another. And you see them kind of adopting a mainstream corporate propagandized viewpoint on something that is outside of their wheelhouse, you know? And, uh, I guess they don't have to check all the boxes is what I'm saying. It's less important to me. All that is just to say that I considered Nick really one of the guys who is great at this, whatever it is we do here. And I don't have to tell anyone that I'm not enthusiastic about a pivot to any religious ideology, but I try to stay open-minded and actually not make any judgments until he explained what brought him to this. And in the end, I do like to try to find common ground with everybody and I'm never going to adopt any political or religious label ever again in my life, but I can find the overlaps and the resonant areas of most ideologies when compared with my own hodgepodge self cobbled together belief structures. I just care that the show is not boring really. And on that front, I think Nick is always going to pass the test. Even in his orthodoxy arc, I kid Nick, I kid. And, uh, I'm happy that he found something positive to be excited about. We should really all be so lucky excitement and enthusiasm for anything are kind of scarce commodities these days, if you ask me. So I'm not going to try to sour anybody's lemonade. Very synchronistic too, that I happen to have the book of the saint that resonated so deeply with him too, right on my shelf. I thought I was going to be rolling my eyes, but instead I'm picking out a book from the chaos of this unorganized bookshelf and being like, wow, I paid money to purchase this book somewhere along the line because someone that I thought had good opinions about things told me to get it. And here you are talking about it. Funny how the world works out. He does somewhat seem to be in transition though in his life. So getting this interview done technically was a bit of a challenge. We always try to edit out any logistical stuff and interruptions that come up, but Nick was on his phone in his car sitting in a parking lot to do this interview, but we made it work regardless. That's just an interesting fact. I also tried giving a lot of context and cliff notes from that last interview because it is so damn good. Very fun. AI did kind of pop up all around us and Nick was talking about it before any of that happened and filling in a lot of the occult context very early to boot, but check out that last show if you want even more because I really liked his Tyler stuff in particular. I think I said that though in this interview, but this was the first one where I was looking at my schedule and just the day of the morning of I thought, you know what? I called the studio and said, I'm not coming in. I'm not sure we can get this recorded in the current state of what you guys got going on there. And so I cobbled some stuff together here on my own and I just recorded it from home and not to get too behind the scenes on you guys, but I bought an upgraded nice Mac studio. So I could process these two hour 4k video files without taking all day. And I also upgraded to the studio display. It's like a $1,500 monitor. So I expected the webcam that is in it to be a bit better than it actually is. I used it for this interview and I liked it at first, but it had some sort of AI smoothing or something that I think makes me look like I'm wearing makeup and I can't seem to get it turned off. Everything I read says you can't turn it off, which seems so silly, but regardless, I'm not going to use that again. I think I was naive to think that a built-in webcam is going to be enough for me, but with the price of the monitor, I thought maybe it would be maybe $1,500 just isn't what it used to be. I also tested out the two camera view. If you saw that, I don't know if we need that. Seems like more work for my guy for really no reason. I did upgrade my mic and I will be using a different file for my side of these recordings going forward. So I think that's already been improved too. I'm really kind of rusty on the home setup and having to dial it all in myself and I had to pivot last minute, but it is what it is. I also do think the sharing of the screen live instead of adding things in post is a lot better because I just want full control over where and when something we're talking about is going to pop up on the screen, I think that's reasonable. I don't mean to overthink it or over explain it to you guys and listeners definitely don't find this relevant, but I'm just trying a couple of different things and I will settle on the best options after getting some more home recordings under my belt, but it shouldn't be all that noticeable in the end product anyway. So I don't know why I'm telling you. I guess just because you'll see some differences along the way, but give it three or four episodes and we should have something streamlined. Either way, I'm happy with the interview we got and the circumstances didn't really take away from the content too much, I don't think. And if you didn't see the specific images in the show of the Trump ballroom and the comparison to the temple of Solomon, it's worth a look on Nick's feed or I'll also put it in the show notes. The first hour heats up nicely and the second hour full on cooks as the kids say. Some of the topics we talked about would include the symbolism of architecture and the Nephilim, his personal encounters with the occult and dark energy. We could say the nature of love and spiritual warfare, the rebirth of Atlantis plan and the new world order, moralism versus holiness, AI psychosis and the digital age, all sorts of tangents and great takes from Nick, all these little insights peppered throughout. Come on into the deep refreshing waters of the extra hour and soak in the great salt bath of conspiracy podcasting that is the Higher Side Chats Plus or something like that. Also, Nick did have some thoughts after the show that he wished he had remembered to fit in and I'm happy to play the game of telephone and tell you about them now. The world loves its own, said the Lord. The works of Western authors written in this state of self-delusion attract an enormous number of readers. They're translated repeatedly into various languages and enjoy much praise. Works seeping with deadly poison are approved of and recommended while the writings of the Holy Fathers are forgotten. The true path of life recognized from days of old is no longer respected. Their writings are criticized and said to contradict and disagree with Holy Scripture. This is so because the Holy Fathers were under the direction of the Holy Spirit because they renounced the wisdom of the world so as to attain the wisdom of the wisdom of the Spirit. In vain are the attempts of those who go against the teachings of the apostles, who go against the teachings of the church, endeavoring to enter the wisdom of the Spirit by means of the wisdom of the world. He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. Having fallen, great was the fall thereof. They want to explain things spiritual according to the darkened, reasoning powers of the soul. The spiritual, as it appears in the works of the Holy Fathers, seems strange to them, contradicting Holy Scripture. Spiritual things are compared with spiritual things, said the Apostle Paul. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. There you go. And this is also something he didn't want to leave you without. This comes from his Twitter feed and his own words, but he says, in antiquity, some Eastern mystics followed the Tao, a word that means the way or even the Logos. So it seems certain ancient ascetics were able to experience at least a glimpse of the transcendent. In fact, all religions point towards the transcendent. Even nature points towards its maker, hence the wisdom of natural philosophy. All these systems contain some good and true things, but when the transcendent creator of all that is good and true incarnated as a man, when the Tao became flesh, he took what was right from every system and combined them into a universal religion we could call the church. The perennial philosophy already exists. And his cherry on top, fun fact, was this request that I mentioned that Crowley was actually raised in the Christian cult that popularized dispensationalism! Triple exclamation point. And just to remind you what that means, dispensationalism is a theological system that interprets the Bible as a series of distinct historical eras or dispensations through which God administered his will. Its two main distinctions are a literal interpretation of scripture, especially prophecy, and a view that God has separate plans for ethnic Israel and the church. This perspective believes in a future role for national Israel and often includes a pre-millennialism view where Christ will reign for a literal thousand-year period on earth. Okay, so Crowley was raised in that sort of worldview. Basically, the apocalypse cult mindset most of this show is about. That's going to screw anybody up. Well, I'm glad we could reconnect and that Nick's back to doing what he does so well. What else can I say? In higher side news, outside of re-establishing my processes and upgrading my equipment and tweaking my workflow, I'm still waiting on the last two episodes I recorded from the studio. It's been almost four weeks and I can't get these shows turned around. I don't have access to them. It's very frustrating. I'm sure I'll have gripes with the editing when it does come in or when they come in, but we just need to plow through this transition and re-establish dominance. I'll also say that the latest solo show also really moved the plus needle a lot, more than any interview I can remember. So now I'm in this weird headspace where I've been trying to increase plus subscriptions through making the website better and adding the tokenized RSS feed and making it all more convenient to be a member. And then going to this elaborate studio setup and launching video, all these big over-the-top expensive things when people really just want me to talk into a microphone more often. It's bizarre that I didn't come up with that sooner, but this latest knife of God cattle mutilations presentation truly surprised me. At least the, you know, the results of it, there's always a small bump on the days of a new interview, but about as many people leave each day as come in, you know, we're at least maintaining what they call our churn rate to use an industry term, but I now know the results are in and talking about Ian's book for 45 minutes by myself netted probably 10 X more subs. And if I had just released a regular interview with them, isn't that weird? Have I been doing this wrong all along? The two biggest plus bumps in the last five years are definitely the two solo shows. I need to find a good sub branding for those. I think I thought about calling them the THC cliff tokes like the cliff notes or a book of a book or an idea, but that's kind of lame and cringy. And, uh, I just liked it because it worked with the THC scheme. Maybe solo show is fine. I thought about a series called the dead man's book club, but not every solo show will be a presentation about a dead guy's book. And I don't need like four different sub brands, but maybe there's something in there. It'll come to me. Joint sessions was so, so good. It's a stoner pun. It's a political pun. And it described what it was. Oh, hard to nail it like that again. But I did talk to Gordon white a little bit about that knife of God premise. I thought of him because I always liked his analogy for the missing four one, one national park stuff, where he would say just by organizing national parks, the way we have, we might've trained a spiritual predator to find food there. Like we train seagulls to go after trash cans or train bears that way or whatever. We design our habitats or develop our habits and the natural and spiritual life out there adapts to that stuff with its own observations and goes where the food ends up being. So the fact that we talked about that previously, I thought that if he checked this out, that he'd have some thoughts and I knew he would appreciate that it is more from that metaphysical spiritual approach rather than literal, but he did say that he considers it to be a much better take that it's not an angry God. It's more like spirits engaging in what they had been engaging in for thousands of years, hunting ceremony relations, broadly speaking. I actually thought about this after we were done recording and that's how it always goes, right? You wrap up something and you're like, damn it. I should have said this, that, and the other. Obviously Nick had some things he wanted me to add just moments ago, but I had this one thought after we were done where I was considering more of the rebirth of pan stuff that I read, but human groups engaging with the spirits have almost always centered around the hunt and food and this sort of stuff. So maybe we're looking at cattle mutilations all wrong. Maybe it's not even supposed to be seen as scary because to an indigenous tribe who performs a lengthy, intense, emotionally draining ritual ceremony, calling on the spirits to help improve the hunt and put the wind at their back on this next hunting trip. I mean, to have a cow killed and drained of all its blood in a way that scavengers and insects and maggots don't bother it. And then you have a light in the sky lead you to it. Is that a gift rather than a curse? Does it just scare us because we're so removed from our food supply and natural processes and these engagements that we kind of think, Oh, dead cow equals scary equals demonic spirit warning and a coming apocalypse. No one ever really thinks about it that way, but don't butchers drain the blood first thing when they get a kill. Isn't that part of animal processing and preservation even, especially like in a natural environment like that without refrigeration or a meat locker, like you would want to kind of do something to it that would keep it from rotting. And doesn't that qualify? Hmm. Wouldn't it be hilarious if spirits think that they're just fulfilling the requests of the traditional people of the land? And it's this positive relationship that's running on fumes and seeming to be extra bizarre when it's occurring outside of the right part of the timeline. Wouldn't that be funny that we would be the ones who don't have any context for how things have worked here for so long? These are the thoughts I wish I had included pretty much simpatico with the brief back and forth I had with Gordon. I was three fourths of the way there, but hearing from him really put me over the edge on some of that stuff. Less paranoid perspectives on things are probably always good. In particular, the why of the cattle mutilation phenomenon. Now, I think we really do have kind of the absolute best answer on what cattle mutilations are with that sort of stuff. Even the quote I read about perfectly surgically removing one of the cow's stomachs without damaging the connecting parts or causing the guts to spill out or the bile. I mean, that's what ruins meat, right? When you butcher an animal, if you're inexperienced, I remember hearing that if you disturb the contents of the stomach or the bile or whatever, you can easily ruin the meat if you don't know what you're doing. So to be led by a light in the sky to a fresh kill that's half prepared, does this not seem like it might be not a bad thing to the right person? I'm into that idea. Either way, check it out if you're a plus member. The data is interesting and what started is just a fresh take on an old tired paranormal trope kind of turned into an expose on researchers who go over the edge. I didn't say this explicitly either, but just listen to the tone of his delivery in the first clips I shared versus the last one. In the last one, he sounds like the damn Joker flipping the light switch on and off talking about I thought about appearing on camera. I mean, he doesn't sound well. Maybe he's just trying to put some stank on it. Maybe he's just trying to be entertaining. I don't know, but he doesn't seem as objective or academic as he did in the first couple of clips that he made on that subject. Just interesting. And thanks for listening. If you did, there will be more solo presentations. I mean, how could there not be with these results? They're also pretty fun for me. I like having full control over how material is presented. Sometimes a guest doesn't actually take my lead very well. And it's always really frustrating because I have this whole elaborate thing planned out and I'm not perfect, but I do think I have a good strong sense of narrative and interview structure and the order that things should come out in and the pacing, all things that I sort of have to trust with guests that I've for the most part never met before. And they have to trust me too. But either way, it's hard to have that right from minute one. My intros help, but not always. And I can actually kind of sometimes curate content better when I'm just on my own. Depends on the subject matter, you know, depends on how deep we're going on just giving the flow of a book versus like trying to extract more from a person than what was on the page. But the five interviews a month are always going to be the bread and butter around here. Don't you worry. But I want to do more of my own thing because it seems like that's what other people want and it's going to happen. Sign up for plus and catch up. I've also added the full list of like 30 songs that I've made this year that I end the show with. Some people like them and all it takes is a plus membership and you can download them all on the bonus content page. So I'm a really happy man this week, feeling super charged up by a job that was feeling a little bit routine. I was caught up in a little bit of drama and I don't like the inconsistency and having to make changes quickly, but whatever, I'm feeling pretty good overall. And as for the review of my knife of God presentation right now, would you believe that it's sitting at a 4.9? I think people are just being nice to me and trying to encourage me to do it more. I don't think it's actually a 4.9 presentation. Maybe it is. Who am I to say? But the audience aggregate review doesn't lie. People who checked it out liked it. Now, as for the last real THC episode, that would be Steve and Chris Crimi. I've said it both ways. I didn't ask. It's a five letter last name. It's embarrassing to not be able to just say it and have to ask. I think it's Crimi. Chris Crimi flows really well. I don't know, but I like them a lot. It's got a 4.5. I know it was a little disjointed and not as well structured as I would have liked. I don't think that they got the best me to lead the dance that particular day on top of other issues, but I will take a 4.5 with the circumstances we had. It might've taken a little more engagement to get them, but there are some really good insights that they laid down in there. And I just love them. Really good people. And I'm not just saying that because they keep sending me books, but they do. And now for the meetup calendar. So we got one coming up on November 29th in Austin, Texas, the Austin Beer Works Rune Soup THC crossover event. Love to see it. And then December kicks off crazy. December 2nd, Printer's Alley in New York, New York. Never been. Want to go. Before it all falls apart and particularly. December 3rd, the very next day, the Heart Bar in Brooklyn, New York. Wow. Two Brooklyn events within 24 hours of each other. And then December 4th, we're going to the other coast for an LA event at the Coral Tree. And December 6th, Vancouver, Washington, the Double Barrel Tap House. Okay. Higher side meetups.com. Always nice to go and meet like-minded locals. I'm sure there'll be a lull as we get into the second half of December, but man, the first week is pretty packed. It's never a bad time to meet cool people living in the same environment as you who also happen to have some of the same thoughts and opinions. So grab some drinks and just talk shop. It's also probably been like a full year since I mentioned the merch on the air. I just don't say much about it, but there are some really cool designs at the higher side, clothing.com THC thing. I was all about it for a while there. And yeah, pillows, uh, shirts with that on it, uh, for the people who aren't watching, I just pointed to a poster on my wall. That is a pirate ship sailing the vast conspira sea. It's one of my favorite designs actually, but anyway, some really wild and amazing designs by some really talented artists can be found there based on the themes of the show. Some quite deep themes, some based on in particular episodes where the content was extremely unique. And now there's a designed t-shirt based around one episode of one podcast. I don't know. You'll love them though. And that's about it. Nick Hinton is the man. So humble, so gracious. I wish him all the best things in life. Your move, Christian cult leaders, doomsday LARPers and soldiers of the Psypocalypse. Your fucking move. Is it accidental how things end up? Or is life ritually planned right from the jump?