Patrice Chaplin | The Portal Of Mount Canigou, The Magic Square Of Venus, & The Secrets of Girona

All right, just a little added context for this one. Before we dive in, you know I've been interested in Patrice and her experiences with Mount Cantagu and the portal ever since the conversations with Richard Stanley and Miguel Conner, who I think was the first one to tell me about this. Miguel's got a couple good interviews with Patrice as well, if you're compelled to hear more. But I didn't think this was going to happen. She's 85 years old. She's been talking about this for years as it is, so I thought this would be one of those things I could only talk around with other guests rather than with her directly. But I asked Miguel and he contacted a friend of Patrice's from publishing named Sochi, and Sochi and I talked quite a bit about all sorts of weird stuff. She happens to live less than an hour from me, and maybe she ends up being a THC guest sometime too. Who knows? But Sochi does get mentioned a few times, so there's a little info about who she is, but she got me in contact with Patrice and we got it done. And that's all good to know, but the reason I would preface this interview at all is that we had to do it in chunks. The first and second chunks were the same day, so I think that flows together just fine. But we had to record a third chunk about a week later, and without saying that up front, it would just come off as weird. You can imagine, after a week, there's a little bit of, did I say this last time, and I can't remember if we talked about X, Y, or Z, etc. So as we always do, we cleaned it up to be as smooth as possible, and first our listeners won't really notice, but for the Plus members who do get the full two-hour show, there is a split around an hour and 20 minutes, and then the last 40 minutes was recorded a week later and it was all stitched together. Not exactly ideal, but the good thing about it is I had a week to reflect on what I would ask in a follow-up, and that's not something I typically get to do. Either way, I'm just happy it happened at all. Thanks to those who helped. It's a fascinating story. Hope it stands out to you like it has for me. Enjoy. The planet's puppet masters almost surely have a plan. There's clearly maybe something there beyond the realm of man. And until we've thoroughly tested every last close-chested view, I find the more we think we know, the less we really do. Where would we be to us just don't know? Brace yourself, people. From the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood, and even though the shapers of Western culture have worked hard over the centuries to maintain a materialist model for the masses and cultivate a deep ignorance of the spiritual or multidimensional aspects of the self and the world at large, leaving many mysteries on the table, there are numerous paths for the individual to find their way to true knowing at any given time they choose. Entheogens, meditation, astral travel, lucid dreaming, remote viewing, and an esoteric toolbox of techniques and practices that can break through the programming, the fear of death, and the constant devaluing of the self that conveniently convinces many people that it's okay to live an unfulfilling life, making numbers go up in some arbitrary position that only accumulates more wealth for the already wealthy. They've had a good thing going for quite some time, and anything that threatens to break the model is often suppressed, mocked, or demonized. And in a pre-industrial world, it's easy to see how many of the big secrets and mysteries would relate to breaking this programming and achieving individual gnosis. Well, several of life's big mysteries are covered in great detail in the memoirs of today's guest, Patrice Chaplin, who found herself initiated into a Kabbalistic tradition preserved since the Middle Ages by a secret society headquartered in Girona, Spain, that included members like Salvador Dali, Jean Cocteau, possibly Howard Hughes, and many others. Secrets that include man's true relationship with the spiritual, physical, and cosmic, magical rites and rituals that can affect one's reality, a being of light crash landing on Earth thousands of years ago, and the existence of real, natural portal places like the one found on the summit of Mount Canegu, equidistant between Girona and Rennes-le-Chateau. Her story on this is told across the three books City of Secrets, The Portal, and The Stone Cradle, but that's not all. She's also made a career as an internationally renowned playwright and author who's published more than 27 books, plays, and short stories in total. It is a true honor and a pleasure to be getting into this with her first hand, the City of Secrets scribe, portal place revealer, and bona fide multi-dimensional traveler, Patrice. Welcome to THC. Hello. Thank you, Greg. It's a really good intro. I mean, I hope I can live up to it. Oh, you can. This is really something special. We talk so much on this show about mysteries and portals in a broad sense, but rarely does someone so thoroughly describe exactly where one is and publish their entire step-by-step journey through the initiation that took them through it. I've really been captivated by this story and all the little bits of wisdom peppered throughout it. For people who are new to this, a guide from The Secret Society took you on an elaborate journey through 11 sites that are derived from a magic square, which looks a lot like a Sudoku puzzle, where all the numbers in each direction add up to the same number. This is all connected to the Venus square in particular, and the number seven, and the path of these sites mirrors Ursa Major. It gets quite complex, but it culminated in the climb up Mount Cantigny and... Canigou. Canigou. Cantigou. Okay. I knew I was going to struggle with these French pronunciations and the names and all this stuff, but this mountain, you had your own astral travel through the portal. You say it can take you to different places and different times, but elaborate on that for us. When the portal takes up a person in their etheric body, of course, not the physical body, how is it different from other forms of astral travel or entheogens like magic mushrooms and these sorts of things? Does it take everyone to someplace different? I imagine it does. I would think it would not take you to a part that was not relevant to the journey. The idea of the journey is to expand what you know and to make your life, I guess, better and different and wider and larger and you can go further and do more here rather than be stuck in some ideas, which they might be okay for a while, but they can be a lot better. And it can also take away a great deal of fear and a life without fear is worth having, isn't it? Yes. Yes. That is a big thing with all these methods of getting out of the body is getting rid of the fear of death. Our culture really doesn't talk about death and doesn't like these practices. They're often very suppressed. So when you do have a breakthrough experience and realize, hey, I'm actually a soul in a body, not just a body. I'm really using this body and this life as kind of a container and maybe a chapter in the larger story of my soul life. And that is a powerful thing. You live life with more meaning. And that's probably a big part of this journey for you, right? I think probably beings, let's call it beings rather than people, I think did use portals a lot going back way before the Sumerians and probably going back before the dolmens. That's where the first evidences have been found and are stored and kept away from people who would use them, probably be excited to use these materials, but then to use it and not fare well doing it, it's not a good idea. I mean, so in a way, things are kept secret because people don't understand them and wouldn't unless you've done the work of preparation. So in a way, it's for our own, I guess, safety that we don't go looking for portals and going through them. I think it has to be a well-thought-out process and something has to be given to arrive at getting something back. And you have to develop a lot before you do a journal. But some people do it and they record it as they go along. And you see, the basic thing about a portal is it's all about timing. So you have to know when to come back and you go back through the north. Remember your north, south leads to death. So really, you've left your body outside the portal, your physical body, and your intuitive, etheric body goes through. But you're going into different and unexpected areas of pre-life, if you like, past lives, other energies. So it's like a very large dream that you never forget. I suppose everyone's had a portal dream in their lives, I guess, I'm sure. And they think, well, that was pretty unforgettable and I really do need a drink after that one. What was that about? You know, or they run off to their shrink and they talk about it, or they have a sense that they've come out of their body and they're walking into another room and can hear people and then see them. They can't know those people because they were 20 years ago. They're all dead. The thing about the portal is time, what did happen, what you have to understand to, one, to get rid of, two, to have the gratitude and adventure to meet somebody who may have known you in a previous life or may be very valuable for this one. But what you come out with, as long as you remember to come back via the North and in time, then you've learned quite a lot and had an experience that somehow takes away the fear and the limitations too of fear and gives a bigger story. Now, what do you do with that? How do you react to suddenly coming back from somewhere and you feel what I've got here isn't, you know, it's not enough? Right. So with a mystery as big and ancient as Rennes-le-Chateau, there's just so many threads and narratives that it can be really hard to sort out. And I think that's probably by design. If you have something you want to keep secret and people start kind of getting an idea that there's something there, well, you maybe make a cover story and then send people off in different directions. And that seems to be why there are so many threads about Rennes-le-Chateau, like the Merovingian bloodline and the Priory of the Elders of Zion. And it revolves around the mystery of this priest, Berenger Saunier. Saunier, yeah. Saunier. Again, I read these words a thousand times. I don't say them very often. Yeah, well, you say them, all right? Yeah. Thank you. We know who he is. Yes. To quote your book, the poor priest in the rundown church in a little known village of southern France could hardly eke out a living. His account books showed a hand-to-mouth existence. Then one morning, without explanation, he became fabulously rich. The year was 1891 and he was 38 years old. How did he get the money? What had he done? The answer to those questions has been a mystery ever since. And in the last three decades, a source of continuing speculation, producing books, TV documentaries, and the basis for the novel and film of Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code. Well, you go on to say after a short career as a priest, he was eventually placed in the rundown parish of Rennes-le-Chateau. And then with the donation from a member of the Habsburg dynasty, he began to repair and restore the church. In 1891, while removing the altar columns, he discovered four scrolls, two with coded messages. These, it appears, were the source of his wealth. He took the scrolls immediately to the church of Saint-Sulpice in Paris, and while they were being examined, was introduced to esoteric and secret societies. Was this where the involvement with a mystery unholy and still not resolved began, you ask? And that's very interesting. Then you go on to talk about, in 1792, the priest who was at Rennes-le-Chateau actually hid the four scrolls in the altar column because the French Revolution was happening, and he put it there for someone in the future to understand. So we know how the scrolls got there, and we know who found the scrolls, but talk to us about what the scrolls contain and how this ties into the mystery of his overnight wealth. Did he sell the scrolls, or is it stranger than that? No. The Habsburgs wanted him to find and then to give to them what he found, which was in the church. And so the price was a big price. They paid him, but he wasn't allowed to leave. And the thing was, with all that money and, well, excessive money, he thought he expected, I mean, he looked forward to a pretty good life. He was an attractive man. People liked him. You know, he was sought after. And he loved travel and the excitement that, you know, he'd found in Paris. And to be put, you know, for the rest of his life on top of a hill with a small church and quite a diminished group of people, really, around that area. I mean, you've got to think, years ago, it was in the hands of the Catalans, and it was massive. We had a load of soldiers there. It was a massively populated area. So now we've got the small area, and we've got him, his maid is there, and not much else. So he used to go off to Girona, which he had a very strong link with, which was part of the reason why he couldn't leave. But it became very clear. I did actually talk to a security agent in Catalonia who knew the story very well, because I said to him, what do you do if someone wants to leave, like the priest in Mano Chateau, and go off and have a pretty good time on a lot of money? How do you stop them? And he kind of looked at me as though I was missing a few dots on my dice for this one. And he said, you give him a picture, an illustration, by doing what will happen to him, but doing it to someone else. And then he sees that, and he thinks twice. So if you think about him, he was about to hop ship there, and then his neighbor, priest, was suddenly ritually killed and laid out in quite a substantial, ornate fashion. It wasn't like a killing, and no one could explain it, apparently, and nobody did explain it, apparently, but he sure decided not. He wasn't going anywhere. My guide who took me on the journey, the portal told me that he did understand very well that what happened to that poor man, who wasn't planning any kind of trips or travels much. He had something, obviously, that they used to say, well, to him, he wanted to do all that. So you've got the money, but you're in the hands of the giver. And also, he was very clever, and they wanted to use him to be able to uncover things that they wanted at that period of time. They certainly wanted the secret of why they have two towers, why they had the portal. These are things that would take them into other realms, other existences. And he, according to my guide, she was a very good, she was a capitalist, and she made it very clear that he understood he was bright. He was willing to do work. He wasn't just looking for the good times. But once he'd started on the journey, which I guess was when you took the money, then you had to do it. And he said he did. This makes a lot of sense. And you have to restore the context of the time. This is the only game in town. These are the deepest secrets and mysteries of human existence. And some people know about this astral travel, and essentially time travel, and ways to extract knowledge from these journeys. And they want that protected. And it's a very serious business. It is life and death. If you divulge the secrets, if you don't play your role, if you're initiated into this thing, it becomes all-consuming. And I can understand that at the time. I interviewed Richard Stanley about the Catalans and just the people who lived there at the time basically being genocided. And he thinks that these secrets and mysteries are a big part of why these people were genocided. The Vatican comes through, major empires and authorities, and bloodline families come through, and they want these secrets. They want this knowledge. And they'll kill anyone to get it. And that's why we have such mystique around it, and why it's so hush-hush even still, it seems. I think it wouldn't be as attractive as it is if it didn't, in the process, make the person have a wider existence and a wider thought pattern. It makes life, you know, as we know it in, you know, the usual terms, it makes it that kind of small, as I think I said before, you know, suddenly you're holding on to a much bigger life. And that is something you have to take care of, and also take care of yourself in there. You know, there has to be quite a lot of work done, Kabbalistic chanting, you know, work within the community to protect you. Yes, you write about singing at an exact tone. You write about a lot of meditation. As you're taken through the 11 sites that mirror the constellation of Ursa Major, you have to meditate and reflect at each one of these sites, and they kind of build up to the greater portal experience. All the sites aren't portals, but they are energetically potent, and it is an initiation journey that just culminates in this blast-off experience. And I understand the need for preparation, even with minor out-of-body things, they say, don't mess around with this stuff. Set and setting is very important. Preparation, you have to kind of know what you're doing, or you could lose your mind. Or as you told me in our prior conversation, some people without the right guidance have gone into the portal, and they cannot get back. No, that happens quite a lot, because they do the work. The portal, it's an aperture, it's open, it's either closed, you can't go in there. If it's open, you go in, and you've got your preparation, you've done weeks of preparation. A good guide would never let you near any of it unless you've really done the work. And you're usually, to some extent, chosen. A lot of people have gone, well, you go into the portal, and you work your way through, as you've been told, fear is not part of it. The unexpected is not to be handled badly, you know. You can't run out. Well, it's not even that sort, I don't think, in people's minds. You go through, because it's ultimately exciting. It's like going on a wizard's journey, you know. You're taken off, and you think, wow, this is fantastic. Oh, look at that shape. I've never seen that before. Wow. And then you're into another different realm. That is when it's get back. Remember the North, don't waste time, breathe back. And you know how to go back, because you've been doing that for some weeks. You've learned how to do the breathing, how to do the thinking, how to get yourself back into your body. And if you don't do it in time, then when you do go out, your body is closed off. It's done. It's finished. And the only one I knew that didn't have that ending, a body divorced from a spirit ending, a woman called Betty Balcom. She was a wonderful, she was a psychic. She read the future, she could give advice. She went into very different energies and dimensions, and she used to wear glasses, dark glasses, because her eyes were so powerful. She didn't want people to be alarmed by them, by the way she could see into that person. Now, she did this portal. She didn't do any of this stuff. She didn't do any prep, she didn't do any of that. But she simply went up a hill in Surrey, which is outside of London, England, yeah, and went up there and obviously had a feeling drawn to that place. This was where she could experience some of this. And she did find the portal, the upper tree was open, she went into the portal, and she didn't come back in time. So when she came back, body closed. But she knew the out-of-the-body stuff and all of that. They took her to the A&E emergency in the hospital, and she'd had a sort of stroke. But she came back from it. She came back into the body, got back in, and knew what had happened, and knew she wasn't ill, knew she shouldn't be in there. And she left and went home. The only thing different was, she was different. And when people saw her afterwards, she looked completely and utterly different to her she ever thought. And so she moved to London, she moved from that place in Surrey, she came to London. And I saw her, I didn't, I thought, you know, it's just like Betty Balcombe. It was Betty Balcombe, but not the one I knew. And she explained what had happened to her. And as far as I know, there are only two other people, and I'm talking about a small group of people here, because I don't know all the ones that have been through portals, that's for sure. But, you know, they have only maybe once managed to get back in through the top chakras. But you've got to make friends with your chakras, that's for sure. You're going through the highest one, and you can get back in. Yes. And you say at several points in the book that it is about timing. And you say that if you aren't initiated or you aren't looking for it, you won't even really see it. It might look like a slight disturbance, but it's not really something that's big or epic that everybody notices. It doesn't look like a giant wormhole. But I am curious if it looks like anything. And this aperture aspect, when it comes to the timing, part of it is the preparation of the individual, but is also part of it like a cosmic timing? It has to be a certain time of day or a certain time of year? That kind of thing? No, you've got to fix yourself, your journey, your experience in with the portal itself. That's for sure. You have got to have a guide that's someone who understands the whole terrain of what we're talking about. But we have to be aware of the two towers, because if we're not aware of them, we've got to know the landscape. And if you'd like to talk about that, maybe that would be vital. And one in Girona, one in Ren. Yes, I know our time is somewhat limited, but that is an important piece of the puzzle. I believe that the priest we talked about, he built the second tower. He went to Girona, saw the tower that's there, and then built a mirror, a twin image tower at Ren le Chateau, as part of that reconstruction we mentioned. And these two towers create the bookends of the portal, which is equidistant in a golden mean proportion between the two markers. So they are important. Except the golden mean is a bit different, apparently. It's a big fight about that lately. Because they say, no, it's not on the same energy line as the peak of the mountain. It's a little bit to one side. So it includes a certain person's property who probably would like to think that they're living in the portal. I'm sure they do. Well, that's the intention, was to mark that these are the bookends between an energy that wells up at the top of this mountain and becomes a portal. And I wanted to ask you about this, because there are spirit beings in the story, mainly this lady with the cup, sometimes referred to as the Magdalene, maybe how Grail got associated with all this to begin with. But the initiates used to call her up quite reliably until too many people noticed and the spot became too high profile. But what was the purpose of calling up this lady with the cup? More than just seeing the vision, right? No, to get other dimensions, to get other knowledge, to get magic, to get all kinds of dimensions that we normally don't have our hands on. No, we're not aware of. And she brought that through. So how did that work? She would show up and she would take people through? She wouldn't take them through portals, no. As far as I know, no. What she did do, which is very important, is she carried the cup. And the thing about what I've realized, I'm just realizing, is that these valuable vessels or relics like the Grail cup or this cup of the lady with the cup or otherwise sort of spears or even vessels which have been written about in the Bible, especially right now the Ark of the Covenant, that's come up very strongly, that maybe, and I think this is really exciting, is that maybe these A1 spiritual vessels, like the lady with the cup, the cup she's carrying, can over time transfer itself to another shape and another being. So in other words, and this is coming from, you know, hearing what other people who work in this field say is that the Ark of the Covenant could really be a different shape altogether. It could be a shape that was prior to one the Habsburgs had, and it could even go back further. I mean, we can't stop with the Habsburgs and think that's the ultimate magic or other dimensions, because that would be a bit slow, but it may be that it changes itself, because I thought there's quite a lot here. We've got the lady with the cup, we've got the stone cradle. Well, that is different, because that's sort of still there, and it has its own history, and the only question about that is, was who was actually coming astride that cradle when it came to us? Yes, I got questions about that. Yeah, we all got those questions, but I mean, it's slightly different to what these other vehicles of new and exciting dimensions, they bring things in, they don't bring bad stuff in. I mean, we might react badly to it, and close down and be alarmed or affronted by, I mean, the idea of the lady with the cup, which we've seen a lot in the 19th century, say 1890, when people used to go past the area behind the cathedral near where the tower was, and they would be going home from work, it would be nine in the evening, ten in the evening, and they'd suddenly walk into the lady with the cup. Well, that was very bad news, because they couldn't tell the church, they wouldn't believe it. If they ever tried to go near a kind of newspaper or anything, banned, newspaper, folded, closed, never written about, and they couldn't go to the preschool, couldn't even remotely hear it. So what did they do? They tried to avoid that path home from work. But it seemed that no matter what they did, the lady with the cup was visible in a way that she could not exist. So what they did finally, with the lady with the cup, was when she appeared, the last time that she appeared, that people actively saw her, many of them, was that the state changed it, and said it wasn't the lady with the cup, it was Jesus. And so the mark made inside the area where she appeared, which was like an arrow lightning, like a lightning strike. And it was a Jewish Kabbalist sign, and they changed that and made it Jesus' foot. And she had to go inside. I mean, I don't know if we're talking about prison or hospital, but she was told she couldn't come out as long as she acknowledged that she had not seen the lady with the cup, but she had seen Jesus. Yes, this puts a new context to a lot of the actions of the Vatican back in this day, the Crusades, the Inquisition. It seems like this is what they're after, and they also have to alter all these stories so that it conforms with their major story. And the secret society that you were initiated into, they basically say, look, we're trying to protect this stuff from getting into the wrong hands, people who would abuse it and exploit it. And that seems to be the story of the Vatican's conquest of that area, the killing of the Catalans, so many different cultures that were embedded in these environments being killed off because the Vatican wants these secrets. And if they can't get the secrets, then they want any stories about them to be altered. So no, you saw Jesus is who you saw, or you saw the Virgin Mary. You know, you can only see the characters in our story, and that's the only way it works. And so I understand how the secret society gets formed. I understand kind of why they get super vigilant about preserving this history and the story, because if it gets into the wrong hands, then it's done, and it'll be exploited, and that's that. So when you mentioned this thing about lightning, that is interesting because this is a quote from the book about what you were told by your guide about spirits. When a spirit on a high level approaches this earth, actual changes occur. Charred markings appear on the ground, left by the passage caused by the electric current as the spirit becomes manifest. Some people explain them away as lightning strikes. Yet why are they always the same pattern and one that has a Kabbalistic significance? Portal, doorway. Often when the spirit is present, water appears, either as a spring or a fountain. This is blessed, healing. Think of Lourdes and the vision that came to Bernadette, Sobiros, and the sudden spring of water that still heals today. In the 18th century, the Magdalene had appeared by the Baraka, and the fountain had gushed up in that dry space. So visions bring change to the environment, and the water that accompanies them is alive, not dead, and healing, not polluted. You will change your thinking, she said. Wow. I mean, that is so interesting. That's a lot of information about how spirits interact with the physical plane, and how the landscape actually can change and relate to a spirit's presence. I mean, that's fascinating. It is, but it's also quite scary as well, because, you know, it comes at a price. You know, how far into that are you going to go? That's the thing. And so whenever I've taken people on a journey like you've just described, and said some of what you said, you know, about, especially about the non-acceptance of what many people have seen, and it's undeniably there, but you can't have seen it, because it doesn't fit in with the story that they have. So what do you do with it? Do you just put it aside, not think about it? Think, yeah, I've got to be a thought pattern, if I'm thinking like that. Well, so do 200 other people out there who saw it. So what do you actually do with it? That's the thing, because in that particular area, it's quite bureaucratic, Girona especially, in Catalonia, and it also is in direct conflict with what's in the Bible. And I took a priest there, he's a Christian priest, a Catholic, and he kind of observed it. But I felt he didn't take it in, and he probably prayed a hell of a lot afterwards, because, you know, he didn't want to take the sort of things that were presented to him into his thinking and beliefs. Right. People don't like to have their worldview changed. No, and if they've made, you know, a sort of a definite commitment to a religion, to have this kind of happening in front of them, they would have to rewrite the script a bit. And also, they don't come for nothing. The spirit, the jars, the vessels, the beings holding a cup, they don't come in there just that they're there on that day, they come for a reason. And it is quite often to open people up to see more than they're living in. Quite often it's that. Because you can't deny that you saw it. You saw the vision, you saw the lady with the cup. You'd heard about it before, you didn't believe it. Other things you heard about were sound. Many sat in around Girona, the dimensions, encourage these appearances. They leave tracks for them to approach. And quite a lot of them are sound. They're not all visual. But the sounds can make you shiver. I used to work for the BBC and I took, I remember taking a recording outfit out there. And there was, luckily, that night, there was the sound of one of the Jews being captured before the expulsion. And they had a beautiful voice. And sometimes you could hear that voice. I think it was a female who had fallen in love with a soldier, something like that. And the voice would appear in the stones. And Girona is a place of stones. So there'd be a lot of stones for her to go in. But I did actually record it. And it came up on the recording. Huh. Wow. So in terms of preserving these secrets and the quest to attain them and who has access, I know the story doesn't start and end with the Habsburgs. But I am interested in other bloodline families who maybe seek this stuff out or who seek artifacts. Well, the CIA gets a mention in your book. I think maybe you were just speculating. And you were curious if, like, somebody was infiltrating the group. But these things happen. Do you have any knowledge of the CIA or other bloodline families still trying to attain this kind of stuff? I'm not mentionable. But I know certainly about SpaceX. They were very interested in the portals. I mean, Howard Hughes was very interested in the portals. And he'd been to Girona twice, at least. He went once in 1933. And the other time was in 1954, I think it was. And the second time I know he went after Ava Gardner because she was filming there in Girona, just well on the coast. And the first time, he went to see a German Kabbalist and devout writer of spiritual matters to see the portal. And they called him. They didn't know who he was. You know, these were farmers. They didn't know how he was. But he went into a bar and brought around the drinks, which made him memorable. But he drank milk, and he didn't drink alcohol. And they called the bar afterwards the American Milk Bar, changed its name. And he did a lot of work on that whole idea of portals and how to work through space. But I was questioned when the first book came out, City of Secrets, in 2007, I was questioned by people from the space agency. I don't know what else to call it. Surprisingly, it wasn't about who did I know, what did I see, what happened to me. No, it was had I come across an artificial portal. And I'd never heard of it. And I said, no. I'd only come across maybe two portals. I mean, that was about it. It was my own doing. Oh, no, one in Paris. That was by complete chance. But on the whole, no. And so it was what was an artificial portal like. And I had no idea. And then he said this, the man who spoke to me, he was very nice. He was very cunning. And he was looking for the good here to happen, not the reverse. And he went through how dangerous it had been for Howard to go making these kind of gaps in the space of life, you know. And he hadn't put in a protection, like, you know, if you're ill and you don't want the family to get the bug, you have to be kept in a room separate. You know, there has to be some care taken of what comes out. And he had made these portals in Mount Canigou, at the base of Mount Canigou, and brought in German scientists after the war. And they took them to America, and these artificial portals were present and had trapped something from outer space. Because things went out, but things came in. Because there was no protection. That was what he hadn't done. And so the man asked me if I knew what this being was of 50,000 years away. Um, I didn't. I mean, I don't, frankly, no. But this one had come through one of these portals and had left an image of what he would look like when he came to Earth, that we'd know him. And I thought it was an amazing story, and I believed it. I do believe it. But I have never seen an artificial portal. Though my guide had known many people who sought portals and knew what to look for and would go and trace the energies which made up a portal, would know from being on the outside, this is a portal area here, because the energies are very high. The temperatures are high and low, and they move around in a certain way. They could be defined. So these people actually even wrote books about it. And this was in the last century. Well, two centuries back, 1890, and the early 1920s. So there was, you know, other people involved in it. Well, it's very interesting that you would get approached by someone from SpaceX or from the space agencies. It wasn't that name. It was the other name that was there then. I'm going back, 2007. It was prior SpaceX. Okay. Well, just people who are involved in space exploration or attempts to get there, it's interesting that they would be so preoccupied with portals because their whole focus is to traverse space in a physical sense. And then here you have these portals. This seems to be the way you really traverse space is not in a physical way. But they seem to know that. And there seems to be some overlap between their interests and, obviously, exploration for exploration's sake. But I wonder if some of these people start to understand that going in a rocket really isn't the way to do it. You want to do it in the ways that these people know. I think they do know that, yeah. I mean, they know it, but they want to get there wherever there is. I mean, there has to be presence for them to see the differences and recognize things they've already understood or heard about or wanted to understand. I mean, there has to be something happen for them to realize they're somewhere different. And their bodies wouldn't behave in the same manner, in the same way, as what they would do if they were looking in the mirror at a tiger or something. You know, it would be a different feeling. Right. So let me ask you this. Let's jump over to The Stone Cradle, the third book in your memoir series that gets into some really bizarre and complicated stuff. So I would preface this by saying that the dominant Christian narrative is so aggressive in our culture that we're just conditioned, even non-religious people, are conditioned to hear certain things and react as like, oh, that's evil. That's bad. Definitely don't mess with that. And we're being told this by people who do some pretty bad things. So why are we taking their lead and sorting out the good from the bad? But in The Stone Cradle, it gets into the idea that there is a meteor that fell to Earth, a cataclysmic event 5,521 years ago. People thought the sun was falling out of the sky. People were panicking, running around all over the place. This meteor falls to Earth, and with it came a being of light. Now, when this happened, Venus transitioned into being the new, quote-unquote, morning star, as we've heard before. This is the symbolic death of Venus. And this meteor comes, and there's this being of light. And you ask these people, well, who is this being of light? And they say, well, some people call him Lucifer. Some people say other names. But Lucifer is this being who came to basically do just what the lady with the cup would do or what any other being would do. You inspire people, bring them knowledge, and it's associated heavily with this meteor that came down. Now, this also ties into the portal book because you're using the magic square of Venus. Venus, and the reason why people think the pentagram is evil is because they were told that. But what the pentagram really is is the path of Venus in its eight-year cycle. It makes this pattern in the sky. So why do we have these weird associations? It really unlocked a lot for me because if you talk about a story that's 5,000 years old, sure, it can get twisted up. And if it has power in it, sure, a lot of people want to obscure that and hide it. But talk to us about the stone cradle and this cradle child that came with it. What were you told about this? And you were shown this cradle too, right? This meteor. Oh, yeah. I saw it again because I took someone up there who should be shown it. And what I understood was, I mean, it wasn't like a cradle shape that sailed to Earth and landed at a particular, quite isolated, very isolated place. No, it wasn't. It came along with extra stone and particles and pieces of stone, which those things are still on the mountain where it came down. It came down the side of the mountain. And the actual cradle is kind of looked after and used for healing. And that is kept in a private place where people do go for healing and for other. No, I'm going to have to use the word healing. That's the only word I can think to describe it. And the person who looks after it is in the society. Right. The society owns the land, right? Yes, certainly do. And. The man took me and put my hands around this object, the kind of mound of small plates of stone and all that which was still there, or rock. I don't know what they were exactly scientifically. But when inside, there was the cradle, very neat, very perfect in itself. And in there, he didn't talk about the present time. He talked about the past. He said, do you believe that this cradle from those holes could have nourishment come out to heal children? And I said, I said, I do believe it because I've heard about it. I didn't know. I've heard about it. And then he went into, you know, quite a big history of it, of how during the plague, which had hit that area quite badly, people would come and be healed and lie on this cradle. It would only take one medium-sized man could be there. People would go there to give birth or others to die. And others just lie there and look at the sky or whatever. But they said to me, it's not the only one. And there is another further north in Le Puy. Le Puy, P-U-Y-S, in France. And it's in the big church there. And this rock had fallen there too. It wasn't the cradle exactly as we have it in Spain, but it certainly was an area where part of the stone had fallen and had healed people during the plague. And it's much more seen. You know, people go to see it. It has certain hours that you can go in. They don't want the church overcrowded and it's managed. But when the plague was there as well, rampant, the place was filled or filled to the brim with people trying to lie or lie near or get near this stone. And it had the same qualities as the one further south. But then they had it measured and examined scientifically. And the one in Spain has an extra component, which they can't measure where it comes from, what it is. The other one has the same components, but not that extra one. So it has something there, which I know why they keep it apparently more hidden in Spain was because it was stolen by a sect who took it to another church nearby and turned it over. So it became like a kind of vessel in the church and put a candle on top and pretended they hadn't got it. And I think it was missing for quite a few months. And then the society found it sitting around the corner and took it away. And then it wasn't any more available to kind of carry off to your home. You know, you had to go and see it there. Right. It's so interesting because it makes me think about Muslims and Mecca and the Kabba Stone. A lot of people have speculated that's a meteorite. And it's like, man, do these meteorites just come down every so often with a spirit attached? And then there's like some healing ability that happens, which obviously is a great power. And then a religion forms around it. And that's the story of humans getting it wrong. Yeah, I mean, there's an American family who were interested, quite renowned family you've got out there. I wouldn't go into that, but they went to Egypt and found a copy of that cradle in Spain. It was a very small copy and people showed them, you know, with respect that they hid it. They didn't have it in view for everyone, but it was the same as what was, they'd already seen the one in northern Spain. It's the same one. Wow. A prominent American family. Is this a political family or a finance family? Well, I suppose if you went to that country and you knew who they were, I suppose you could be persuaded to let them see it. Because they were absolutely proud of what they had. You know, there was no kind of, it didn't get stolen or, but it got photographed. The rich and powerful are playing a whole different game than the rest of us. I know that. No, but they took the photographs. That's all I know about that. Wow. So did the society that you met, the Kabbalistic Society, which is another one of those trigger words where we're told to think Kabbalistic is bad. But again, it's just like, it seems to be more like a science of reality and how the dimensions all interact. But did this society ever give you a name? Do they have a name for themselves? They tend to just be called the society. Yeah, but I would not be giving it either. Oh, okay. I mean, why would I want to break what works? This has worked for many years. And the man I was involved with for many years, too, he was a very big part of it. Out of respect for that, I would say little, you know, except I would certainly say that with regard to the cradle and Lucifer, in Catalonia, they have a big guild of that being coming down in a cradle. And they all have guilds, and they name them, and they have that guild. And I think there's two or three parts of Spain where they have a guild in honor of Lucifer. So to them, he's a carrier of light. He might have made a mistake in heaven, but he's healing and helping people to grow and to build up a better outfit than was there at the time. I mean, I don't know, working back 5,000 years, what was there in the way of people's intelligence and growth? I don't know. What I do know is when from one of the American colleges, they came out and took a look at Girona and could see, actually, that there were probably beings that were intelligent that helped those others to build and to speed up the cave life, you know, which was basically to keep alive and eat and have kids, wouldn't it? I mean, and keep those animals out, you know. I mean, it wasn't, what was it like then? Well, these intelligent beings, where did they come from? I think they're incredibly interesting, actually. Yeah, you know, there's this big theme for all the people who are researching ancient civilizations and Babylon, Mesopotamia, there's this big theme of these gods that have a pine cone and hold the handbag. And everybody, like your Graham Hancocks, are out there trying to figure out what's with the handbag that all these depictions of these gods have. They're all over the world. And it seems very adjacent to the lady with the cup. It seems like this is it. That's what the handbag is. It's basically the cup, and it's a different being with a vessel, a little cup of knowledge, and that's just how it's depicted on our plane. Well, I'm sure, you know, I can't start running into names and things. You'd probably be listening to this and sue me or something. I don't know. I know. But she was very, very good. And she did say, absolutely, that these were taught to do and to live in this certain way. And I'm sure that something happened because Corona, that area, it's very old. I mean, Catalina, it was pretty old. And long before the Visigoths came and made it their capital, I mean, it was way back, go back the 5,000 years. And the beings would probably, if they were there, find those cave dwellers who were ready and willing to go into another form of life, you know, to go into the hierarchical one, you know, where you have the ones at the top and the ones at the bottom, you know, and all that. And also how to use intelligence. And it would make sense that something from outside came along. I don't think they could have done it themselves. The last part of the film we've done is all about the caves. I mean, suddenly, everyone was talking about caves this last year. No one really ever talked about outside of Corona. No one talked about, never went there. Someone went there recently because that person was aware that the secret was held there. The one everyone had been after for years. And I went there, but unfortunately, you know, did not manage to save his life when he fell because it's far too dangerous a deal. And there's mountains. Wow. What secret was in this cave? Does it have a name? Like the Grail secret has a name, obviously. What secret are we talking about with this cave you're referencing? No, I'll pass on that one. Okay. If you don't mind. I don't mind. I just was, you know, for people's context, curious what mystery it relates to. Yeah, it's known of. It does transform the space around it. It can bring tremendous lightning flashes of intelligence, you know, and growth. And supposedly, I have not seen it. Well, they say caves are mystical because they're attached to the lower plane and mountains are mystical. They're attached to the higher plane. Not that every being that comes from one or the other is good or bad, but it's just like, you know, there's a stack of dimensions and this is where you would access beings. Well, this is in one. It's a cave on a mountain. Well, there you go. The double whammy. I think I've got to go in a minute. Yes, yes. I was going to say, this has been great. We'll start wrapping it up. I just want to ask you, when the portal came out, I'm sure people were like, wow, what a great reveal. And then the stone cradle came out and it's like, wow, this takes it up to another level. Is there more to be revealed that is going to maybe not come out in another book? But is there another layer above the stone cradle that we've yet to understand? Yes, definitely. But another thing I do feel about, well, no, I feel I've been also told about, is that certain objects like the grail and like a magic sword or whatever, they can over a long period of time change into another shape. Another sort of human recognisable shape. So they don't stay. They're not built according to some spirit out offshore somewhere along their way and send it over here for us to worship and it stays the same now. Apparently the figure moves with what is happening. So there is one yet to come, which is very, I would say, rigorously active in the knowledge of it in this planet today, in today's time and place. And I would think it had to be handled with a great deal of care. And where would you send people to learn more about that when the time is right? I wouldn't. I don't think I would. I think the others are old. Well, this object is also old, but it's tricky and sought after and sort of dangerous, I think, as I understand it. Are you going to be talking about it more in an upcoming project? I expect so. Yeah, I'd be last to. But the cradle is safe. The stone cradle. And in a way, I don't know what people think about Lucifer, but in a way, he did do good things here, apparently. And he followed. I don't think the Spanish would follow him with guilt and with remembrance days and, you know, things like this. If he hadn't done good things here, they would have banned him. I would have barred him, wouldn't they? I suppose so. Yeah. So this has been great. I really appreciate your time and the work you've done. It's so unique to reveal this sort of stuff. I can't believe the society allowed this to come out, but I'm glad that they did. And I hope they don't have any regrets. I don't know how their thinking is on it, but I know people who work for them and they do good stuff. And they're doing it because they really need to want to do it. They're not doing bad stuff. Fair enough. So remind people where to get your work, any upcoming work you want to let them know about, websites, that kind of stuff before we really call it in. Oh, yeah. Film coming out, Girona the Immortal. It's been distributed by AMG Corp, C-O-R-P. That's in Canada, Toronto. Also, City of Secrets is also available. That's with Quest books or with books in London, England. I mean, there's quite a few different publishers that publish that book. And Spain, they've published it too. City of Secrets. But there are more things coming out, yes. There is another book about the film. The film is the trailer, the main film, and the addendum. And it's all new stuff. So just suddenly all became available and known to people. Nothing known before. I look forward to that. Awesome. Well, I know you got to get going. Thanks for jumping on this call again with me. And I appreciate it very much. Thank you, Greg. Yeah, great. Nice one. All righty. Have a good one. Thank you. Thank you. Take care. And boom goes the dynamite. We did it, guys. Give yourselves a pat on the back. It's pretty rare that I continue to bring up something like this story in unrelated interviews. And then for it to actually happen with the point person themselves. It's a nice little mini saga for listeners who do follow along on the wider THC journey. And again, it's never ideal to do an interview over multiple starts and stops. And for an 85-year-old, she seems like she's doing pretty great. But it definitely changes the energy and changes the flow. And I think we both had a hard time hearing each other at times. So I would try to speak abnormally loud and clear. But it is what it is. I'm just really glad that this has now made it into the Higher Side Archive. It's also, let it be known, the first interview I've ever recorded over Facebook Messenger call. Which I didn't even know I could do. But I found a way and then just crossed my fingers that it all saved correctly. But it's wild to hear about Girona, Spain. This haven for Kabbalists before the Jews were kicked out that still keeps this occult undercurrent. And this secret society preserving knowledge of portals and mystical artifacts in the landscape. It's pretty amazing to me. To hear that once her second book was written, she got a call from someone at NASA or some kind of clandestine government operation. To close unnatural portals opened by someone in aviation, a.k.a. maybe the aviator, Howard Hughes. But I find it fascinating that this information is just out there in these books and relatively under the radar. You know, I'm in a lot of rabbit holes and it took me quite a long time to stumble across this. And how many people are talking about it or taking this pilgrimage as opposed to something like Machu Picchu or Gobekli Tepe? Fascinating sights, but I think this should at least get half the attention, wouldn't you say? But hey, what are you going to do? It seems like there's a pentagram in the landscape and portals all around the French Pyrenees. And one specifically on the top of a mountain between two twin towers, one in Girona and one in Rennes-le-Chateau. So, and that's just nice to know, right? At a time when the Vatican was so bloodthirsty to be the sole spiritual authority, you could totally see how this would be one of the biggest secrets imaginable. And it all kind of clicks for me. I really shouldn't even say Vatican because that came thousands of years later. But obviously at a much further down the timeline time depth, that area, that region is seeped in the blood spilled on the quest for religious authority domination. And I'm sure that's a quest that probably goes back to the beginning of this story. In some form or fashion. I can't remember exactly where the free and plus show split is on this one, but it gets even weirder with the stone cradle, this meteoric rock that came out of the sky at the end of the Venus cycle, a pattern that makes a pentagram, and then boom, this artifact lands with a being of light attached, and some call that being Lucifer. It's all obviously very wild, and it's hard to be neutral on some of this stuff, because the Lucifer equals bad programming is just so strong, and Kabbalist programming too. A lot of people hear that word and it's a trigger. But consider the source. Even right up to the burning of witches in Salem, people have been programmed that if it doesn't get a rubber stamp from the Vatican, Catholicism, or just Christianity, it's evil. Matters are only complicated further, because evil people and things, and I would guess spirits, often aren't exactly wearing their orientation right there on the lanyard for you to see. So I stopped trying to categorize every little thing a long time ago. I just listen. Some people will come away thinking we covered a sect of evil Kabbalistic Jews following the tradition and preserving the knowledge of an evil demon from space, and others will have almost the complete opposite take, that a unique and spectacular thing happened in the ancient past, and an underground group of esoteric scholars and practitioners have tried to preserve the information, the knowledge, and the artifacts from this event against those who would destroy it all, and the ongoing risk is too great to make it all openly available in a less cryptic or roundabout way, so they have a multi-generational secret society. But when I hear this story, it sounds like Lucifer is a being closer to Valiant Thor than some ultimate evil or fallen angel who defied God. But you know how I feel. All these terms have been twisted, used, and reused so many times with so many agendas that it's really hard to unpack. But the morning star is Venus. We know that much. And this Lucifer, sometimes called the morning star, sometimes called the light bringer, I mean, it's all right there. Sometimes I think about all that propaganda or religious residue put on a name or term like Lucifer, and I hear these associations with the cosmology, and sometimes I'm just like, is that what it is? Is that all it is? Because it's pretty silly to call the movements of lights in the sky good or evil. But of course, as this story goes, that's not all it is. There was a being wrapped up in all of it. And it makes me wonder about actually all the Ascended Master types of stories, as far out as they are. What if the cosmos is a giant celestial clock, and when planets complete a cycle, a being is injected into the system to perform a function, maybe help elevate us, maybe help remind us where we are, if we can get out of our own way. Who knows exactly, but I might put something like that in my own spiritual configuration. You know, some of these beings might make a big impact, and some might actually be completely covered up and lost to time. What is NASA doing sending out rockets with sigils in the names of ancient Greek gods? When asked by Diana Posolka why and who would be reading these rockets, the answer was our sponsors. So what is the relationship between higher realms in this one? It is interesting that the pentagram is thought of as evil, but it's basically just the pattern of a multidimensional bridge. If you're thinking multidimensionally, it's as arbitrary as the Golden Gate Bridge in and of itself. Do we call the Golden Gate Bridge evil because evil people can cross it? It really just seems like a pathway, but a pathway to a place we don't understand very well. And isn't it interesting that in this case, this being is said to have somehow come from Venus, and Venus is making this pentagram-like shape in its cycle, and this happens right at the end of it? I don't know. Is it all evil, or is it all mechanisms of our larger system that religious authorities want to suppress? They don't want you to know about any possible pathway to the divine, the spiritual realms, any of that stuff that doesn't pass through them and the collection plate. Curious stuff, and I guess it just all depends on how fixed or flexible your own spiritual orientation is. But so rarely are we talking about such specific things and not just broad speculation over possibilities and general concepts. And as for this documentary, Girona the Immortal, yeah, that is the name of an upcoming documentary. You can find the trailer on YouTube. I will link it. It's only got 130 views, but I can't find any other information about its release. Patrice says it's coming out on Prime Video in April and reveals yet another layer with a legendary artifact that Jose supposedly left in the custody of someone before he died. Patrice even mentioned to me she thought for a moment that she had the Israelis after her because they thought she would know more about it and she doesn't. Apparently. But if anyone finds out any more about the release of this documentary, let me know. I'm clearly vested. In higher side news, things are getting back to normal. Not much to report. Let's see what people thought of the last episode with Juan Ayala. I had a good time and I expect it to be good. Let's say 4.6. Drumroll, please. And the actual rating is a 4.8. Okay. That's awesome. We're back, baby. I hope this one resonates well, too, but it's hard to say. Either way, Juan is a fun guy. I liked his Occultus Mundi work and his knowledge of the homunculus is impressive. All right. And now for the infamous meetup calendar. Saturday, April 12th, Raleigh, North Carolina, the Raleigh Brewing Company. Sunday, April 20th, New York, New York, the standard beer garden. And then we're jumping all the way to June 1st, Huntington, Indiana, at the Heartland Harbor venue. Seems to be a homestead slash food forest. I like that. But yeah, the calendar is pretty light for April and May. I do hope to see people using it. It's totally free. You find some local people that resonate with you on this wavelength and you have a good time and expand your network. Hiresidemeetups.com. Make an event of your own or get more details about one around you. And that's that. Thanks again to Patrice, Miguel, and Sochi. Thank you for listening. Sign up for THC Plus if you want the full show and the full archive and thanks to those who already do. Tell your friends about the show. We are algorithmically challenged and it is what it is. I've done my part. Your move, portal preservers, space artifact owners, and secret keepers and secret keepers of Girona. Your fucking move. Is it accidental how things end up or is life ritually planned right from the jump taking so long? 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