Philosophy and Theology with Pierre Grimes (1924 - 2024) (4K Reboot)

Summary

Philosopher Pierre Grimes joins Jeffrey Mishlove to discuss his unpublished manuscript, a dialogue between Jesus and Socrates in heaven, which portrays Jesus as a Gnostic-style philosopher whose teachings were distorted by followers, especially Paul. Grimes argues that the Nag Hammadi texts, the Gospel of Mark, and Plato's emphasis on dreams point toward a spirituality of understanding and direct experience rather than belief. He suggests that reviving the Logos, dream work, and even a modern echo of the Eleusinian Mysteries through psychedelics could spark a cultural awakening.

Key takeaways

• 1Pierre Grimes is the author of 'Philosophical Midwifery', 'Unblocking', 'Is It All Relative' (a play on Plato's Theaetetus), and the unpublished 'A Dialogue Between Jesus and Socrates in Heaven'
• 2Grimes claims church authorities know of a better Bible translation that is not being released because rituals and prayers would have to be rewritten
• 3He states the earliest versions of the Gospel of Mark contain no resurrection account, which he says was added 350-400 years later, and that Mark wrote around 80 AD partly to counter Paul's influence
• 4He argues Paul could not have been admitted to the Eleusinian Mysteries because he had killed Christians, and that removing Paul would 'save Christianity'
• 5He says Plato's Republic (Book 9) calls dream study essential to truth about oneself, and that classical doctors analyzed patients' dreams before treatment
• 6He credits Carlo Levi's 'Fear and Freedom' and Aldous Huxley's 'The Perennial Philosophy' as the books that set his path, and has run the Noetic Society for about 50 years

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Transcript excerpt

this man has to come to understand himself before he can now walk out in the world and relate to others because he's carrying in his own mind every move he's going to play the role of the idea of self the word self in greek is autos okay it has two uses one is self the other is used when it's used is for honorific purposes and if something is beautiful a greek would say autos table it's a self table they use the word self as an honorific term that would indicate excellence so behind them we have this one issue in education in our life and that is whatever you do how can you do it better keep watching to learn more new thinking aloud is presented by the california institute for human science a fully accredited university offering distant learning graduate degrees that focus on mind body and spirit the topics that we cover here we are particularly excited to announce new degrees emphasizing parapsychology and the paranormal visit their website at cihs.edu the new thinking aloud magazine issue 10 on ufos and uap is now ready for free download and you can also order beautiful printed copies go to newthinkingallowed.org book four in the new thinking aloud dialogue series is charles t tart 70 years of exploring consciousness and parapsychology now available on amazon thinking aloud conversations on the leading edge of knowledge and discovery with psychologist jeffrey mishlove hello and welcome i'm jeffrey mishlove today we'll be exploring the relationship between philosophy and theology my guest is pierre grimes a man who has spent a long lifetime studying the world's great philosophical and theological traditions pierre is author of philosophical midwifery a new paradigm for understanding human problems five philosophical dialogues unblocking removing blocks...

Excerpt from New Thinking Allowed, Oct 22, 2026. Rights remain with the original creators. Hear the full episode at the source.