Richard Grove | Grand Theft World: Schooling, Diamonds, & Blackmail

this class is in session people from the sunshine state i'm greg carlwood and when we experience a national tragedy or crisis there are those who start at the assumption that the lying liars are lying again read between the headlines and end up getting quite good at sniffing out the illogical elements of the official story and following the money or the hidden agenda right back to some oily appendage on the same old big octopus yet the majority still scurry towards their preferred establishment propaganda machine and eat up whatever they're fed and oftentimes aggressively attack any alternatives it might be frustrating for the rest of us but what more can we really expect in a well-crafted culture that subjects nearly all of its youth to an entire childhood's worth of obedience training pavlovian triggers and the literal engineering of the model citizen for an ignorant society content with crumbs mediocrity submission to authority and a withering away of their critical thinking skills it all starts with schooling and until we truly unravel that nightmare there is only ever likely to be a minority of us that somehow managed to swim against the current that endlessly pushes us towards complete acquiescence well a man who knows this all too well is today's guest richard grove one of us who found success early enough to essentially retire in his early 30s compelled to take a stand as a corporate whistleblower in 2004 and representing himself in court he exposed systemic accounting corruption and injustice and experience that profoundly shaped his current mission to empower individuals with the tools to protect their freedom and intellectual sovereignty he's now the man behind the podcast grand theft world and the founder of the autonomy course of action a premier course at the university of reason designed for freedom-minded individuals who want to upgrade their skills knowledge and access to freedom but that's not all folks he also built the history blueprint a tool for autodidact learning allowing you to begin developing a comprehensive understanding of where we are where we've been and where we're going as humanity with over 11 000 individual entries and interconnected with more than 55 000 linkages the history blueprint has been built over 10 years through richard's ongoing study of what he refers to as cognitive liberty i like it so here to make another stop on his never-ending quest for freedom in every sense of the word the intellectual self-defense instructor deep diving forensic historian and the true rock star of grand theft world richard welcome to thc greg thank you for the invite and uh the end of that intro made me chuckle bro well played well played that was well formulated thank you for the invite and uh how you doing today oh i can't complain uh if a guest appreciates an intro it's always a good start and thank you for doing this i can't believe 15 years in the conspiracy world and we haven't really crossed paths before obviously i know the name richard grove uh your reputation is uh impeccable you know everybody loves you so your your depth of knowledge really it's just super impressive in my intro there i kind of centered around education because that is where it all starts and i've done interviews with people like charlotte iserbeet and some of the proteges of gatos but you were lucky enough to call him a friend i understand to get the ball rolling here talk to us about some of the things you learned about education from him that a lot of us probably just take for granted at this point back in like 2004 i was recommended by people to read a book printed in 2001 called the underground history of american education by john taylor gatto and he's the former new york city school teacher of the year the new york state school teacher of the year he apparently had figured some stuff out and people were telling me to read his book well i was a straight a student in school greg i'm really good at the indoctrination thing back then so when i when i read a book about it not being the thing i thought it was it kind of it washed off me it bounced off me i went out and did a bunch more research i learned about anthony sutton carol quigley a whole lot of legitimate research and then i came back and reread the underground history of american education and particularly the part that really got me was chapter nine the cult of scientific management and it went into a whole lot of kind of new world order globalist thinking about making the world one place and then do in order to do that you have to take away american education as it were asking questions and pursuing your interest and curiosity to find and understand answers in the world that reflect reality that's education indoctrination is repeating back what they told you to do and so they slowly changed starting in the 1930s the american education system to be something that would mold the attitudes values behaviors and beliefs of americans to be in more more in line with soviet communism which was another project created by the same people who were manipulating our education so this supra national group had two polarities it was building out and messing with large populations the soviet and chinese population under communism and the american and you know western populations under capitalism capitalism came out of the east india company once upon a time narco trafficking joint and then communism was also kind of invented in that same milieu of uh industrialists who paid people who didn't have jobs to create ideas that would influence other people who didn't have jobs kind of so there's a lot of history that we didn't get in our education so in reading gatto's work i started to understand not only like there's a reason that they them those who i've read about and talked about for years and years in their own words also had like from the ground up they had ill intentions for the youngest and weakest among us to take away their formative years and put them into 15 000 hours of state-sponsored indoctrination so they wouldn't be able to think outside the box so in the in the past you would not teach a slave to read that was too much upward mobility but an industrialized society demands everyone know how to read so they said why don't we teach them to read but not how to think and if they just assume what they're being told is true because that's the structure they're bred through with the prussian education system a series of layering people by age with individual instructors that they have to wait on before they can do anything so there's learned helplessness there's extended adolescence there's a whole bunch of non-education things they built into our programming and this keeps people docile immobile demoralized all the things you see in our society and that aids the people who created the status quo to protect their sons and daughters for the from the envious uprisings there's a great there's a great quote but let me see if i can pull it for you william james american philosopher early psychologist said uh habit is the enormous flywheel of society its most precious conservative agent so it's it conserves the status quo it is habit alone that separates the shopkeepers son or like the the rich people's kids from the envious uprisings of the poor and basically they get people indoctrinated into this set of habits that does not lead them to freedom does not lead them to prosperity does not lead them to thrive in the world does not lead them to learn how to solve their own problems or provide value in this in the marketplace by solving problems or providing results to other people so it keeps everyone immobilized which brings in the frustration aggression complex and a whole bunch of other nasty things so basically society sends you to school so you get frustrated and or aggressive because all your goals are blocked and then they'll give you a pill if you get frustrated and if you get aggressive they got a cage for you so like there's a whole multi-layered stratification of society and so gatto described this in several of his books charlotte iserby wrote the famous deliberate dumbing down of america and she worked in the reagan administration in the department of education so between you know anthony sutton carol quigley john taylor gatto charlotte iserby within like you know five or ten authors that you could easily read you could find these books they're widely available you could get a much better understanding of how the world really works where you are in it what has been done to hold us back and what we could do to free ourselves and move forward out into the world so getting back to gatto i started to realize like this guy has a treasure trove of information he's super credible and he's traveling all over the world delivering this message but every time i see him it's in a fuzzy grainy video from in the back of the room or i can't hear the audio and at this point i'd been podcasting and i just taught myself filmmaking so i said to myself i had a great idea i said what if i invited john taylor gatto for an interview and i go to his apartment in new york and i set up these cameras and i put these lights on and i mic them up and we ask them good questions think about the end result from that well i chased that dream for i don't know maybe a year i know there was a solid six months where i was like trying to get in touch with him but he's traveling and he had two residences he had upstate a farm upstate in new york like a really off the grid type farm not a nice like there was no electricity right it had a well these types of things right but like old-timey good farm has good herbs all roots and garlic and all the stuff that you need to grow on a farm for self-reliance he also had an apartment that he and his wife janet won in a contest in the 1970s and it was rent control so they had a pretty spacious apartment in new york because they were able to sit on it for like 50 years and the the building people wanted them out and they tried to kidnap john one time there's a whole bunch of stuff that went on during my friendship after he had his stroke but prior to that he called me one day and he was in the farm in upstate new york he was in a barn chasing raccoons richard this is john taylor gatto and so he's like i'd like to take you up on your invitation he's like i'm going to come to connecticut and i was like oh okay i didn't have a plan for that and then he said all you have to do is buy my plane ticket and pick up the hotel and i'll be up there july 4th weekend and i was like i don't have a budget for that at all right so my wife's like listening to me talk to him and i'm like yeah yeah well we're gonna get you a ticket we're gonna do this thing i got off the phone she's like we can't afford to do that you she's she's gonna laugh hopefully when she hears that intro i retired because i burned a multi-million dollar career being a whistleblower and i didn't have a plan b so i was broke and retired and i just never went back to work i made my own way so that's the retirement i've been in since uh 2000 january 15 2004 something like that fair enough well i did hear you had a million dollars in sales at uh your previous job so i thought that might have been part of the retirement story that's easy to do i earned my first million by age 30 with the skills that i teach people in autonomy so it's like method-based problem solving ethical sales is what you would call it ethical sales okay yeah it was because i had that skill set that i was able to become a whistleblower because all the other guys i worked with they had kids in college and boats and mortgages and i knew i could go get a job anywhere i have incredible skills i kick ass on my quotas like i can do the thing right so it was more important for me it was easier for me to preserve my integrity and give up the money so getting back to gatto he has this plan to come up and so i told my wife i said well we don't have the money to do it we don't have the money not to do it there's an opportunity here so we're going to figure it out i went to my tragedy and hope community i had formed out of my podcast was the tragedy and hope community named after carol quickly's book because i thought that was important for people to understand and so i went to the community we raised some money enough for his plane ticket his hotel and an air conditioner for the room because we didn't have air conditioning we were poor i was a podcaster giving everything away for free because we're trying to save the world here greg i know and that made it tough on us for like a good 15 years you know maybe uh 12 years i don't know i don't count those things good water under the bridge so we get enough money we bring them up there and we interview them july 4th and july 5th in my living room i record the whole session and on the dvd version of the ultimate history lesson you see from the beginning of the tape to the end of the tape you see the before we turn the lights on and he's sitting there and we're talking all sorts of interesting stuff right and so i ended up putting it on torrent putting it on youtube and selling it on amazon you can do all three because they're not the same audiences so a lot of people started to get to see this but before we got the dvd out i had something interesting happen i didn't know how to edit all the footage i shot because i made lighting mistakes and stuff that you needed to correct so anyway it took me like six months to edit the footage my buddy had to buy me a computer my buddy tony bought me he saw what i was doing i couldn't see the i couldn't see the footage my processor wasn't fast enough to play the footage and i'm like editing in the dark so he bought me a screen that i could see hd on he bought me a computer we edited the ultimate history lesson took six months then i sent john 50 copies handmade copies five dvds each sent them to his farm no word i sent another 50 copies to his apartment in new york no word and i think he doesn't like it well he had had a stroke two weeks after we filmed we didn't find this out for a year and a half and then when he was getting out of rehab we got contacted we went and got him they lost his dentures so my wife and i went like 12 it's like a 12 hour round trip to get there do the thing come back like six or seven of those trips to set him up so he could just get his teeth back because you can't have a man like that with no like it's a self-respect thing right yeah now the guy's got his teeth we took him for haircuts you know over a couple years at one point i started cutting his hair in the place because it was too hard to get him out of there because of his stroke condition and he's in a bed and half his body doesn't work right man so uh we spent a lot of quality time together and i'd take you know i had a couple close friends and we'd go up there and help out and clean and get grocery whatever they needed right whatever they needed he passed away a couple years ago and i think the legacy of his work is well encapsulated in the ultimate history lesson so if i had procrastinated on that or made any excuses we wouldn't have been able to share those magic moments a couple weeks before he had his downfall you're a man of action he deserved it i mean when we tried to he had a very uh like scotch irish they don't accept help ethic work ethic it makes them weaker to accept help but i was like bro this isn't us helping you you have helped people around the world and now they are sending some money so you guys can get supplies and stuff like this is the convection current of causality that is like appreciation and love and under that understanding they were able to like accept the help that they needed at that point and um it also pointed to me that if i didn't structure more business for my life and my family that we could end up in a situation where worthwhile authors of his age and uh genre like those a lot of them struggle i've seen them you know i've been in their apartments i've been where they live and i think the freedom movement needs more self-respect and we need to figure out how to keep each other afloat and i know i'm always checking in on colleagues to be like are you are you good because i don't want to be on the field with you like your position not covered you know the most about this thing and you've got 20 years experience are you good because people are starting to realize there's like you know talk of a new 9-11 investigation and right now you could talk about some of the people who participated in 9-11 that you haven't been able to talk about for 25 years because of other things going on in the world i think we live in extraordinary times all this information that people like israel beat and gatto and quigley and sutton have choreographed the ai is only going to help people realize this all faster i mean you saw how fast grok went mecca hitler and stuff like that like there's a lot outside the official narrative that the ai is now getting access to you know so it's yeah it's interesting i try to be white pill about it yeah i mean i get that i get that to bring it back to the education it's like people are only going to start looking at this stuff if they are of a critical mindset you know so many people are trusting of the system that as i say you can lead a horse to water you can't make them drink it but i am glad we could dedicate a little time to john because he is a national treasure one of the ones that slipped through the cracks for me but i've interviewed his protégés and talked about his books at length he was a real character if he was still around i would be interested to hear his thoughts on the implementation of all this tech in the classroom i am with you we use tech all the time i don't know if second graders need to learn from ipads you know it seems like a level jump in controlling the mind having it focused on this singular device a device that's built for manipulation of your dopamine centers and the blue lights and all this sort of stuff and it's a consumer device meant to make advertising more appealing and we're giving it to children on top of the well-established behaviorists psychology techniques that they use to influence these kids and it's just another level jump and making it real ironclad and it'd be interesting to hear what what john would say about that because i don't think it'd be good are you familiar with neil postman because i think john would echo what neil postman was um pointing out neil postman wrote a couple books he wrote one called technopoly so it's not technocracy it's technopoly he wrote another one called amusing ourselves to death and what he was pointing out is every new technology demands that you get a get rid of some older technology that replaces it and the question is where is all these technological changes leading humanity is it leading us more toward freedom and free time and like enjoying life or are they hemming people in in ways you can't see and by adopting tech you know so they're putting ai in the new barbie dolls for kids and they're going to have wi-fi connection and they're talking to some ai model and you don't even know what's going on that's dangerous yeah steve job said no ipads for his kids because he knew what the military use for that technology going into the consumer world was the dopamine problem is a problem out there right people like dopamine real dopamine is acquired by achieving a goal doing something and it's accompanied by blood sweat and tears you're gonna be a little tired maybe there's other things that go around you're getting hits of dopamine and you haven't moved pretty much any muscles on those screens so when you like build a fire outside and you finally get that fire to go up that's a sense of accomplishment you got dopamine you got some practical warmth you also you know fire heats you twice once when you cut the wood once when you light the wood you know or at least that's how it worked when i grew up these types of things are the dopamine that we need like uh getting your lean to shelter to lean just right or getting the not just right or whatever the thing is that you're learning about how the world actually works outside the terrarium those are good clean sources of dopamine my son was working on his uh like razor motorcycle last night and he's i just tell him which wrench and like he figure out where the fastener it is and then figure out how to remove the fastener like teaching him the system of how to like disassemble any of his stuff which could be a problem but you know these types of things are clean dopamine they're honest dopamine they're accompanied with a little like oh you cut your finger or whatever because you have to try hard to accomplish something in this world in reality you're not entitled to anything like people who think about entitlement this is the absence of critical thinking and the assumption that what you've been in the terrarium is actual nature if i dropped you off in the woods and left you for a couple days what is your condition when i come back most people are not in a good condition they don't know how to satisfy their needs or build shelter clean you know identify water filter water any of these types of things that keep themselves alive let alone hunt trap identify edibles any of those types of things that you would actually need to do in reality but in the terrarium you're entitled to free lunch here's you know here you go state loves you and this idea about the critical thinking being removed from schooling this goes back a long time and there's a lot of interesting quotes and things like that that go with it but just following up to what it is today common core the common core standards initiative is brought to you by a guy called david coleman he's a he's a road scholar so like even when you get into what they're doing today to dumb people down it turns back into the prussian education system agenda that was installed in this country after the cecil roads last will and testament where the british empire wanted to change the attitude values behaviors and beliefs of the colonists to be more in line with their globalist empire and then part of that was including it with the communist experiment that they're running in uh in russia and china there's an interesting long history that ties the political statecraft and the military industrial complex to the need to dumb down the population in order to keep us in a perpetual state of war and this would go back to like the carnegie foundation uh papers in 1908 1909 etc this is the norman dodd whistleblower testimony from the reese committee and that foundation wanted to keep america like if they wanted to take over the political machinery of america how would they do that if they wanted to keep america in perpetual war how would they do that that group asking those questions back then set in motion a whole bunch of other things described by gatto and is your beat so there's so much more to be discovered i don't want your audience to think that oh it's been discovered and those are the people who did like those people started telling the story it's people like us who continue learning and offering new evidence to great conversation that that's being had in the world history wise well cheers to that and the mention of cecil rhodes does bring me to something i was going to ask you about when it comes to anecdotes with john first i would say that we do have a largely audio only audience still but you did throw up a part of the blueprint of history we're going to go into that there's a lot of amazing stuff in it but first so my understanding is that john had a roommate in college edward j epstein you know tainted name these days but he wrote a article have you ever tried to sell a diamond so he was basically a great researcher in his own right i can only imagine the conversations they would have had when they were young growing up together i imagine uh they were quite intense but he wrote many books that we would both probably enjoy money and power in hollywood the money demons true fables of wall street the rockefellers killing castro and assume nothing encounters with assassins spies presidents and would-be masters of the universe just to name a few some of them are even out of print now but he just died last year talk to us a little bit about what you learned about the diamond manipulation situation and cecil roads and this whole part of the story because it's a a piece that doesn't get as much attention as a lot of other pieces but it's a huge wealth generation machine for for these guys well let me start with the grammar of who was edward j epstein edward j epstein was john taylor gatto's cornell roommate and as john related to me there was a point when ed ed epstein we'll call him ed he wanted a car on campus and cornell said no edward j epstein was from like a jewish family on long island very different upbringing from john taylor gatto's western pennsylvania steel mill you know kind of blue collar so epstein who says i can't have a car on campus they won't let me hires john taylor gatto to wear a top hat and tails and get a horse and buggy he's driving epstein to all his classes in the horses just pooping all over the place right so then the university surprise surprise gives epstein here's her car pass right now there's other good stories like that but that's like who the guy is when he's in college when they are together when kennedy is assassinated epstein and gatto say to each other if the suspected assassin is dead by the end of the weekend we know it's a conspiracy and then oswald gets killed by jack ruby and so ed epstein he writes a book not questioning the assassination but questioning the method by which the warren commission came to its conclusion it was called inquest it's written in 1964 i'll say it like that now inquest as a book is one thing the cia's reaction to inquest is even more famous cia document 1035-960 concerning criticism of the warner or maybe it's countering criticism of the warren commission report it's like a 24 page memo it's where they use conspiracy theory and conspiracy theorist as a pejorative i think that's paragraph two by the time you get into like why did they write this memo it's because edward j epstein wrote this gosh darn book and we need to have a line of defense to make sure that we can say there's nothing to see here so that's an interesting part epstein's work on the diamonds i'll explain in a second but he also wrote some very interesting books on james jesus angleton who was an mi6 mole in our government also working for the state of israel and angleton was the mole hunter who could never find the mole so anyway there's a lot of fascinating work that epstein did over his prodigious career he figured out how to become a new york times best-selling author on the kennedy topic without being a conspiracy theorist and i think that's you know just shows like he has an acumen he's a smart guy he had some questions about diamonds so he went and embedded himself in south africa with the oppenheimer family and he saw behind the scenes how diamonds are marketed right because they're basically worthless clear stones that they wrapped a whole bunch of marketing mumbo jumbo around and they took this thing that's worthless and empty and colorless and they equate it with love it's a interesting use of how language is made to help people perceive things and uh in this case things that are not there cecil rhodes was a diamond magnate from south well he was from britain he moved to south africa he helped to colonize south africa for the british empire and freemasonry is always the proto colonization layer uh the reference for that is uh builders of empire by jessica harlan jacobs she shows how every british colony started out with the free masonic lodge 50 100 years beforehand so they would you know this is a process of colonization so cecil rhodes is a colonizer he creates a system that ends up being an apartheid racist system that is emulated by the state of israel and the founders of israel wrote letters back and forth with cecil rhodes like hey we're interested in doing what you're doing down there up here and moving these people from here to there very fascinating stuff but cecil rhodes was funded by the rothschild family and then he built enormous wealth for them and being a gay man he didn't leave any progeny and he died at an early age so he has his famous last will and testament and much ado is said about it because he says they're going to create a secret society for the purposes of taking over the world and its secret society would be modeled on the jesuits but replace roman catholic religion with british empire and they would have other aspects and they would need to get america back into the empire in order to take over the whole world so basically the whole focus of the rhodes scholarships was take actions that bring america closer with great britain its former enemy edward j amstein in this diamond book he shows you that diamonds have no value that there's immense stores of them that they're not scarce that it's all you know kind of a show and that still that de beers cartel which could not operate legally in america up until like 9 2012 probably is when they started they were prohibited from operating here that is also part of the legacy of cecil rhodes now people can argue about his will and all this good stuff here's what i would point out in the history of the rhodes trust by sir anthony kenney you can go to the appendix and you can read how the rhodes scholarships were funded in 1901 1902 by the rothschild family that had funded rhodes in the first place so if we could just take rhodes out of the picture he's a useful idiot he's not here now so we can just move on to calling them rothschild scholars so when rothschild scholar bill clinton takes over the white house and he hires rothschild scholar strobe talbot to be his like guy that's doing foreign policy and speaking george stephanopoulos another rothschild scholar there's a whole coterie during the time that the rothschilds honeymooned in the white house this is like in the 1990s so there's like a whole changeover during the clinton administration this is also when another famous epstein comes into the picture about 26 times to that white house so there's a whole lot of that right there so i did an episode of my podcast long long time ago it was peace revolution podcast episode 29 diamonds the jewel of denial right it's a play on the 80s film romancing the stone uh jewel of the nile so i just you know switch it around i make a clever title and now you have that entire history so if you want an eight hour version of what i just said with all the i's dotted all t's crossed and all the references yeah there's a peace revolution episode out there waiting for you love it that's a great summary and the title of that article have you ever tried to sell a diamond is so interesting because i do know people you buy a diamond and it's like 10 grand 12 grand and so in your head that price is linked to that item and then if you try to resell it they might give you 700 bucks and be like well i mean the cut this cut is not popular anymore this and that and it's like yeah because it's all marketing and that first market is you know buying things new and it's like priced up a thousand percent and there really is no secondary market there is no reused diamonds it's kind of messed up and also you've talked about how they engineered the value by paying the rich to wear diamonds because they didn't want that they wanted rubies sapphires they wanted colorful stones and they said look wait a minute we're gonna pay you wear the clear ones and like the sheep will do we just kind of follow along and then they tell us a man should spend three months salary if he really loves his woman and it's just crazy it's just a great example of how you can make a market out of essentially nothing and if these people want to move a market they can and they use the same techniques almost every time it was adidas jackets when i was in school now it's uh you know the shoe culture is so crazy it's just leather and plastic but yeah it's it's just a game as old as time and basically so that secret society that he made with his will that was the pilgrim society am i right well the pilgrim society existed before rhodes died but the pilgrim society only existed in england before rhodes died so if you wanted to make an argument that the 1902 new york branch of the pilgrim society is the pilgrim society from the uk now enacting cecil rhodes as well by creating a coterie in new york for their equal and opposite which foreshadows the double cross system they called it in the world war ii was called the 20 system which roman numerals is xx so it's also a double cross which angleton was part of angleton by the way was educated in london and spoke with a british accent when he was young but we could never find the mole yeah because people didn't get the history till later but when you read the history you can see clearly what the the role of espionage from top down more experienced cousins in the british empire did to america during the 20th century right on and another cecil rhodes factoid apparently is that he funded the proto boy scouts can i go to my history blueprint for a minute please do maybe i'm mixing my wires no no no you're not you're not it's they were called the lavat scouts and this goes on in rhodesia so cecil rhodes had a country named after him and uh in rhodesia they had this uh training where they take young boys to the woods teach them how to be soldiers and the guy who creates scouting is a friend of cecil rhodes called robert baden powell first baron baden powell and there was a couple other guys general carrington and frederick russell burnham woodland scout teacher of baden powell and this brings about like the scouting movement and a whole bunch of other things but it also there's hebrew scouts a whole bunch of scouts around the world from this this is also origins of commandos in the 20th century because robert baden powell helped to groom young men into for instance what later became assassin training at camp x so there's a whole like when you study the as i did because i'm a nerd i said what's the history of combatives for western intelligence services right so then i went through all the various uh military branches intelligence branches where did they pick up these various combatives techniques that they use in hand to hand contact a lot of it goes back to the british subjugating asia china that whole south pacific region back in the early 1900s and they learned these brutal street fighting knife fighting techniques and then there's a couple guys who bring those techniques over to like western like you know united states military all of our special forces training and stuff like that was brought to us through britain who had it first and then they came over and trained us and then we brought a whole bunch of nazi people over after world war ii that added to those and then you start to see these branches kind of develop and uh branch off over the history but the creation of scouting is uh a worldwide movement it's not just boy scouts of america and uh grooming for intelligence mixed with a lot of abuse of kids that has still permeated up to this day with sexual scandals with the scouting movement and things like that that started with men i'll say for roads like i think he was uh i think the british say it buggery that was what you know his deal was back in the day so to take a bunch of kids to the woods and like train them how to be men i don't know there was a clip i think that illustrates this i think it was it was jay leno either on rogan or coffee and cars with seinfeld leno tells a story about when he was in the boy scouts and they were off on some camping trip and they knew that other kids like them were being raped in the woods but it wasn't them so they didn't care right so these types of heavy themes of abuse have also been preyed upon by military and intelligence services especially mi6 has a whole whole thing around like more of a i don't know if they picked it up like over in afghanistan at some point the young boy type thing maybe it's part of arab culture that they picked up when they were creating uh the saudi empire back in the day but it does permeate a lot of history behind the scenes and one of those dark corners where it seems to show up is the scouting movement which goes back to uh the roads levott scouts in uh rhodesia back at the turn of the century yeah i i really think that's interesting history and then just the idea that it is kind of intertwined with the making of assassins and then you fast forward all the way up to today and we still see this like the people who are the patsies i mean i shouldn't even say patsies because that kind of assumes they didn't do the thing but they're the fall guy but like the the people who are out there doing causing the chaos you know the mass shooters and stuff there's a lot of little check boxes you can find on them one of them is the hapsburg jaw i mean crooks had it uh james holmes almost has it there's another one too on that list of having that weird hapsburg's jaw then what is there's a well also just all of them when they're interrogated they tend to say yeah i was hearing voices i mean even the guy who just stabbed that ukrainian model girl on the subway you know you look at his rap sheet everyone's talking about his rap she's been arrested like 14 times previously why is this guy walking around with a knife just to stab any random person but in some of his interviews he said somebody put something inside my body and is controlling some of my movements and yeah this is the kind of thing crazy people say i suppose but it's also like kind of something that gets engineered in these people like whether it's just hearing voices or it's done through pills or whatever but like all these people i've been manipulated with you know help me they're calling out for help and really just put them back out on the street until they do something that puts them in jail forever it would sound crazy that that's going on if there wasn't science and technology focused on making that happen for people the prime mover would be mk ultra something that the united states engaged in after world war ii and other countries engaged in before world war ii and we might have inherited some of their technology but the ability to use technology to command and control human beings there's a variety of layers of study to that right so there's the technology itself but there's also that which precedes the creation of the technology now they had these uh they had these conferences back in the late 50s and 60s you know about the macy conferences conferences yes a little bit yes okay so the macy conferences are the intelligentsia of the robber baron ruling class and they say we don't know how this is all going to happen yet but we have some goals and part of their goals was something called cybernetics and cybernetics is command in the command and control the human machine through software not hardware so much so they mix the two together so now they've got ideas of cybernetics and these ideas i mean here's i like to point people toward where i learn these things right so there is a book called fire in the minds of men origins of the revolutionary faith by rhodes scholar and librarian of congress james h billington in there like on page 341 on one page it tells you intelligentsia is a word created by bf chantowski who also coins the phrase cybernetics in english parlance right because it goes back to uh plato and it's kybernetes in the greek but cybernetics is this notion of using information to influence human human behavior and then this guy norbert weiner comes along he's big cybernetician who helped develop like cruise missiles and probably cruise control in your car right same sort of technology that's going on he writes a book he writes several books human use of human beings cybernetics command and control of the human being so these all fit in with like birch and russell's ideas of we need to change education and do what ficta said so that people can't answer their own questions and then couple that with if we know how to use their brains better than they do they can have command and control also and we've trained them to assume everything authority says and not to question outside of that not to eg think critically and say is that really true because the answer is verify then trust but if you're not taught to verify how can you ever have trust so people just skip verify and they trust but if you know how to inquire and say does that does that claim match reality that verification says oh i should trust greg he's he's giving me good facts those things check out if you look up fire in the minds of men and it's not by james h billington the road scholar and librarian of congress then shame on me but i'm telling you that's a real artifact and you should read it because it's the history of secret societies including the illuminati in official parlance from the highest level of the intelligentsia that controls this place so it's in their words it's not my ideas so page 841 i think is where the uh the cybernetics references in that book so anyway this idea of command and control of the human machine has many many many many parts but game theory is a big part of it so they sat around and they took philosophical ideas from ludwig wittgenstein who committed suicide so you might not want to you know follow his philosophy all the way to the end he took a whole bunch of things he's part of the vienna circle which again is an intelligentsia of people who are logical positivists who truth and justice is what strong people say it is and if they're smart enough to work their game theory and take this to the next level then you lose your autonomousness you lose your autonomy your self-efficacy self-responsibility in this world and you'd be a slave well you know i don't know everything but i think freedom's better than slavery and i see these people who have to create slavery through deception which means they know they're doing it like what they're doing is wrong otherwise they wouldn't have to deceive us about it right so everything about our enemy tells me like they're intellectually bankrupt they're cowards but they're very cunning ruthless powerful and willing to do whatever they need to to stay in control that's with our permission what if we just took our interest and went over here and we create a system that runs parallel to that and doesn't so much interact with that anymore it takes our attention from there to here and that's what they rule over they rule over people's attention so if you can get your attention back and focus it on reality then already you're depleting your enemy of its resources it needs to fight you and your family it's true it's true and it is a great thought those attempts to make a parallel system usually end in shootouts but i appreciate the the thought now this history blueprint tool that you've seamlessly brought up a couple of times talk to us about that more broadly so we can get the scope of it i know it's available to people for the low low price of 500 bucks but it is basically an entire library in a single software program and we can dip into little threads on this thing but i'm curious about its total scope i mean obviously it's going to come up to the tech bros and go back to the robber barons but how far back does it go in in total like what's some of the earliest entries on on such a thing and i could just give us an idea of the big picture here with this so the current model that i have is called a comprehensive ontology of cognitive liberty i started it in 2008 i think i started it with the first research i did into uh machiavelli and his use of conspiracy in his techniques and then i branched out and asked questions and found answers and as i go through learning something i could model it out so things that contribute to the macy conferences they're up here these are the people who participated in it thought of doing it helped and influenced it and then these are things underneath that it influenced what came afterwards like herbert marcusa and a whole bunch of other frankfurt school type stuff like came out these were these were outputs so teodore adorno's work uh lsd and mk ultra were outputs of the macy conferences so there's a lot of interesting aspects that about any topic you need to learn about and i might point out every problem demands learning in order to find a solution otherwise there wouldn't be a problem in the first place so if we had an algorithm to learn anything we can make progress like gangbusters so i teach my students a three-step method to learn anything and then once you apply that to the five w's plus how that is the three-step method you have to know the identity of the time the place the thing etc otherwise you don't have knowledge in the first place a lot of people claim to have knowledge and can't ask i can't ask and answer the five w's plus how is how we refer to it but they're all basically logic the law of identity what is the identity of the person what is the identity of the time what is the identity of the place what is the identity of the thing what is the identity of the method by which it happened that's the how and with that now those three steps you can learn any topic and this is the origin of self-education so the macy conferences are heading that off at the pass because they don't need people learning on their own and figuring things out so as i started my own true self-education probably you know starting the day after 9 11 it took a long time but by 2004 i was like i need to like document some of this stuff other than just printing stuff out or having notes i found some software probably around 2004 this model i didn't start till 2008 so i played with different models and then i was like i don't want different models i want one understanding and i i basically made sure that i kept adding to the same model where did i get inspired to organize information like this is part my employment post-college so i learned how to i bought into a franchise during college it taught me real skills that after college since my degree wasn't going to help me those real skills enabled me to go to the market and earn a million before i was 30 that process involved me selling database modeling software uh visual modeling software for object oriented programming so i knew about modeling software that you could enter in data and you could see a map of what the infrastructure is but in 2003 i had a buddy who came to me i'm going to show full screen book cam here and he said i just got back from new york i was living in princeton at the time and he said i just got back from new york and he said i saw this art exhibit and uh he said the the things that he's doing in this art are like what you're researching and mapping out and he said you know there'll be someone like george w bush or hw bush and it'll map their connections to the bin laden family and james r bath and harkin energy and all this other stuff and so i said i want to meet this artist i got to talk to him about his research my buddy said you can't because he's dead and i said how'd he die oh he hung himself right before his big art exhibit and i said when was that he said three two two two thousand so i'm like so he's looking into skull and bones narco drug trafficking and then he dies on three two two that's a message to me at least like that like don't tread on that mark lombardi huh yeah so this is mark lombardi's art and this book is published by the judith rothschild foundation so let me just zoom in for those watching video judith rothschild foundation exhibit funder okay so he's dead after he's dead rothschilds are like we'd like to show the art where he's showing our infrastructure and our network now on the cover there's uh james r bath and he's connected to george w bush and the bin laden family who were also meeting together on the morning of 9 11 now right here i have an artifact if i can get back to it right here remember when dan rather got fired it was over this memo and this memo showed that george w bush was a wall okay he's in the air national guard he's a wall and it's always blacked out who he was a wall with and he was a wall with james a bath now these guys their daddy smuggle you know drugs and they're in the air national guard and they're they're a wall they're probably smuggling drugs but i'm not saying that i just said probably but what is definite is this is the saudi bin laden family money man and he's best friends with george w bush he's a wall back then and he's still there all through the 70s 80s all the way through because he is the connection between that whole infrastructure and the bush family so these types of artifacts that didn't come with the book i put that in there but the whole book is he had these maps that he built and they're like uh entity relationship diagrams is what they're you know the the parlance is so it looks like art but when you walk up you're getting a dose of history you want to see bcci and iran contra like these types of things these are huge eight foot murals on the wall okay i've never seen them in person because they're kept by the jewish museum and the whitney museum the skull and bones family but uh these artifacts do exist the fbi did ask that to see lombardi's work right after 9 11 and this book is probably unattainable on the market because they don't want you to have it but it's a very powerful inspiration for me back in the day to go over and start saying well what's the limitation of mark's work he's not here anymore i can't see the references i can't click and share why don't i do this in software and then i could take an idea like macy conferences i can during a live show click on the web thought and then i can drop it in is there a chat over here do we have a place to drop a link i could drop you the link right now it's my point i can share it and then you can click into it you can click around you can search you can ask questions and you can have like the same seeds that's not good it's like the individual parts of how to put the understanding together you won't understand from reading the model but if you click all those links and start to read those that's where you get your understanding of how they fit together like how did leo strauss influence the creation of neoconservatism in this country and did he also fund like peter thiel or you know these sort of things well that was going to be one of my questions for you is uh a lot of people you know especially in the conspiracy world we're used to looking at the deep history and we see a lot of the same families and you know as you've said the control network is basically a multi-generational group of psychopaths i agree yes but there are people now who are saying the tech bros are something new and i don't really think that's true i mean their tools seem to be just the same tools that accomplish the agenda that they had in mind before the tools were available but it is kind of true that the names teal musk these are not really family names that i'm super familiar with going back in the history how do you connect the tech bros because if you look at like the forbes list which forbes is another guy we could talk about but you look at the forbes list from a few years ago the top 10 obviously the real top 10 are not in on the list it's now completely different and it is like the nine of the top 10 are all just tech people and i think we we don't know nearly enough about their history but how do you see a lot of them connecting to the traditional power networks that we've been examining for the last hundred years they're not going to like this but they're not going to listen to this episode so tech bros are useful idiots they're not the creators of everything they are the people who show up to somebody else's blueprint and they put in the bathroom they put in the kitchen they don't know what the whole house is they don't know who designed the whole house they're just there doing their trade they're just doing a little rocketry over here a little genetic modification over here they don't have any idea of the big picture elon musk's dad is an interesting guy with the emerald mines his grandfather might have had some interesting connections back then i don't want to make the same argument about teal but teal uh seems to have been a useful person ever since he got his college newspaper funding from the neocon founders back in the day so he's playing a role on the field that's clearly defined for him so let's go back and test that argument in 1990s who were the richest people in the world back then bill gates larry ellison right okay so gates we know his family's into eugenics we've seen the corporate report you know all that good stuff what about larry ellison he's an interesting one oracle right oracle was a dod project it's called oracle because james jesus angleton was the oracle of delphi for the cia he was the keeper of all the secrets but then he starts getting a little mentally retarded a little something going on at the end and they're like we better have an electronic filing cabinet for what we have so they created the rdbms the relational database management system and this is created out of dod and the pentagon and a couple other groups and then cia comes in and takes the final product they make it a publicly traded company front company they have ellison who didn't work on the original project like he's there back then but he gets like basically here you go you can be this guy and someday you'll be the richest man in the world or the top three consistently right so this all starts in league with zabinyu brzezinski looking at soviet and eastern europe eastern germany stasi surveillance what he saw was the russians could in the east germans could get all this information on people but they couldn't process it or use it in a timely manner so what he called for in like the early 1970s was creating of technology in order to facilitate this mass surveillance state panopticon state that they were all trying to create right so ellison's in like let's say first generation of that and he's been there for like 50 years that dude is like he's like 80 he does not look his age because he's one of the richest men in the world and he probably i don't know maybe he gets the the young blood from the peter thiel type situation i don't know i don't know what it's like to have your own island he owns one of the hawaiian islands he owns lahaina not lahaina what's it called it doesn't matter he owns a whole island it's like a big he owns 98 of it and the rest is used for like bananas or something like that anyway he's in a you know eccentric billionaire tech bro original but he's still you know given half a trillion dollars to trump for new data centers and all the stuff that trump announced when he got in right so he's still an active player i don't even think he's totally read in on the entire situation right he just plays his sector he's not at the world economic forum planning for everybody's future level like larry fink who clearly controls one of the world's biggest companies and then just took over like the public private partnership sector of that project from the club of rome and that's an interesting origin too if if your audience isn't familiar in 1970 so club of rome was founded at the rockefeller bellagio estate in italy they have aurelio pache over there he's an italian industrialist and they have prince bernard of the netherlands who's famous because he was in hitler's ss so that group of people create something called the club of rome and in 1970 they put out a paper called the predicament of mankind now it's kind of like leading the witness the predicament of mankind why not the blessing of mankind oh mankind is a predicament we got to deal with it so at the end of that paper 1970 they say they need a annual world forum to deal with this but what happens 1971 klaus schwab heads up the world economic forum for the club of rome by 1973 they issue the davos manifesto and they're off to the races tech bros are just playing in the last chapters of that they had nothing to do with writing that script they are developing inside of a box that has already been pre pre-prescribed palmer lucky is not breaking out of the box with all the ai automation killer robots all this nonsense they are just they're they're unwitting dupes i know they're smart people but they're unwitting dupes to a bigger longer multi-generational geopolitical unfolding that they probably won't realize until they've done their best to kill off humanity and act as peter teal's antichrist lecture series yeah i was gonna mention that lecture series no but you make great points and it does seem to be like a template like you touched on the technology is developed by the cia and darpa and these organizations and then they go public with a company and a brand and they put a front guy there i mean this is the bill gates story because gates didn't create microsoft his mom had all these strings she could pull and she got the whole university of mit to basically like make this forum and then he just sat there zuckerberg again you know life log went down and then the cia launched facebook and there's people who say hey that was our thing we developed that and he just stole it yeah i mean this goes on all the time musk a lot of people say elon musk never really did a whole lot with these companies uh he bought tesla he didn't start tesla you know a lot of these people who are at the head of the company and we have this association oh they must have built from the ground up the products of this company that's worth a hundred billion dollars now and uh no that's often not the case it is kind of paper thin when you really start to poke at it there was one other little story i've heard you talk about i wanted to try to slide in here and that is the blackmailing of nelson rockefeller because obviously blackmail networks have gotten a lot of attention in recent years uh the culture has become a little more aware of how power really works with epstein and diddy and all this stuff this is a a method of getting things done that goes back very very far and nelson rockefeller someone did have the brass balls to to put some material on a desk in front of him and say do what i want you to do there is a book written i think in 19 or i'm sorry 2008 it's probably published it's a canadian publisher uh of random house it's not available in america it's written by two authors brendan howley and john loftus now john loftus is a legit researcher brendan howley writes novels why would these two guys get together loftus doesn't write fiction howley only writes fiction why are these two guys together well john loftus is a very interesting character once upon a time he was on 60 minutes he was a whistleblower back in the 1980s he worked for the department of justice he worked in the nazi hunting unit he was hunting down nazis in america he had a cosmic nato clearance which allowed him to go into the suit lands maryland underground 24 acre vaults of all the stuff they don't want people to see so he is a prolific researcher and author full stop now this book from 2008 is called the witness tree and it is an amalgamation of all this research that loftus found in story form so people can consume it and understand the first part of the book is about how the dullest brothers killed off eleanor's boyfriend because he was jewish and they were wasps and there's a whole bunch of espionage and communism and this other stuff in the first part of the book second part of the book has to do with how israel became a state and in that there is like two chapters the one with the united nations and the one with the blackmail of nelson rockefeller so i'll start with the blackmail of nelson rockefeller before your audience hears this story here's what they should be asking what's the source of this is there any veracity to what follows i will tell you the source of this is a guy named reuven r-e-u-v-e-n shaloah s-h-i-l-o-a-h who is he oh you could readily find he is the founder of a little coterie of intelligence people called mossad for a little state called israel before it was israel before it was mossad he was the haganai agent and this haganai agent on direct orders from david ben gurian goes with his accomplice into new york city into rockefeller center up past where british security coordination had been running intel out of rockefeller center they go up to nelson's offices they have an appointment they both sit down and they flop a folder on nelson's desk he starts to look through it and it's blackmail against him and his family and dulles's because dulles is his lawyer for standard oil and the nazi funding that came through them and the bush family and all this other stuff so these guys who want their own country are like bro we're going to put you in prison we're going to put you on war war crimes tribunal with the rest of these guys or you can give us your latin american votes that you have influence over for the united nations and you can call us a country so rockefeller sits back he closes the folder he says because it's not his first time being blackmailed he says uh you tell ben gurian he can have his blood or he can have his country if you get your country no one sees these records and the real bankers never go on trial you can't have your blood and your country tell him he has to choose so word goes back reuven calls uh ben gurian they cut a deal i believe it's november 22nd 1947 that the votes are then cast for israel to become a state and the places where nelson rockefeller and standard oil and united fruit control the votes in central america latin america they can have them recognized and everything goes forward so the book you could probably get it online but you can't get a physical copy very easily like candace owens didn't have a physical copy when she talked about it a couple of years a couple weeks ago i've had this book for i don't know a long time because i've interviewed i interviewed loftus over 10 years ago oh really dude he lives in tampa florida he lives in your sphere of yeah bro i got it i might be able to like hook that up for you i want to know what else he knows about with that cosmic clearance that's uh my priority when i interviewed loftus it was in a buddy's house who lived in tampa and he was a real estate guy and he passed away tragically of cancer and his son was very young back then so i haven't edited that five hours of loftus footage because it reminds me of my buddy sean and i didn't like how he died and how the medical establishment basically killed him my buddy sean first off was a naval aviator he flew f-16s which means you fly and do the guns and missiles yourself you don't have a co-pilot and i think he had like the first or second most down planes during the first gulf war like he was a legit back in the day like war hero really high aptitude high skill guy and so uh i had used his venue down there when we were we knew he was dying and that's why we were there and i interviewed loftus while we were there to call it uh business expense for that trip that's how we did it of course and as you do loftus i have a 15 minute clip where he explains himself his pedigree and what he found but he wrote books like secret war against the jews america's nazi secret he's a very well esteemed and uh you know he he probably voted for obama back when i had interviewed him i think that's where he was at back then so he's not a person who believes it's conspiratorial he'll say it's like sharks swimming toward blood so we're both seeing the same thing but he thinks it's just they're not having meetings about it right right but his his research especially on america's nazi secret about the british and the americans uh bringing a lot of nazis back here and doing untoward things and continuing uh experiments that the nazis had started but they hadn't finished yet that uh huberta strughold and other people had to you know see at what point your human blood boils from altitude before we can send up a u2 spy plane so it was like uh what was it unit 731 from japan that did all those crazy experiments like they brought a lot of that stuff back to america they needed it to be done someplace else they couldn't do these other things without it but they didn't want to do it themselves so they just outsource it to the axis countries during that time yeah some people think that's what roswell really was was uh some really deeply manipulated unfortunate people in a experimental craft and when it came down they didn't want to admit how uh the people came to look that way so instead they said oh it's aliens and they've just been running with that ever since that that is a thread that's out there i don't know it's not not a fun one you know it's not nearly as exciting or epic but it could fit in context 1947 unrecognizable humanoid things in a in a weird ship 1947 is a very interesting year because july 8th 1947 you have the roswell incident but you also have the creation of the national security act the cia later the state of israel there's a whole bunch of things that happened that year the national security act in full spectrum later in the 1980s ties into bank of commerce and credit international bcc i clark clifford gets caught narco trafficking money laundering over here but he's the originator of national security act in 47 under which they hid all this narco terrorism inheriting from the british empire system doing all the coups with mi6 and 40 different countries over the years all that stuff was kind of off people's radar but thanks to authors like you know uh david bloom and you know bloom's influence later on oliver stone like stone doesn't come out of nowhere with some of these stories he read bloom's work and a whole bunch of other people's work and then brought it to a wider audience with his own flavor there's a lot of people who've tracked the cia overthrows you know arbenz and 54 iran and uh most deck and 53 all these sort of things that was mi6 taking cia out and training this is how you overthrow countries we're going to need you guys to do this on our behalf a lot so just get good at it right and that's the anglo-american inside of cia connection the the cia inside the cia that they created so they created cia out of oss but inside of cia they injected from the state department's anglo-american group of loyalists to the british empire office of policy coordination and that's where a lot of the stuff that's un-american that we would not be proud of those are all the operations so it's not like america doing these things it's like you got a corrupt group inside of another corrupt group and they're being steered by this ancient plan from 1902 to take over the world i owe you one on the titanic though from like 10 minutes ago cecil rhodes's co-conspirator william t stead william t stead invented the interview invented it in 1886 with his interview with general gordon so that's one thing he was a co-conspirator with rhodes he published rhodes's last will and testament in 1902 he ran the review of the reviews and the round table group he is the definition of conspiracy rhodes wanted to do it stead said let's do it that's a conspiracy stead later disagrees stead finds himself on the titanic and perishes instead today has a memorial to him not in britain but in new york central park there's some interesting history that goes on with william t stead there's other people like john jacob astor the fourth i think is who dies on the titanic that family made their money from trading their fur traders what did they trade fur for that's right opium in china that's good answer so these types of things those are the eastern elite power families maybe those families weren't down with the federal reserve maybe they weren't down with total amalgamation of america into the empire maybe they wanted to stay a little bit free of that empire that they had gotten free of a couple i don't know so there's a lot to the eastern establishment power structure and i think it was eleanor roosevelt who coined that phrase the eastern establishment those families and ruling class that have driven america from an oligarchical position traditionally richard you know a lot about a lot and uh it's just crazy but you'd also make it you make a good case that when you just change your orientation change your thinking about history a lot of things do fall into place and it isn't as complex as some people might think and a lot of it is the same networks and players and playbook and uh you really can understand quite a bit just by changing that mindset so before i let you go remind people of the irons you do have in the fire because there are a few and it seems like you tend to rebrand every so often so let them know what should we plug since uh 2020 2020 i've done the grand theft world podcast it's a seven hour weekly sunday night live podcast from 9 p.m till like 4 or 5 a.m we juxtapose the week's news to history so you can actually understand so it's not like you're 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teach small group i do less than 100 students in a teaching session per we do it in spring and fall so we're about to start the fall session um that way i can remember everyone's names i do uh two multi-hour q a's a week with them uh so i spend most of my week you know hanging out with my family and living life because i think it's about quantity time and quality time and then i help adults break on through to the other side level up in life with these very uh intarnishable skills that they can use every day for the rest of their life and that's in my small way how i can make the world a better place without infringing on anyone's freedom and helping to maximize the liberty movement that we're engaged in oh by the way that is get autonomy.info we don't sell this education to people you have to qualify you qualify by going through a primer course so you can have transparency and informed consent and then you have to talk to a graduate who's been through the course so you can have your questions answered because i don't like selling stuff to people that they don't need they don't want they won't use or won't get value from so we prevent that in the enrollment process so we have a very very very high customer satisfaction rate and people keep coming back for it season after season it's like you've thought of everything fighting the good fight the way it truly should be fought man just so impressive i'm glad we could finally talk a little bit you're the master of the rabbit hole you go deep but i try to help people exit the rabbit hole greg i mean i think you'd do that with your your guests uh your i celebrate your entire catalog of guests i think they all help people reach on through to the other side better than mainstream media ever could with their billions of dollars fair well that's a low bar to clear but i do appreciate uh clearing it awesome well this has been a pleasure take care and keep doing what you do man thank you greg and uh thank you to everyone for tuning in and not dropping out peace well hallelujah higher side chatters can you believe it's been 15 years without richard grove on thc i don't know what i've been doing highly requested much appreciated circling around each other but never really crossing paths long overdue i will say and i'm definitely impressed the man knows his stuff and he clearly gets the importance of not just the information but also the presentation so many people i might interview tend to neglect that crucial aspect of what it is we do here i'm also very conscious of not wanting to push the show too much into the video realm a reference image here and there is okay but i know that we're still vastly listening to just the audio so when we are leaning on something like this mind map history blueprint tool i do try to make sure there's enough narration that you don't need to see the visual reference but sometimes it's hard to cut in and do that if the guest is on a roll and richard was regularly on a roll but this was great i personally sometimes struggle to digest a lot of richard's stuff because it is so lengthy he will do these four six eight hour streams and i'm sure that is a big part of how he's able to stay so sharp with the details and the presentation and all that but at this point in my life it is hard to get six uninterrupted minutes let alone hours but if you have the kind of job where you can listen to lengthy stuff for a whole shift then i'd certainly put him on the top of the list he does keep it moving he includes a lot of really good clips and full context and he's great at what he does it's just that's a long time really he just seems like a good guy for me to know he even offered to send me a piece of equipment that he thinks would help elevate my setup here real class act and a true teacher in the classical sense reminds me a little bit of the predictive history guy who's kind of starting to go viral right now kind of modeling after jordan peterson this idea of just putting up your college course lectures online and letting people check them out digitally him and i are actually in communication about getting him on thc soon as well which i always hate to preview i like to wait until something's recorded but i think a lot of people would be excited to hear that anyway it was nice to pay homage to john taylor gatto richards definitely got the voice down i enjoyed throwing some shade at the diamond market a great example of how value can be engineered from nothing and it's a huge part of the controller class's wealth and why they're able to exact such influence on the planet is this fake market and if you look at israel's number one import right now the internet will still tell you that it is diamonds i'm sure soon to be usurped by surveillance technology but still the diamond industry has been a huge piece of the pie and we don't talk about it nearly as much as the oil or the petrochemicals or the old drug trade and all that stuff i also like richard's take on the technocrats that they really are just a new group for the true top layer to exploit kind of the implementation class so to speak and if they don't deliver i do think there's going to be consequences for them i saw elon just this week and with the uh yarmulke on and all that you know you think you got enough money to do your own thing you want to be the rogue billionaire not quite so rogue when it comes down to it anyway if you like the first hour with all the little insights peppered in you know we go hard in the second hour a very densely packed interview i can't recall exactly which side of the free plus split the energy alcohol is a fuel stuff and the hindenburg stuff came up but it was right around the middle and i was just kind of having fun trying to throw out some threads to see if richard had really digested those yet because he seemed to have had a pretty robust knowledge of all conspiracy threads and yeah it seemed like he pretty much had heard all that before maybe i got him thinking about the hindenburg i don't know but the plus show went deeper into secret societies and mi6 and the bengal famine millions dead actually engineered twice and more than six million dead each time but nobody really mentions it i guess india doesn't have the same well-oiled pr machine that other victims of other tragedies do i suppose but we talked about critical thinking and important aspects of self-education the best ways to retool our own lives and that stuff was really great to me too because we do all this research and i sometimes say hey we don't want to give them all of our attention just digesting what they do and getting mad about it and knowing that we can't really topple the big system and i don't mean to be blackpilled about that either but it seems unlikely it seems there is eternally present a hierarchy of a controller class and that is what it is so we can accept it reorient ourselves and do the things that richard was talking about work on our self-education make up for the lost time and then engage in some entrepreneurship and uh live the best life we can with the system we have rather than bitching about it or feeling defeated by it or imagining that we're just so close to toppling it and then i'll find the success that i've been waiting for i think he's got the best approach to how we can be conspiracy minded and have a better roadmap of the true reality and navigate it accordingly and live our best lives within it so i would say just an awesome interview i'm glad to have been introduced to him and hopefully we can do this every so often of course this is another interview recorded before the charlie kirk assassination event and i'm glad because if it was recorded after i'm sure that it would have sounded like all the other material you're hearing right now and i like doing something different but speaking of charlie kirk obviously i did my own little deconstruction and it was wildly popular i can say that i haven't had this many plus subscriptions file in since probably plus started my subs peaked during the covid stuff and have slowly been declining i've said that it's why we've added video it's why i'm circling around other things i could do and ways to reclaim those 2020 2021 numbers and who knew that all i had to do was a solo episode it's funny because when people call me a plant or some sort of asset because uh they think i'm too good at what i do it's a compliment a backhanded one but i will take it that way it's funny because i just basically do this alone and no disrespect to my web guy or the studio guys who do the edits but i prepare for my own shows i book my own interviews and i don't really get much advice from anyone as to what i should do and so yeah i'm years late to video and i probably should have had done something solo a long time ago i just never thought people wanted more of me or wanted me to deep dive into the material because the guests have always been the stars of the show and i'm just the guy who has to be here to ask the questions anyway i still wonder if maybe it's because the charlie kirk event is such a huge thing i mean who knows what might unravel from it but it is kind of like the mlk assassination of our day a guy who engaged a lot of new people in the political process and gave them hope that something was going to change and did talk about equality inequality a lot economic inequality that was the subject i think charlie kirk was best on talking about how young people can't own a home yet we're sending all this money overseas and engaging in all these projects that are funded from the people who barely have enough to get by and can't get out of the rental space you know tim dylan actually did a recent podcast episode too that i thought was really good on that just saying you know when people are kept in their apartments they stop gathering they don't get together in the backyard for wine and talking to neighbors about what's going on you know they they further get entrenched in the digital landscape because that's a more enjoyable place to be for them it is very ready player one but just that whole idea of wanting to break us up and push us towards civil war another thing i just never really considered is how home ownership actually makes you more vested in the neighborhood not afraid of your neighbors you see the value of forging those relationships because you're going to be around each other and uh that's just another thing that's kind of gone away so what was that tangent about really i'm not sure but thanks to everybody who signed up because they wanted to hear me do a deep dive on the the kirk thing and like i said i wasn't really prepared no excuses i recorded it so it is what it is but now that i realize that's something people will enjoy i mean i can put a lot more time into it and i can maybe pick more obscure subjects because i'm not sure if it was popular just because the event is so huge or because i'd never done it before hopefully the latter because we won't have events like this all the time but i would think people don't need to hear what i say about it necessarily because there's just so much out there it's everywhere you're looking right now but be that as it may people sign up to hear me talk about it and that's a beautiful thing i'm very thankful and i have to uh go where the market takes me and the market's saying do more solo stuff all right i guess i would also throw out another positive benefit of that is that i don't have to scramble to look for a guest to talk about a given thing i can move a lot quicker because i'm looking at the same twitter threads and reddit posts and all that like i'm looking at the same stuff as everybody else so i can just cut through the noise try to compile the biggest red flags that we're dealing with an op the esoteric stuff the family connections all the things that i find to be the most curious about a situation i can compile that and talk to you a lot faster than i can scramble to get somebody be like oh uh you know charlie robinson's doing good work on this let me see if i can book him two weeks out and then it takes a week to edit and it's like now it's a month past no this allows me to keep the flow of guests as is and not worry too much about having someone for a particular volatile time because i'll handle it i don't know maybe that's a good thing maybe that'll work out okay either way obviously my goal here is to bring in subscribers and uh i can't believe that it was that easy i'm happy with the presentation i did maybe the only thing i've learned about since that i would add is there's a lot more people looking at the wife and some of the red flags that she's a handler injected into his life from an early position i think that has merit and there's a lot of people talking about the camera behind his head and this footage of a guy who picked up the chair that charlie kirk was sitting on and then stood on it to get the camera down and that's very suspicious this is supposed to be a crime scene now some of that does kind of go more to that is this just a damn simulation and these are all actors i don't know i think it's probably hard to pull something off like that if you're not used to pretending to get assassinated in front of a lot of people acting is kind of easier than they say i think but it's not completely without you know needing some rehearsal it just seems like a difficult thing to pull off when you could just kill a 31 year old guy who bit the hand that feeds you took the money you made the deal and you went off message and you ended up dead i think that's what happened anyway i wish i would have maybe talked about the camera a bit more candace owens in the time since she has contacted turning points gotten the name of that particular employee she knew the guy contacted him directly said hey we haven't talked in a while i hear you got this footage you're this guy he showed her the footage and she says that it wasn't bloody we saw all that blood in the main shot she expected this to be extra gory and there was no blood so either that speaks to the simulation thing or it speaks to the fact that the front wound was actually an exit wound and he was shot from somewhere behind which is a thought i had at the moment i will say i was like wow i always thought exit wounds are where the blood gushed out of but here's all the people here's him facing it just seemed like i didn't question it too much but it was something like i did have a a thread in my head that was like saying hey that looks a little weird i don't worry too much about where the shot came from because i can't necessarily trust exactly what i'm seeing i just kind of look at who benefits and why would this happen and you know on that i've made myself clear and i still think i'm right i will say it is being used to fuel the left-right divide they're trying very hard to make you look that way and not towards the israel direction and now jimmy kimmel obviously the latest victim of the tit for tat removal of people and i think it's kind of funny because i saw a few comments how the left is considered to be the softer squishier people and they're like kind of equating the two it's like well they're not really equal one guy got fired from his job another guy got shot in the neck in front of a lot of people allegedly probably i think and it's just kind of funny that of course someone super soft would be like well our guy is a victim too i don't know it's just an interesting little thread but it doesn't really matter again going back to the tim dylan thing that i just watched he is very defensive of jimmy kimmel saying i don't care what he said or i don't like what he said but we do not want the government pressuring networks to remove people i think that the jimmy kimmel thing is really in a continuum of the networks losing a lot of money and trying to get rid of these multi-million dollar contracts from these people like ellen and stephen colbert and all these overpaid talk show hosts and so they're winding it down looking for any reason and that may be true but the reason shouldn't be they were pressured from the fcc to do something like that i remember when i was a kid watching jay leno with my dad and every night he would do a joke about the monica lewinski thing forever for months and months i was like jesus get over this and still you didn't hear clinton calling for jay leno to be fired and then actually kind of suggesting that they push that along and it does seem very sketchy and very just dirty i don't like it and i don't think anyone should like it free speech is always there for the speech you don't like so i gotta defend that i do think we should be careful what we say online i do think we're looking at some stuff where it seems as if this is going to push us the direction of digital ids and accountability for what's been said online by individuals and they're already arresting people in the uk that's not good i don't think we want to go down that road so even the people who say vile shit about his death you gotta let them say it it's the internet it's wild out there i don't like the idea of people getting fired for things they say online but i just think back to myself i changed my name because i couldn't be saying these things and be attached to my job like that just seems smart and i also think that you're getting fired is not the same as the government making a law about free speech whatever i say let everything run wild and just we'll see what happens as soon as it crosses into violence then we have a problem but don't uh get too wrapped up in the dialectic save your energy because it is probably going to get worse out there and if you see indications that this is pushing towards more accountability and a digital id you got to reject that even for the people that are saying the vile shit you dislike all right well anyway that was all to say some of those things would be addendums to the charlie kirk thing but i got to talk about the rating of it now i love the ratings because you can't hide it's the plus people deciding what it is and so for my first solo show on this topic they gave me a 4.8 hell yeah it's a beautiful thing so if you were on the fence if you were thinking that you were interested but you weren't sure if it would be worth it of course you sign up for plus not for one thing but for the whole archive and the ongoing show but if this was potentially a catalyst for you to sign up and you were wondering if it was good it is good 4.8 you know the people they will let me know if it isn't so 4.8 out of five about as good as you can get happy with that now the show before that the last full thc typical show interview i did dana kippel let's just rip the bandaid off guys worst show in terms of ratings that we've had probably since i've been doing ratings it came back up a little from where it was it was a 2.9 but now it's a 3.3 which is still very very low on our scale the comments were pretty brutal too i think a lot of it was me actually because this was first this was actually my first in-person interview and some of it also is probably because of her stream of consciousness flowy style and then some of it is the edit when i edited the show myself or we had our usual guy that i worked with for years we knew how to take the raw footage of what you guys are calling a 3.3 and we could tighten it up and we could take out the ums and ahs and we could have gotten a 4.3 out of it you know we could at least have bumped it up a point maybe even two sometimes and it would have not been noticeable to you and it would have been about 10 minutes shorter so i'm a little sad that my current situation doesn't allow us to do that and have the meticulous edits that we used to have and it's only really needed every so often anyway but when it's needed it's really needed and you know the people who say that was a bad episode they might have just said it was an okay one my attitude you know about the edit because there are questions people don't think the material should be edited they want to hear the person as they are i get that but my attitude is that the words are the words i can't change the words someone said but i can massage their presentation to make it easier on your ears what's wrong with that the best movies tv audiobooks everything we consume that has any production value at all is edited to make it a little bit better i think podcasting would benefit from more people doing that a lot of other people don't do it out of laziness and because they want to pump out as much as they can to flood the algorithm and stuff in the ads and keep at the top of the heap i liked my product being a bit more refined and we're not quite audiobooks but i used to think we were closer to that than the throwaway churn and burn content of a lot of podcasts but i signed up for the studio to be there for a year and i'm already working on my plan for what i might do after the end of that year because i do want to be able to keep the video but go back to a more robust edit some people just would benefit from it and i want all the shows to be as good as they can be so a little massaging to keep them good i don't think it hurts anyone a guy that comes to mind is ross ben ross ben love him he's a very modern mystic rastafarian guy we vibe on a lot of things he puts out a lot of good work he's also a very slow methodical speaker and if i can tighten those gaps i make him sound a lot better and i think that's why i've got the best ross ben interviews on the internet anyway that's just some of my thoughts about the situation i'm happy that we are coming back strong with richard grove i know this is going to be liked all right let's see what we got on the meetup calendar oh good lord it is light so so light we have september 28th sunday bunk bar in portland oregon and we have october 8th a wednesday in dayton ohio at the riverscape metro park only two events sad to see especially you know i've been thinking about this tim dylan episode third time i'm referencing it but that whole idea of we need to divest from the digital landscape it's really hurting our psyches and we need to get back to physical meetups and if you can't have people over especially strangers to your home this calendar is right there for you to be able to engage with like-minded people and be like man what are you thinking about this crazy thing i get tim's sentiment about talking to our neighbors quote-unquote people like literally around the block but so many people are captured by one side or another that it's nice to have the filter of thc and just be like i'm getting together with people who live in this area that like this show so i know we can find something in common and if things really are going to get worse it's probably good to know people that you don't have to bring up to speed even if you don't have the same history with them anyway use it at your leisure free and open to anyone who wants to find some like-minded locals higher side meetups.com and that is basically going to do it around here good times thanks again to all the new plus members and the long-term plus members i let the tech support people know that they might get some added tickets but it seems like there's barely any tickets at all so everyone figured it out and i appreciate that too seems like we got some bright ones in there anyway i hope you stick around for a while you are the best take care of you and yours everybody don't get swept up in the game i have done my part your move indoctrination agents diamond market manipulators and grand world fevers your fucking move we are in a lot of trouble across every industry food water and medicine computer tech and energy the people aren't paying attention not much is getting through gains in the information war are getting long overdue what's left for the big old octopus to get its tentacles around sure it's got a grip on everything but it's a long way down working but we need to be justice over grace