Ryan Cristian | Trump 2.0 Election Aftermath, Statism, & Smart Dust

All right, people, I am going to make this quick, but I just had to announce that for the next six weeks or so getting into the holiday season, I'm putting a lot of my show outlines up for auction again. I've mentioned before that I stick to a strict routine when preparing for and recording THC episodes, and part of that process, 95% of the time, going back many years, has been compiling my mess of notes into a roughly four to six page outline that I print out and then conduct the interview from as a template. I write in the margins, I cross questions off as we go along, I jot things down a guest says that I don't want to forget, and I usually have a good deal of material in these outlines that never even makes it to air. When an interview is done, I put a little staple in the corner and throw them in a drawer until the time comes to dust them off and show them to the people for the holidays. Some folks seek out signed scripts of their favorite movies or try to nab a concert set list before filing out into the parking lot. Well, this is like that, but for a weird, obscure podcast. So I am signing, listing, and auctioning off another round of these outlines I have to any listeners who might be interested in that kind of thing. Each one is totally unique, full of my own dumb notes and typos, never really designed for public consumption, but it's fine. If you're into it, they'll be listed on eBay, the link is at the top of the show notes, and I'll post links across the social media dystopias that I happen to have an unfortunate presence on. All the listings are set to go for 10 days each, so have at it, and I'll be ready to stuff those envelopes on the other side. Merry Christmas to me. Enjoy. Perfect Masters almost surely have a plan There's clearly maybe something there beyond the realm of man And until we've thoroughly tested every left-closed-chested view I find the more we think we know, the less we really do Where would we be without THC? Because we know they're lying to us Just don't know to what degree Where would we be without THC? The higher side chat show Greg Carlwood and Company Without THC Because we know they're lying to us Just don't know to what degree Where would we be without THC? The higher side chat show It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, people From the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood And regardless of the outcome, I think we're all at least a little happy the election season is over, right? Finally, the nauseating domination of fake political platitudes, pandering, and propaganda Can take a backseat to the tried and true regularly scheduled brainwashing, conditioning, and manipulation that we're used to And if you're paying attention to the people out there You can see that the range of reactions runs the gamut from absolute meltdowns of terror and fear To giddy elation and savior complexes in full swing Showing us that many people are living in two totally separate reality tunnels that are gonna be pretty hard to reconcile Well, in such a situation, I seek out calm, rational voices of the counterculture Who aren't heavily invested in either team And today, that's Ryan Christian of The Last American Vagabond He's been here three times before And he's well known for his unbiased coverage of our widespread corruption And lately, the geopolitical tiptoe towards full-scale war Here to get into what the results of the election might mean For the cautiously optimistic, conspiratorial mind The dedicated truth-teller, propaganda parser And the last true American vagabond Ryan, welcome back I think you're muted Of course, we pulled that right at the beginning I always enjoy your openings Yeah, maybe you can tell I just woke up So maybe that's why Well, there's a lot of people who need to just wake up It seems But I do love having you here Obviously, I have to line up interviews weeks in advance So we set this up before we knew how this election was going to go And I wanted to make sure whoever I talked to about it first Was going to be pretty objective and unemotional about the results Whatever they were Personally, I was a little surprised I thought the establishment and media had done a pretty good job Of wrapping Kamala Harris in the most generous, favorable coverage possible Parading out all the ditty party celebrities Psychically driving the whole convicted felon phrase over and over And that was going to be it I was surprised that didn't happen as expected And you can say that maybe people saw through one layer of propaganda classic And fell into a more nuanced and complex form If you really want to be completely cynical But I guess what were some of your first thoughts When you saw the red wave hit As they say Probably a little more cynical Probably to be honest about I mean, you know Kind of joking anyways Leading to what you said there But I mean, you know I think we've all gone through this so many times I don't get why people continue to feel Like even if everything you think is true about this process That we have to acknowledge That this just does not drive us anywhere And that's one of the earliest levels of kind of awareness around this But just to address what you were highlighting You know, and I've been saying this from the earliest stages of this And it's been my opinion I mean, only ever going to be my opinion Because how could I ever really know what the plan was Or who thought Despite all the partisan media Always kind of framing their opinions about things as the facts That's kind of one of the things that killed me about it But I think that it seems interestingly obvious That Donald Trump has come to power In the most important moments When his following would have been the most problematic For what agenda was coming Whether that's just the way it worked out And that's organic Or, you know, wherever you look at it As we have to acknowledge that is interesting And that is the case Like during COVID-19 He was the person that was in power And it ultimately pacified some Who would have been the most resistant Like I don't mean that they were completely out screaming about it It's not that they were not pushing back But just think about the difference If that had been Clinton And everybody knows this point Everyone's made this point I mean, it would have been wild to watch the Republicans They would have been more so marching through the streets analogy, right? And realistically That's probably what we should have been doing You know, in a lot of ways But so then we see the time frame Where a continuation of all that Donald Trump And I argue whoever would have been in that position Ultimately began And that's the Operation Warp Speed The vaccination process The lockdowns I mean, everything I mean, everything that happened during Biden's administration Under the COVID-19 time frame Was only really possible Which, again, they could do whatever they want But realistically, under the guise That we have processed in democracy That that was why these things continue to move forward The Defense Production Act The lockdowns The state of emergency All these different things But again, it's not one or the other They're absolutely both equally responsible In my opinion Just your government For all that happened And now we're rolling back into a time Where the way I look at it And I think we all see it You have the Great Reset Peeking its head back out You've got Elon Musk Rolling out all these things That we're just checking every box I mean, everybody in his cabinet For the most part that I can see Is completely tied in With the biomedical field With the Great Reset dynamic With SOAR I mean, everything that they were Otherwise concerned about And still, a lot of them uncomfortable And even the vaccination conversation And so, I just find it interesting That that, I guarantee Pacified a lot of them Now, all that aside I think that the Kamala Harris dynamic Is fascinating Because can't we all recognize That even she became more ridiculous During this process She went from being something That was like Everybody was okay Just going, you're terrible And we think you're a bad person And no, even your old party She was like one of the And still, I argue Is despite the political manipulation One of the most unpopular Political candidates We all knew that And then it just got turned into We're going to pretend That's not true We're going to say things like We think free speech is a problem Even though it's obvious Both parties are actively going to be Taking steps to remove your free speech And I'd love to get into that Around the e-Semitic aspect That everyone seems to ignore I guess, long story short To get into it I think that ultimately Or long story long That Kamala Harris Was being framed Whether by her knowledge or not Or involvement As the ridiculous Cartoonish version of herself To drive even Democrats To support Donald Trump Which I've seen more Than I've ever seen In any political dynamic In my life And you know what? All said and done I hope you guys are right about it I hope that's because He is the better choice And he'll bring in All these great things But I'm sure we'll get into All the different points And what's already going on With RK Jr. And I'm not very hopeful about it But I want to make sure That's clear I really genuinely hope You're right And I will be the first person To go I was so wrong And I can't be happier about it Yeah there's totally A difference between What you want to happen And what you think Will happen And we're talking about What you think will happen And I think he raised Some interesting points But kind of in line With what you were saying I have heard the argument That they let this happen So that they can crash Everything on his watch An economic pandemic Sort of thing And that might teach people A lesson about supporting people That they think are outside Of the entrenched network But also it might be A pacifier Like you say If you've got a big project You want to roll out And you know that There could be riots In the street Let the little outsider puppet Be at the head of the wheel So that people Aren't as quick to riot And storm the Capitol Or whatever they might do That's an interesting point So another reason We're talking on Friday When the election was Tuesday Is I really didn't think We would have results As fast as we did I guess we're still Kind of waiting On the House results Which I don't understand Isn't it just another Building circle In the same fucking form But regardless I wanted to step back And talk about The election day itself I know it's all In the rearview mirror now But I saw stories Of gas leaks And Russian bomb threats And glitches And outages And one attempted Self-emolation A lot of speculation That Trump had A Melania stand-in With this woman Who was wearing Big sunglasses inside And barely even Looked like his wife And then Harris Had that super cringy moment Where she faked a phone call And accidentally Showed her screen And it was on the camera app Kind of a wild day But as I said I guess none of it Really matters Because the win Was so decisive If the votes Are really tallied I don't know You wrote a piece Called Why Your Vote No Longer Counts And The Power Of Abstination From that perspective You must think A part of the system Somewhere wanted this Or it simply Would not have happened Right? I mean you kind of Did say that Well I mean the point Being that simply It's incredible That we all Can acknowledge In a thousand Different ways That this system Is manipulated Broken You know From one side Saying that Another country Stole it To the other side Saying the team Cheated And that's just The most basic Argument The point being That it's obvious That this system Is easily manipulated From the voting machine That we still continue To use That we all know Are completely I mean going back To Clint Curtis Testifying for State Congress Which is one of The most obvious Examples But there's Thousands of them Right? And it really does Show you clearly That this is easily Manipulated And so I don't Understand why we Pretend that's not The case When it goes The way we want It to What we're looking At right now There's so many Anomalies to this Right? So we were all Told that they Were going to cheat The argument is Which just to be Clear I don't think that I can prove to you As anybody objective Can that both sides Cheat in every way They can Going back as far As you can look It's an obvious Thing that's called The voting machines Are the most obvious But in a thousand ways Even things that are Part of the process Like gerrymandering Or you know These things that are Manipulated to gain What they want Over the other But you go back To say okay Well so the Democrats stole it From Trump The Trump's dynamic Was they stole it From him Okay and let's just Agree that there Was cheating Let's just even say That's exactly What happened Okay well Nothing's changed There's no new Systems The same machines Are used So you're just Going to run In the same process And they didn't Cheat enough this time Like I mean I'm not saying Maybe that's Exactly what happened But it seems Like a really weird Dynamic And on top of that That it's like A landslide They win every part Of every dynamic Of the political In both houses I mean it just seems Kind of ridiculous To say that that's I mean unless They're going to Unroll some Here's what we did This time And here's why They didn't win Which by the way Is sort of interesting Because last time We got that whole Newsweek Or the Time Magazine Article that's like Here's the shadow Week of all That helped save Democracy Remember that article That's like Admitting that they cheated But it's like But it's okay Because we saved Democracy You know both sides Admitted that they Were doing things Like that before This ever started Under the guise That well they're The bad guy And they're trying Already to cheat So we're cheating Essentially to Save democracy I'm the mind That most objective People whether They decide to vote Or lean into one Party or not All see these things And that's why We're all so kind of In this lesser of Evils ridiculous Position because The vast majority Of Americans are Not okay with how This all works But don't know What else to do And you got the Screaming partisans On either side That are invested In the system That argue that It's all because We all believe And you're the Only crazy one That wants to think Even third party Is somehow off the Table But isn't it my Vote aren't I Supposed to do What I believe in You know and it's Just back to the Point is that I think that where We are right now Is yeah I should Have started with This in case your Audience doesn't Know my full Opinion I don't Believe your vote Translates to the Outcome I think That's very simple Kind of for the Reasons we just Discussed along With a lot of Them so from my Perspective all of This is theater It's about trying To convince people That ultimately What does come Regardless of what You think was Your choice or at Least the party's Choice that you're Now angry with or You want to hate Because of it and It's this flip Flopping cycle of Like for example Jimmy Dore made This point which Is a fair point Kamal Harris and Joe Biden their Administration committed Genocide unequivocally There's no question Now Donald Trump as Much as I can prove To you what it is And we're going to See it play out is 100% in the same Position blindly Supporting of Israel His cabinet is Aggressively pro-Zionist That they're going to Let this continue but If he was in Position he would Have done the same Thing but we don't Know that for sure Right so now we have To go well we know They did genocide so We have to punish them And vote for the Other side but if We can't see how Transparently easy That is to just Kind of teeter-totter Us back and forth Between the bad guy Party who did the Bad things and we Realize that it's Always the one in Power that does the Bad because it's just Your government that Just oscillates around But I know not a lot Not everyone is in Mind with that opinion But I think where we Are now is about Trying to rationalize The great reset the Different choices That are going to be Put in front of us as Kind of responses to What the democrats did And a republican Perspective and again Back to the point in The beginning pacifies Who would be most Resistant to all of This and I'm terrified Of that but I really Hope that it all Turns out the way That they claim it Will and that RFK Changes all these Things like I'll be Honest even if he Does some of the Things he promised And all the bad Things happen that's Still a positive and I get why that might Be why they felt the Need to vote for this Position but I also Argue that itself could Be the ploy just to Get you to comply with What comes next I mean And that would be a Pretty easy way to Look at it you know And then we can't Come back from what Happens next but again I'm not trying to be All pessimistic I think That's what's happening I hold out hope That you're right Well in terms of The vote mattering I Do think it is Interesting that you're Seeing a lot of People on both sides Say where did 15 Million democratic Voters go you see That chart and it's Like trump's voters From the last three Elections are all Pretty much within a Couple million of Each other and all Of a sudden last Election there was This 15 million extra Votes it's like huh That's a curious Thing and even if we Might be aware that Elections have been Manipulated for a long Time I like to see Some people confronting Their own biases their Own propaganda and Say oh man maybe they Had a point maybe there Was some manipulation and That's a stepping stone To seeing more Manipulation perhaps if I'm trying to be super Optimistic but on the Subject of optimism let's Look at some of the Potential positives and Then we can get into The strings attached and The negative stuff and Feel free to counterpoint Me I'm really I don't Know the guy I'm not Vested I'm just like Here are some things he Said and again saying Things and doing things Are different I've seen A lot of politicians lie And say well this time It's going to be Different but first Let's say okay it's a Red sweep so that's a Good thing to me because There's no excuse to not Follow through there's no Congressional gridlock or Any of that to blame so If things don't happen The way that people who Are optimistic say they Will what are you going To do you know give up On elections or have no Faith in the system I Would say but rfk jr Obviously this is my Biggest point of Optimism I've interviewed Him here I've read the Fauci book I've heard Him talk on hundreds of Hours of big pharma Vaccines processed food Seed oils toxins gmos emfs And all that kind of Stuff and to have him in a Position of power over These things is basically My dream come true I've Got problems with his Stances in other areas but He's not being proposed to Be in charge of other Areas so let's just focus On this that looks good to Me in the last days of the Campaign they were talking About getting fluoride out Of the water at least Talking about it that's Good Trump also said he's Going to involve ron paul in Assessing government waste I Like ron paul I think that's A great use for him Trump Said he was going to pursue No tax on social security That would greatly help my Mom if it were to happen I would love to respond to These but I'm not going To remember all the points If we we go back to the First one do you mind Yeah yeah I'll stop there Go ahead we'd have to go In super deep but these Are excellent points and Well rfk juniors are a Very important one and I Know you have a counterpoint Yeah well no I mean I Think it's more so just About being objective about The risks and a same time Hopeful about what's Happening but I mean it's Like for me also we should Start with the point about The idea that right now It's already being put Forward and it's not Definitive right so it's Not like we're blindly Accepting what the media Is framing it as but there Are already very clear Indications that this is Not going the way it Should that there's Already discussions about How he might not pass Through congress essentially And be approved for the Position which by the way They knew this before and So all the conversations About it being absolute if It doesn't come to pass That is another political Game you know but so it Seems like they're already Sort of distancing the Idea that this is going to Be HHS or whatever the Point which I agree with You wholeheartedly I mean I Would say that in the Sense that I would love to See that happen I would Say though that it does Matter to me an Inconsistent or dishonest Stance anywhere else even Though you're right it's Not the same as the Medical health discussion Versus foreign policy but I have a hard time getting Past somebody who would Say they're anti-war and Then support open Genocide or at least Pretend it's not you know So there's plenty of Reasons he could be Compromised he could be Lying in order to get Into power but I just Don't know how you Morally rationalize that But I'm just saying I Think it doesn't matter To me a little bit because To me as a lot of people I really respect and The principled stance They're taking genocide is A red line for me no Matter how we're framing It no matter what part We're talking about if You support that that is A huge red line for me That's a no-go for no Matter what right because I mean we're talking About genocide here we're Talking about an Annihilation of entire Population but the point About what you're saying And how I agree and I Mean I would love to see These things and I would Love to see the fluoride Conversation seed oils and You know these things Being removed and the Exposure of endocrine Disrupting chemicals and Hopefully things like Bioxins and PFAS and Highlighting how just Overwhelmingly entrenched We are with these things That's in everywhere in Our lives but I'm already Seeing indications that That won't necessarily be The case in regard to How Trump leans into RFK Jr and on top of That like the fluoride For example I mean Let's make it simple Donald Trump is already Appointing people in Positions in his cabinet That completely contradict Those things people that Are lobbyists from big Pharma who would some of Those people be because I wanted to say that First off RFK was asked About the idea that the Campaign was distancing Himself or themselves From him now that he won And he said that's not True you're referencing Comments by Howard Lutnick and the campaign Has walked back those Statements and Howard Himself has disavowed Those statements so this Is just what RFK Jr is Saying of course he's Going to say well I was Promised you know don't Worry about that we will See we will see but I'm Optimistic about the Potential there's never Been better potential for This and I do agree that Genocide is a serious Thing doesn't get much More serious you could Argue that some of the Things RFK wants to Fight is a soft genocide On the American people In a lot of cases with The vaccines and the GMOs and all that so The point right there is Important that I think That I agree with you and Just to be clear I'm not Saying I blindly accept That that's why I was Saying in the beginning Is that it's just Something that is being Put forward I worry That's what's happening And of course that this Would be pushed back on All I'm saying is let's Be aware objective and Because right now for Example I'll point to this And I'll say this could Be completely misinformation It could be a lie I Worry this is what's Happening I do see some Of these things but Let's just be ready you Know and the response is Why are you blindly Buying this like that's Not what's happening but So I just think it's Really important that we Don't fall headlong into The fantasy land of all That's being promised and Then because what happens Is people then feel the Need to defend the change That becomes which Trump Did or every politician Does once they become you Know well we couldn't do It because of this we Have to wait until next Year and you know how This goes that's what I Worry about and I do see Those indications like Even the people that Lutnik were discussing or Even people like Pompeo or Jared Kushner I mean these Are the exact opposite of What we're being told is Happening just like last Time by the way and so Again I will wait to see What officially happens but The signs are not looking Good to me and I think That it's easy to Disregard these for people On the inside to fight The inside like these Kind of Q and on Narratives that take over There's a huge Underline within his Current support that is Aligned just like that you Know well you say you Know these early signs Were you and some of His cabinet picks are Already not good that's What I wanted to ask About is like what people Are already being Proposed to be in Positions especially in The big pharma realm Because I've only heard That he picked a chief Of staff first woman ever Even though he's such a Sexist I'm not saying She's a good person but I mean it kind of does Troll the people who are Like he's a total sexist Person that the whole Idea Whitney tweeted About this is like you Know hey but at least She's a woman right you Know and it's like if you Look at her background it Is everything we think We're fighting but the Narrative will be that she Is somebody who wants to Change that and it's Really easy to say those Things but if we look at What happened last time They said that about Mike Pompeo they said That about John Bolton They said that about Literally everybody who Then became Trump's Enemies until suddenly now They're not with Pompeo Again you know it's easy To pretend that what they Tell you is true I don't Know why I choose not to Believe the promises of Billionaires oligarchs That's just me though you Know wise wise well what Other cabinet people have You seen floated in just This short amount of time Bill Letnick for example Made it clear that they Already have like this Was the one that worried Me now again to be very Clear this is very Preliminary we're talking About points and Discussions and floated Names and only a few Picks so like right now What has been floated and We'll have to wait to see What happens so it's Important from both sides Not to accept what you Think will happen or you Know it's objective so Right now like what Letnick said in the Early discussions in an Interview before the Election had finished was That they have basically The leaders of big pharma And defense and I'm Going like why is that What anybody wants in This position and so Where the earliest Worries was well are They going to be packed With lobbyists just like Last time but my point Is well okay if lobbyists Are being put in these Positions in order to get Those people that we Just discussed in Position well they just Skip the point of the Lobbyists they're just Literally bringing in People like that was the Conversation though but he Was the lead of the Transition team so it's Fair to be able to Acknowledge with what he's Saying before it happens As what we currently know And he made it clear big Pharma defense I mean the Fact that people like we Already discussed even Jared Kushner despite being Part of the family these People are like Daniel McAdams made a big point About this if Kushner is the One who he stated is in Charge or playing a part in Picking the transition or the Teams to go forward I mean He's a diehard Zionist you Know and it matters to me as Much as I know it doesn't To some and I will make a Point about that which is Interesting is I'm not only Focusing on Israel or the Genocide even though these Are monumentally important Points there's a lot going On for me including what Happened in Georgia and RFP's overlap to that but What's interesting is that Clearly people that are Zionist in this position That support what's going On with the genocide these Are people that are going To be making decisions in His administration and so Obviously it matters if you Know we're talking about People that are one willing To blindly ignore what's Going on or align with a Foreign government that I Think is without question Influencing our policy and Then for people to tell us That these things don't Matter why you're talking About it so much and then Watch Trump's rallies where More than half of the People on stage are Mentioning Israel doesn't That seem like weird it's a Constant focus on this in The rallies but then we Talk about Israel somehow We're the ones over Focusing I mean a very Alarming thing that I keep Seeing that I think it's a Willful disregard of how Immersed it is with his Cabinet if it was China or Russia they'd be losing Their minds right right and I've heard Trump say some Pretty gnarly things Regarding Israel and Deporting and getting rid Of anybody who doesn't Support Israel and it's Like whoa dude that's Pretty nuts but and Kamal just the same Difference by the way just She just doesn't allow Which is an important Difference but in terms of The positions the cabinet Position so secretary of Agriculture is apparently Going to be representative Thomas Massey I don't Know a lot about him I Know Catherine Austin Fitz is very pro she Thinks that he's probably The best choice what I Do know or what I do Like is that apparently He has contacted Joel Saladin to be one of his Six advisors on the Committee for agriculture And Joel Saladin's a Previous guest of mine I Can't think of anyone Better in the organic Regenerative agriculture Space to try to put big Ag in check and try to Fix this country in terms Of our food health I mean That to me is another Perfect person and I Know that's way down the Chain you're talking About an advisor to a Person who might be in Charge of a department But still Joel Saladin Being involved in our Government in the food Area is pretty amazing to Me is that confirmed That Massey I heard that It was floated but I Didn't know if it was Confirmed yeah Joel Actually had a statement That he made that he Has been called and he Has accepted interesting Yeah I mean so it's the Same thing for me I Which I don't think it's A full endorsement or a Position at this point but Even the Ron Paul sort of Like giving that I will Support kind of I should Point out as well for Those that don't know my Work that not only am I Of the mind that the vote Doesn't translate but I Come from a very different Perspective of you know Whether or not everything Is legitimate in this Process that we should Probably ask ourselves Whether we even should be Choosing rulers over our Lives like a very Anarchistic mindset versus Statist mindset that's a Whole nother conversation as You know right but it's Be clear where I come from Now I'm of the mind that If we are forced to live Within this ruler society That we call democracy Whatever else that the Constitution for example is A powerful tool I can't Have these kind of Different opinions but I Believe that we should not Be in this position I'm Saying that because I Understand why a Ron Paul or Massey might come to the Position and I think this is One of the choke points of Statist mindset is that you Will end up rationalizing Support for a lesser of Evil and maybe because I'm Not going to disagree Massey Could probably if he's Allowed to have that Influence make a big Difference and I would Agree with Katharost and Fitts I think of all the People and I'm wildly Jaded when it comes to any Politician just because I Think it's the system that Even if they are genuine Does not let that happen But I would say that he is Easily one of the best People in that field saying The things that I would Agree with whether he Means or not I'd like to Believe he does often and So I think that it's easy to Fall into the trap to go Well okay he's in power he's Offering me a position which You know you could see why Let's just say they're the Most evil villain Administration whatever side In history you can see why They would go okay let's Cap these people that we Know are closer to what the People want to give us that Credence right but then at The same time maybe Massey Will be able to make Something or maybe they are Good people and they will Use them to change but it Worries me of continuing to Consent to this system that's My bigger issue is that first I don't believe they're Going to do what they claim They're doing you know Whether Kamala or Trump so That's clear I believe we Were in this position we're Going into the direction of The great reset and all the Different changes that we All see coming and I think That Massey tapping that Maybe with good intention I think is a problem I Think that ends up giving More credence to what will Happen or a Ron Paul for Example like I get it he Says okay Elon maybe he's Honest maybe he does want to Allow me to help him reduce The government because that's What Ron Paul's been fighting For forever and but if it Doesn't happen then all he Really did was give them more Credence to control our lives And I think that's what I Worry about but I hope because Massey does have a lot of Good things to say Yeah and I intentionally left Out Elon Musk because we're In such agreement on him not Being any kind of person to Hold up on a pedestal that it Just isn't even worth talking About I mean I know he's Involved of course but it's Like I think we both are on The same page about him and The technocracy and his role In the whole thing so no need To counterpoint him but as Much as I don't want to fall Into a savior motif sort of Thing and get wrapped up in the Excitement I also don't want Perfection to be the enemy of Good we only had two choices You know maybe we can strip The whole system away and Build a libertarian utopia but That isn't going to happen Today I'm already 40 years old I might have another 40 years Left if I'm lucky I want the Best available option an Available option I will Underline twice in bold print You know it's like yeah I'd Like a lot of other things to Be different and maybe look Maybe we have a system where Israel has put people out There like Epstein who's Compromised everybody who Could ever potentially rise to Power and said do whatever you Want when you get into a Position of power but if you Step in Israel's way we're Going to release this video of You fucking a kid 20 years Ago I'm sorry that might be The reality I hope that that Could be changed at some point But if we can fix the food Issues in this country I guess I would take that over not Doing it and still having the Same situation you have to Understand what you're Describing I mean look it Sounds like logic I mean There's logic to it but we Have to understand that that's A trap so if we're starting From the premise that this is What we're describing so make That clear right that it is The Israel controlling it bad Entity and you know lesser of You they're all evil but let's Hope we can get some positives Which by the way is the vast Majority of the opinion right Now left or right and we all See it well you know he does This is worth the vaccine but She's way worse okay so Ultimately if we keep doing This we only end up in a Downward spiral which by the Way is what we've been doing For decades and I think That's obvious and so I get The logic if it was one time Then you could maybe Rationalize going well you Know but next time but every Single time it's the same Dynamic and we have to at Least ask ourselves if you I Mean it's not hard to Recognize a power structure can Easily see okay they'll always Rationalize which one is not As bad okay so then all we Have to do is give them two People who both will lead you In the same direction make One look worse and they will Always lean into this dynamic I could be wrong but can't we At least consider that just to Counterpoint what you say is Always the same I would say It's usually the same but I've Never seen Joel Salton tapped For a position of power I've Never seen RFK jr tapped for A position of power I've never Seen Ron Paul brought into the Team I've never seen like people Literally cross the aisle like a Tulsi Gabbard to say hey you Know what's going on over here Is so bad I'm actually going to Rally around this guy who is a Bit of a buffoon but at least From within this administration We might be able to pump the Brakes on the direction that this Country is heading towards the Clips so I would say that is an Actual difference I agree with That completely see I'm not Trying to say that there's not Differences in the way that they Pull the veil over your eyes I'm Simply saying that I think Everything we're saying like Now we have to stand back and Look at this we're acting like We're scraping crumbs from the Table we're saying look you Know yeah it's all but at least I'll take this benefit over the I mean and if we can't see that We're trapped in this mindset of Hoping we get some little drip Down from the table when in Reality we're all anywhere else In the time frame pointing in This like it's the pinnacle of Election processes in the world And yet we're every time that's What I meant by the same is that It's lesser of evils most Important list of our Lifetime if you don't vote we Won't have another one the same Things we see every time so Trust me I am only saying what I My worry and what I sadly do Think is what's more logical but I hope you're right I hope that The mindset is that this is not As dark as it seems and that This will change things for Upward to climb but I don't see That and I've seen the same Arguments made throughout the Past so many elections and I've Seen the same arguments put Forward to a lesser degree and It always continues the same Agendas and the same war state And the same Israel support and So I'm just trying to Highlight like for example the Analogy I've seen this loaded This time frame as well that the End you know perfect is the Enemy of good it's okay well That these are idioms those Things make sense in some Context they always have some Kind of objective truth most Of these idioms in the world and That's why they're valid but These are not things that are All-encompassing so perfect being Enemy of good is the lesser of Evil that's the same frame it's Saying that we have to choose Something that is not perfect Because if we strive for Perfect we'll end up failing to Get well maybe I mean but this Is a mantra that traps us in the Idea that we have to accept what Is not the best or not even Better than what we've been Getting and you have to realize That the people we keep getting Put forward are ridiculous and We're going to believe that These are the best two people to Run this country out of Everybody no obviously not we're Not even discussing the third Party which I also don't think Are any better but my point is That we are trapped in this Structure and I think at any Point we can all recognize how Dishonest how deceptive how Completely surreptitious the Entire thing is but then we Always at this last moment which I get it we look around and we Go well what else am I going to Do well this is where I come into The point where I say there's a Lot of other things we can do Back to the point about Abstention that's one thing that They've stolen from you there Should be an option to abstain From the vote via protest not Not participate not not care But actually being so Politically active that you Recognize the point to where These choices are not the full Picture or I feel like we're Being cheated whatever you're Feeling you can say I vote on The record as abstain just like With the founding fathers like The UN votes why is it that we Don't have that because you'll Find out every single election The largest voting block is Somewhere between 40 plus Percent of people that simply Don't participate well some of Those are people that don't Care but I argue the vast Majority are people that do and Realize we're being cheated Then you've got as you well Know the majority of people That do vote the vast majority Or the the largest block is Independent and then we've got These two and so if we were Able to abstain every time and Then tallied on the screen you Would see 40 percent abstain and We go well okay so this is not Even legitimate the same things They claim about Venezuela or Anywhere else for a small far Lesser degree and so to me it's This trap you know and I'll Come back to the point and here For the segment the point here Is that I think that there's Logic to recognizing a positive Outcome for RFK for example and Man I really really hope that's Going to happen or Ross being Released of course I think those Are traps that be where I argue That this is being placed in front Of us to get us to just like with Massey and Ron Paul lean into What will ultimately be our Demise for what is coming I hope I'm wrong Yeah I agree so the nature of The show the first hour is going To be heard by way more people Than the second and I haven't Even got through the positives Because believe me I have a Whole page of negatives so I Don't want people to think I'm Just on the positive side but I Just figured we'd start with Positives the only other things On my list I just want to run Through are he said he wouldn't He would do no taxes on social Security and that would help my Mom he said no tax on Bitcoin That would help me and obviously Releasing Ross who is serving Two life sentences for operating The Silk Road that's a big deal And then today he came out with A ten point plan to actually Change the corrupt system and I Won't go through all ten but he Did say he wants to have a truth And reconciliation commission to Declassify and publish all documents On deep state spying censorship and Corruption I'm sure it'll be tilted To the benefit of one perspective Over another but that's the sort Of thing that has to happen for People to get past propaganda there Has to be this truth and Reconciliation thing so just the Conversation is interesting to me but Also term limits I mean my god forget The other eight points if we could Just have someone come honestly on Television and be like look these Are a lot of the big lies you've been Told you're living in a bubble you're Living in a propagandized reality Tunnel and we need to correct that Record before we can have a vaccine Legislation we need to first break Your programming on vaccines so like That's kind of good but term limits if We can get term limits for people in Congress I mean that's amazing the Ross thing is great because he said He would release him day one now a President can pardon a guy so you Either mean what you say or you Didn't he also said he'd release the JFK files in the first week or right Away let's see he said last time that He was going to but he was advised not To and he got scared but he said he Wouldn't get scared this time I'm Willing to give some people a do-over In an extreme situation I am too man But here if this was a one-off or not Political situation of course you and I We're out like okay I'll give you a Pass of course my opinion is you give People the benefit of the doubt Especially I respect you greatly Someone like you know of course I Would but it's somebody you don't know First of all none of us know Donald Trump we don't know what he thinks he Feels a lot of people like to pretend That but then on top of that it's a Politician so there's even more reason To not question and we're you know We're actually it behooves us as Americans to always question Politicians but we really do that These days but then even further he's Got precedent he's got clear examples A thousand different things that's Hyperbolic but you know lock her up JFK and yes there was at some point Except for Clinton by the way a Justification well even Clinton he was Like oh let it go they're good people Or whatever he said which is fucking Weird but so ultimately you say JFK And then but then there's a reason Why you don't happen okay that's all I ever say I'm not even maybe there's Even a justifiable reason maybe if you Ever found out why you'd go good I'm Glad he didn't do it but that's not My point my point is that they're Always and we all know this we just Love to point it out in the Partisanship on the other side only that When it comes down to it there's just A reason it doesn't happen the only Thing we have to engage on at this Point is past action and he didn't do It last time so right now the honest Thing to do would be like well Probably not I hope it does but the Difference is you get people that he Says it he floats a benign thing about The Fed everyone goes oh my god he's Gonna change the world it's like hold On I hope so but it's a what he just Said is like the most milquetoast Statement so I just want us to be Cautious there I really want this to Happen I do Ross for example I kind of Get the sense that that will probably Happen just because it's an easy bone To throw and even then regardless of His logic or reasoning just to get you To think he's positive I'll still take That as a win I mean hey Julian Assange got out under Biden odd as That is you know it's a political game About allusion in my opinion right but I only bring up the pardoning and the Releasing of the files because those Are things that we can judge fast and We can judge without this big process Like term limits you're gonna have to Get a lot of people to participate in Term limits being added to the Constitution and there's a lot of red Tape to make that happen the other Stuff putting these people in actual Positions of real power I mean as you Stated there can be roadblocks there When it comes to well we couldn't get Him approved for this or that but Whatever some of these things I'm Pointing out are just things to judge Him on quickly and fast within the First couple of weeks did these happen Or not but I do want to we got to get Into the negatives so just running Through a little bit of a list Derek Brose wrote two pieces for you four Reasons not to vote for Harris and four Reasons not to vote for Trump he added The unrepentant father of the COVID Shots support for limiting free speech Being a Zionist supporter and being Backed by the Bilderberg group namely Peter Thiel as his list and a bonus Reason erecting a police state in the Name of fighting legal immigration this Is a big one that I think should be Focused on this is from you you wrote This I believe it's also worth noting That the 2024 Republican Party platform Continues Trump's promise to carry out the Largest deportation operation in American History this is a promise Trump has made On the campaign trail for the last two Years and it's likely to lead to a Massive increase in police state measures By a federal government a smart or virtual Border wall has been supported by Trump In the Biden administration in February TLAV reported that more than 40 privacy Immigration rights and civil liberties Organizations called on the Biden Administration to abandon a bill which Would extend the Trump administration's Border policy and you go on to just talk About a biometric wall and some of these Things that you think are the Justifications for a digital ID and the Biometric stuff that we have so much Concern over the technocracy stuff like Whoever won you could say that there was Going to be a problem reaction solution that Got us to the same place and that's what I Want to save the last 15 minutes of the Free hour for because be optimistic about Some of the things I brought up sure but The main point is that there's two wings On one bird and that bird always takes us To the same place talk to us about where You think it's going to take us and how You think it's going to get us there given The situation we now have and probably Getting people to actually cheer on their Own enslavement in some ways yeah you Frame that really well mix I think it's Important to see as you highlighted it That either way and this is why and Again obviously hoping I'm wrong why People that see the two-party illusion Why this is so concerning because it's Right on the surface and even if it was The only point so there's so many other Issues that overlap in the same Direction not even getting to the wedge Issues that concern me but your point About so Kamala and Trump have both been Openly supporting the biometric wall Discussion and even weirdly how it kind Of dovetailed as they were like real wall No we want no wall and then it's like Okay biometric wall like right in the Same old thing like now they're both in That same position and so I think what's Important to see is that whoever won that This would have been the direction that Was rolling out and so the point you made From Trump's side is that it's interesting To see that the focus on it and Immigration is just one way that this Could be rolled out but focusing on Immigration which by the way there's so Many manipulations and pitfalls lies From both sides about all of this but the Point being that I think is most important Is that most of this comes from belligerent U.S. foreign policy and then manufacturing These things using them but either way Or even if it's just a genuine organic Thing that we have to respond to the point Is that by instituting what they're talking About and this is all very easy to see Within their own documentation that these Are the things that will be rolled out the Biometric scans the drones the biometric Wall aspect the social credit idea or the Digital ID aspect all of these things are All intertwined with that now they don't Say these things on the surface but if you Read it it's exactly what they're talking About and so the only way you can do What they're talking about and this is What even Bill Barr was pushing forward And plenty of other people in Trump's Past that this is this big massive Surveillance apparatus that's you know Now becoming this technocratic overlap and I think that that is what will happen and So you can argue that this may be one and This is almost interestingly enough coming Back to the point of what we're talking About the election that well immigration And what's happening are so problematic That we have to accept this bad thing Because well this was more important this Is how they get us and it's always like That and maybe you believe that but at the End of the day it's about ultimately Taking away freedoms and liberty and this Is where you come back to the idea of Like the anarchistic you know that Mindset that we have to err on that side Of it that it comes down to liberty and Freedom and that if what you're asking For removes that from somebody then You're in the wrong that's not always Exact so the point is that you can see That from Trump's side and the idea for Example the save act it was put forward As somehow supposed to help this election Even though Massey revealed that it Wouldn't have been either way was a Simply a Trojan horse for digital IDs and It was obvious it was using real ID Which I believe you've talked about right The real ID compliant identification The ID 2020 aspect and of course then When you combine that with the mobile Driver's license aspect which is also Rolling out at the same time from the Biden side it comes together to Basically only allow real ID compliant Identification that's digital ID and So they'll both point at each other and Saying well it was his thing they Didn't know it was his bill that did it And ultimately either way you have Digital IDs and I think this is how It all rolls forward and that's all under The guise of immigration and the Problem they're in and so I think That's where all is driving from Kamala's Side of it there's a lot of other ways You could look at it I don't think it's Been as clearly presented as the plans I don't mean that in the sense that It's not going to happen but I think That Trump's discussions and put Forward because I think that was what Was going to be the plan here he was The selection in my opinion we're all Very clear but Kamala's side of it was Just basically you know we don't think Free speech should be allowed you know The misinformation online all of them Lead to the same point because they Were already proposing these things Throughout the last four years the Idea of digital IDs or the idea of Social or the COVID-19 overlap to Social digital passports in the Context of vaccination you know so all Of these are there and we all see That each party wants to ignore it in Their side but I think that's the Problem is that we're rolling into This aggressively right now then you Fold in Elon Musk and Peter Thiel and J.D. Vance and Vivek J.D. Vance and Vivek who are just invested in the Biomedical field all these different Overlapping problems and again I feel Like I'm getting off the point that You asked about but either way the Point is that all of this I do think Leads in the same direction and whoever Got voted in ultimately that was going To happen I think we can blind Ourselves to that yeah I think it's Totally a fair point to say it seems Like again I only see things through Screens I don't live near a border Anymore but it seems like there's a Good case to be made that a lot of People were let in illegally we have a Problem and then the proposed solution Is going to be a police state solution It's going to be well we can't separate The real Americans from the illegals so We're going to have to I don't know how Extreme it's going to get but it's going To be a authoritarian solution that Probably does involve some form of added ID digital ID sure I don't know you even Did a story recently about smart dust and I Kind of like when it gets to this really Weird sci-fi level because you read Actual patents and you're just like what How is this real but Wells Fargo has a Patent that's pretty insane the text says Systems and methods for authenticating a User making a payment using MEMs MEMs are Micro electro mechanical systems you might Hear that term more often but this is Smart dust they can collect sensor data Including biometric data and capture Images of a person audio temperature pressure And motion data and compare it to a user Profile for authentication so this is Really crazy I don't understand why you Really need this kind of stuff but Apparently this is the level jump and What else are you seeing in terms of the Technocracy the technology involved in Increase surveillance and furthering these Agendas man this is a terrifying point Question the point should be we really Have no idea as the average person like For example you stumble into something Like this which I did the same thing Where I'm like what what else Fargo Patent and you know just blows your mind To look at this stuff and I'm sure you'll Include the link the patent doesn't Necessarily mean that it's in existence But these things are being studied and my Point is you can prove that these things Are real and that they're real time like Deploying of nanotechnology from an ATM to Be able to you're right this is wildly over The top but when you stumble into these Things and start going down these rabbit Holes you find that this stuff is crazy Out there the DARPA stuff the military Stuff it's been there for decades I mean I'm not talking just patents I mean real World experimentation and so you start Overlapping this with what we've already Seen for example the not GMO but the Flying vaccinators which that sounds Crazy to somebody that's never cared to Look at it but there's nature.com Science.org peer-reviewed studies about These things it's not a false discussion Mosquitoes that can vaccinate or deploy Something or the micro version of this or I mean all these different things then You go into what we don't really hear About the world economic forum discussions Like using your Wi-Fi devices to 3d map Rooms or to literally read your thoughts These are real things that are going on And this my point is if we're even Hearing about this God only knows what's Actually going on at the peak level this Research that's what really worries me is That we have this kind of blind rush Right now into this direction from a lot Of the people that are on Trump's Administration whether we're talking About the direct real world technocratic Rulership kind of mindset which I think Is happening with a lot of these you know Fake libertarian cities like Peter Deal Prospero and all this different Stuff that really does worry me but I Think it's also about the invasive stuff And that's where it gets into the most Alarming part for me like the Nanotechnology or injections let's say That we're not being told about Whitney said this I mean like four years Ago I swear I was so prescient that your Body is the new battlefield and I think We all see this right now where we're a Point where you know we still have the Kinetic foreign policy wars going on but There's a battle for whatever's going on Inside your body whether it's about Trying to essentially patent your genome As you know your body or these are real Conversations by the way like I think You even talked about this so we have The historical example of Monsanto for Example where you know they spray things All of a sudden oh your farm is mine now Because that's our patent which is real And happened many times or animals and Where these you know ultimately you Patent a certain gene and it ends up in An animal you could say well I own these Genes so the conversation is never Really been addressed but it's right There on the surface what happens if you Through let's say I don't know a Experimental genetic modification that Was put on the world suddenly your Genome has been altered to the point To where they say I own this patent I Own what's going on in your body now You may immediately get the pushback From certain people maybe even we get The right ruling from the Supreme Court that goes nope sorry that Doesn't happen but historically we've Seen it go the other direction I Forget the name of a ruling that was Way back I think it was corporations Inc or something like that was the Documentary I saw it the point is That clearly they've already ruled in This direction to say allow governments And people to patent real life so what Point do they make that step one point Do they say guess what you're all which In a way you could argue we already Are their minds you know chattel of the Government that they own us tax Slaves whatever else but that's where Worries me the most the smart dust Geogeneering overlap and all these Things which are you know what's funny Is you say these things out loud you Know there's somebody out there going These guys are crazy I know yeah these Things are all real you know and it Scares me yeah the smart dust is real And I'm sure it's great to be breathing That in but at least you're verified at The bank and I remember last time we Talked I was mentioning like my whole Thing about trying to grow a food Forest here and you were like well with All the spraying you know is organic Really organic and I agree that night I think it was a mosquito sprayer went Around my block and I was like god Damn it this is what Ryan's talking About I looked into that though and I Can't fight that machine directly but they Do make exceptions for beekeepers in my Area any beekeeper is on a list and they Don't spray in front of those people so I Just got to get bees the loopholes the Loopholes Ryan I'm figuring it out but I Wanted to ask you this so I know you are Anti-statism like that's kind of a big Staple of your position and I largely Agree I think that honestly libertarian Stuff I think it creates a power vacuum that You'd always be fighting to keep it from Being filled by some gangster some something But the biggest criticism about trump is That he wants to fix these things and He's doing it very authoritarian least very Dictatorial processes like one of his 10 Points today was he's going to reissue his 2020 executive order restoring the President's authority to remove rogue Bureaucrats and he will yield that Aggressively so people don't like his Approach but yet people also say the System is completely corrupt and Completely broken that the traditional Systems don't work anymore you can't do Anything with the traditional system you Can't make change that way so he wants to Be a little more aggressive with it and Then he gets the pushback of while you're A dictator you're bypassing the checks and Balances so it just seems a little bit Like a catch-22 to me so I guess I would Ask you if you're anti-statism and you're Pro-liberty and this libertarian anarchist Way is the right way you think the state Is going to go willingly clearly they're Not so how would you move towards your Ideal society your ideal type of government Without using force because it seems like That's the only way anything can really Change well so there's a lot to unpack and All that this deserves a three-hour podcast I Mean I would also say that I'm not the First person that should be breaking all This down I mean I'm evolving my opinion In all this over the years as well but Someone like a Larkin Rose for example Who's made their entire career around Breaking these things down the first point Is always first and foremost it's like Okay we live in a world right now the Basic premise of this where there's Obviously violence this does not remove Violence from your life people break in Steal rob murder all this all happens and You know maybe which rarely is the case The police will step in and save you all It's happening 99.9% of the time they Come in and investigate maybe do something Later right so that's the reality and of Of course they take notes about what Happened exactly but you know but that's Still you could argue makes people Worried to do it that's fair enough but Then the point is the government also Brings a level of their own violence to Your life so it's not about whether there Is violence over here that we wouldn't Have here it's about whether there's a Lesser amount of violence in your life and That arguably is okay we want the state Because that will be you know okay so The point is if you live in a world Where there's no state does that mean That there's more violence in your life Well I mean arguably we don't know That you can make rational arguments for Why that could be easily seen but I'd Like to find out the point is that we All love to go well this is safe over Here but that sounds crazy but that's Not really how that works out you know It's more of the illusion we have About feeling we're safe because of The state but it's not really true but So to the gangster point this is Something we talked about a lot of This recent conference is that Ultimately we live in the same world We do we're not going back to the 1700s of pitchforks everything That exists right now would exist Without the state you still have People that see themselves as Military as police and it comes down Of the people involved with the Community to ultimately decide you know You can have people that are as Markham points out there's private Security firms like Brinks for Example that people could hire that Have a far better track record than Our police because they are Incentivized to care because their Business and they care about whether You know you can say well you did I'm going to hire this one instead Of you and so they they ultimately Have a better record of dealing with Problems but my point would be aside From all of that is that there's Plenty of ways that you could Protect yourself and there's obvious Ways where ultimately people could Circumvent that just like today Right so it's really about whether You feel you want to err on the side Of freedom or err on the side of Control so you feel safer there's Plenty of quotes for that they come From our founding fathers well the Real crux of the question is how Would you move towards that system Without using force this is Something I thought about a lot okay So hypothetically we're being not Even where we are right now not Hypothetical and now you have Hypothetically a person who wants To try to change that so that's Hypothetical both pretend that Trump Genuinely wants the world that I want Or at least just wants less of what We're dealing with and goes okay well I'm just gonna step up and remove That and people then cry foul and say You're not going through checks and Balances like I get that that's Obviously possible but I don't Believe based on their record and That's all we can claim it on actions Precedent that that's actually what They want and the people around him Want more state more control they Just want to stop the side of them Versus but I think what's important To point out is first and foremost Yes that maybe you're right maybe That's what he's doing and I hope For the best but I err on the side Of the principles I don't believe That leaning into the state is the Right it is basically that is Violence to stop violence that's Ultimate means because if you're Calling on the state what that Means is you're okay with them Enacting violence in order to Achieve these ends potentially and So I think at the end of the day I Think it's about erring on those Principles and saying that we don't Believe violence I believe violence Begets violence just like any other Historical situation look where we Are right now you overthrow a Government you end up leading Back to the same position I Could be wrong but I think the way To go about this is ultimately see This is a hard conversation for What we just came from because These are vastly different worlds We're talking about voting and Going to a place where we're in Like this very hypothetical future About whether or not an entire World that happens to find The self in this position could Work and I do believe that's the Case but this is the conversation About the transition I often have This conversation like I was even Going to ask this in the panel we Didn't get to it how do you Overcome this status mindset that We've been ingrained with for Centuries like how do you Transition to that and that's a Very good conversation but I think That using the state using the Government using force to Ultimately bring a situation where You have less for I don't think That's how that works out and I Think sadly we're going to see That play out in front of us but Again I always hope that's the Case my point would be that we Want to go to a position where we Don't need a state we don't need Trump and the rest of them to Dictate to us this is where it's Hard for the Irish person to get Their mind around this but like Larkin would say just it's about He's full resistance you just we Don't engage with that anymore we Don't want that we want to go in a Different direction but this is Where you get into the different Stage of this conversation okay well Then they're going to come and try To initiate force against you okay There's stages this conversation and That's why it's hard to get into From this but your point is Obviously well taken that it might Lead in the direction where what He's doing will effectively make it Better my guess my point really is That that's not how that works When you're using violence the State to achieve less violence the State well right and I mean you Know trump's his own thing just an Example to show like well it seems Like really hard to break up the System without really getting in There and getting beyond the checks And balances that keep us locked in To the two-party system and Everything and I was really just Wondering how would you do it you Know how forget trump but how would You move towards a freer society Without a state by not using Violence when the state's going to Demand you use violence because They're not going to move Voluntarily here's a good broad Analogy and again my point would Be that this would be hypothetical It has to be right we don't know And I could present things that Somebody out there who believes in The state would always come back And say but but but but this and Maybe you're right but it's a Hypothetical but what Larkin points Out is for example and this again The reason this is hard is because It would be hypothetically let's Say everyone in the country decides We all want this but that rarely Happens but that's the only way you Can kind of see it would be that Okay so let's just say we want a Voluntarist state we don't want any State rather society we want a Situation where it's all voluntary Free exchange between free Individuals in whatever context okay So the state or whatever that Would be or an outside aspect Because the people whatever Somebody invades right somebody Comes in and decides they well We're going to push you back in This box well if literally Everybody just were not Complying some people would get Beat up somebody would get shot But eventually the people that Were doing that is the joke Larkin makes well there are Would eventually get tired right You're going to beat everybody Until suddenly people were still Not complying it comes down to a Point of whether it is feasible Or worth it like the point they Make is where the police Situation this is a microcosm of a Larger point is that you come Down to a place where you have a Protest or a riot let's say Police know when they're engaging With these situations what their Number is and I've interviewed People about this it's very real Where they know if they go past a Certain point of whether they Arrest them or whatever else Where they can't feasibly do it Whether they don't have enough People or places to put them in And so that's when you see the Police make a tactical decision And they just back off we all Seen that right we're all of a Sudden okay well it's violent But we can't do anything that's The same analogy military police Government they all have these Mindsets I can promise you and Even show you gained out Scenarios where the military the Government have done this to the Country so what happens if Everybody revolts what would we Do and how much could we resist They know what that number is and So we too should recognize that if We do in enough numbers decide to Say we do not want what you're Putting forward yeah somebody might Get hurt somebody but we do that With war today we go in Deploying war and risk our lives To fight for we it's the same Dynamic if we want this bad enough We can put our feet down but you See again as I've even worked Through this the vast majority of People listening this is so far Outside of the realm all I want People to consider if it's Possible that a world could exist Without a government whether or Not you think elections are Legitimate that's kind of what I Was pointing out in the beginning You know that we should at least Ask these questions because I Think we would all benefit from It fair enough and I definitely Don't like to get too lost in Hypotheticals but I do think you Make a good point that possibly Trump has put in this position So really bad operations can Take place and some people will Be pacified because they'll be Looking at the person in the President's chair and be like Well I think this guy's gonna Handle I think it's gonna be okay Meanwhile COVID happened the way It happened you know and that Wasn't all that great man well Wild times Ryan certainly wild Times I definitely appreciate you I Don't buy into the two-party System but I think we have some Reasons to be cautiously Optimistic about some things right Now again words are just words Without action but let's see what Happens you know and just make up Our minds as we go but I wish There were even more things on the Table for change just like you do But one step at a time I guess Before I let you go remind people Where they can keep up with your Ongoing work even the new media Alliance I hear you're a part of Yeah absolutely before I just Want to say thank you again for Talking you know it's this is get Again another example of how I Wouldn't say necessarily Disagreement but we have Different views on some of these Things and I think that's so Important right out there Listening like it is possible Ladies and gentlemen to have Different views and still Respect each other's opinions It's like it seems like a very Difficult thing in the world Today but you know I just think It's obviously optimistic and I Agree with you on that I see Plenty of like for example I Had an interview with Kath Ross and Fitz about this and she Is the same mind that she Thinks that there are possible Ways to salvage this through That and you know again it's Hard for me coming from a Mindset I don't believe the State should exist but if we Are going to live within this I Can see possible change like RFK jr and if any one of these Things happens I mean that's Nothing if not positive I just Worry about that positive change Could sort of be a undermined Underhanded effort to get Something else to happen but Either way that would be a Positive change and I'm Hopeful I'm really genuinely Hopeful about that and I hope That I'm wrong about where it May go but our work in general Always the last American Vagabond.com is the best Place to check out the bulk of The work I'm on a million Different platforms at least For now we'll see it what More we get knocked off of The day by day it seems that More happened but the Independent Media Alliance is What we recently started sort Of interestingly enough because Of the reaction we got before The election where I think I Don't know if we know it was A while ago our last interview But basically summer right After the Trump assassination I Got you here to talk about the Weirdness so it was about August I think well I was Going to say that I just we Didn't talk about this but my Point is that it's obvious That right before the Election every year a lot of Us like James Corbett has Been somebody that I look to When I started doing this I've always it's that's where A lot of those thoughts come From for me the idea of like Vote no one 2016 2020 like 2020 like this is what I've Always put out or the idea That you know the two-party Illusion for example and this Year got the craziest Response all of a sudden the Same thing hey vote no one How about you know two-party Illusion people have lost Their minds like a lot of Like higher level influence People like black pills and You're pure nobody can pass Your purity test and all This like I'm like whoa I Didn't comment underneath your Tweet I said this on my Library and it was just an Open idea you know open Idea and so we started Recognizing that there was a Lot of aggression against this And people were carrying out Like hit pieces about it it's Very weird and very Dishonest about our opinions And so we collected and Said look it's clear that There's at least we sense There's something coming on The teals of the COVID-19 Thing on the idea of all This that the technocracy the Biometric stuff we feel this Coming we think this is where It's going and we think that This is an effort so we Wanted to build something That's kind of an Organization of people no Money involved no financing No funding nothing just us Collecting and working Together in the interest of Trying to align with people That had three main things And if not more which is The awareness of the COVID-19 illusion awareness Of the two-party illusion And awareness of the Reality of the Israel agenda Right the Zionism and how The infiltration and I think These are important things so We collected around that now Right now we're in a little Bit of a holding pattern we've Had three interviews and Just kind of panels but we're Waiting for this platform is Being built by odyssey and it Is a independent decentralized Internet straddling platform so It's going to have two Websites it's going to have One on this new kind of Decentralized internet and it's Going to have the normal one The www.whatever and this is Going to be a centralized place For all the different people in The IMA to post their content Or rather just it will Automatically filter through There so people that want to Follow all of us can go on There and comment and engage It'll be its own platform and I Think that's an important Thing and so that'll be a Good new place that should be Coming out soon but I want to Stress again there's no Funding coming through there's No outside influence this is Just the people right there Transparently they're listed That just are independently Doing their work and then Occasionally joining and you Know it's just about the Stronger as you know with all That's happening kind of Sharing each other's work and So on you know I think that's Important but T-Lab is Always last American Vagabond.com is the best Place to go for all the work So I always enjoy talking with You Gray I mean I think we Have very you know not just Entertaining and engaging Conversations but we often find I think we come to Something new which I think is Why it's so important to have This conversation you know That our broker ideas come Together and we come to Something even better than That I think that's important So thanks for having me on Man Heck yeah I loved it thanks Again take care and keep Fighting the good vibe Thanks bro you too Holy hell higher side Chatters how about it well You know I consider Ryan to Be old reliable when it comes To current events and Cultural commentary I think It's probably easy for a lot Of you to see my rationale That in a pre-election results World Ryan was a good neutral Guest to schedule to have on Maybe he's even too neutral For some if there is such a Thing I did sort of feel like There were times where he Thought I might be more vested Than I am in the results I was really just plain devil's Advocate and trying to find Reasons to be cautiously Optimistic I'm the last person In the world that needs to hear Reality isn't perfect and I'm Kind of sick of having the But what if it was conversation Really it's about what level You want to have the Conversation on do you talk About the higher level the Overarching utopia the perfect Hypothetical society level the Philosophical level or are we Talking on the down to earth This is what's on the table Practical level I used to be Very idealistic I used to think More in utopian terms but after A few years it just felt like I Was putting my energy into such An uncompromising high in the Sky place that I would only find Myself deeply disappointed all The time and it's because I was Expecting something that was Never gonna come or just Completely being unwilling to Compromise and that's not gonna Work 300 million people can't Agree on anything and everyone Has their own version of utopia and For most of us here I think That's a libertarian ideal of Voluntarism and zero violence or Force but if you think it Through you'll never get there Because with so many competing Ideas you will have to impose Even freedom on some people and Now you're back to where you Started I guess I just reached This place that some might call Complacency where I just said Okay well who cares what I Would want in a perfect world This is the world I got what Moves can actually be made on This shitty chess board Legal weed okay I'll take That no state income tax great I'll have to move but I'll go Where they have that high quality Grass-fed organic food for my Family well it's not in the Grocery store but let me buy a Freezer and buy a full cow you Know where do I actually have Control where can I at least move Towards my ideals within the Framework of what we have here so I see the results of this Election come in and I say great The guy who at least talks about Some of the stuff I care about Won the guy who's been demonized By the big machine even if it's All for show regular folks don't See it that way so we might be Able to say the machine's Propaganda efforts sort of failed Okay well that's good lots of People having the conversation About the waning influence of Legacy media beautiful we Definitely need that to have a Chance of moving to a better World so I'll take that win I Never thought I would get what's Next well for him to even have a Chance of implementing things that Would interest me it had to be a Clean sweep of the House and Senate and a very decisive win oh Okay sure maybe it won't just be Gridlock this looks good I'm Trying to remain open then he Makes a series of videos talking About new policy shifts on a whole Bunch of stuff some I think goes Too far some I don't like at all Some I just roll my eyes at but who Cares some I say wow I've been in Favor of a thing like term limits my Whole life at least the guy who just One said he's gonna pursue that though I do agree with Ryan when he says It's kind of like being thankful for Table scraps but like I tell my Kids no ice cream isn't for dinner It's not even on the table these are Your two choices you can keep Obsessing over an option that's not Possible if you really want but good Luck with that I do love Ryan and on The hypothetical level there is very Little difference between us but in This period of time I'd rather focus On what sort of actual gains could we Make what sort of programming could be Retired or overcome could we actually See big pharma ads banned like the Rest of the civilized world would that Make progress on the public's Conditioning over time I say yeah Because it's not about the ads Themselves it's about news Organizations not being able to do Honest stories about their biggest Sponsor would that go away with the Incentive change would they be stuck In a position of repairing the Credibility or going bankrupt maybe let's See at least what could happen there When I was trying to structure the Interview it really was just like okay Here's a list of the possible positive Things and then we'll get into a list Of the negative things that weren't Ever on the table with either Candidate it just took me a while to Get through the positive list that it Made it look like I was all positive on This thing and that's really not the Case I said this to Ryan after we were Done recording but I guess I'm just Willing to make a compromise as Larry David said the great compromiser's line Was that a great compromise really Means nobody's happy everyone has a Line in the sand I just moved mine Further in so that it's at least Relevant to the conversation and Ryan Also he sent me a link after the show That the Department of Justice has Filed charges in the Iranian plot to Assassinate Trump so that's one of Those things that seems like we're Going to get World War three either way And that is a big World War three red Flag we talked about it being Hypothetical now it seems a little More real but I do think it's okay to Look at the bright side here I know that The machine is going to try to slam the Brakes on everything positive again and There are entrenched powers that will Definitely have to wet their beak and That sucks but I'm only going to be Alive for another 40 or 50 years so I'm Trying to be reasonable about what level Of change is possible and let's see if That tight monster claw of big pharma and Big ag can be loosened a little bit let's See if tariffs end up bringing Manufacturing back to the US I'm not an Economist but when I hear the same Boilerplate response from everyone of Tariffs are a tax that has passed on to You and only raises prices it sounds a Lot like vaccines are safe and effective It's one of those lines that's being Robotically repeated so often that it's A little creepy I would like to find an Economic expert that is a little more Open to how tariffs could have some Benefits for the medium or long term let Me know if you have any suggestions and I'm not a complete idiot I know it would Raise the price of non-domestic goods but That's not where the story ends that in Itself is supposed to be an incentive to Have companies bring manufacturing back to Get around the tariffs that's the part not A lot of people talk about anyway in the Plus show today we got past the politics And highlighted some really important Stories since he was last here we got lab Monkeys on the loose we talked about the Georgia biolab disaster six times worse Than the East Palestine train disaster in Terms of dioxins yikes we talked about the Recent document release regarding the CDC's Real plan to have quarantine camps we got Into Hurricane Helene and the lithium mine Story smart dust patents and several other Great topics you know the drill sign up for Plus and get the full show always add free And action-packed five two-hour episodes a Month the new custom RSS feed solution that Bypasses the need for username and password you Get the ratings the forums which I said I Should mention the forums more and I really Should there are some great threads in There I scrolled past a pretty lady looking For love in the singles thread and some Great suggestions in the guest suggestion Thread and then in the entrepreneurs thread I Figured I would highlight this it's from July but I gotta show some love for what I Think is a pretty good idea iced mocha one Says hello friends and ohana my brother Struck a lightning rod in the ground this Week the idea has been circulating in our Brains for years as we've been roaming Reading planting and meeting folks with Similar if not identical goals for the Future while taking some time in the gila Wilderness for reflection and restoration We came to the natural conclusion that it Was time to start our own nonprofit food Church in short food church believes in Free food living water and clean air how it Works well free church locations will grow Edible useful plants and trees protect and Enhance living water sources offer free Harvest yields encourage and teach self and Sustainable harvesting operate entirely on Donated labor property supplies and funding and Aimed to have several locations with free Accommodations resource sharing for resident Stewards and increased self-sufficiency for The masses they already have two initial Properties in New Mexico and they're actively Seeking more land and donations for supplies Labor and funding if you are interested in Helping out with food church in any way just Email info at food-church.org I mean I think this Sort of thing is great you know that and if you've Listened to RFK talk about what he wants to Do for federal rehab centers it sounds just Like this a place for people to get back on Their feet through regenerative agriculture I Love it that's pretty great kudos to you guys For not just sitting around but actually trying To build something important I hope some local Listeners in that area reach out and try to Contribute in some way I realize the forum isn't All that active but I hope if I highlight things Like that from time to time on the air at least the Word gets out to THC listeners and maybe it helps Connect a few more people but in higher side News I also relaunched the THC outline eBay auction Obviously you heard that at the beginning no need To go over all of it again but it's just a fun Little thing that allows me to get a little bit of A Christmas bonus and allows listeners who care to Get a fun piece of THC memorabilia if you looked at The lineup earlier in the week because I did tweet About this I also just added another big batch last Night and I'll keep adding them for the next couple Of weeks I think and if you have nothing to ask Santa for it does make for a pretty unique gift and That said as we do let's look at the rating of the Last show this one is with Dr. Heather Lynn I thought It was good but I also had some concerns that picky Listeners wouldn't want to hear so much personal Background and other listeners would be triggered By the Baphomet talk This is the show producer mind thinking what could Go wrong with this but it actually was one of the Highest rated THCs ever It's a five star literally no less than perfect Ratings at least not yet Not every single commenter liked it but obviously A five star review across everyone who gave one is Impressive some people have been still asking Where to find the ratings well the ratings are the five Stars right above the comment section all you got to do Is click the level of stars in which you wish to give But it's under the show notes and above the comments Also Dr. Lynn has been very active in the comments Answering questions and all that one of our listeners Actually knew that Pazuzu guy too isn't that crazy But that's another beautiful thing three or four of the Last six guests or so have all popped into the Comments to talk to listeners I love that It gives more life to the show itself and just makes THC plus in the website comment section that much more Appealing and then of course we got the meetup calendar Here we go on deck November 13th Athens Ohio at the West End Satterhouse November 17th Moundsville West Virginia at the Guest House Lounge November 21st Poor House Barbecue Canaan New Hampshire November 22nd Tampa Florida The Sale Plaza and now November 23rd Grand Rapids Michigan Kitchen 67 fun stuff and I'm like 90% sure I will be at the Tampa event I hope we have a decent turnout I'm sure it won't Be like San Diego's was just due to population density overall but We'll see who's out there but that is the show I do appreciate Ryan's insights and TLAV is a great place to get your current events Geopolitical news from I know politics is a real high wire act and this Conversation will have been too pessimistic for some too optimistic for Others and not panicking enough for yet a third segment of the audience but We do what we can let's see how it all shakes out take care of you and I've done my part your move parasite class players intelligence agency assets And globalist goons your fuckin' Journalistic ethics for the uncompromising fight Resistant to the constant pulls that yank us left and right He's a man without a party A guy without a place A true rebel outsider Never cave into the state Objective, honest, difficult The raw truth torture is carried on By the last American vagabond He can't sign off on genocide He can't consent to force Won't take the state's abuse Once government divorce He pauses propaganda Breaks the news without the slant Globalist, I see them But behold the people's chant Objective, honest, difficult The raw truth torture is carried on By the last American vagabond Principles, hell can't be mad at that Hope we see them round these parts again Have another higher side chant Propaganda breaks the news without the slant 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