Steve & Krys Crimi | Hermes, Inverted Myth, Sacrifice, & Gnosis

Hi there, and hello, Higher Side Chatters. It's been a while since I felt an interview needed context before we just got right into it, but reset that countdown because this is one of them. I mentioned Trouble in Paradise with the new studio, and sure enough, Trouble baked us a seven-layer cake with this one, and I will spare you all the details, but it's almost comical, dare I say cosmic, and I'm not one to invoke larger forces over what is often just technical difficulties, but given that this interview is about Hermes, and our guest felt like his epic book actually came from a Hermes download, and he commented that it all kind of felt like Hermes fucking with us, I guess it's worth putting out there. Let me just say, today was the first day that I ended up being late to the studio by almost 40 minutes due to a motorcycle accident on the highway that I unfortunately saw very close up, and our guests had been sick and sleep-deprived, so it's just an awkward energy to start with right out of the gate. Our normal studio sound booth board master was absent, so we had a few more sound issues that needed to be worked out. You can see my pulling my headphones away from my good ear because any time I talked, my voice would come barreling back at me in a terrible echo loop, but that is just a me problem. And in an even more rare circumstance, they had another client booked for the space immediately following me so we couldn't go long, and only that last factor really affects what you're about to hear because it came up quite short, but our guests were kind enough to record with me again and let me retest the idea of just doing all this stuff from home like the big kids do. We try to make it seamless in the transition, but it is hard to pick up a conversation that was started three weeks earlier. But either way, I really enjoyed the time I had with them. The book is very insightful when it comes to the Greek myths and much, much more, and I just like the way they see the world in several different ways. So know that it was cobbled together from technically three recordings, but I have some of the best cobblers in the game. And while some listeners might not even be able to notice, viewers certainly will notice a set and wardrobe change, and now you know why that is. And about the cacophony of wrenches, Hermes hurled at us from the vast ethereal unknown, but the show must go on, and go on it did. So enjoy. The planet's puppet masters Almost surely have a plan Maybe something there beyond the realm Early tested everything we know The list we It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, people. From the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood. And so many of us see through the various psyops engineered to shock and awes into cowering compliance, and we watch those around us acquiesce completely without a single critical passing thought as to why such a thing might be happening, if it was pre-planned, and is it being used to increase power and erode our rights? It very clearly seems to be mind control at work, but maybe there's something else happening too. We hear the mystics and the esoterically inclined talk about our entanglement with a non-physical realm of myths and archetypes, symbols and spirits from which our world acts like a stage for these eternal stories to play out. If this is true, to what degree can it be used, manipulated, and even weaponized against us? It is provocative to hear so many people call the COVID operation a ritual, but what kind of ritual is it? What source material might be used to craft it? And what lost knowledge about the very underpinnings of reality itself would have helped our fellow travelers see COVID as another occult inversion in a long line of such psychopathic wizardry? Well, these things get to the heart of a great 600-plus page masterwork from one of today's guests, Stephen Crimey, titled Hermes Runs the Game, inverted myth, sacrifice, and initiation informing the events of 2020 to 2024. He's joined with his wife, Chris, as well, who is an artist and passionate preserver of the gardening arts, implementing permaculture, electriculture, and Steiner's biodynamics. Together, they run Logo Sophia, an independent publisher focused on works that broadly fold in under the wide umbrella of practical mysticism. Buckle up for this one, folks. The COVID hoax highlighters, trickster bean exposers, and ritual template revealers. Steve and Chris. Chris and Steve, welcome to THC. Thank you. Thank you. That was grand. Thank you very much. We feel most welcome. Thank you. Of course, of course. As I mentioned this morning, I think a lot of folks here have COVID fatigue, but to look at those years through an esoteric and ritual lens backed up by your deep knowledge of the mythic and mystical is probably the only lens left that I want to look at those events through. But let's start out a bit broader and talk about how reality is structured so that these sorts of things make sense. We've all heard that the brain is more of a receiver of consciousness rather than the generator of it. But when I heard you talk about this previously, Steve, it finally clicked for me how these archons, God spirits actually operate through us mentally because that's their only real portal into the physical is through the consciousness apparently. But break this down a bit for us because it does help to make sense of a fairly complex paradigm that we're in. It's really complicated and unfortunately every road leads to paradox. And so in the end, you know, language and logic and thinking fall short. One of the sayings I think I like to use is that you can't get to the real through thought. And this is, again, an inversion of what everyone does. Philosophy pretty much since Aristotle has been about thought. Rationalism, which in my definition is trying to get to the real through thought and it doesn't get you there. The only thing that gets you to the real is a revelation, gnosis, some kind of spiritual insight that is ineffable, goes beyond language. So this is where we're always going to be at a difficulty. To talk about it, you have to go through all those problematic presuppositions. The mythic is an actual real realm. My one time that I did ayahuasca, that was the insight that was granted to me. And I wouldn't try it again, but it was an understanding that mythic reality is always happening, right? It's not a one and done, a thing in the past and all that. It's continuously happening. And where does it happen? Well, there's this sort of in-between place. It's called the imaginal realm by the great French writer, Henri Corban, who mostly wrote in the 50s and 60s, who spent a lot of time studying. He actually got stuck in Istanbul during World War II and spent this time studying this particular Persian philosopher called Suhuwardi, who developed something called the School of Light. He was a martyr for having those views. So the mythic realm is an actual real place. And in that mythic realm or the imaginal realm, and, you know, it probably hooks into, you know, Aboriginal dream time and things like that, is, in a sense, a more real realm than this one. And which is not hard to say because we can get into later, but this realm is not real at all. In fact, it's actually something that's run through us. There's no independently existing world out there. People talk about, is the earth round or is it flat? Well, it's neither. You pick your narrative. But the fact is that there is no independently existing world out there. And that's what the ancient teachings talk about. And especially for us, because we really want to, we studied yoga, classical yoga, so in Sanskrit, until we got a little bit of that. But really what's lost, because this is a Western civilization, is the sacred origins of that civilization. And the people before Plato, Parmenides, Empedocles, Pythagoras, Heraclitus, these people were mystics. And they, again, they went into these in-between realms and they were given by the gods laws, you know, teachings, things like that. So they would bring them back and they were inviolate. and so this realm, so this realm is, and I can't tell exactly how, but this realm is co-opted now by other beings where we pull up archons. I like the phrase archons and you can get in John Landlash's work where he discusses a lot of that. He uses the term mind-power-slite. And I will say that I was in a, it's like quite a mega church, but it was a big church in a warehouse a few years ago and they, it was a wedding and they did this whole crescendo thing and they were playing music and this whole thing and they were all waving their arms over their head and something dropped in. It felt like it dropped in and it was this dumb, brute force. And like my first thought was like, holy shit, Scotty, you know, put up the shields, you know, because I don't know what the heck this is, right? That was, I think, an experience of an archon because they're dumb and they feed off emotions. So all these people in this church who experienced this because I don't know anyone else who actually experienced it would have clued it in as Jesus. They think it's Jesus because it's powerful, but it's not. And so this is what we are up against. So you can say that that is the back level of all this, of all this crap that's going on, this inversion, what have you. And the ancient, ancient Christians who were before the supposed time that Jesus Christ were talking about the archons and talking about the Gnostic Christians who predated Christianity. They considered, a number of them considered Yahweh or Yahweh as an archon. And I would say if you look at D.B. Netanyahu, that's who we follow. That's my take on all that. So we get into the making friends section right away. So that is a great summary and to bring Chris in here a bit as it relates to kind of this structure of reality, I know that you're an artist who thinks often about the ideal of beauty and this used to be kind of thought of from the ancient Greeks as like a portal to the divine, right? It's not just subjective aesthetics, but art used to be a lot more than just something to look at, right? Yes, it's interactive of course and true good sublime art is transcendent and it carries you. So for a long time when we first came to Asheville in 1999 we fell into a sacred geometry group and some people may even know about Robert Gilbert's work and Vesica Institute and Robert was just getting started at that time and so there was a group who was meeting of very intelligent people just like delightfully intelligent and so they were doing classes over at the local library or just meetings of doing the actual geometry drawings so we were learning from just using a ruler and a compass and a pencil how to do the most complex geometric drawings which for me was quite an amazement because I flunked out of geometry in high school I was pathetic at it and I had to learn over from the ground up they were teaching us Euclidean geometry with the theorems and all of that and there's no way I could relate to it but this was very different these were drawings that were geometries that were generative so they generate forms and they take on or they're like a conduit not a channel but like a conduit for the spiritual that infuses each of us in our lives and infuses the whole material world but it comes from a sacred place so it starts in the unmanifest and then it's called in and it becomes manifest and in Indian art and sculptures it was understood that if you got the geometry right the deity would inhabit the artwork I agree with you I also experienced some kind of something when I stumbled across sacred geometry and all those forms it does seem like the building blocks of reality it did feel like more than just a learning to draw class or the typical math I was used to that never resonated I mean that's it it resonated to a degree it's like you see these codes and ratios in nature and this is just basically another pathway to seeing them is an art you can make so yeah I'm on that page too so Steve you were saying that it seems to you that this realm of archetypes and symbols has been kind of co-opted by archons and we know kind of the Sophia myth and the story of the archons from John Lash who's been here before but I guess I'm just curious maybe sometimes I think it's romanticizing the past but were the Greek gods something that's actually different from archons I mean were they better than archons I mean the book is Hermes runs the game we're going to get into how Hermes applies to what happened during the COVID era but it just seems like it's unclear to me is there even much of a separation between Egyptian gods Greek gods archons how do we sort all that out well like I said the gods are in this imaginal this liminal realm and so for me they're real because that realm is real and it's accessible not easily but especially now the archons are more or less like an overlay the way I see it and there and then you talked about the Sophia myth and that they are sort of a spillover from her mistake of falling in love with her creation and so there's all that but the gods themselves they're different realms for different civilizations but in general they're the same so Hermes for example has a particular set of things that he runs right he runs borders he runs travel he runs commerce right and so all those things I saw as involved in the whole COVID up and trickery and thievery even his own mother says that that you're going to be a pain in the ass to both gods and humans but Hermes is the one that's closest to the human realm because he's involved in the agora in commerce traveling all those things so Hermes is one god you can kind of relate to now other gods that you might encounter for example Persephone right are just really really powerful and of course she rules over the under realms the under realms that no one can get to without Hermes who is called the psychopop which means he's the guide of souls there's a reality to it but the fact is that our current materialist and archons are ones are you know propagating it cover over our access to the gods and that also leads to the whole concept of the ages all right so the golden age silver age bronze age and the iron age so in the golden age humans and gods live together and they especially ate together in the next age the gods are a little more abstracted but they could be called upon especially in meals and this gets back to the sacrifice the whole covid sacrifice and so eating together was a big thing in Greece and I talk mostly about Greece because that's our culture our culture is not judeo-christian our culture is greco-greco-roman if you want then the third age is more or less the age of heroes right and so you have the the iliad the odyssey and things like that where you discuss and and the gods kind of come in and and generally mess things up then the fourth age is our age which is the iron age and the age where the connection is completely severed right the iron age the kala yuga if you will you know and and I've noticed everybody and their brothers will tell you what dates the kala yuga began and and lots of people tell you it's over and it's just you know as chris likes to say it's a pig's breakfast out there yes i certainly get that so anyway so but it's still but you still can have access because i got a download of this book from hermes you know and i have had experiences with let's just say let's just call it persephone um the underground goddess so you know it's possible it's rare but it but all that is what informs my writing and so you know so your writing is is broadly cast into writing from or writing about and i try to write from as much as possible yes i'm so glad you put it in those terms because i actually was thinking on the way here that this book i enjoyed so much because it does seem like you are writing from a knowing rather than a researching you know i i have so many guests who maybe done great research spent many hours and hours combing over certain material but it doesn't go into the realm of experience lived experience and it does feel like your writing comes from more of a place of knowing direct knowledge rather than like third hand like i read a bunch of books and put the best stuff together so to get into covid as an example of how these things we're talking about practically work and how they can be weaponized for a greater effect let me quote the book you write everybody from elizabethian alchemist john d to marketing supervillain edward bernays knows that you cast a spell with language few comprehend the depth of language itself generating what we deem consensus reality and reality does not consist of things but of narratives engendered within us most think that there is a pre-existing world out there waiting for them to have more or less accurate thoughts about a world of inviolable physical structure the idea that you can apprehend reality through thoughts fuels the vehicle of all narratives of control so nobody blinked to clear their eyes when a mudslide of new terminology buried them from the blind side concocting a world as real as corporate news social distancing contact tracing PCR testing comorbidity coronavirus viral shedding carbon graphing nanobots etc etc the looming issue has people thinking that this terminology is merely descriptive of a world they already inhabit never probing the linguistic fabric wrapped so tightly that they mistake it for skin this language is their world echoed through the same corporate media that profits from the medical tyranny mirrored in nodding agreement through grimaces sequestered behind masks and expressed in imperious anger at anyone questioning the validity of this fictive web that somehow it makes perfect sense to stop a disease by keeping healthy people separated isolated and oxygen deprived damn well that does hit hard now help us understand how Hermes relates to the whole COVID op okay first of all I'm gonna hire you to do the audio book that's great I felt like I was struggling there but I'm gonna try to be quick because the whole the presupposition the background for all sacrifice is the original sacrifice all right and the Greeks couched this in what they call the one and the many so the question is how do you get from the one to the many all right because the one for Parmenides he called it being is you know it's unchanging it's unmoving it's unalterable and and so when people talk about evolution of consciousness it's problematic if you want to talk about the ancient times because this this fundamental being does not change it does nothing it doesn't shift it doesn't go up doesn't go down but to get from that to the other is the original sacrifice so in other words the one has to sacrifice into the many now how does it do that well the first division would be male and female divine feminine the divine masculine those two and then of course then there's the vesica overlap in the middle and if you were doing sacred geometry you would be able to draw from that simple overlap you would able to draw all the proportions that are needed to generate this this cosmos all right so as the pythagoras said it's the world is devised of number but number as quality not quantity you know whereas you know 15 2000 years later galileo says well the world is made of number but he's not talking about the same thing he's talking about quantity and you know new and the physicists and all that when world becomes materialist so you have to understand so the original sacrifice is a divine sacrifice of itself into manifestation you know so I give a number of examples in the book the most famous one I think probably being the Tao the one begot the two the two begot the three and the three begot the multitude of things you know something along those lines but every ancient tradition has something along those lines so that that division of the divine into those two and then into proportions all right so the those the golden mean proportion the two to three proportion the three to four proportion they give you like for example the musical fourth and fifth so in other words so you so the closer you are to that the more harmonious the proportions are this is played out really in Plato's most famous myth which is the myth of Atlantis which everybody thinks is historical and Plato is not a historian the whole myth is full of numbers and and it's a and it's a musicological allegory that shows you what happens when you start off with divine proportions and he goes in beginning there was all the gods and then this sort of human element works its way in and this is the fall of Atlantis and people have drawn out the musicological allegories of it and it's also a geometric allegory I don't know if you have John Michelle he did that work in his book so the closer you are to this origin to these proportions the closer you are to the divine so if you walk into short cathedral you resonate with those proportions because it's built on those proportions and it's in the stone and it it just resounds in there and you are uplifted just by being there and this is true of all temple architecture and it yeah because it's also true the opposite is true so when you walk into a bank or walmart or a soviet block building style architecture you're diminished because it's sucking the life blood out of you why do you feel so depleted when you leave when you leave a building like that as opposed to if you go to short cathedral saint john the divine or whatever you feel uplifted you feel renewed and you know actually in short cathedral when we were there keith critchlow who is a geometer from england an architect who we studied with he pointed out to us there are three main doors in the front of chartreth cathedral so you've got the main door and then two side doors he said that when you go in the right hand side and you ambulate circumambulate around the cathedral when you come out the other side they built it into the architecture that you're a foot higher you're up a foot higher than you were when you started wow so it has this effect on the physical and they built it into the architecture because they knew that and they had an aim and the aim was to elevate the human condition and the human spirit so that you come out a better person than when you first went in rather than being depleted we have talked about how some of that stuff worked in the ancient past and even earlier you said like it was interactive and I've heard people say that some of the Greek statues they would actually embody the spirit of the being and you could communicate with it like it was like a three-dimensional statue Ouija board kind of thing and it was just a consciousness to consciousness connection it was like the phone the saying is that if you get the proportions right the deity inhabits the statue yeah there you go like they're attracted to it or it just becomes a good vehicle for them the signal is strong and they can speak through it so I've wandered I've wandered from your question do you want to move on but I did want to so what happens with as you read the whole COVID op is a linguistic op this sacrifice there's a particular sacrifice in Greece it was an animal sacrifice and it was enjoined between the humans and the gods and there's all these aspects to it you would do an invocation you do an ablution you do then you actually sacrifice an animal and you would partake of it you would eat it and actually the crappy part of the animal went to the gods because they're happy with the smoke and then the good stuff was partaking of everyone there was a processional through town so what I show in the book because I'm gonna try to be really quick with this because you can read it it's very detailed but the COVID begins with with an invocation the invocation was event 201 right event 201 was the pre-COVID thing where they go in and they basically stated what they were going to do all right they invocated into their intention particular deities all right next thing was the ablution what's the first thing you heard wash your hands wash your hands wash your hands right but it wasn't like wash your hands with pure water you're washing your hands with Purell which is actually is chemical crap that makes you sicker all right next you know the next stage you know then there's a processional the procession you would bring the sacrificial animal through the streets they'd be singing dancing etc what were we told to do well we can't go outside we were locked down all right so it was an anti-procession you couldn't process you couldn't go you couldn't you and then you couldn't go out to dinner the sacrifice itself is the death of George Floyd in a certain sense which is an you know and it's again it's an inversion because right so all these things are inversions right you know washing her hands with chemical crap is an inversion so George Floyd again you know they usually would slit the throat and then you know and again in the book I say I don't want to demean George Floyd as far as sacrificial animal but for the people who killed him he was a sacrificial animal no better than worse right and you would in Greece you would take the best animal and you would garland it and dress it and what have you before you killed it and elevate it up to a sacrifice for the divine George Floyd of course he was a criminal you know he's not the worst person in the world but he was a drug addict obviously he died of a fentanyl and methamphetamine overdose but it was given that he was you know so it was given that this compression on the neck which of course the autopsy found there was no tissue damage on his neck you know killed him when in fact if you got the other the police cam angle it was on his shoulder holding him down all right basically he OD'd but then again so what did they do they dressed him up into this superhero later and gave him angelic wings and you know everything like that they even had icon paintings like greek icon paintings right yes right right so they turned this so they turned him into that so so that's you know more or less it but in reality of course it was all a movement to get people to take the shot of which who knows what the percentage is and that half is very dangerous very detrimental and in fact I got shed on and I had vertigo for nine months from from someone who just got the shot hugging me so that's so so that's how that's this sacrifice which was this thing that held the culture together was inverted and then turned to the thing to rip the culture apart interesting yes okay now now we're cooking I can kind of see what you're saying obviously I read the book but I'm trying to put my mind in the place of someone who's just hearing us talk and hasn't read the book and doesn't have all that context but the washing of the hands is really great I mean yes that's how it starts then there's a procession you know six feet apart you know that keeps the procession from actually happening you got to stay inside and six feet of course always invokes death like you're six feet under six feet apart so it does seem pretty calculated and obviously talking about George Floyd can be thorny but if you're saying like look I'm just an observer and I'm telling you there are people in a sorcerarchy controlling reality that are carrying out an inversion of a ritual and this is what they decided to do and I think a lot of people here would admit that situation seemed performative there's no real conversation about that these guys worked together knew each other this isn't a random cop pulling over a random guy so these people had a deeper relationship than is advertised so yeah it was a strange thing and it caused a lot of people to lose their minds the nearby Chase Bank near my house at the time got burnt down to the ground that was interesting to see so silver linings I guess right I guess to get deeper into how this works this is another quote from the book you say it was clear that Hermes as the trickster psychopomp guide of souls an arbiter of travel borders technology and communication wove his way into the fabric of our being in some grand and ubiquitous way and I like that and I want to better understand the steps in the process why did we go through a Hermes event not an Apollo event or a Venus event I understand these beings have their own agency but what really comes first do Bill Gates and Fauci consciously call on Hermes for help with this operation is it more subconscious walk us through how it works from the inception of the idea to the implementation of the operation I'm going to say I don't know whether it's hard to say whose side Hermes is on and and that again is in the ancient literature all right but because he's mercurial he's he's mercury yeah so he runs you know he's he's he's a very liminal he's a he's a border so besides the border between night and day and you know death and life he controls these these borders of our lives I would say that like everything with these people and we talked about our cons I mean it seems to me that they are mostly mimetic they mostly copy and in fact I think that the only reason why you know certain elements keep us even human is around is because we have a creative ability that they do not have I would death speculation on my part obviously I'm not on their email list or anything but I you know it seems to me that what we have is what humans have is a creativity that gets co-opted by by all these these these beings and entities and what-have-you because they need us to do something to invert so we come up with this sacrifice to you know to honor the divine and we take they take that and invert it so whatever Hermes is and his whatever his lines of communication are I think that they I think they are what they are and I think that that these people understood it and and and and co-opted because it's a linguistic as you've read before it's a linguistic thing all these ops are linguistic you know and we can talk about what's going on today which is not very different from COVID you know with the Charlie Kirk episode you know and the and and all these linguistic narratives that are that are being foisted upon us yeah and I'd like to bring in the component of emotions so they love to play on people's emotions because that's the best way to control someone so if you look at what Steve's done it's really pattern recognition writ large mm-hmm so he's just looking very I'm gonna say disinterestedly at the patterns and saying well this looks familiar what there's something about this that's familiar what is it what is it and because he's got the background in the Greek philosophy and the Indian philosophy and we we were trained to see and and to use discriminative discernment and to keep the emotions out of it to keep a steady steady gate then you're not pulled one way or the other I look at this debacle that's going on right now and I am appalled with the Kirk thing so now it's just like a big spectacle so they're gonna have we're gonna digress here but you know there's gonna be this big ceremony and in the stadium and it's like come on people it's you know it's dead a week yeah the posters are like some you know some sort of rock star they said that you know for the for this I don't know if you saw that they build it as an all-star whatever yeah all-star and you can buy tickets you know it's like you go into a football game yeah you can kind of see the mirroring of a situation like the George Floyd thing because here's this guy who is a person who was exalted by those on the left and maybe artificially so and not really worthy of such exaltation but on the other side the right's doing a similar thing Charlie Kirk you know objectively you know he said some things I liked and a lot of things I didn't like I'm not really a Christian I'm not really a conservative it doesn't really matter though I don't think anybody should be killed in cold blood and we should consider that a problem in our country if these are our neighbors you know I might not necessarily like my neighbor all that much but if he's shot in his driveway that bothers me so you know this is a this is a place we live but you could see on the left they think and from their perspective you're exalting a monster this guy said some of the most terrible depraved stuff ever and you're gonna put him with angel wings and a halo up on the side of the building like it's the same outrage but mirrored but you see if you understand that if you have the gravity to stay to stay grounded and not be pulled from one way or the other way that if you just look at what's happening like what do you see give me pattern recognition then you can determine well am I in agreement with this or am I not in agreement with this but they play the emotion card and it wins every time it's like the house always wins right the trauma you know it's always post-trauma go back to a Naomi Wolf's uh shock doctrine or Naomi Klein I got the wrong name Klein Klein anyway you know it's it's that's that's MKUltra 101 yeah so that's kind of what I wanted to get deeper into is the weaponization of just the way reality is structured so we started with hey this is the recontextualization of the structure of reality in this realm of forms and symbols and archetypes and they filter down through our consciousness we're inspired to have certain ideas we're maybe puppets for the gods so to speak I guess a little bit then it seems like there's powerful people who still have this context they don't actually believe a materialist context that they've taught to all of us and they play with these things and they manipulate them and weaponize them and when they put out a ritual or an op it catches like wildfire because that's how reality works even though we don't remember it that way and then it looks like the people who are doing the COVID thing are a little possessed they're in kind of a cult you know this is the language that was used at the time I guess I want to know a little bit more about the weaponization of this or who really has this context because you could say with the example of John Dee and Queen Elizabeth you know she's just obsessed with power she employs this magician and and she basically is like you know this is my objective consult the gods or do whatever and help throw some fuel on the fire and I assume it's how it is today like I assume that maybe Klaus Schwab and these guys like Gates and Fauci they decide they want to do something they consult those who are more inclined on the ritual spiritual symbolic layer of reality and then they say help us make this work and they all kind of work together I don't know but I guess I'm still struggling with like even if you see it as a ritual how do we how does it filter down how does it get to us and get implemented into society is it Hermes's idea I guess or is it Bill Gates and Fauci's idea well I think that yeah I think the transmutation the inversion is is the idea of any any control system from as far back as you want to go all right you know and we can start with for example Christianity when when it aligned itself with the Roman Empire and and changed everything around even though Tucker Carlson will tell me that no Christian has ever hurt anybody in the entire history of Christianity I think he might be wrong but and that's a whole other sideline but but it's but it's part of it because we still have you know kind of the receipts on that and on what happened to Christianity barely so it's kind of like what I said before that the fact that it gets it the script gets written for a connection to the divine you know you go back to the the Rig Veda you go back to all the ancient scriptures and they're all about making some kind of connection and eventually once we get into the much more modern era and I think the last I think the last stronghold really was the ancient Greeks so what we call the pre-Socratics the person the people who wrote before Plato and I think they were the last stand because the mystery traditions were kind of winding down in Greece I think even though and so that was again the sacrifice is more like what people did their daily lives and within the culture but also tens and maybe much more thousands of people went through the Lucian mysteries and the Samothrace mysteries and the mysteries of the divine mother and all these mysteries are condemned as as pagan Satan Satanism now by a particular church that Tucker Carlson belongs to and so that that's kind of like the last stronghold but again so this was the end of my book is about is is this light of the mystery tradition and it was described more or less as a living light and in the end no matter how many overlays it's like you know you know you must have seen you know certain you know certain plants will just come like pushing through the tarmac in a parking lot right that's kind of what the sacred does you can't get rid of it because without it without that light there's nothing that light going back to what I was talking about the original sacrifice from the being the oneness into the many without that there's nothing that that is the possible to be experienced substrate of our existence you know we've almost lost all abilities to do that and as and as Chris said because we've covered it over with this sort of emotional morass and and and and all this thing because we're always being pulled into our into our emotional field and this is an easy easy way to co-op people anger you know geez I get anger all the time you know it's just it's just hard not to yeah what happens when you see yourself you see how you're being played you can abstract from it you can see how they're trying to run something through you yeah and there's sort of a calmness and calmness in that see like right away yeah I mean you know once you see it 30 40 50 100 times because there's nothing there's not one narrative out there that's real it's just been found out that the that the the the pentateuch the the five books are only written down in 240 there's not one reference to the jewish bible before 240 bc all right shakespeare complete canard you know um it's just like one after another there's nothing I got another yeah my favorite sentence of book is basically that the fear the fear of covid the fear of everything the real fear is one that you're going to realize that they've been lying to you about everything your whole life you know and that's a hard world to live in it's a really hard world to live in but then if you get further and realize that your idea of yourself is just another freaking fiction and that and that it's a joke and and it's possible to like just crack up what you think about yourself sometimes you know what you think you are so you know everyone talks about the world as a matrix and the and the world is a simulacrum but no one talks about themselves as one you know but I'm real you know this the Stephen Krimmy thing is real you know and and this is what the ancients did they broke down you know the aspects of experience you know so for example in the in the classical yoga tradition there are two terms what is called ahamkara and what is called asmita asmita is is I amness so that's would be loosely translated as an ego and I think that I'm doing all these things right and I think these things are you know I'm do this I do that and these are my consequences and my little my little Steve goes on from life to life and all that and I'm I'm in this big school you know I'm learning from then you know and then there's something called ahamkara I am which means I'm making so in other words what you need in other words you can't transverse this reality without this sense that you are here and the room is there the door is there you can't go to the door you know if you don't understand you have this part of your experience where I'm separate from that within within this construct otherwise otherwise you can't move and not to interrupt you but you did send me an image of the tatva chart is that what we're going through right now because I'll have them throw it on would you like to we can you can pull that up and and we can we can explain that sure you won't see us pull it up but it will we'll put it up on the screen and post but this is a delineation of experience in classical yoga sam kaya samkya samkya okay awkward word I'm not used to the k's and the h's and the y's all jammed together like that yeah it's an aspirated k it's the difference between a k and a k fair so you you would think that people who spend their time engaged with the mystic arts and meditation like they go to these other realms more regularly and they develop more experience over there and then they develop a map so to speak and that's kind of what this is is right it's like primary consciousness and then how things filter down to our reality correct that's a that's a really good and primary consciousness is a good word because consciousness is not something that you can raise you don't raise your consciousness it's pure awareness it's just what it's isness it's just is it has no qualities so you can't raise consciousness but that's that's a good way that you phrased it that's so in order to really understand what that is I'm trying so well you got you kind of nailed it with that yeah what you said there so you have to I mean you can start by just watching your experience and see there's two aspects of it there's the consciousness and manifestation manifestation manifestation includes thoughts includes everything else consciousness is the awareness of the manifestation so divine male is consciousness divine female is all manifestation pure awareness and nothing else right so it's not it's not attack it's it's they they are inseparable and experience but but but you can distinguish the distinct but they're not apart from each other you can't have one without the other you can't because and according to that tougher chart and according to yoga and according to parmenides and pedocles all of this sensorium runs through you it's not we are now aware of a world out there it all runs through us because there's nothing out there anywhere there's just there is just our experience and in fact the divine needs us to experience its realms through our sensorium otherwise there's nothing out there for the divine to experience but everyone thinks that it's an independently existing world that exists eternally through time and the big bang and all this sort of stuff you know and it's just on and on but when if you get quiet enough in your experience and in that stillness you you are able to experience how this how this operates through you it's a radical vision radical in in the meaning of root yeah so radix root it's it's it's a primal knowing without all the extraneous thoughts floating around about it right on so you're kind of wading into what i was going to ask is how we can kind of revive these ways of thinking and living and maybe see the influences in ourselves and what we do what our will seems to be for example when i've talked to some of the more occult inclined guests they describe my job as mercurial or related to hermes communications and technology right that's what a podcast is but with that recognition is there anything that might help amplify my influence or a way to lean into this sort of stuff and these cosmic relationships like an example would be i heard this and i was like okay great now how do i make an action out of this new information that i've realized and i bought a talisman ring of mercury and i would wear it to try to better align myself with that energy if that's what my job is going to be and it actually started to burn my skin after a week and so i took it off and put it in a drawer i don't know he doesn't like me maybe maybe it was poorly done maybe it wasn't well done yes um yeah i would for me because i love books and reading i would start with reading the ancient text the hymn to hermes if you want to connect with hermes and the the orphic hymn to hermes and all that sort of stuff you know so that's you know one way to start i've uh i've got like a 12 page bibliography in the book but there's a guy named karenny who who's one of the few philosophers who writes about hermes and ancient greece from a very mystic perspective and of course there's robert graves who's um do you know robert graves i've i've heard the name white goddess white goddess he wrote um if you know that fit that that famous what's the i claudius i claudius which was which was maybe the best tell uh bbc series of all time about the roman emperor claudius um it's just it's delicious it's classic it never gets old robert graves wrote a book called the white goddess essential it's not even reading as much as a compendium of of all the ages he also did a book on greek mythology but have you noticed greg that we've been deprived of being educated in these terms yes obviously yes right so way back a hundred years ago turn of that century people were learning classical greek and latin i was fortunate enough to get church latin because i was raised as a catholic and so i i got that and that's gone now but um way gone um but i got that latin root so i was able to understand certain roots of words but people used to learn greek and ancient greek in high school that was de rigueur that's what you did and also when we first entered the ashram in new york we were there 10 years and we got this amazing classical classically oriented education and i was and we had to learn western philosophy along with the eastern philosophy which was brilliant because the idea was that we're westerners and everything we take in from the eastern philosophy is going to go through this filter of western we have a western body so everything we take in we need to know what's the ground that we're standing on that's our foundation is western philosophy so none of that was given to any of us and i was like 35 when i first got there and i was like this is like high school level we should have been learning about these pre-socratics empedocles parmenides these men they brought the they went into these deep introspective meditations called incubation where they would lie flat in a very dark place for an extended period and the god or goddess would come to them so asclepius would come to them for healing or justice would come to them and give them the laws and then they would come out and bring the laws out that's what our civilization is based on and we've been deprived of that knowledge did you even know that your western civilization is based on a sacred principle you'd never know it yeah and and it takes a lifetime really or many years of study to get into this stuff and when you're past the school age of life it gets hard to dedicate the amount of time required to really understand something as dense and as as wide as the breadth of uh you know all this mythology but to make this actionable for people so let's say people are listening and they're like okay yeah i do recognize that maybe reality is structured in this way we've been talking about but yet i have no context i haven't been taught it i don't really have the time to go and unpack all of greek mythology but let's say a person thinks about the job they do or what their will seems oriented towards if we made this actionable would you recommend them to be like okay we'll take those things those qualities and then you can just look up what gods and goddesses and myths relate to those qualities get yourself familiar with those beings and maybe that throws some fuel on your true will maybe if you align yourself with these beings you know there's people out there who are going to be like you know this is a backdoor to demon demonology but that's their problem that's not my problem fair fair well how do we make this actionable well i think yeah the first thing you could do is just just like everything else if you're just starting out you're just going to follow what calls you and just and just follow if certain if certain gods or something like that maybe call to you or legyptian mythology or or or the yoga system or the rig vedic system you know if those things call to you then then you know i think it's a good idea to follow that and at some point someone will arrive who might know a little something you know and of course in the meantime you could read hermes runs the game i suggest to everybody but you know i think that's a that's a way to start you know we were lucky we encountered like i said we we encountered a yoga center on long island that we're lucky part of and it was very traditional we learned sanskrit and you know so we hang out in ashley and ashley like you know newt was i don't god knows what it is now but it was new age center new age central but it was it was often a frustration on our part that you know and still is to a certain extent that we can't go to any real depth you know and we only know like a couple of people really that you know that we can go to a real depth on this with so you got to take it where it is understand this is the kala yuga and you know and do the best you can if you have an inclination to understand the divine in your life that's a start they say the deity if you go halfway to the deity the deity runs halfway to you somewhere in in in the yoga commentaries um but you know i mean that's that's an action and what that's going to lead you to because you know i'm not into like you know flow charts or you know or getting up and talking into the mirror and i'm going to do this that and the other thing affirmations affirmations yes my favorite so and um oh why does she never mind anyway the um but so because the end game is to know live at a point where you where you are so you know what's to be done in the moment and that and whatever is to be done without looking for the consequences positive negative i mean this is the teaching of the bhagavad-gita you know which you know which ends in you know arjuna fighting a war you know it doesn't end in in you know in kumbaya and and and things like that so i think that you know the end game is to really know what needs to be done in the moment and that'll be shown to you and that and when that's shown to you so the greeks would call that having a daemon yeah which the christian church of course turned into demon and like so socrates famously had a daemon and he said it told him what not to do he said it wasn't very good at telling him what to do he never knew what to do but he he knew what not to do and i kind of have that in my life she's kind of like yeah i know all right you don't go there brother you know so i don't know if that answers your question but that's you know because i'm like the last person to tell anybody what to do yeah well you could think of it sometimes maybe a good approach is to look at the gods as archetypes although it's not exactly a fit but for the westerner who's just getting started that's might be an opening but it goes it's it's more sophisticated than that right right the language is hard but i come at this really from watching the elite and watching the the parasite class the controller class and seeing what they do and they seem to have some very strange beliefs that go well beyond any of the abrahamic religions and they seem to be weaponizing it against us so it it's just something that i observe from that perspective and then try to reverse engineer huh well they probably know more than me they have more access to knowledge they preserve their knowledge a bit better so maybe i should start to think along those lines but less dark yeah right because yeah because the libraries have all been burned that too xandria library where you know you know we only know about certain people because of the heresiologist who wrote against them but here's another way of looking at that is that our libraries have this is what i thought you meant our libraries have been burnt in that since the turn this last century books have been removed that too so it's it's kind of like a modern day book burning in that they just removed pertinent information like you talked about jason beshears and he was saying that he will you know he collects all these antique books he doesn't even look at buying a book if it was published after 1920 and he's showing that like the encyclopedia britannica had i don't know let's let's grab a number and say 60 volumes now it stands to like 35 well where'd all the rest of that knowledge go that's a book burning so it wasn't just that's good you know i didn't look at it that way before but that's that's essentially what they've done to us if they robbed us of knowledge so you have to be proactive you have to have a burning desire from within to have real knowledge and not just to be spoon-fed knowledge but you have to want to work you have to use some kind of discipline in your life yeah it's hard but and i know everybody's busy everybody's tired everybody's burned out oh well do it anyway yeah so be it i would just like to make a suggestion that if you read the book if your listeners read the book peter kingsley's book reality take that parmenides poem and put it back together or steve's book put it back together so that you've got the whole thread of the poem read that poem but read it piece like take each line and unpack it read it over and oh it's kind of long but do it and you will get an opening that will help you to see in a different way it will help it will like drop the veil drop the scales from your eyes and you'll be able to see and perceive in a new way in a new old way that would be my suggestion that's what i did and as i did that i realized like you know you can't just read it and skim it it's not meant to be that way right reflect on it let them carry you carry you carry you let it carry you well we've given the people the tools hopefully they'll uh experiment with that thanks for letting get that in of course and just remind people if there's anything else you want to tell them about the book that maybe you might recall us missing before but it is a hefty one but give them the uh the old goodbye pitch logos sophia books.com hello so it's the logos and the sofia um and that's where you get my book and then we we have a whole bunch of other wonderful books um i think we're up to 30 now um that we publish and um we also have an obscure channel good crack uh youtube channel that we haven't um put up not certainly we haven't put up anything since the hurricane hit here a year ago so we've been uh slowly talking about getting that going again and my sub stack and i think if you hit sub stack and chris and steve crimmie um i think it'll it'll it'll pop up so you can read the red heifer and you read uh you know and and um you know i i think i write a lot better than i speak so as soon as you enjoy you enjoy i'm listening to him reading my stuff as i said that's pretty good so so um yeah just a quick funny story sure um if you don't mind yeah so um there's this thing called academia edu where because it's it's if you like if you're like an uh a non-academic scholar like me you you you can't afford to buy scholarly articles unless you're within an institution that that buys them for you a lot of scholars put up their papers on uh on academia so i have a bunch of uh mostly chapters for my books but also a couple of other papers up there and so and then they and then they send you feed well you might be interested in this so uh one of my chapters of my previous book catabatic wind was on this comparison of hamlet with the arjuna who is the uh the main character of the bhagavad-gita and i found all these interesting similarities and may end up being a long essay so then they send me this feed of some of someone oh look someone's written a piece on on hamlet and arjuna how interesting and i'm reading it and i'm reading it and i'm saying oh wow this guy's really good you know he's oh what what great insights and then like i'm like three paragraphs and i'm like holy shit this is my piece ah that's gotta be nice but the guy clipped it the guy stole it claimed it was him um and then i got i got this like you know really uh apology non-apology oh it wasn't that there's an indian guy who's looking to just you know put something in and he's just like oh you know it was an accident right right always anyway when you get caught it's always an accident anyway but so you know i i just the point of the point being i'm pretty abstracted from what i write in a lot of ways you know and so i don't even realize it's because i think it's it's a lot of it is talia channeled yeah coming through in a lot of ways so anyway thanks for the thanks for the opportunity the kids were really good today yeah well half of the half of the troublemakers aren't here so yes thank you so much i appreciate bearing with me trying to get a simple two-hour interview recorded has taken a lot of effort and we got it done now i think so thank you so much i think we gained we gave people a lot of interesting insights like if everything is filtered down from the spiritual realm covid would be as well and that's obviously what the book is about is giving people all the lost context to understand how an event like that could be an inversion of something almost eternal a myth that runs in the ethereal so i appreciate it thank you guys so much and take care all right well this will forever be the interview in thc history that prompted me to make a big change in how we do it and i've started the process of trying to elevate my home setup i bought some stuff it isn't in place yet but we'll see i'm reconfiguring the home workflow and winding down my time at the studio and i'm sure i'm going to reorganize these books back here anyway it was fun while it lasted it was a little over-the-top way to launch the video aspect but the great and powerful oz has spoken it's not working out i don't live that close traffic can vary wildly and i simply have more control at home i don't need a fancy set i need to feel comfortable and know that if a guest wants to keep going we're not on anyone else's time that's important these are the things that would not go away even if the most talented and competent staff wasn't pushed out so you know i would rather just produce good interviews and not worry too much about having to brief you on the inside baseball stuff but here we are anyway i appreciate steve and chris taking the extra time to meet with me more than once and i think even just in the two parts of this interview it's pretty clear when you compare them that i'm way more comfortable at home and in terms of the quality it really doesn't matter at all i do think this will be well liked i'm a little concerned that we didn't exactly articulate every last detail and connect every dot in the argument that we said we were going to make but i still think there's a lot of surrounding material that should be well liked the vast majority of the home recording part is just the plus show but that is where i had time to think about how to get the best out of them given what i had already gotten and i think that part was very good i like hearing about the breakthrough experiences of people who seem to have a good handle on the unseen world and its influence and we did that in a big way i think his story about the stained glass window was really great and that's just the thing we talk about all the time the maybe it's romanticizing a little bit but the actual ability to elevate and alter consciousness and get to divine states using all the tools in the toolbox that were embedded in a lot of those cathedrals so to see or at least hear a story firsthand of someone who had that experience it's kind of like the technology isn't totally dead it's still there for people who go in with the right mindset and have that genuine experience it's nice to get that confirmation i guess is what i'm saying and uh he also wanted to restress the notion that this is not a christian nation that that's a hijack and we should get back to our older deeper roots say what you might about that idea but the reason i think that steve feels so compelled to get that point across and he did kind of say this is because that christian identity is going to be used and weaponized in the next couple of years to get us into the next big round of eternal holy war that they seem to keep pushing for if you can propagate the message that we're not decisively a christian nation then it's hard to get us vested in the dialectic or tri-electic of the big three religions trying to wipe out each other in the next few years i also think it's a worthy point and i hope his point is understood that uh it's not really a personal attack on anyone you can be a christian but the idea that we have been founded an obligation to be a christian nation to fight in this holy war that's a different thing altogether so you do you in the plus show we picked it up fleshing out some of the things that they said in our first session we talked about some of those personal breakthrough experiences that i thought were really fun to hear about and then we talked more about the erica kirk speech where she talks about that gray hair that charlie had a very strange thing to focus on i would say and it only really makes sense if you're trying to match symbolically the rules laid out for the red heifer sacrifice i found that really interesting so many people in conspiracy land were talking about the red heifers some are talking about them literally and that a certain farm has shipped the red heifers off i don't know but i do know that speech was weird and maybe it's a fit it's also a bit wild that when we talked about the george floyd sacrifice in the first session i was kind of in real time thinking about the symbolic symmetry between charlie kirk and george floyd and i learned only after that they have the same birthday i think i mentioned this in a wrap-up we talked about it at the meetup that i'd already said this on air but uh maybe the continuity is screwed up but at that time i didn't know it and i learned it in between the two sessions and that is just too weird that's snake eyes level weird but i hope you liked this episode i think it's stitched together pretty nicely and i think you'll see that a couple of studio shows are still in the pipeline but i've also been recording them from home so it's going to be scattered you know which ones come out but after that it's pretty much going to be smooth sailing here and i'm just getting used to things like sharing my screen in the middle of an interview and getting those resources into the video myself rather than just doing it all in post i actually think it's better it allows the guest to feel like we're commenting in real time about whatever it is that they're throwing up and of course i'm going to put those in the show notes as well but i've learned i'm pretty comfortable with the multitasking and making some of our interviews a bit more multimedia weird tangent but i do remember back in the early days of wanting to do stand-up having these conversations that stand-up is one of the few things where you can't really practice in advance you have to practice live in front of an audience it's not like learning guitar or piano or anything where you can do it in isolation and then do it for a crowd and it's basically the same thing sure there's nerves and all that but stand-up is so interactive that it's just really hard to practice alone i mean yeah you can memorize some shit but it's just different and what i'm doing here is also while it's not super complicated i'm not trying to say that it is also like something that i can only really do live i can think i have everything set up correctly i can be prepared with my imagery that i'm gonna flex in at the right parts of the interview but it is also still like a live thing and it's hard to practice in advance some of that especially with an organic conversation but i am super psyched about the ones that you're going to see popping up here probably the beginning of december anyway sign up for plus if you like what i'm doing here eight to 12 bucks a month and you get five fully packed interviews you know the deal always add free the higher side chats.com as for the last show and how its rating has been going let's get into that and i also should say that people keep asking me where to rate the show and i guess i got to remind myself to remind you that any plus member can log in and on the page for a given episode you will see above the comment section below the show notes a section with five stars and you can click on any number of stars that you wish to give a show so any plus member can log in use the five star rating system and contribute to the overall aggregate rating and last week we had the godfather the king of conspiracy culture himself the great david ike i try to get david every so often just because it's a personal joy for me i know it's not much of a subscription seller because there's no shortage of david content out there but for me he is like an actual celebrity that i get nervous to talk to and that's fun but it was well liked a good interview that netted a 4.7 i can't complain about that especially given like what i said there's a lot of content out there it's hard to say you've heard something new and there were comments that said that that thought this was just kind of review they didn't hear much they hadn't heard before i get that but i think the rating is high just out of a general love for him i don't know if people are all literally rating this exact two hours of content they're just like david ike's awesome five stars that's what i would do and i get that so i have the next four recorded as i was kind of saying i would say two are good and two are great a couple people have asked me if i'm going to do the signed script outline auction thing again this season and i don't think so i like doing it it has been a nice little christmas bump for me a nice little uh bonus check we could say but i just don't have the time right now and even though i have scripts that have piled up and are sitting in a drawer i'm just too tired this year to go and stand in line at the post office in specifically the months of november and december maybe i'll dust it off in the summer i know i'm really only talking to a few people who are interested but i appreciate that anyone is interested in that and thought to ask and uh maybe think about it more ask me again in six months let's say that and when it comes to the meetup calendar the last piece of the wrap-up puzzle let's see what we have on deck okay we are looking at the 19th of november it's going down in helsinki finland we've talked about that i do hope that is a solid turnout for helsinki i don't really know what the audience is like in helsinki but it's definitely resonant with the box saga stuff that we do like around here and then november 20th hollywood california the cat and fiddle classic british pub a discussion on magic and the dignity of man well that's the place to do it a lot of dignity left in hollywood we will say that and then november 29th a rune soup thc crossover event i haven't even talked to gordon about this i don't think he knows but austin texas bringing it back around and then in december we have a couple already we have one at heart bar in brooklyn new york on december 3rd and then december 6th vancouver washington the double barrel tap house all right not so bad okay so if you want to meet like-minded locals you know where to go no catch anyone can make a free event take advantage and have some fun that's about all she wrote guys check out hermes runs the game and all the books they published at logosophia books.com you know i love the more esoteric angles of things and if our reality is really structured this way then you would expect to see this ethereal interplay with the gods in pretty much everything but we'll save a deeper discussion on that for another day i've done my part your move hermes myth inverters christian converters and sacrifice facilitators your fucking move it's so sad to see running what they got still can't be happy even up on top it only makes sense that every star too much pressure makes anything break where it used to bend something rotten in denmark has only made us more in a certain sense of the phrase look forward to tomorrow if we can just get through today there's something rotten in denmark and in san francisco bay plenty of problems in paris i don't think austin's okay well they cast the law