The Telepathy Tapes Return, w/ Ky Dickens

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My guest today is an award-winning documentary filmmaker, writer, and director whose work often explores social and human rights issues through personal stories and investigative storytelling. Rising to prominence for myself and many of you listening and watching the show through the viral sensation, the telepathy tapes, that last year was one of the most downloaded podcasts in the world, knocking the king, Joe Rogan, off his top spot for a couple of weeks. And that is no mean feat, I can assure you. Welcome back to the podcast, Kai Dickens. Kai, welcome back. Thanks, Annie. Good to be here. It's good you can still mingle with us commoners after having the number one podcast in the world for a while. Incredible. And people probably don't understand how difficult it is to get into a podcast chart, stay in a podcast chart, let alone get to the point of knocking Joe Rogan off his top spot. And I'm still a ways off of that, Kai, but that's been almost a year since we spoke. I just mentioned to you before I hit record, it was the 3rd of January. How has this year been for you coming off the back of the success of the first season of the telepathy tapes? Yeah, I mean, it's been a complete whirlwind, and I don't think I've completely digested it yet because it felt like what I thought I was like building a wagon in my garage and it became like a rocket ship, you know? And then it was like, oh, my gosh, like we have to build this rocket ship as it's blasting off. And so, you know, we've been like hanging out for dear life, like hiring more people. You know, I never thought I'd make another podcast or we'd keep going with the talk tracks to unpack each season. But now, you know, we are, we did have the talk tracks, which unpacks the telepathy tapes with a lot of really, I think, you know, interesting stories and some more in-depth investigation. And now we're doing a season two, which is going to be released, you know, I think when you air this today, October 15th. And, you know, so, and then obviously finishing up the documentary. So it's been a really exciting year. So much progress, so much momentum for these issues that have, you know, as you know, you've been on the front lines often, like been in the shadows. So it's just an exciting time to be on this planet and be a part of it all. Have you had time to breathe? Because speaking to myself back in January, there was still so much happening. There was still content coming out. You mentioned the talk tapes. You talked at that time about the documentary, I think was going to be getting made. It's now underway. The second season's about to come out. Has it just been a continuation nonstop? Yeah, it has been. And, you know, I obviously like take time. Like I try to make sure I read my kids to bed every night and walk them to school in the morning. And, you know, but it is pretty much like working really long days right now and working weekends and a lot of travel. But I know for a fact, I mean, it's such a blessing and a gift when people care about something you've made. And it's not like I want – I don't want to not really make the most I can out of this moment, you know. So I want to make sure to like, okay, if people are listening, I want to make a season two that is worthy of their ears and their minds and their hearts. And if people are writing in with questions or answers, to keep unpacking it via the talk tracks. And, you know, with all like the, you know, questions that people have had around like spelling or telepathy, making the movie is important so people can see for their own eyes. Like really done rigorous tests that are double blind and in different rooms to validate all that stuff. So there felt like no ball that could be dropped without me regretting it for the rest of my life. So this is a moment in time. And I – every day when I fall asleep, I try to list in my head what I'm grateful for because that keeps it all in perspective. There's so much to be grateful for. So breathing is, you know, taking the time to really kick back and relax will happen. It will happen. But right now this is just the season and this is – and I'm happy for the season, you know. Well, if someone's picking this up now in October or even in the future, you know, these things once they're out there, they're there forever, aren't they? What is the telepathy tapes? If someone never caught it first time round, if someone looked at it and thought, oh, that's not for me, you know, most folks listening to this are listening for the UFO content. But quite often they'll branch out into remote viewing, ESP, a briss host of Dr. Ea Whiteley on the podcast recently as well, who's a space and aviation psychologist. There's a lot of crossover, I think, in that conversation within there as well. So what is the telepathy tapes all about? Yeah, and I guess even like starting with that, like I think for a lot of listeners who are interested in the UAP and UFO world, you know, for many people it's like that's a secret that's been hidden in plain sight that many people have been talking about for years, be it scientists, be it experiencers. And only recently have those people been kind of given the credit for the truth in which they've lived or experienced, you know, even though it's a mystery, even though we don't understand what it is or how it works, or is it consciousness playing with us in some way? Well, you don't know. But in a similar way, for decades, you know, parents, teachers, paraprofessionals, therapists, principals, siblings, rabbis, ministers, all over the world have been experiencing and scientists and noting this phenomenon of non-speaking individuals seemingly being able to not just read minds, but have other gifts, you know, and many will talk about seeing, you know, beings that other people can't see, often the deceased, I mean, just all sorts of things. And so when I first started walking into this world, I didn't know what this was going to be. I had no idea if it was real. I didn't know anything. You know, who I first started talking to was a scientist, Dr. Diane Hennessy Powell, who'd heard about this through families and also found out that it was kind of spread throughout the world. And she did some experiments and the experiments were very, very, very, very compelling. And she had been trying to come, you know, she wrote a book on it. She had her license ripped away when she wrote the book. She got her license back, of course, you know, but like, but it wasn't an easy road for her. And so I didn't know if this was going to be a story about like us misinterpreting what's really happening for a scientist or if it was, you know, these families who were, you know, you know, just hopeful that their kids had some purpose. I didn't know what it was going to be. But then as I started meeting many, many families and teachers, and again, like I said, like the therapists and paraprofessionals and all sorts of people, it became very clear that this was kind of a secret hidden in plain sight for decades. And that, and it's, you know, there's been so much confusion around it because the people that are experiencing it, it's not even really about autism as much as it is non-speaking apraxia, which is this mind-body disconnect. Individuals who don't know they have a body sometimes, don't feel their body, don't know where their arm is, don't know where the hand is, and have a very hard time with fine motor skills and pointing to the letters to spells a gross motor skill. And when spelling really popularized, so many parents had their experiences confirmed because their children, one, knew things that they'd never been taught or knew things that were only in their minds, or they were able to test this and were able to get down to the nitty-gritty truth of what has been happening. So the telepathy tapes looks at these accounts of many parents around the country and world, and it goes, it peels back lots of layers beyond telepathy to the fact that many of these non-speaking individuals say that they can communicate in a quote-unquote telepathic chat room called The Hill, and that they are able to often have a deep, deep keen ability for precognition, knowing what's going to happen, for communicating with people who have departed. And there's a lot of mysteries to explore. And at the end of the day, I think the number one message, now that folks were starting to listen to non-speakers, was one of love and unity, that we're all connected. And we need to really start uttering that truth. So I hope that's a good nutshell summary. It is. It is. And can you just clear up one more thing? Because what I don't want to do is go into too much background on the first season. We've done that interview, and I would encourage folks to go and listen to the first season if you haven't, or at least go back and listen to myself and Kai speaking about it. That, I'm sure, will prompt you to go and listen to season one. But spellers, can you just quickly clarify to folks, what are spellers when you mention that? Because no doubt it's going to come up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so the people that we focused on in the Telepathy Tape season one were non-speakers with apraxia. Doing sign language or writing with a pen or language, speaking with your mouth, are all fine motor skills. It takes a ton of muscle coordination to do that and fine motor ability. If you have apraxia, that's not something you can easily do. And so someone along the way learned that you could point to letters, and that's a gross motor skill. You know, that started with facilitated communication, which was really for people's cerebral palsy that required like a push so people could understand where their body was. Facilitated communication really got a bad rap because there were some scandals around consent and sexual abuse, and the whole thing kind of got damned due to some bad practitioners. Since then, it has been evolved into other forms like spelling to communicate or the rapid prompting method or spelling communication for all these methods that require no touch. And often, once people learn to spell on these big letter boards, they go to smaller and smaller ones and often start typing on their own independently into a QWERTY keyboard, you know, like a regular keyboard or an iPad. So that's kind of history of spelling, and it has been, you know, deeply stigmatized, but I think that's changing. There's been a lot of, thankfully, a lot of great new interest in spelling to validate that, you know, authorship is coming from the individual kids, and I'm just so happy for all that research to come out. It's really going to validate these families and the communication method that their children are using. You are more than just a heart patient. At Trinity Health of New England, we get to know you, which can help us diagnose a problem and start treatment faster. Our cardiovascular team offers the latest imaging and device technology, testing, and surgical procedures you'd expect from a national health system with the personal touch you want from local experts. We know the importance of seeing the person behind the patient because we see all of you. Learn more at trinityhealthofne.org slash heart. Central Connecticut State University. Master your future. Enroll in graduate studies at Central. Vote in Best Graduate Schools by U.S. News and World Report. Apply today. Visit ccsu.edu slash apply. After we spoke last time, I had a few listeners get in touch who have children who are either non-verbal or various different conditions or life-limiting conditions. And some of them had passed on. And it's such a difficult subject, I'm sure, to approach because one, you're dealing with children and families that have very difficult circumstances in many cases. I've mentioned a few times on the podcast when it's been relevant, a family friend of ours lost her daughter quite young who was non-verbal. And forgive me, I don't know the full condition, but she wasn't able to have any quality of life that she could have done anything for herself at any time. So was under kind of 24-7 care and she passed away as a young teenager. And it must be difficult for parents with non-verbal children because they have a want and a craving to have something as simple as a conversation with their child like me and you're having now or we can have with our kids on a daily basis that we probably take for granted because it's just a given. But they then have this thing they can cling on to that a lot of professionals in various fields will argue that's not real, that's pseudoscience, it's nonsense. And how do you navigate that, that you're not leaning to one side too much or the other and you're trying to do this in a non-biased way but of course through what you see in season one. For me personally, there is so much to this that points to this being a truly genuine, I don't even know if phenomenon is the real word to use because it just seems like something perhaps is more natural than we realize. Yeah. Well, I think too, right, like I think a lot of the, the, you know, skeptics around spelling have never ever worked with a speller or, you know, met teachers or practitioners who are using the method and I think it just takes going and sitting with an individual to realize, oh, yes, they're pointing very quickly to letters, they are, you know, writing thoughts that the parents don't want to, don't know about or, you know, something that the parent disagrees with. So I think that if you just immerse yourself in the world of spelling to communicate as a, as a practice, it quickly, you know, any skepticism around it falls away and I think too, you know, one thing that people have to remember is that this isn't new. There was controversy around sign language. It took over 100 years to at least be brought into the American schools. It was, you know, people who were deaf were told they had to read lips and try to practice communication, you know, through voice well into the 1970s and sign language was first kind of introduced over 100 years before that. It was, and people thought that people who were deaf weren't smart and the same happened with the blind. You know, when Louis Braille first invented Braille, people thought it sounded bonkers. Oh, you can read with your finger? That sounds impossible. You can write by typing dots and someone can read it with their finger. And so at the school for the blind where Braille was going, they took down his Braille, they hid the books and they wouldn't let them do the Braille because they thought it was fake. And the kids had to go into a room and try to prove this for scientists and journalists and all these people. And when they were doing the, you know, one would spell and one would write, they'd say, they faked it, they practiced this before, they knew what it was going to be and it's just the same stuff they're going through now, right? Now, so this is not and this is not new for a group of people who are missing a sense, be it sight, be it speech, be it hearing, to be told you're not smart, you're not in there, you can't possibly communicate, they find a way to communicate, we don't accept it, we don't believe it, and then eventually it becomes self-evident. This is not new. And, you know, it's fun to, like in the film in particular, like we watch a spell or learning to spell and you see that the second he's looking for the letter, he says it out loud, A, and then he hits it, B, you know, or families when I've been around them where their parents just want a quick answer, like, okay, beach or biking, which one? And we gotta go, we gotta go, we have five minutes to get out of the house before the, you know, and then all of a sudden their daughter's like, well, it is a beautiful day today. So I'm thinking that first, and now beach or biking, which one is it? And then as we talk about in season two, which comes out October 15th of this year is like one of the, we have an episode on plant communication and this young girl is eight, was a non-speaker and one of the first things she started communicating was medicinal cures of plants and she says she can hear them via telepathy, that the plants can communicate or I don't know what's exactly happening, but she was properly identifying people's ailments and then offering herbal cures through like random Chinese herbs like astragalus or something that no one in the family knew about. And so it doesn't, you know, it doesn't take much like effort to like immerse yourself with a speller, you know, or someone practicing this and then seeing, yeah, this is completely authentic and, you know, we've looked obviously when making the podcast, like I remember well before it came out like halfway through meeting these families starting to like do a deep dive into the spelling realizing like if this isn't real, if the spelling isn't real, I can't put this out here because then the whole thing falls apart, right? And one of the most interesting things was, you know, this argument, oh, it's ideomotor, you know, people are cueing each letter but to cue each letter you'd have to scan to A, do I get a cue? Scan to B, do I get a cue? Scan to C, do I get a cue? Scan to D, do I get a cue? That takes a really long time. It would take an immense amount of time to spell one letter and, you know, when you're with a speller who's been spelling for a while, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, you know, the word comes out so fast and those in the room can't even keep up. You know, it's often like the teacher who's working with them or the coach or the parent is quickly, fervently writing on paper all the letters and I've been in so many situations like this and then when you look down it's just letter, letter, letter, letter, no spaces, it's just what? And then you have to do the work yourself of like, okay, where do the spaces go? What did they just write out? And so, not knowing where they're going at the time and what they're saying and then you put the spaces and you're like, oh my God, the sentence is absolutely astounding and that's a common experience. So, you know, it's easy, I think, for people to be scared of something or to harp on something that they don't understand and I think in this case it's this deep-seated, I don't know if it's ignorance, it's just, oh, this, like maybe it is that these individuals who seem to not be in there, seem to not be able to control their bodies, seem to not be able to speak could possibly be communicating. I think that's the deeper issue, you know? Yeah, and I think people listening to this or watching this are used to it with the UFO topic, remote viewing, paranormal, authentic ghosts, Bigfoot, all that kind of stuff. There's always an element of ridicule, ignorance, lack of understanding, lack of knowledge, stigmatism attached to all of these different subjects and for folks who are maybe unsure of queuing, I think for me when that was one of the criticisms for some of the folks back in the first season would be that a parent sitting beside their child and you're getting at the idea that if I'm the parent as they're going about the board, I'm either using low-level hums or I'm prodding them or there's some kind of, but I'm giving them as you say a cue that that's the letter I want you to hit and almost like they are putting it on the child to pick that or force that and I wonder how have you then, and I'm coming into this folks not knowing anything about season two, I've not had any previews yet, shame on Kai for that, I'm sure it's under lock and key, but how have you approached it then in a second season because I'm sure you must have thought, okay, there are certain things that you don't owe people, the public anything and one thing I'll clear up, I saw your interview with Ross Coulthard on News Nation and you said that season one you weren't going out there to set up scientific experiments, that wasn't your plan, that was very much in the moment, in the room, it was for you to view and report back on, has that changed going into season two? Well, it's, yeah, for sure, but more than anything it's changed for the film experiments, right, so like, season one was my effort to bring this quote-unquote secret that's been hiding in plain sight to the world, right, and to bring so many voices who've been experiencing this and before spelling even started, mind you, right, so much of it was like I'm wanting nuts and the child appears as nuts or gosh, I just read the most horrible news on my phone in a different room and my child burst into tears and, you know, so many of these things were happening with parents all the time. They'd hide Halloween candy and the second they thought of where it was a kid would, you know, boom, you know, run toward it, so these were kind of universal or I need to put this videotape away, I need to hide it and because I don't want my kid watching and all of a sudden the kid takes the videotape and hides it in their room, like there's so many stories I've heard from parents, so spelling made these things clear what was going on but it's like not, tell out that he was there way before him and so season one was my effort to bring that stuff into the world, season for the film when it was like, okay, we really need to now do what we'd always been planning to do which was hopefully film scientists doing this work, doing these experiments, then it's not on me, I'm just filming the scientists, you know, I'm not the ones, I shouldn't be the one doing the experiments because I'm not a scientist so what's been great is since the first season came out, University of Arizona, University of Virginia, Stanford, a Northwestern scientist, so many other scientists have now looked into this, they've done their own studies, the stuff is going to get published, it's all extraordinarily validating, a team of scientists at University of Virginia even looked through all of my original tests to look at like eyeline and contact and cueing and noise and all that stuff and they were, they've now presented their findings at a few conferences around the world which is again very validating, these kids were doing it, however, what's cool is in the film, you know, one of the things that came up is like okay, can the spellers do this without someone sitting next to them? Well, that's like you can't take away someone's, you know, communication support, that's how they communicate so there was a scientist, Dr. Julian Mossbridge, like there were so many scientists writing in saying I want to do this, I want to do this and she was like one of the few that's like why would we take away their spelling support when we can just put the person sending the cue in a way different room so that no one in the other room knows what the cue is. If no one knows then it doesn't matter if there's a partner there and so she worked with someone who had been doing, who had been on our season one, saw the telepathy tests, watched how quickly the kids get the answers and he was a neuroscientist that does QEG neurofeedback. He had created this triple blind computer thing where like someone, a scientist or the control leader, I mean the study leader could hit a button and they don't know what's being sent but on another computer it could be in a different state, a different room, a video or picture pops up and that person has to look at this video or picture and start sending it to the receiver and the receiver is in a different room or a different state so it's kind of, I guess you could call that triple blind if you will, right? Like the person doesn't know that's sending it, only the sender has the video, the receiver doesn't know, the receiving, the non-speaker's partner, communication partner doesn't know and so she started doing some of these tests across states and we have one of the videos in the film where the person sending is an organ, the young man who's non-speaking, who's receiving it is in Chicago with his spelling coach and he describes the video perfectly, he describes the word on the screen. I mean there's, what is the chance of getting, I mean it's like the trillions to one, I can't even imagine the odds of getting that right so they were able to validate this across states and then they did it across rooms and the non-speakers rose to the occasion and so that was really exciting and I know Dr. Powell's been doing a ton of really cool research and that's been bearing out and we filmed a conversation that was really interesting with Dr. Powell and Dr. Mossbridge kind of talking about their research which is going to be in the film and one of the things I think they were both realizing is there's two types of telepathy. The question is no longer what, does telepathy exist? Are these kids capable of it? That's I think been settled with the science in the past year. I think the question now is what types of telepathy are there and how many and there seems to be this very, very easy telepathy where when you're nearby someone where it's almost like it feels like the non-speaking individual can like dip into the consciousness of someone near them and be able to, I don't know how they're doing it if they're just reading their thoughts looking through their eyes I don't know what it is but they can do that quite easily but then there also seems to be this much more distant telepathy that can go from very far, you know, like distance is no barrier really to this form of telepathy and that type of telepathy is almost more impromptu and an urgent offense emotionally based, right, something emergency happened, something is desperately needed to be conveyed and that's really hard to capture in a lab and we were lucky enough to capture that on film in a lab happening when filming the test and then of course like just for fun when we were with non-speakers shooting the hill or doing, you know, in other setups while filming even if I didn't have a scientist there sometimes non-speakers would be like I want to show you I can do it too okay so then at that point we were like okay, we're going to put the blindfold on we're going to put the partition up we're going to you know, do all the things make sure there's no possible way there could be queuing put earplugs in and you know, the results were the same excellent, excellent almost 97 to 99 to 100% correct and then we did a few fun experiments which we need to put on our test library we just have to get an editor to like take all of our hardcore big file footage and do it again while we were at the hill shoot where we're like let's just try to take spelling out of the equation and we put one young man behind a partition his mom on the side of the partition and we'd show the mom like a flash card and then we'd put like 20 flash cards and you know 12 whatever just different amounts of flash cards in front of him and then like instantly the second the right one was down he would he would hit it so yeah I think what's great about this and what's awesome for the scientists and the experimenters is it's not hard it's not like going out and looking for you know a purple unicorn it's like you walk into a room if you've earned the trust and the of the non-speaking individual and you know they're with a good communication partner be it a teacher a parent a sibling whoever and if they say they have this gift of telepathy that it's easy for them to show it anytime on repeat as many times as you want and we did a science roundtable as part of the film where we had people from Yale UC San Diego Northwestern different neuroscientists all sorts of people there and non-speakers at the table and we showed them telepathy at the table and it was interesting because I think there was this question of like will they do it under pressure with all these scientists and all these cameras and we had four cameras and a crew and you know a team of scientists and etc etc etc bing bing bing bing you know and the scientist was like often like drawing the picture under the table like there's no way anyone could see it I couldn't even see it I'm filming it until the end it was like what was it and the speller on the other side of the table as fast as could go you know spelled out what it was not being touched there was no letter door being held it was on an iPad and I think that those moments have made these scientists their eyes pop out of their heads and it's like okay this is very real so it's been an exciting year I think more than anything just vindicating for the families do you suffer from back or neck pain Trinity Health of New England has the latest methods and technology to help our team looks at many treatment options to create a plan that's right for you from physical therapy and pain management to advanced spine surgery say goodbye to living with pain reach out to Trinity Health of New England today and get back to enjoying your daily activities trinityhealthofne.org slash spine Trinity Health we see all of you Central Connecticut State University master your future enroll in graduate studies at Central voted best graduate schools by US News and World Report apply today visit ccsu.edu slash apply sorry was that a really long answer it was I'm glad it all recorded yeah I was going to mention about six minutes ago but it was a good answer don't get that confused about six minutes ago there was a little bit of thumping in the background Kai's got some work going on it wasn't like a low-key game of Jumanji kicking off so there was like a kind of dum-dum-dum yeah in case that triggered anyone but really interesting when you mentioned showing these scientists folks in the mainstream let's just say academics and the light bulbs are going off they're seeing this for themselves do you feel there's still a barrier to be broken down though for that to go to be truly accepted in the mainstream because it seems it seems like at the end of season two I imagine a lot of folks like there were at the end of season one were like wow this is real this is true this is genuine this is a real thing it still isn't accepted widely in the mainstream that yep telepathy is real how do you get to that point is it the fact that you can't convince everyone because some folks just don't want to see or don't want to know that this is happening I mean it's just I think it's different I probably have a very different perspective of this right because I realize that I'm on seeing it with my eyes like all you know all that's kind of happening around us so like like we are getting scores of emails in every day and usually it's people saying my world has completely shifted I do believe in this stuff now and I didn't before so so I do think there's growing huge amounts of people growing in their belief of these things which is great you know but again that wasn't our mission our mission was just like vindicate what these parents have been saying for years to try to get their and also try to get their kids on you know educated but I also think that as far as what the scientists are doing out there I don't I think the science will be out there and you know I don't know how long it takes to get this stuff published maybe another year 10 months 3 years max so between the belief of hearing all these families seeing how real and verified and widespread this is right these aren't like hundreds of people making something up in a grand scheme to fake out the world nor is it a grand scheme to like fake people out that their kids are actually communicating when parents have tried so many things that don't work they're always walking away from what doesn't work and don't want to hope so so I think that belief and it's real if you've listened is one thing but then I think for those people still on the fence the science is going to back it up and the experiments will back it up and then sure not everyone will believe not everyone believes the earth is round you know you know half Americans didn't believe Trump won an election and half do like there's always going to be things that people do or don't believe in based on your own worldview based on the facts that you're consuming based on what you want to be true or not want to be true and that's okay you know I mean what keeps me able to sleep and go forward is that I think and probably for you too I mean I don't know but at least for me it's like I couldn't do this if it wasn't true I couldn't sleep at night I couldn't look at my children I couldn't hire a staff and have them come around with me I couldn't hire film crews and have them watch if it was all fake and lies that's not how I can operate and I think most people who are on the front grounds of like UAP work or UFO work or you know really interesting work that might be breaking down barriers most people aren't being motivated to do something that risky and scary and controversial if it's false what would be the motivation you know no no that's very fair and when I was watching the listening to the first season and I watched the extra content on the website folks and we'll get to the the second season having a visual element attached to it of course and the documentary that's being made as well which I'll get you to clear up in just a moment the details around what's happening there but my favourite thing from the whole first season has been this element of the hill the hill is this place where these non-verbal children and young teenagers young adults can go to to basically communicate the way I think people describe it in different ways but a bit of a a psychic chat room where they can go to and they're maybe not confined by the bounds that they have physically day to day and that must be I think for me maybe as a parent that really stood out because to think if your child has a limiting condition they're non-verbal they have physical disabilities there's an element of loneliness perhaps that comes along with that or a feeling of loneliness for the parent and the child but this idea that they aren't alone that they can go to this place and literally psychically connect with friends who are across cities countries that must be really really a really nice feeling for the parents is that something that's explored further in season two yeah the hill yeah yeah so okay so just for people so they know like season two I'd say half the episodes have non-speakers and half don't and because we're really trying to explore consciousness and what it means and what these things are that we unpack right and so the first episode of season one does not have a non-speaker in it but it leads into the second episode that does and one of the stories in that episode is about a young girl who had been talking about many friends that her mom couldn't find and they were friends from the hill but it's really hard for these parents to even believe this stuff you know I think the telepathy tapes came out and we were getting a lot of emails from parents being like could this be possible or I tested my kid and it actually turns out to be true and my child was talking about this but it's just so hard to believe and you know so the parents are kind of on the same in the same boat as most of us and one of the things that was wonderful this girl in episode two of season two she had been saying a bunch of names and because of what happened with the telepathy tapes more and more parents were coming out about their experience joining telepathy you know autism Facebook groups whatever and they started finding each other and so parents were starting to be like oh my daughter who's talking about a boy named Micah from this town in Wisconsin all of a sudden this woman with a son named Micah or whatever you know from this town Wisconsin was on the Facebook group and the mom was like can you ask your child if they have any friends from the hill and then that person said yes this person's name and suddenly boom it was like could this possibly you know and then and then it was and they would FaceTime and the kids knew each other and would be spelling different things that was like in conversation in concert with the other that when the second the parents would present what the child just spelled out it would be in like complete communication with the other and so it was remarkable because so many non-speakers started finding each other in real life due to their parents trying to validate this and it's I think it's it was jaw-dropping for some of these parents to realize that the hill was real because that is sometimes if you I think a lot of most parents are like yes the top of this happening with me it's happening into my house I know that's happening but like the idea of them jamming out telepathically in a chat room called the hill is a different different thing to wrap your head around I like that jamming out good phrase and I mentioned before so this time we have a documentary being made in the background and I suppose is it a natural progression from the first season which is audio based with the bonus content online with the videos and whatnot as well that it would move to a documentary format because I'm I'm a huge audio fan people listening to this or watching this on YouTube I always say audio is my favorite form listening to anything podcasts are my go-to on a daily basis more than visual but there's an element of this that really does work with that visual element and how is that going to be different in season two and obviously with the documentary as well yeah okay so the documentary I mean that's our visual that's everything right now right so like we did we did start a supercast channel so we're trying to move all like videos over there so supercast is you know it's kind of like a patreon right you can have like ad free episodes and there's all these questions that are being answered most of the parents are on our supercast page for free there's like an ask me anything board where I feel like my staff is constantly chasing me down like answer this question answer it which is great and so there's a lot of information and a lot of videos and behind the scenes videos and also like kind of fun just telepathy tape videos that we did on set so that's kind of what we're populating now and we're going to get up in the next week some of the videos from that aren't going to be in the film because it wasn't like the science ones it was just like our team being like okay let's blindfold and put on a put a divider down and you know or parents often would say that is so rude what people are saying online you know my kid could do behind a divider with earplugs in and with a blindfold on like can we show and oh yeah let's do it you know so I think for a lot of the parents and the non-speakers they were a little miffed like oh okay like we can do that no problem so we are going to start putting up those videos on our supercast page within the next week or two there should be like a whole influx of new videos but the most important test will be in the film I mean those are the ones from different rooms from different states and there's a big wild turn in the film where I think I mean I don't know if it's ever happened to my knowledge it's never happened that like spontaneous urgent necessary telepathy has been captured to such an degree of accuracy accidentally in a kind of a quote-unquote lab setting and we were lucky enough to I say lucky enough but maybe the non-speakers orchestrated it that way to capture it on film so yeah I mean the film is going to be the big visual moment and as far as like our episodes go I mean each of our episodes for season two the reason it takes a year to pull together is it feels like making a documentary in many ways right like we're we're trying to get access to people that have like deep information knowledge like build their trust like get their interviews interweave it with like experts and other people who can corroborate and so each of those takes a lot of time and the reason we're doing it as a podcast not a film is because it's way more affordable to do it that way right like I've made a lot of documentaries and it takes a ton of money to go travel and to get the cameras there and get the lighting right and get the audio right and get the footage downloaded and edited so so our seasons really are audio centric um and that's important because it allows us to do it affordably um which is so wonderful um but our talk tracks episodes moving into season two are going to be mostly visual um and we're going to start having some like more specials if you will and then we have a lot of footage from filming that wasn't you know that we couldn't get into the film I think we've got I mean hundreds of hours of footage and the film is going to be two hours long so we're going to start putting clips of all that stuff on our supercast page as well have you got a time scale for the film when you expect it to be ready or coming out for sure I mean we have a rough cut we're going to show a focus group here in about a week so that's really exciting um then we were probably probably do like two or three more rounds of revisions and then we plan to picture lock it in January and picture lock is when no more changes can be made to the film and you start doing the audio mix and putting in the score and doing the color correction and putting in the graphics all the things that are really expensive that you can't go back and change so picture locking in January and then we hope to premiere it in um sometime between like March and May of next year would be our goal so um TBD if it's you know I don't know if it's going to play at a festival first or um or what you know there's kind of a choose your own adventure we have to see where it's going to end up but the thing I'm grateful for is you know through um through a lot of uh you know donors and funders and stuff we've been able to make this thing completely independent which means that no one could you know um tell us what no one could censor it or tell us what we had to put in and what we couldn't put in and that type of thing so it's the purest message I think from these families possible so that's that's great yeah that's good to hear and I think when you talk about how long it must take folks have to understand it's not like you're you're pulling together your average interview you know when you're you're sitting in a room you're not like okay can I have an hour of your time yeah no problem let's just back and forward ask some questions you've got children with often they're autistic and it's not easy for them to be in a room with a stranger let alone camera equipment being around there then you've got to try and get them to potentially partake in some form of scientific experiment and then to say to a parent oh can I check and see if you're a child a psychic do you mind that must take a lot of time relationship building trust building a lot of frustration I can only imagine how often you start a session and it has to stop just for the benefit and the health of the child or the young adult who's part of it well that yes absolutely and like for the film too I think it ended up being like three times more expensive than most films I've ever made and part of it is because it was like anytime you travel and on speaker there's often supports there's often like special aids to come with there's often like all those people have to travel and then stop in a city because they can only spend an hour on an airplane at a time and then travel again you know so it's like everything just balloon balloon balloon but that is why I think the end product will be special is just like the time and effort to meet people where they were at so we could get the story told and I mean I think you're right like trust is a huge part of it it's a it's it's vulnerable and it's scary and and making sure these families kind of knew that we were prioritizing truth not not gimmicky tricks to get a lot of clicks or you know that this wasn't like some huge yeah we're gonna make a ton of money off you and none of it was like that you know it's just all like this is labor of love and so I think that's you know I think we all feel really safe in each other's company right now but but that takes time but if it will be worth it and the other thing that was really interesting to watch is the scientists because so many scientists were I want to do this I want to do this and I kept saying to so many of them yes please study this but it's up to you to earn the trust I it's not up to me to earn your trust and I you know because I told the scientists I was like we can't fund the research that is so like not ethical in my opinion like if there's gonna be unbiased research out there we can film it and that's what we're hoping to do but we can't fund you to do the research that's like the you know the heart association funding red meat research or something so so scientists had to get their own money and we had to wait until some found funding and the other thing that was interesting is once they found funding I think they realized really quickly they had to not just make inroads and create relationships that were trusting not with just non-speakers but with their parents or with their teachers or with school or with whatever wherever they're gonna do these tests and that it could take months of figuring out what how things work what makes them tick you know to do the trial and then only then can you do the experiment and and then each speller is different like one of the spellers that we show in the film who's doing a telepathy test the way he does it is like it's really interesting is that so the person sitting next to him has no idea what the cue is and then when it starts to come to him and he feels like he has it he first wants to type it out really quick on a letter board and it's like he needs that as like part of the step because that's what he learned but then he can type right into a computer so he'll go keyboard and then so he does like it's like a two-step spelling thing for him yeah and so you know that you have to learn each person's needs let's go through some listener questions I had loads of them sent in Kai so we'll try and get through what we can and there's a whole different range of things to get through and Newman sent me a question for the first time in a while so thank you Newman he actually sent this question for your interview in January and we didn't get to it so he's forwarded it back on at this time round so cheers for that he says I've been wondering whether during her research Kai had the chance to also look into historical examples of known persons and whether they expressed frequent developmental peculiarities such as speech delayment that could hint towards them having had acquired some degree of ESP and he gave the example of someone like Albert Einstein being one such person who had speech delayment that is really fascinating no I have not looked into that in a historical way and that's a really wonderful thing that we should look into so I will promise Newman that we will do a deep dive and do a talk tracks episode on that but with that said you know Rupert Sheldrake who you know many people I'm sure know because he's been a kind of a brave warrior in the space of the unexplained scientifically as a biologist from Cambridge for a long time and the way he got into this world was I think it was in the 50s or 60s when Rupert well I don't know what time Rupert heard about this but let me just back up it was either in the 50s or 60s where Sir Rudolf Peters who was a very well-renowned obviously knighted scientist from Cambridge discovered a boy who was blind and had what was considered severe you know learning and mental disabilities was able to read an eye chart but only if his mom was looking at it and the you know the ophthalmologist was shocked Rupert I mean the you know he brought the mom out of the room and the boy couldn't do it brought the mom back into the room the boy could do it so this ophthalmologist told Sir Rudolf Peters about this Sir Rudolf Peter did his own experiments putting this mom and the son in rooms across you know town and they did these telepathy experiments over the phone and the odds were well beyond chance and it was so remarkable that when Rupert Sheldrake heard about this he thought it was completely rubbish but as any good scientist should do he didn't just discount it he kind of looked into the experiments he looked over what Sir Rudolf Peters had told him he knew Sir Rudolf Peters was a obviously a renowned scientist a very respectable man he was knighted after all and that made Rupert Sheldrake go into the field and there's another man named Bernie Rimland and this was maybe 30 years ago he had a son on the spectrum who was showing shines of telepathy and and he was like the first scientist out there he was also a scientist who said look I think ESP should be considered a savant skill like the other savant skills so this stuff has been dotted throughout history and known but what would be really interesting is to go through do a deep deep deep deep dive and so thank you for that question cancer you hope to never hear it but if you do you'll want a team of experts by your side at Trinity Health of New England we understand the stress that comes with a cancer diagnosis our team of compassionate oncology specialists provide the latest treatments to take care of the whole person we know the importance of seeing the person behind the patient because we see all of you learn more at Trinity health of ne dot org slash cancer central Connecticut State University master your future enroll in graduate studies at Central voted best graduate schools by US News and World Report apply today visit ccsu.edu slash apply can I follow up on that one from Neil Neil says has Kai ever come across or heard about non autistic people who have lost the ability to communicate or maybe experienced hyposte is it hyposthesia and gained sciability basically does she think it's possible that her brain doesn't have full control over bodily senses could be a loose anchor to our consciousness yes and I highly encourage anyone interested in that question to go listen to the talk tracks because we did an episode we did a few interesting episodes and I want to tell you about some highlights from those episodes the talk track season one for the topic tapes are deep dives into some of these concepts and one of the stories in there was about a man whose wife had well actually I have to tell you this part of the story we started getting tons of emails after the telepathy tapes came out of people who said my spouse my father whoever I'm a caregiver I'm a nurse dealing with Alzheimer's and dementia and this is common in this community however it's just like these parents we don't talk about it we don't share it because people think we're crazy and one of the emails we got was from a man whose wife had recently died of early onset Alzheimer's dementia and she came to him one thing when he was exhausted and he was like I wish I knew how I could help you go to bathroom go to the bathroom quicker because it took her 30 minutes and she's like okay just ask me but he's like what I know she can't talk what is this and it was in his mind and then she went through with like showing him images in his mind like telepathically of how to help him help her go to the bathroom quicker he tried it the next day minutes and it worked the next day when he was falling asleep he thought maybe this can happen again asked her okay how do I get you in the car how do I get you into the car in less than 30 minutes because it's taking forever to go anywhere the grocery store to the doctor same thing and so one of our I think it's gonna be episode nine or ten of season two we're doing a huge deep dive into this dementia thing with telepathy another thing you should listen to in the talk tracks is an episode about a woman who was in a coma and down the street in her old house these kids kept saying they saw this little girl in the house and the you know they hired like a kind of like paranormal investigator all this stuff he found a picture in the attic of this little girl they figured out okay who this little girl might be and is this a ghost it's haunting it they found the brother of this girl from you know who's now an old man went to his house and it turned out he's like that's my sister but she's not dead she's up she's in a coma she's like extremely sick she's dying but she's up in the room and and they went up to talk to this woman and she was like I'm going to that house all the time in my dreams I know these kids like that you have to hear the whole story on the talk tracks but in short it seems like some of these abilities telepathy the ability to like astral project can turn on most deeply when you are in when you lose the faculties of your regular brain and what does that mean about consciousness so yes it's something we explore and we explore a lot in season two and we explore a lot in the talk tracks here's a question from Ian a little bit longer so hang on with this one with me Kai Kai has repeatedly mentioned that the non-speakers seem to believe their gifts are only accessible to those with good intentions and a loving heart if true this would make greed anger envy and the worst aspects of the human psyche an unreachable barrier to reaching these abilities I wish I could believe that yet having experienced first hand as a targeted individual the power of the occult arts including spirit possession mind control full body apparition of shadow figures and physical interaction and telekinesis I don't believe this view is accurate I am however certain that the beings of light and compassion always prevail against the darkness when called upon what are your thoughts on this or the thoughts of the young non-speakers yeah I mean I think there's two things right that like we know there's darkness in the world we know there's dark energy in the world we know there's evil in the world and I and I and I do think that there are people who can have these gifts just like we all have these gifts are part of human nature that don't have good intentions I don't think there's a single non-speaker out there who would ever say that they would use their gifts for ill intentions and I think that's really important because it's not like so many of these parents are struggling and that type of thing you know financially it takes a lot right to raise someone it's I think that their distinction for the non-speakers is they're not using their gifts to win the lottery and bet on a horse race and you know manipulate the world into the favor of themselves or their family so I think that's really important and I do think I have seen now because we explored a lot in season two that like coming into something from a position of love and safety and belief helps helps these gifts amplify and turn on but I think that's true of a lot of things if you believe you're going to do a great job and you have a really good attitude when you're going to go play your basketball game or do your piano recital you're probably going to do better so I think a lot of this isn't just about ESP it's just human nature if you have a good attitude you believe in yourself you believe in the power of what you're capable of you enjoy what you're doing you have a good intention and a good mindset around it it's going to amplify whatever you're doing I think that's I think that's kind of like a basic human thing so I don't doubt that there's like negative people who can use gifts for harmful things I just don't think that's as powerful as the other end of it the force of love and I think to be fair and it's probably a different conversation for a different day a huge aspect of why these types of gifts and abilities are likely suppressed as the fact that they would be weaponized by modern day we know there are all kinds of programs from the US government and other governments not just to pick on the US of course and that have explored using things like ESP remote viewing for military tactics for for viewing nuclear assets for for finding targets and that's just what would happen we hear about it all the time with the UFO topic and you hear about it like the psychic spies phenomenon and yeah so that that makes sense that it's it's not just a folks who are pure of heart and all that kind of stuff but I understand your point of view the idea that there's just a positivity enhances it amplifies it makes it perhaps easier to yeah and even with the psychic spy program like many people if you're interested in that you should read Annie Jacobson's book which phenomenon which is all about the psychic spy program in the United States based on CIA's like declassified you know material around it but they were burnt out being told to do these negative you know go look for you know hostages or find this or look for this like if something is like negative and repetitive and boring and there's no like real sense of purpose and good like it burns you out you might do it really well a few times and then you kind of puts her out and that's happened to a lot of those spies in the you know project grill flame and those things that the US was was engaged in so yeah I mean we're human we have both sides to us but I think from what the non-speakers have said and that's all I can go off of because they're the most reputable sources I have around this stuff is that for them the telepathy the gifts turn on much more readily when there's love and acceptance and belief involved we'll try and fly through another couple of these questions because I've got so many of them Mark asked if you had any of your own experiences with telepathic abilities or consciousness I think in in episode three of season two we have a major episode on what consciousness is doing with us while we're alive you know we kind of look at what it's doing with us from beyond the grave and all sorts of stuff and and I and I do believe that the world is conscious and that ideas even have their own consciousness and will and they are looking for people to help make them manifest and episode three really explores what they're looking for in a human collaborator and I have experienced that where something is not my idea is not my whatever but there's that beautiful balance between effort surrender when you truly surrender and kind of let yourself be be manhandled by this gift or whatever it is but by ideas or by inspiration it will show you what it wants to make manifest so I think that like listening and being tuned with an intended of that stuff has always been really real for me if this is complicated if this is confusing again episode three is going to really dive into that and I think there's some stuff that's happened in dreams that I thought was just a dream and now I'm starting to realize oh that was someone I think trying to communicate with me so yeah you know but but right now my whole whole focus is primarily on storytelling and I can't once that chapter is waning which I hope isn't for a long time I hope to then like really dive into more of this stuff experientially on my own but right now it's really trying to bring to light others who are experiencing it I remember I've said a few times on the podcast I lucid dream quite a lot I know when I'm dreaming you know it's just a weird thing but that's what it is and if people want to know more about it and ask me questions they can get in touch um but I remember as a kid dreaming um that I was playing football with my friend who lived just across the road from me literally a little bit of grass next to where I lived um and I remember meeting him in the dream and saying oh like tomorrow like are you awake and he was like yeah and we had a little conversation and I said so I always remember saying to him I'm going to say spaghetti to you okay and that's going to prove that you know you know and I know that we've spoken this dream and I always remember the next day and his name is Jan Luca I remember saying to him like oh spaghetti and he was like huh and I was like the dream last night you know and he was like what and I was like yeah never mind never mind just like totally gone past um yeah maybe not for everyone but it's a weird thing the whole look of dreaming thing and sleep and yeah whatever it is um on that uh Paul asks have any of the kids met with mediums or remote viewers or experiencers well yeah you uh episode two I don't want to just that question will be answered in episode two of season two we would do a deep dive into mediums and um yeah so and I think there's a lot of really evidential like science stuff that comes out in that episode as well um I'll skip to the final question for you kai jh had asked has kai asked the children about what they think of the nature of reality or is that a conversation that comes up yeah it comes up all the time um and we put a bunch of writings on our super cast channel because you know again like it's it's there's a protective element to you don't want us to have this stuff on the internet right but like um there is a lot on our super cast channel about the nature of reality and of course what I think is true about all of us and non-speakers are no different they're individuals is there is a filter in what you're raised right in which how you see the world um and but I yes I think most will say that consciousness is fundamental that you know the metaphysical world is almost more real than um our our our physical world um that our thoughts are incredibly powerful and we create a lot of what is happening with our thoughts um and not only do our thoughts have a reach far beyond our bodies but so do our feelings and all those are influencing the world around us um so I fully believe the world is um conscious and the thoughts are the basis of it and again we're going to really dive deep into this in episode I believe it's episode four of yeah episode four of season two where we look in savants and one of the savants thinks he has he's like invented a whole um like I don't know what to call it like like on like physics or biology like a whole new subject really like math like he has a whole like uh form of looking at the world that like science hasn't really even like understands him yet and AI is the first thing to really understand what he's talking about and he he says the world I mean kind of like in this very holographic I guess way right he says that the world what physics and math are looking at and explaining is if you will like a screen they're looking at the screen but he can see behind it he can see the inner workings and he explains it how it all works it's a really heavy deep episode um and and so he's like we're getting it all wrong like we're looking at the screen and that's what everyone's studying is screen but there's so much more happening behind the screen and um and and and and with his whole like holographic universe kind of theory um you know there's millions of probabilities of what can happen at any time right and like it's like the one thing that's happening at that time of all the sum of all the probabilities is like what we're experiencing right now um on the earth and so he explains it better than I do so yeah that will be around early november episode four of season two well okay let me give you the final word then how can people find and watch and listen to the new season of the telepathy tapes yeah so season two of the telepathy tapes drops october 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