The Thiaoouba Prophecy: ETs, Religion, and China’s Hidden UFO History w/Samuel Chong

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My name is Andy, and today I am joined by a lawyer, court interpreter, translator, and UFO researcher, Samuel Chong. Samuel, welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me here, Andy. It's very good to have you on. Very excited to have a conversation, perhaps a little bit different to the norm. So often people ask me to get perspectives on the UFO topic from outside of the United States, and here we are, we're going to talk all things UFOs with a conversation rooted in a little bit of religion, a little bit of spirituality. We're going to talk aliens, we're going to talk abductions, and what I want to do is start off with you, Samuel, as a person, and can you just tell me a little bit about your background and what's brought you to talking about UFOs? I was born in Beijing, China, back a few decades ago, and I studied in elementary school and middle school in China. Back then, China was fairly open in terms of getting the public to know about qigong or the energy works on identified flying objects, the flying saucers, and also things about spirituality. So I was very interested in learning about the paranormal activities that people saw in the world. For example, who built the Great Pyramid of Egypt, what happens in the Bermuda Triangle, what happens after we die, and is there life after death? So I was very interested in those subject matters, so I did a lot of research, I read a lot of books on that matters. And I came to the U.S. and improved my English, and I started to read more books on those subjects. And I was thinking if the ETs could come and visit us, they must have advanced technologies and knowledge, and we can just learn from them so that we can progress at a much faster pace. Because in China, there were a lot of news stories about contacts of people with extraterrestrials. And there was one news article that I read, that I remember still, that a physicist was being taken by the ETs to their spacecraft. And then the physicist was told that even though Einstein laid up three fundamental principles of physics, there's one small mistake that made people believe that we cannot cross a light barrier. And that actually struck me heavily, because I think we can actually learn a lot from the ETs. So that's the motivation that I had to begin a lot of research. So it sounds like you've got a basis in the UFO topic, and the paranormal, and the mysteries of the world. Similar to myself, I enjoyed reading about the pyramids, the Bermuda Triangle, the Loch Ness Monster when I was a kid, and your interest kind of grew from there. I believe you've been in the United States now, is it 25 years? Yes, it's been actually more than 25 years. More than 25 years now. And you're obviously a lawyer, 30 years. Yes, I'm a lawyer in California. I've been here more than 30 years, actually. So let's talk about China first. And so many folks, when I said you were going to be on, Samuel, wanted to know, what is the conversation around UFOs like in China historically, and how does it differ to the West? Well, in the 80s, in the 1980s, China was fairly open to translating articles. On UFOs into Chinese language. And then there was a very famous magazine in China called UFO magazine, Fedia Tansuo, exploring the UFO phenomena. And it was very popular among the people, the general public. The government itself was not encouraging or discouraging the research activities of the civilians. And they really didn't really promote it, nor discourage it. So people were just doing their own things. But in the early 2000s or so, because of certain religious movements in China, the government started to become more strict in censoring documents or articles or books related to the qigong or or the energy practices, exercises that China, that the Chinese public did in the past. And then they also censored a lot of the books written on the UFO subject matter. So after the 2000s, people began to really do their own research without promoting it publicly. There were quite a few incidents in which the Chinese people reportedly had contacts with the ETs or people who had supernatural abilities. And those were well documented and researched by civilian groups, but not necessarily the Chinese government. And people are also very interested in the recent movements in the US. The witnesses testifying in the Congress in the US. So it's mostly like a civilian interest, not necessarily a government interest. What are some of the most well-known cases that would be discussed in China? Is there a Roswell that would translate over to China, for example? For example, there was an incident in northeastern part of China in which a farmer was in touch with an ET. And then he had encountered with an ET. And he claimed that the ET actually impregnated him and then causing... Or actually, he impregnated the ET and then causing a baby to be born. And then he was actually researched by a few scientists in China and did hypnosis and also things like that. And it turned out that his descriptions were believed to be accurate. There was also another person in China who claimed that he was taken by ETs to a planet called the Guoke planet. And then he wrote books and then was quite popular in China for his stories. And then some of his books were actually published in English. And I think those are some of the well-known cases of contacts with ETs or UFOs in China. How did the public react to those cases? I think in the West, there tends to be a general interest, but a lot of folks would either be dismissive of the notion of aliens or abductions. Is it similar in China? Well, in China, people kind of... The traditional Chinese people believed such stories because in the ancient times, there were fairy tales or maybe stories of Chinese people in touch with gods or goddesses and who had supernatural abilities or powers. So people believed in stories of extraterrestrial contact more easily for those who are more traditional. But people who study modern science tend to believe in the books taught by their teachers or professors. So those people are more skeptical. But I really want to talk about a recent phenomenon in which a book was translated into Chinese, in which it became massively popular. And people believed the stories to be true. And I think it actually caused a quite different mentality to the people who read the books, in which I think the Chinese mentality began to change and towards more like the spiritual and also other aspects of their belief systems. Let's talk about the book then. And I think we'll circle back around because I think a lot of the conversation is going to bleed very much into that. So the book, I would pronounce it, the Tiaoba Prophecy, The Golden Planet by Michel Desmarquet. But pronunciation is quite interesting because there's a different pronunciation which then has connotations for the religious aspect of this, doesn't it? Yes, exactly. The author is actually a French-Australian. And if you pronounce the word in French, it is actually Jehovah. Jehovah is very similar to the word Jehovah, is the name of the planet in which the author was believed to be taken to for nine days and then came back. And actually, he brought a lot of interesting knowledge that would reveal a lot of the secrets that we haven't heard about. Yeah, so you've got the author, Michel Desmarquet. He claims to have been abducted. He's written this book. Why is this book far less well-known in the UK and the US than it seems to have been across in China and other countries? What was it that captured the imagination there? Yes, first of all, it is popular in China because I believe that, especially after the year 2000s, after the censorship became more strict in China, people wanted such information, wanted such knowledge, wanted such stories of ET context, but couldn't find anything. And then this book came into the Chinese market as a fiction, science fiction. But it's still real that people who read the book immediately began to feel that this is not a science fiction. This is a real encounter of the author's story, who actually was born in France and then came to Australia and had an ET close encounter with the highly advanced civilization. And they went to their planet and then came back with knowledge and specific verifiable facts that convinced them to be true. And then this book actually began to be extremely popular in China because there was a debate on what the book says and the interpretation of the book, especially with the connections of the ancient scriptures of Buddhists and also the Bible, the Old Testament, the New Testament. And people began to correlate and then corroborate the information contained in the ancient scriptures with a description of this book, especially the people in China. Some of them know the book of Enoch, know the Old Testament, especially they're keen to understanding the Buddhist text. So they combine everything and then to really analyze the descriptions in the book and find that the book to be extremely interesting and revealing. And I think it's less popular in the UK and the US because there are so many more interesting ufology books or texts that people can read and realize. And especially people have been focusing the attention on the witnesses who testified in the US Congress about crashed UFO retrievals. So this is the attention that the media has led people to focus on. And also there's another reason is that the French Australian author of the book Theoba Prophecy was a farmer in Australia who didn't have a lot of education, who didn't have a lot of connections to the ufologists and also the people who study UFOs. And then he really didn't have the resources to promote his book. So in the US and the UK, the book is not as popular as in China, Japan, South Korea, or other countries in Asia. Am I correct? In China, given the censorship issues there, it's published under a science fiction label, which allows it to escape some of that more extreme or harsh censorship, whereas outside, for example, in Taiwan, it's published under non-fiction. Is that correct? That's correct. In China, they also removed a few sentences that talks about communism and also talks about Russia or the 1989 event. So the Chinese version is a censored version, removing like a few sentences from the original work of the author. Can you tell us a little bit more about the actual abduction itself and what happened to Michel? Well, it happened in 1987 in Keynes, Australia, in which the author woke up in the middle of the night. He didn't know why, but he wrote a note to his wife saying that he would be gone for 10 days and there's absolutely no need to worry about him. And then he walked outside of his house and then he was lifted up to the middle of the air where he met or encountered a very beautiful, gigantic, very tall E.T. wearing a space suit. And then he was told that they're going to have a journey together for a few days and then he'll be back in good health. So they actually stopped in a parallel universe in which he was told that this is a natural phenomenon in which people near such portals or warps get stuck into it. And then unless they know how to get out, they're forever stuck there. So this actually explains why there are so many planes and ships missing near the Bermuda Triangle area and why there are so many people who disappear or vanish in some of the spots in national parks in the U.S. or Canada, as reported or documented by David Pilatus called the Missing 411 series of books. He was a great private investigator in this area. And then after they stopped briefly in the parallel universe, they went inside of a spacecraft, which is a spherical 100 meter in diameter spacecraft. The author, Michelle, was disinfected using yellow light and blue light because according to the ETs, the bacteria on Earth would be causing harm to the people on their planet, Theoba. So they used the yellow light and blue light to disinfect him. And I did some research. It turned out that the yellow light and blue light have antibacterial antiviral effects as proven by peer-reviewed journals, such as those written by Harvard Medical School and also other scientists. They also used other means to disinfect him. He had an out-of-body experience during the disinfection process using a kind of what they would call radiation as well. And then they stopped, before they reached their destination, they stopped on a planet which just had a nuclear holocaust. And then they explained to the author what happened to that planet. And then what they're going to be doing over there. Actually, they provided assistance to the residents on the planet, indirectly and sometimes directly as well, just to cause them to survive, to help them to survive. So this book has a lot of very interesting details about the history of Earth, where we all came from, and also a lot of other interesting descriptions of the planet in which Michelle went to. Now, you're a lawyer, Samuel, and that's someone who is trained to weigh evidence and think critically for a job. What convinced you personally that the experiences described within the book are credible and worth your time? Well, there are several things. One is that the book is very specific on the names and also on the numbers and the years. For example, it mentioned about the secret, used to be secret project of the U.S. government in which the government sent hundreds of millions of needles into space. The book specifically says that if people don't believe it, they can just ask their leaders about that experiment or that project. And I did some research that turned out to be Project Westford in the 1960s, in which the U.S. government really did send out hundreds of millions of copper needles into space in order to help to improve the telecommunication signals at that time. And then the ETs believed that the needles would be harmful to the people on Earth. So they collected the needles. So I did some research. So they did try, the U.S. government tried to send hundreds of millions of needles into space. But for a few times, they failed the project. So it's documented and you can research it on Wikipedia and other credible sources. So this is just one example of how detailed the information contained in the book is. And also, what struck me personally was about the stories in the Bible. I came to the U.S. in 1993, and I went to some of the Christian churches in my community. I really didn't believe anything written in the Bible because to me, what Christ performed, the miracles, were just too incredible to be true. I didn't believe any of the magics or magicians as described in the Bible, including the Old Testaments during Exodus. Those kind of stories were just too fantastical to be true. But this book actually did mention what really happened during Exodus and during Christ's time. And actually, it made a lot of sense to me because when I was reading the New Testaments, I was thinking, like, why there's no record of Jesus performing miracles before he began preaching? Like, it just, he became like a suddenly a totally different person after he was baptized by John the Baptist. And then he began to preach and began to perform miracles. It's just too incredible, like a person didn't show his abilities to perform miracles when he was young. And there was also stories about Jesus going to India, incredible stories on that. So this book really tells what really happened was that Jesus, the one who was born out of Virgin Mary, was indeed born of a Virgin. He was born from the embryo implanted by the ETs to the uterus of Virgin Mary. The young Jesus, because he was born that way, he didn't remember the knowledge to perform miracles. So the young Jesus, the one who was born out of Virgin Mary, even though he was highly spiritual and highly intelligent, having a very profound conversation with the teachers of the temple, he could not perform the miracles. It is that Jesus who went to India and traveled through China and died in Japan. What convinced me was that the book had a very detailed description of the tomb of Jesus in Shingo Village, Japan. And people can still search on the internet, the tomb of Jesus in Japan and find detailed descriptions on credible journals or websites describing the tomb of Jesus in Japan, in Shingo Village, Japan. And this book explains in details what happened. And also there's a tomb next to the tomb of Jesus in Japan, which is a tomb of the brother of Jesus, and also has a lot of his hair buried in that tomb. And also there are a lot of research done on the people in Japan, in that village, seeing a song that sounded like ancient Hebrew language. So there's a connection over there. But Christ, on the other hand, is a different entity, according to the book. There's actually an E.T. who took on the body made by them that appeared to be the body of Jesus. So they actually look alike. But because the E.T. came into the body made by them, the E.T. remembered all the knowledge to perform miracles. So this became very interesting because in the Bible, when Christ began preaching, when he saw his mother, he didn't call his mother, mother, he called his mother, woman. That to me was a very strange phenomenon because in my culture, in the Chinese culture, calling your mother, woman in front of all the people is extremely disrespectful. And to me, it's very strange that Christ did that. And this made a lot of sense to me because the book explains that Christ was actually a different entity. It's different from Jesus. It's Christ who was able to perform miracles and preaching about spirituality and love. It's Christ who died on the cross, who was resurrected three days after, just to show people that there's life after death and there's reincarnation. But for some reason, even though the early Christians believed in reincarnation, the Catholic Church removed the concept of reincarnation from the ancient scriptures. So this is why most Christians nowadays do not believe in reincarnation, even though a lot of scientists like Dr. Ian Stevenson, Dr. Brian Weiss, Dr. Michael Newton, they did extensive research on the possibilities of reincarnation. And I do believe that we do have reincarnation. And actually, the author of the book, Michel de Marquet, was led by the ETs to see many of his past reincarnations. So this is a very interesting book, combining science, specific verifiable facts, and also knowledge of spirituality, ancient scriptures of the Bible, and also describing some of the projects that U.S. government did in the past. And specifically, also mentioned a different project in which the U.S. government was trying to develop a time machine. It reminds me of the Philadelphia experiment. And people interested can do more research on this. Thank you for the explanation. I am not religious myself. When I look at a broader view of any religious story, especially one like the birth of Jesus, it's something in the U.K. through school, you have to go through that. Every Christmas, you do the nativity story, and you do it in plays, and you read about it, regardless of how religious your school is. I think many folks like myself listening to this, all different camps of people, would believe if the story of Jesus was true, there is this concept, the star of Bethlehem was some kind of orb or UFO. That's what the wise men followed. That's why they could follow it. It wasn't a star really high up in the sky. It was far lower down. And you would go as far with this book. Michelle is saying Jesus was born later. Is that almost some sort of possession that an ET or an entity inhabits the body of Christ? Is that what that's getting at there? That when there's a real change between Jesus passing away in Japan and then an ET? And that sounds quite incredible. But what is the consensus there in the book that happens that there's a second, Jesus is one person, Christ is another? Actually, the book explains in specific detail why they did it. Because the Hebrews were under the rules of the Roman Empire. And what happened was that the Roman Empire had a lot of different theological belief systems that were really not helpful for the spiritual development of the people at that time. So that's why they decided to intervene by sending Jesus and Christ to us to preach about spirituality and love. And actually, this is very important because the creator is different from Jehovah as described in the Bible. The creator is everything. It's a creator of everything, including the stars, the planets, animals, plants, and people on Earth and also on different planets. So the creator also created the ET's extraterrestrials, according to this book. But Jehovah, as described in the Bible, the Old Testament, they were actually ET's who were the watchers or guardians of the people on Earth who were trying to help us to develop our spirituality. That actually explains why they helped Moses to lead the Hebrews out of Egypt, parting the sea of peace, not the Rezi, but the sea of peace, because at that time, the ancient pharaohs were suppressing the spiritual practices or development of the Hebrews. So the duty, the principal duty of human beings on Earth or on different planets, on any planet, is to develop our spirituality. Whenever that became surprised by the rulers, the ET's may intervene as they did to the people in the past, the ancient Hebrews. So this is why the reason why they took on the body made by them as Christ to perform miracles was because at that time, people were very stubborn. Unless someone were to perform miracles, the teachings of that person would not be believed. So the people at that time were highly skeptical. So they had to have someone who would be able to perform miracles in order for his preachings to be believed. So this is why they have to have another entity of Christ to perform all these miracles in order for his teachings to be believed. And fortunately and unfortunately, some of his teachings were kept and some of his teachings were removed from the Bible. So this is something that really struck me personally. Because to me, the stories in the Bible were just too good to be true. But this analysis or explanation really caused me to believe that it's very logical that Christ came to us. And also, you know, I'm Chinese. I also study astronomy in China. And China actually kept a very good astronomical record. And I can pinpoint the exact date of the birth of Jesus or the Virgin Mary and the exact date of the resurrection of Christ. So the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. Because there's an astronomical record of China that tells the star that really stayed in the sky for 60 or 70 days. And that, according to the astronomers and historians of China, and also Christians in China, that is exactly the star of Bethlehem. And also there are some science descriptions in the Bible that match exactly the descriptions of the astronomical records of China that can pinpoint the date and the time of the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. Well, for you, it seems there's a lot of things that perhaps if you take the Bible at face value, there's a lot of unanswered questions or things that don't quite make sense. But then when you pair it with what Michelle has written, a lot of those questions are answered, those gaps are filled in and things begin to make more sense for you. And I wonder, is there anything for you in reading the book and your research? And you've met Michelle, haven't you? Yes, I met him twice. Why was Michelle the person who was chosen? Why was he abducted, particularly him? Well, there were a few reasons given by the book, by the ETs. First, he was a man of action. So he took immediate action. Everything that he does or did, he didn't delay anything. This is his personality. And the second reason was that he really had past reincarnations, like 80 past lives. And according to the ETs, only people like him could stay on their planet for nine days or so, the maximum number of days. People like me or maybe others probably can only stay for three or four days on the planet because of maybe certain vibrations or something else. Only Michelle, because he had 80 past lives already, he could survive for as long as nine days on their planet. And he had to come back, otherwise he would be dead as well. And the third reason, I think, is another reason, is that he was a farmer in Australia and he didn't have any preconceived notions or belief systems. He would accurately and honestly report everything he saw, he witnessed, back to Earth. If they were to pick a physicist or ufologist, then they would be afraid that that person would add in his or her own beliefs or analysis into the book. They wanted the book to be an honest description of what Michelle saw and experienced. So this is very important. It's just like the book of Enoch. When Michelle, after he came back from Theoba, he was given by people or a close colleague of his, a book of Enoch. And after reading the book of Enoch, he found a striking resemblance of the descriptions of where Enoch went to and where he went to. And this book, Theoba prophecy or Jehovah prophecy, is more like a modern version of the book of Enoch or the book of the ancient scriptures. So I think this is some of the reasons why he was chosen. There's a lot of themes explored in the book, not only abduction, but ancient civilizations such as Atlantis, the book touches on, and Mu, as advanced civilizations perhaps lost to history. Do you think the stories point to real ET involvement in humanity's past, or are they perhaps more symbolic? Well, real involvement, because the book actually tells the history of mankind on Earth. We did not evolve from apes or gorillas at all. We all came from different planets originally, about 1.35 million years ago. What happened was that the first settlements were the Yellows and the Blacks. The Yellows landed in southern Myanmar, and the Blacks landed in Australia. And a separate group of the Blacks went to Africa. And then this is why people believe that the first people on Earth were the Blacks in Africa. But actually, no, the Yellows and the Blacks came first. Afterwards, the ancestors of the Polinicians came and landed on the continent that existed before in the Pacific Ocean called Lemuria, or the continent of Mu, and establishing a very successful civilization. And from time to time, the ETs from Theuba or Jehovah intervened, helping us to improve our spirituality, or to grow our spirituality. They destroyed some of the cities in which they were led by evil priests. And they intervened that way. They also appeared as gods or goddesses to the people in India, in which the Lemurians were trying to colonize. They were having a hard time to colonize people in India. So the ETs from Jehovah, being very beautiful, gigantic, or goddess-like, they appeared as angels or goddesses, so that the people in India believed that there were many, many gods or goddesses. It actually connects a lot of the doubts if you read the book. And also, there were other people who came to Earth later, like the Caucasians who came after the ancestors of the Polinicians. They landed in Atlantis and then established a civilization over there. But unfortunately, the continents of Lemuria and Atlantis disappeared almost overnight because of a natural catastrophe. The continents sunk into the ocean almost overnight. The Hebrews came the latest about 12,000 years ago. And they first landed in southern Russia because of an accident. And then because of the weather, they migrated to the Middle East, where Israel is nowadays. And it's very interesting if you read the book, you can read why the Hebrews were the chosen people by the Jehovah's, why they're having so many problems surviving on Earth nowadays, and why so many things happened to them during World War II. And the reasons were explained in the book. And actually, I questioned Michel de Marquet why that's the case. And then he actually gave me a very interesting answer. I would encourage people to read the book to know the answers, why things happened this way. And it's very interesting and it would really blow your mind to the things that happened here. And it is, yes, we all came from different planets, and the ETs frequently intervened. The last intervention of the ETs happened, or as recorded in the book, actually came during World War II. Expans why, even though the Germans were well ahead of the development of the atomic bomb, and the U.S. government turned out to be the first country to deploy the bomb in Japan. I explained the reason. And I did some research. The Germans indeed had a lot of research on the atomic bomb, well ahead of the U.S. government, the U.S. scientists. If you do some research on the German atomic development, you're going to find a very important scientist called Dr. Heisenberg. If you do research, you're going to see that he did a lot of research that were far more advanced than the American scientists at that time. But for some reason, for some strange reason, he made a very stupid, inconceivable mistake. And his report was read by Hitler, resulting in Hitler believing that the Germans didn't have enough resources to make the bomb. So this is why he gave up the plan for a very short period of time. And the U.S. government was able to develop the bomb successfully. That's actually due to E.T.'s intervention. The E.T.'s specifically from Jiova. They caused the Germans delay in developing the atomic bomb. So the U.S. government was able to deploy the bomb in Japan, ending the World War II much earlier than if it didn't happen. It's certainly an interesting idea, having this interference from E.T.'s over the decades, the centuries, the millennia going through. There's a lot of messages in the book around environmental damage, nuclear weapons causing issues. Are those messages any different to what a lot of other abductees would receive than Michel? Or is there anything quite unique to him? Well, for the environmental issues, it's actually very similar. The E.T.s from Jiova, they are very keen to warning us that if we don't act now to protect our environment, then we probably wouldn't have a second chance. So they're encouraging people to be environmental and to focus on the damages that we have caused to Earth in the past and to mend our ways. But more importantly, the book focuses on spiritual development. It says that, as I mentioned before, the principal obligation of any sentient beings or human beings on Earth or on different planets is to develop our spirituality. Because when the creator created every one of us, it inserted a tiny portion of itself to each of our astral bodies. So we are part of the creator and the creator is part of us. It's through our physical bodies, the creator can experience what we experience. So we are spiritual beings having a physical experience, according to the E.T.s. And when we pass, when we die, we give up our physical body and our astral body goes back to our higher self after three days. And this is why Christ resurrected after three days, because this is the natural universal law, is that for a three-day period of time, the astral body remains on Earth. And then after three days, a portion of the astral body goes back to the higher self. And then there would be a life review process in which we would be able to review everything we did in a holographic film. We would be able to experience everything others experienced when we did certain things onto others. So we would have an evaluation process on how we did in our past life. In a sense, it's the evaluation of the creator or God, because we are part of the creator. But in essence, we are evaluating how we did ourselves. So we would feel all the pains of the others felt when we did harmful things to the others. And then we would come off with different lessons to learn in the next lifetime when we decided to reincarnate into the embryo of a family that would be chosen by us. And then our memories would be erased. We would go through what the ancient Nagas would call the river of oblivion, forgetting everything that happened in the past. So as newborns, we don't remember anything. But sometimes the memory is not entirely erased. So this is why some of the young children, as documented by Dr. Ian Stevenson, would remember their past lives. So there is a study on the possibility of reincarnation of children, of different people in Asia, done by Dr. Ian Stevenson, that describes why some people would have certain memories of their past lives, why certain birthmarks could be some of the injuries that they had in their past lives, and why some people would be fearful of water because they were drowned in their past lives. And after hypnosis, past life regression, when they learned about the reason of their fear in this life, what happened to their past life, their fear of water or phobia would disappear after the hypnosis session, past life regression session. So this is a very interesting study that would encourage people to look into. And this is actually explained by the ETs that we do have different reincarnations, and people learn different lessons through the different reincarnations. And what we do in different lifetimes are just like different positions on a wheel. What goes up has to come down. We would need to experience different roles in different lifetimes to learn different spiritual lessons. So there's no need to envy or be jealous of the super wealthy because they have different spiritual lessons to learn, and their lessons may be more challenging than the lessons of us. So we all have to experience different roles. We would become the richest person in the future reincarnations. We will become beggars on streets in different reincarnations. So this is the essence of the spiritual knowledge that the ETs told Michelle de Marquet. Yes, the lessons regarding environmental protection or issues on Earth is very similar, but at the same time, the book also contains other spiritual knowledge that's sometimes talked, sometimes not talked by other ET contactees. I think you've summarised a lot of the book, the messages of the book really well, Samuel, and given people a real good idea of what they can expect if they pick this up. And like I say, for me, it sounds like it's going to link a lot of gaps people may have or fill in a lot of gaps between the spiritual religious stories that we've been told, the idea of ETs and extraterrestrial civilisations being involved with us as a species, and kind of how those gaps fill in, like I say. I want to move on to some other questions, and some of that will come back to the book, no doubt, but you mentioned you've met Michelle, and I just want to work on what is he like as a person in later years? When was it you last spoke to him? You say you've met him twice. Yes. The first time was in 2016, and the second time was in 2018, just a few months before he passed away. And as a real person, he is just a regular French-Australian, having a very thick French accent when he spoke English, and he was very cynical of what happened on Earth at that time. The reason he moved from Canes, Australia, to Vietnam was that he really couldn't, after being shown, after being lived in a very perfect world, a perfect planet, just like paradise, he really couldn't bear with the things that happened on Earth. He had to live in a very remote place that resembled a little bit like the planet Theoba. So that's why he chose Foucault Island in Vietnam, Southern Vietnam. It's a very beautiful island. And then, he was very cynical of the politicians of Earth. And then, I remember that he was very critical of certain things that happened. I tried to ask him what's not written in the book, because in the postscript of the book, it says there are far more incredible things that he knew and he learned, but couldn't write in the book, because the ETs didn't allow him to write in the book, because we were far from understanding then. That actually struck me very much, because I'm a very curious person, and I wanted to know what else he knew, but couldn't write in the book. Because the book contains so many specific verifiable facts and details, revealing all the information, all the paranormal events that I wanted to know, giving logical explanations, connecting all the dots. I haven't mentioned about the Great Pyramid of Egypt yet. And also, connecting all the things that people have been puzzled about. What else he knew, but couldn't write in the book. So that's the whole purpose of me tracking him down, and flying far away from Los Angeles to Foucault Island, Vietnam, spending my own money. I was very poor at that time, not very wealthy. My own money, that's a very big investment to me, to track him down, and to ask him in person what else he knew, but couldn't write in the book. I spent five days the first time I met him, and I actually, I didn't know his address at that time. What happened was that I was, I actually searched on the internet where he was living at that time, and then accidentally, unfortunately, there were some tourists who met him by chance. and I contacted those tourists, and they refused to tell me exactly where he was living at that time, because he didn't allow them to reveal his address. So what happened was that there was one tourist who posted a picture of his bungalow online, and I printed that picture out, and then I brought with me and flew to that island without knowing his exact address, and I showed that picture to a local taxi driver, telling him to take me to where the picture showed the bungalow. At the second try, the taxi driver took me to the right location, and then Michelle was having an afternoon nap, and I waited until he woke up, and I explained my reason of visiting him, wanting to know more about the book, wanting to know more about what happened to him, and he was actually very annoyed at me, because he didn't want to be bothered. He was a very, very kind of unfriendly person in the very beginning. But since I was there, I just wanted to kind of befriend him and to establish a good relationship so that he would be able to reveal what happened to him and more details about his experience. I played chess with him. He was a very good chess player, and I lost. So while I was playing chess with him, I was thinking that his attention would be focused on playing chess, so I asked him some questions about his experience, about the book, believing that because his attention was in playing chess, he would kind of be distracted, but he kept his mouth shut. He didn't say anything outside of the book. I was kind of very disappointed. So I just befriended him and chatted with him about random things, about life in Vietnam, about his marriage, about some of the other things. The day before I was about to depart, he showed me a contract that he signed with a Chinese publisher. He asked me to follow up with the publisher because even though the publisher paid him $2,000 of royalty fee, the copyright fee, he never heard back from the publisher, a Chinese publisher. He wanted me to contact them and to see whether the book was published in China or not. I was so happy at that moment because finally there's a chance, there's a way for me to really do something for him. If I did something for him, hopefully he could reveal some of the things that he couldn't write in the book. So I was extremely happy. I took on the job and because I'm Chinese, I know how to contact different publishers in China. And I contacted that publisher. It turned out that the publisher, after paying him $2,000, decided not to have the book published in China because of the fear of censorship. I tried to convince them to get it published as a fiction. They said no, because if they did that, they would lose their jobs. So that's the final answer. So I reported back to Michelle and he told me find a different publisher, whether that's a publisher in Hong Kong, in China, in Taiwan, or even Singapore. As long as you can publish that in Chinese, I'm fine with that. So he said that to me. So I took on the job to find a different publisher. So that's why through personal relationship, I was able to reach a consultant that used to be the president of the China Writer's Publishing House. And then I had a book published as a science fiction. And then later on, I had it published in Taiwan as a non-fiction. So he was very happy. So he was able to invite me for a second time to tell me the things that he couldn't write in the book in person. You mentioned something about the Great Pyramid that you hadn't had a chance to mention. What was it about the Great Pyramid that was in the book? The Great Pyramid of Egypt was definitely not a tomb of the pharaohs. According to the ETs, they told Michelle that the Pyramid of Egypt was actually an energy center built by a great, wise, learned person from Atlantis called Thoth. I know a lot of Egyptians considered Thoth to be a god. But he was a real person, a very wise person. And he built the Great Pyramid of Egypt about 17,000 years ago. Because he had the knowledge, he was able to use anti-gravitational technologies and supersonic vibratory systems to cut the huge stones in a very precise manner. So that he was able to align the huge stones perfectly so that it can capture the terrestrial and cosmic energies. And the Great Pyramid was actually used by the ancient pharaohs correctly because the ancient pharaohs sat in the middle of the pyramid in the king's chamber and meditated and communicated with people on different planets. They also used the pyramid to make rain. There is actually a scientific paper by University of Reading talking about the energy that they can project into the sky and then to make rain and the clouds would form. So there are different scientific researches of projecting certain energies into the sky that rain would fall. So they did that in ancient Egypt. So that's why they were able to have a lot of plants and agricultural activities at that time. And actually in ancient civilizations such as Lemuria about 250,000 years ago there was another Great Pyramid at the northwestern corner of that continent that's three times that's three times as large as the Great Pyramid of Egypt according to the ETs that they were able to build it using the same technologies and then to make rain. So that's why Lemuria was a very successful civilization. And then they also made statues like the Moas on Easter Island. So when you see the Moas the statues on Easter Island you can imagine the technologies being used to build the Moas and also to build the Great Pyramid of Egypt and also other pyramids as well. So this is a very interesting revelation and I know for a fact that they recently discovered subterranean or underground structures of the Great Pyramid of Egypt and also discovered the underground chambers beneath the Sphinx of Egypt using modern radar technologies. And Sheldon Marquet actually revealed one of the things that he didn't write in the book is regarding the chambers beneath the Sphinx. He says that there are three chambers yet to be discovered by us by scientists that contain knowledge of the past. When the time is right they can be opened and when they are opened everything will be known. But if we use explosives by trying to open it not the right way they will not be opened. It's only when we are ready the three chambers can be opened. Because according to Tom Chackle Dr. Tom Chackle the technologies contained in the three chambers beneath the Sphinx can help us but can also destroy us. So we have to be spiritually ready in order to utilize the knowledge the correct way. I want to get on to some listener questions just before we finish off Samuel but I wonder let me ask you how comfortable are you speaking about UFOs even though you're in the US but having that background being from China being a Chinese citizen from birth do you feel or fear any consequences talking so openly about the subject? I don't have any fear because I know even if I die for one reason or another I would reincarnate here on earth or on different planets so death people have fear of death so this is something that the book talks about the feeling of pain or suffering is very short and then when we die there's a moment of bliss a very blissful feeling as reported by people who have near-death experiences so back to the question Gandhi did a lot of good things in India using nonviolent resistance against the British empire or colonists and Dr. Martin Luther King also did a lot of great things both of these people were assassinated but they had a lasting effect on the people and probably better than I don't know like any other historical figures on earth politicians or historical figures other than Christ or the Buddha so I think the fear is not really something that I would envision to be an obstacle for me to speak publicly about UFOs or the secrets or some of the things that would be really cause a lot of concerns of the establishment I think I would use my effort to promote the knowledge that everyone should be able to understand and know that we're all creators of the creator and we are all sentient beings having a journey a spiritual journey on earth to really learn about the different lessons and it's very important that we make the right choices in the future and actually the book talks about the four real dangers on earth number one is money number two politicians number three journalists and drugs hallucinogenic drugs and number four religions we should be spiritual but not religious and in fact religions distort the spiritual messages of the spiritual masters of the past it's detailed in the book so I have no fear speaking on this subject in China or elsewhere because I would find ways to insinuate the messages of spirituality and also historical facts to as many people as possible let's move on to listener questions but if people want to pick up a copy of the book the best place to do that is on Amazon and of course Samuel it's not yourself that's written the book as Michelle do you want to just let folks know again the name of the book and the author and how they can pick that up the name of the book is Theuba Prophecy Abduction to the Ninth Planet so this book can be found on Amazon it's also in audio form it's in audio book audible it's read by a British person so it's a very good audio quality I'll put those links in the description folks but listen Samuel lots of people with questions for you sent those over thank you to everyone who sent in questions I'll try and get through as many as possible right now with Samuel let's get started Samuel a question from Nick Nick asks what does Samuel make of comments from individuals like Ross Coulthart who suggests China is in the process of surpassing the US's advancements in electrogravitics that is all for part one part two will be out in the next couple of days you can listen to this episode already in full ad free and with no sponsors for less than the price of a coffee if you head on over to Patreon or Apple you can subscribe to the podcast for less than the price of a coffee or take up the two weeks free trial that are available on those platforms you can head on over to Spotify and search that UFO podcast premium and get access to this episode in full no adverts no sponsorships and also with some extra bonus content as well thanks for listening folks