Tom Montalk | Demiurgic Technology, The Matrix Control Grid, & The Rosicrucian Endgame

It's the end of the world as we know it, but I feel fine. From the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood. And as weird as the world can be, we'd be naive to automatically dismiss what's being said out on the fringes of the counterculture. And that includes everything from Earth being an energetic louche farm for arconic entities feeding on an ignorant humanity to the vast controller class being motivated by a known cosmic cycle of destruction, maybe on an infinite loop in whatever this reality really is. Because deception runs deep through nearly every orifice of the body politic and trust in authority or any established entity has eroded so much so that many have taken to obscure places in their own hunt for what's real and true. Rumor has it we're more powerful than we know with the ability to shape our own stories through manifestation, explore reality's vastness through the ethereal self, make complex packs with unseen entities, heal ourselves, make miracles for others, and explore exotic fields of information few even know are there. And when you reverse engineer how one might make their way towards a situation in which everyone lives in ignorance or downright denial of these things, it ends up looking a lot like the world we have today. Well, if you don't know the work of today's guest, Tom Montauk, you are missing out as he covers nearly everything at the crossroads of consciousness, conspiracy, and the occult. After studying physics and electrical engineering for four years, he left college to pursue more independent research as you do. Much of that research can be found on his website of almost limitless information, montauk.net, and his three books, Fringe Knowledge for Beginners, Discerning Alien Disinformation, and Gnosis, Alchemy, Grail, Ark, and the Demiurge. He knows a lot about a lot, and I'm psyched to get into all of it, so let's do it. The deep knowledge seeker, non-human entities teacher, and king of hyperdimensional counterintelligence, Tom Montauk, welcome to THC. Hey, thanks so much for having me. Yeah, man, this is long overdue. I've read and heard so much from you over the years. You've been recommended on our guest request forum plenty of times, and I'm glad you were willing to take the time. What really seems to set you apart is that you're not just a great researcher in the conventional sense, but you also seem to have a lot of personal experiences that factor into this work. Dozens of entity encounters and abductions from your childhood in Germany being antagonized outside of your home, indications that you are monitored and maybe even that people are injected into your life to deceive. Steve, these are the pieces of the puzzle a lot of us don't have. Talk to us about how you fold in all those personal experiences back into your worldview and Demiurgic Matrix Control Grid model of reality. Wow. Yeah, thanks for that great introduction, by the way. And yeah, you set up an excellent question because, you know, a lot of people, they become researchers, but they do it from a more third-party, distant perspective where they read a lot of books and they summarize it and they talk to people. And I mean, and you need those kinds of researchers out there to collate a lot of information. But it really helps to have some personal experience, too, so that you have a kind of base of knowns that you can extrapolate from. So, for example, if I had gone into the UFO field and researched all those topics and abduction reports strictly as an academic, like, you know, John Mack or David Jacobs, those kinds of people, well, you have to be extremely open-minded in order to even believe enough of it to have the motivation to put the books out. However, if you have some abduction experiences yourself, well, now you have the context, you're already going into it as a believer, and now you're just trying to put the puzzle pieces together, trying to figure out what exactly is going on. And, you know, a lot of people who are skeptics, they might spend a decade or more just trying to convince themselves that the phenomenon is real. And that's a lot of lost time. So if you start out already believing that you can get right down to the business of who they are, why are they here, you know, what does it all mean? And so that's why when I was 13 years old, that's when I got a library card and I started reading all the UFO books that I could, metaphysics books, physics, you know, new age, psychology, whatever. Just trying to figure out what was going on with my childhood abduction experiences and my demon and ghost encounters. And my mom, she had her share of experiences too. So I grew up in a household that was very creepy at night, especially. I mean, I slept with my back against the wall with one eye open with a cassette recorder going, playing story time tapes, just trying to make it through the night. You know, it was like that movie Evil Dead or something where you're just trying to make it through to the next morning. And that went on for many years. So that was my introduction to the world. And at the time, I took it for granted that that's just how things were. But of course, as you get older and you start talking to other people and other kids, you realize, well, that's not how things normally are for most people. But that's OK. You know, I think I think my experiences were allowed at higher level so that I could start investigating the field and try to figure out solutions to a lot of these mysteries so that I could share it with other people. And hopefully save them a lot of the same time and trouble that I had to go through to to kind of put the pieces together. Heck, yeah, that is a great point about the wasted time spent wrestling with the possibility that something could be real, whereas right out of the gate, you knew that it was. And you seem very data driven. I really like the Twitter threads you make. And you have a diagram you've made called the Hyperdimensional Non-Human Intelligent Beings Map. And I think we'll be able to pull it up so everyone can take a look at it. But talk to us about how you've ranked and categorized everything from helpful thought forms to archons and archangels. Yeah. So we you know, we're confronted with a problem when you start studying the paranormal, which is that we have all different kinds of beings that could be out there. We have everything from aliens to ghosts to thought forms, demons, archons, angels, alien hybrids, guardian spirits, crypto terrestrials. Right. It's a huge spectrum. And it's very tempting to try to say, oh, it's all demons or it's all angels or it's all just some nebulous ultra terrestrial that trickster that's just disguising itself in different forms. And while that may exist, if there's one thing I've learned from all my research, it is that don't ever put all your eggs in one basket. You know, you have to diversify and usually the truth tends to be all of the above as opposed to just one single thing. Right. So when it comes to these kinds of entities, I really thought about, OK, well, how do you start classifying the different types? And I realized that there are basically three axes that you can arrange them on. OK, so one axis or one axis is physical versus non-physical because, I mean, we're physical, but things like a ghost, ghosts, you know, they're non-physical. So there's that spectrum. So there's that. There's simple to advanced. And there is negative to positive intentions, you know, with neutral being in the middle. So you can imagine, you know, there being three different axes there. And so if you look at my diagram, well, those of you who are listening, I guess you can go to my Twitter feed and try to find it there. But so in my diagram, I have two different planes. OK, so one plane is the physical plane. The other plane is the non-physical plane. And on each plane, the left side is the negative beings, the right side, positive beings. And one plane, as I mentioned, is physical and the other one's non-physical. And then as you go up the plane, it goes up in terms of sophistication or evolution. So we as humans in our physical form, you know, because we have limited intelligence and we're physical and we die at, you know, age 70, 80 or whatever. There's not really not a lot of time in our lives to develop the kind of wisdom and knowledge and skill set that other higher beings might have who live for centuries or who are immortals. So naturally, they would be higher up in the scale. And so this chart that I have, you know, it starts at the bottom, for example, with everyday truth seekers like us. And above us, you might have people like benevolent leaders, you know, the ones who are almost like saints, the ones who are the movers and shakers of history that do really good things. And then above them, you might have positive secret societies, the ones who actually train and employ and select and carefully nudge and guide those benevolent leaders. And you can go up the scale to, let's say, you know, if there are positive aliens and they'd be above them and above them would be what we would call, let's say, angels or archangels or divine light beings. And you can go all the way up to the top to the infinite creator so that that creates a scale on the positive side. Now, if you shift over to the negative side of the physical plane, well, you start with the everyday, the everyday sociopaths or psychopaths. And I'm sure a lot of you might have someone at work or someone in your family or someone you've known who's just a real a-hole, okay? And above them, you would have the professional sociopaths and they're the ones who become the leaders in terms of, let's say, politics or military or criminal organizations or corporations who really have it out for the everyday good people, right? You know, they're the ones who set up the conditions of suffering and totalitarian oppression on a local micro scale within the family or, let's say, at school or within work or within governments or nations, right? It scales up because it's all fractal. And above them, you would have negative secret societies. Above them, you would have, let's say, negative alien groups that are influencing those negative secret societies and so on. And that goes up the physical scale. Now, if you shift to the other plane, to the non-physical scale, well, at the very bottom, positive, you might have what I call helper thought forms, which are just the emissions that we generate through our positive thinking, our positive feeling, that kind of feedback and generate even more positive experiences through this mind-reality feedback loop. Okay, that's just like a lower thing. And above them, you could have, let's say, friends or family members or partners who have departed and now they're on the other side of the veil. Well, you know, now they're deceased, but they're still watching you. They're still helping you and guiding you. And if you do a lot of research into reincarnation studies or afterlife studies, if you look at certain highly skilled mediums like Matt Fraser, for example, you can see how, yeah, we have people on the other side of the veil that are still there. They're still conscious. They just don't have physical bodies, but they're watching us and they're guiding us through life. And above them, you might have what are called tutelary spirits. They're not necessarily human, but they're, or they could have been, but they stay on the other side permanently. And their job is to kind of watch and guide us in a more spiritually remedial or curriculum-oriented way. And above them, you have positive angels and so on. So what I'm saying is, this entire class of beings, you can divide it into positive versus negative, more sophisticated versus less sophisticated, and physical versus non-physical. Now, the important thing, the reason why I created this particular graph is because I wanted to show how the physical plane and the non-physical plane, as you go up in terms of evolution, they merge at the top. Yes. Yeah. They merge at the top. That's something I was going to ask you if that was just a function of the design or intentional, because, yeah, they do kind of come together. Yeah. And the reason why I mentioned that is, if you take, for example, the topic of demons, if you encounter a very low demon, it's not even a demon, it's more like a negative thought form. It's like basically an astral ankle biter. That's all it is. It's like some annoying little thought form. It creates little nightmares. It makes you stressed out at night and ruins your day, that sort of thing. But it doesn't even have a human level of sentience. So a human serial killer is going to be more intelligent and more malevolent than this little tiny demonic minion. However, as you go up the scale of demonic sophistication, the demons become increasingly intelligent, psychic, telekinetic, and they gain increasing level of power over the physical plane. So at the very, very top, you can have these beings that could manifest very strong physical effects like telekinesis, you know, throwing you around, breaking your bones, you know, like you see in Hollywood horror movies, that sort of thing. While at the same time, if you go up the scale of ET evolution, the higher up you go, the less physical these ETs become because they overcome the limits of space and time. And so they gain mastery over their physical bodies. Okay. And so it's possible for them to shift into an etheric state that's not even physical, although they can shift back very easily. Okay. So, but they, but they mostly remain in this non-physical etheric state. So the very top of the ET hierarchy is very, very similar and very close to the top of the demonic hierarchy. Demons because they can become more physical, more, you know, telekinetic and aliens because they can become less physical and more etheric. So it's very, very possible that the top of the negative alien hierarchy and the top of the demonic hierarchy are one in the same. And that is what the Gnostics called the Archons. The Archons were sort of the lead, um, lead spiritual totalitarians, I guess, of our reality system. Yes, that is a great breakdown and a very interesting take because yes, so many people are trying to figure out, are they aliens or demons? And you make a good point that as you scale up in the abilities of a certain being, you are kind of splitting hairs. And I want to jump over to your book, Gnosis, Alchemy, Grail, Ark, and Demiurge, because you write about the tall white Nordic aliens that we do hear stories about, but you frame them in a unique way as keepers of the Grail. To quote the book, They are very likely human-alien hybrids seeded into the population and then recruited into these spiritually elite organizations to fulfill a greater purpose. They walk among us, pretending to be human. Some are integrated into society and hold strategic positions, whether to influence or simply observe. They are genetically compatible with us, and some of their females have engaged human males for sexual encounters and even long-term relationships. Throughout history, they have selected certain humans, or perhaps their own offspring-slash-hybrids raised in human society, for privileged education, training, and guidance, so that these human proxies can function as vectors for their agenda, be it benevolent or hostile to mankind at large. Well, tell us what brings you to that conclusion about them, and let's back it up and talk about the Grail itself, too, because obviously there's a lot of different takes on what the Grail is. I like yours. Sure. So, well, the first thing I should clarify is that typically when we think about alien-human hybrids, we only think about it from the perspective of the modern abduction phenomenon, where you have gray aliens, their genetics, being hybridized with our genetics, you supposedly create a race of hybrids that have the best of both, but that's total BS. It's actually the worst of both. Those types of hybrids, they're more servile than we are. They're less capable of independent thinking. They're more psychic. They might be more intelligent, but they lack that spark of independence that we have, that realness. So, that's not the kind of hybrid I'm talking about here. I'm talking about what's probably an offshoot race of our species that probably diverged from us, possibly 80,000, 200,000 years ago, and who knows if they went into another dimension and became interdimensional, or if they went to other worlds and gained interdimensional powers there. It's hard to tell exactly what the case may be. However, one thing we do know for sure is that they look human, they are genetically compatible with us, they are amongst us, and they can interbreed with us. So, it's almost like we have these superhuman relatives looking at us through the veil. Not the veil that our departed loved ones are behind, but I'm talking about more like a physical, etheric, dimensional veil. It's almost like a sideband reality. That's where they are. It's like the sideband reality. And because they're so close to us, both vibrationally, I guess you could say, and also genetically, they have a very invested interest in how our planet develops through time. Okay. So, that's why they would be involved in steering history as much as they can, you know, interbreeding with certain bloodlines, seeding some of their own hybrids here amongst us. And I don't know if it's even appropriate to call them hybrids. You know, I mean, if you married someone who's of a different race, for example, and you had a kid, we don't call it a hybrid. We just call it, you know, just your child. So, I guess maybe they're not really hybrids, but they have what we would consider off-world genetics just because it's not the typical gene pool that we draw from when, you know, you go on a dating app or something, right? Okay. So, that having been said, let's go back then to the Holy Grail and other ancient technologies like the Ark of the Covenant. Now, why are these so important? Well, they're important because they, I mean, they literally shaped history, okay? If you go back to the Ark of the Covenant, if you read the Old Testament, Exodus, Leviticus, those books, it all, I mean, those all get into the Ark of the Covenant, but there are other traditions too that also talk about that kind of technology. For example, in Persian mythology, the cup of Jamshed, it's a similar thing as the Ark of the Covenant in that it can generate food out of thin air, you know, food or drink out of thin air, like the Ark of the Covenant generating manna, which fell from the skies, which the Israelites would then collect up and make food out of, okay? That's what they would eat. Anyway, so, this technology, the way to understand it is, you have to go all the way back to alchemy, and that's where I start in my Gnosis book. I start with the topic of alchemy, and the question is, okay, well, what is the Philosopher's Stone, and how has it been made? And the basic principle behind it is that you start with a mineral ore that is something that can break down under moisture over a long period of time. So, if you keep repeatedly exposed it to moisture, it starts breaking down into other chemical components. However, if the moisture that you use is actually a moisture drawn from the skies that is laden with cosmic etheric energies, then as this moisture interacts with the ore and breaks it down, that etheric energy gets stored in the chemical product of this breakdown process. So, then over time, this breakdown product, it is a substance that is increasingly saturated with etheric energy, the more and more you do it, until eventually, the etheric energy becomes so strong that the very laws of chemistry begin breaking down, and you wind up with a substance that under normal chemical laws is impossible, like it shouldn't be doing that, but it is doing it, okay? And so, once you have the salt, this magical salt laden with etheric energy, you take it through further processes, you know, the same way you fan a fire to make it hotter and hotter and hotter, and you wind up with an eventual product, which is a philosopher's stone, which is so imbued with etheric energies that it's not even, you can't even consider it just a mineral anymore. It's almost like a living stone, and that's literally what they call it. They call it a vegetable stone because just like a plant, it has a very strong etheric energy field that makes it almost living. Now, if you were to take the stone and you were to grind it up and take a little grain, put it in water, wine, and drink it, the etheric energy, it's almost like holding a lighter to a dry tree. The tree bursts in the flames. Well, if you take it within yourself, you are the tree, and the philosopher's stone is that fire. It's this etheric fire. So, it ignites you etherically, and you become clairvoyant, you gain life extension, and some people claim that it can also move you beyond space and time itself. Kind of like in Star Wars when Obi-Wan Kenobi, you know, died, but not really. He kind of transcended. It's kind of like that. Yeah. And there are stories of Fulcanelli, who's one of the most famous modern alchemists, how he faked his own death, and he was seen a few decades later, decades younger than when he died, living in this commune, like this isolated little community, this enclave, that itself seemed to be outside of time. It's almost like he wasn't fully within reality. Okay? So, that's that. And other alchemists, likewise, they live, you know, 500, 1,000 years. So, it makes you wonder, if alchemy like this had been discovered, let's say, 40,000 years ago, well, those ancient people, if they would have lived, let's say, 1,000 years or even more, how much knowledge could they accumulate in that time? If they had psychic abilities, right? How powerful would they become? Well, they would automatically become the secret societies of that time. They would become the ones who would learn mathematics and geometry and astronomy so well that they would probably encode these in the megaliths that we have distributed all around the world, the pyramids. So, you know, the knowledge that went into the pyramids and megaliths, that sort of technology, that you just, I mean, you can't really develop that within a single lifetime, you know, of 70 years. You have to be a super genius to some extent. You have to be either an alien or a secret society member that is gifted with some degree of immortality through the philosopher's stone, something like that. Okay? Now, the reason why I mention this is because if you take this philosopher's stone idea and you advance it by, you know, a couple more orders of magnitude of sophistication and complexity, you might end up with, let's say, a crystalline sphere or some sort of emerald-looking tablet that is like the philosopher's stone imbued with a very strong etheric energy field, but it's so strong that it also has its own intelligence. Because the thing is, anytime you take etheric energy and you kind of make a construct out of it, if you make it sophisticated enough, you can give it internal feedback loops that turns it into what would be called a tulpoid, I mean, a tulpa, or a thought form, or an egregore. Okay? That's what those things are. They're just etheric non-physical constructs that are programmed to act in an intelligent way. So, they're like etheric AI, essentially. Okay? So, you can imagine how this technology, if you go beyond the philosopher's stone and you create a device or a crystalline object that is programmed in a more sophisticated way, but still has the powers of the philosopher's stone, well, now it's no longer something you imbibe and, you know, gives you longer life. Now, it is something that irradiates you with its field and you automatically can, you know, turn thoughts into physical things. You can, it'll give you longer life. And those are all the properties that you find in the story of the Holy Grail. Okay? The Holy Grail was cared for by chaste virgins who, you know, they're pure and they're very spiritual and they would carry it and they would put it before the Grail Knights and the Grail Knights would hold out their plate and whatever food they would think of, it would materialize on the plate. And this kind of goes back to the Ark of the Covenant because likewise, the Ark of the Covenant, well, interestingly, every single day of the week, the Ark of the Covenant would manifest as manna out of the sky, except for the day before the Sabbath. Because on the Sabbath, everyone's supposed to like not work. Okay? And that's when no manna would fall from the sky. So it's almost as if someone was working the Ark of the Covenant to generate this manna, to precipitate it out of the ethers. Okay? And on the Sabbath day, they're not supposed to be working, so they don't work. So therefore, there's no manna that falls from the sky. So therefore, twice the amount would fall the day before. And that's what they would, you know, that's what would tie them over through the Sabbath day. But it's the same principle. Someone was using probably their thought energy power to manifest as food from the sky. And, you know, same as the Holy Grail manifesting food on the plates of the knights. And likewise, the Ark of the Covenant also required a kind of priesthood, the Levite priests, to take care of it, because it wouldn't allow itself to be touched by anyone else. And if you did try to touch it, you weren't pure enough, or you didn't have the right genetics, and it would fry you, or, you know, it would give you some sort of radiation sickness, and you would die. So there was this ancient technology that is related to alchemy, but is a higher extrapolation of it, that is capable of using its very strong etheric energy field to bend space and time, to materialize thoughts, to heal people, to give them life extension, give them, you know, supernatural paranormal powers. And so once again, the question is, well, then who created it? Like how, how did these technologies even come about? And the only thing that I can say is that it would require someone who is superhuman, and who has superhuman levels of technology to be able to create something like this. So whether it was the ancient Atlanteans, or aliens, or this breakaway superhuman bloodline that diverged from us probably, like I said, 70,000, 80,000 years ago. It has to be one of those, okay? And that is what brings it forward to what we're talking about now with this Nordic-type alien bloodline. Because if you go back in tradition, okay, if you trace back, where does the Holy Grail tradition come from? It's very interesting. If you ask an ordinary person, like, where does the Holy Grail story come from? And you look it up on Wikipedia, it'll say, oh, it comes from the 1100s, where Chrétien de Troyes and Wolfram von Eschenbach, a couple of decades later, they wrote these really long epic poems about the Arthurian knights and Percival and the Holy Grail and the Grail knights and the Grail quest. They wrote those poems back then, and that's what sort of kicked off the story of the Holy Grail. However, however, they were merely drawing on information that had already been circulating orally through oral transmission for several centuries. So the Grail, the original Grail stories didn't happen in the 1100s. It happened many centuries earlier, and it was only passed down orally, you know, through secret societies until eventually it was put into a more poetic, epic form, which could be told, okay. So if you, one of the sources that I found very useful in this regard is a book called The Ninth Century and the Holy Grail by Walter Johannes Stein. Now he was an anthroposophist, meaning he was of the school of Rudolf Steiner and his beliefs, but he was tasked with, so it's Rudolf Steiner. He's an interesting guy because he was very knowledgeable and he was clairvoyant. He knew things. He knew things, both research, but also through a psychic vision. And so he told Walter Johannes Stein, he said, if you want to know the history of the Holy Grail, go look in the ninth century and see what you can find. And that's all he said. So Johannes Stein, he said, okay, fine, I'll do that. And he researched it. And sure enough, Steiner was bang on. He was totally right. And what he found is that the earliest possible introduction of the Grail myths into European history was right around 750 AD, 750 AD. That's, that's when the very beginning was. And the story is that a priest was visited by a supernatural being who handed him, who gave him visions and handed him a book that had the story of the Grail written in it. The idea, the concept of the Grail, okay. It was very similar to Mormonism with the Moroni, the being called Moroni coming down to Joseph Smith and giving him the golden tablets and so on. It's a similar spiel. You know, that's what these higher beings tend to use. That's how they start new religions or new cultural impulses. They just visit someone, they give them a bunch of stuff. And then the person comes out and, you know, becomes like a zealot for their cause. That's sort of how it works. Well, interestingly enough, 750 AD, what other interesting things happened around that time? Well, there's this famous Rosicrucian book. It's famous within amongst the Rosicrucians. Oh, and the Rosicrucians, by the way, they are, the real Rosicrucians, they are a network of highly psychic Christians, Christian mystics. That's pretty much what they are. That's all they are, really. And nowadays, if you were to join AMORC, which is the American order of the Rosicrucians stuff, well, that particular society, that's just like a modern interpretation of it. I mean, they're not the real Rosicrucians. They're just like, I don't want to use the term wannabes, that's too pejorative, but it's people who emulate it. They did their best to put a little spiel together, you know, that summarizes Rosicrucian beliefs as best as they can determine it. And then they call themselves Rosicrucians, but they're more like derivatives. Okay. The original Rosicrucians, they were Christian mystics who were extremely psychic. And because they were psychic, they're able to converse with and interact with higher angelic beings who fill them in on the bigger picture and what's really going on and what their divine task is within the history of humanity. So that's, that's why they are a positive secret society because they ultimately serve the divine will. But they do it through a higher understanding than just, you know, your regular Christian who only reads the Bible in a more like literal kind of way. Okay. So anyway, so within their tradition, there is this interesting book called the Comte de Gabales. Okay. So the Comte de Gabales, that's the name of the book. And it's a book from 1670 put out by a guy named Abby de Villers. Now, interesting enough, this guy wrote this book in order to expose the influence of non-human intelligences on human history. So he gets all into the class of beings called elementals, which are sylphs, nymphs, gnomes, and salamanders. By the way, those, these four beings, they're all humanoid. So even though we think about salamanders nowadays as little lizards that, you know, run around. No, back then it was a code word for essentially reptilian looking humanoids that were associated with fire. Whoa. And then, and, and the gnomes were humanoids that were kind of short and associated with earth. Right. And then nymphs, nymphs were basically for the most part, beautiful superhuman looking women associated with water and sylphs were superhuman men and women associated with the air. So it's kind of interesting that nowadays within the abduction field, you always hear about greys, which are like short, you hear about reptilian humanoids and you hear about these Nordic type beings. Uh, I find the correspondence between those two curious, whatever, whatever that means, whatever that means. Right. So, so that's pretty interesting. And the reason why I mentioned this text is because of all the different, um, historical episodes that had sites about elementals, you know, interbreeding with humans or, uh, creating these, uh, these, these half human, half sylph, uh, superhumans that became like, I mean, like Hercules or Alexander the Great supposedly were half, half human, half divine, his demigods. Well, one of the events that it relates, uh, happens right around 750 AD, the same time that Walter Johannes Stein figured out, uh, the grail story was introduced into Europe. So what happened around 750 AD? Well, that was during the reign of Pepin the first, uh, also known as Pepin the short. Uh, he was the father of King, of, uh, King Charles, also known as Charlie or Charles the Great. Uh, so Charlemagne of France, the King of France, his father was Pepin the first and he ruled right around 750 to like, what, like 70, 80, 80, something like that. Uh, could have been, I mean, I'm being approximate there. Well, so according to this book, right around that time period, there was a Jewish magician who was in contact with these elementals, these sylphs, and he convinced them to show themselves to the world, to introduce themselves to the world. So, and supposedly that's what they did. So all over France, well, actually more so like the Northwestern parts, they showed themselves, uh, and wearing in uniforms, in the skies, in ships, and flying squadrons. Okay. It's almost like a, like a mass disclosure event at the time. And they showed themselves to the people in order to introduce, you know, themselves and say like, Hey, we're here. We're not, we don't mean any harm. Uh, we're just letting you know that we coexist with you. Well, people were so panicked that they thought it was some sort of satanic sorcery that, uh, you know, a lot of pandemonium broke out. Yeah. So as the story goes, uh, as, as a sign of goodwill, these sylphs thought, okay, you know what we'll do? We will abduct random people from population. We'll take them back to our realm, our world, and we will show them our beautiful Republic, show them that everything's great. And then we'll put them back. And then they can tell their locals that, Hey, you know, we, we've personally witnessed that they mean us no harm and everything's good. So that was the theory, but guess what happened? These people were abducted. And as they were brought back and seen being lowered from the skies, all the locals thought that they had been taken by Satan or something and, uh, were sorcerers that they had been consorting with the devil. So a lot of them were, uh, killed by drowning or being burned at the stake, unfortunately. And so, yeah, so things didn't get better. So, uh, it wasn't, so this went on for a while until Charlemagne during his reign, he, uh, had to institute laws outlawing the contact of elementals with the human population at large. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So that, I mean, then this is all in the Comte de Gabales book. Okay. So the interesting thing about that is even though Charlemagne banned them from, from having mass contact, evidence seems to point to the idea that he still allowed private contact with members of his own court or of his own bloodline. So what evidence, I assume just other things that you've picked up from the writings. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, um, for example, it was during the reign of Charlemagne that the original grail knights that we read about in the story, you know, from like the, the, the real King Arthur of the time and the real parts of all, I mean, they didn't have those names, but they had their other, other names, like, Oh, what was it? I had it written down. Cause I keep forgetting what the name is. Uh, well, anyway, uh, one was Knight Hugo. Another one was like Walter Rauchenau, something like that. Anyway, the, yeah, there we go. Waldo of Rauchenau, that was his name. So there, there are people in his court who became the, the proto, the historical proto figures of the later grail knights that were in the stories of the 1100s. And during Charlemagne's reign, not only is that when the original grail knights were formed, that is also when chivalry became codified or actually that that's, that's when it originated. So the, the code of chivalry, which isn't, you know, it's not just about like, like, like, like buying flowers for women or holding doors open for women. No, it was like an actual code of conduct for knights in service to their King. Now there was a lot of a spiritual, um, you know, it's, it's kind of like in, in Japan with the, with the feudal knights, they had this, this code of honor that just, it's the same, same sort of template, but it was transposed into Europe and it was highly associated with all the ethos, all the principles, all the ethics that as best as I can tell these, these superhuman sylphs imparted upon the civilization of the time, the culture of the time. They were the ones who seeded this code of chivalry, this idea of higher honor, self-sacrifice, courtly love, you know, denying your baser impulses in order to, to bring it to a higher spiritual level. Cause that sort of concept did not exist in Europe prior to that point. And all of a sudden during the reign of Charlemagne, I remember he was the son of Pepin the first is, which is when the sylphs first introduced themselves. It was during that time period that this, this, this, uh, almost, um, Gnostic pagan spiritual impulse was seeded all of a sudden into Europe, the same time that these sylphs showed up same time that they're making contact with people and probably also interbreeding with some of the the royal nobility there in order to, to gain a foothold within European political culture at the time. So, so that's why it's, that's why I'm saying that they probably had a role in that because there is no other good explanation about where this higher spiritual impulse came from during that time. And it aligns with Walter Johannes Stein's research saying 750 AD, it aligns with, uh, the origins of chivalry and it aligns with Charlemagne and his reign and not just how, how great and mighty of a king he was with all the innovations and, and everything surrounding that. So, yeah, so, so it does seem to me that that was more of a sort of a limited disclosure event at the time. And, um, because Charlemagne outlawed it on a mass level, it wasn't public disclosure anymore, but it was still like private contact between the elites of the time and those things. And you know what? Nowadays, it's a very similar situation where probably due to some national security laws and treaties that our government might've made with non-human beings, they're not allowed to just mass contact us. You know, they can do it in limited ways towards some sort of eventual disclosure event. However, behind the scenes in secret, these beings are still contacting different contactees, uh, probably still dealing with a secret military personnel, you know, still doing some sort of, uh, interaction with them and so on. So yeah, the situation between nowadays and the 700s and 800s AD is really not all that different. Right, man. That's a great breakdown. And yes, just to go through some of my notes on the grail stone and take it back to the philosopher's stone. Like you said, that's kind of another example of what you call demiurgic technology. You say that's kind of low demiurgic technology because it only affects things on a chemical level. And then the grail stone might've been an example of higher demiurgic technology because it affects things on the ethereal. And what I thought was really interesting about your breakdown here is you talk about these stones kind of coming from space or as they say, falling from heaven. And this is a motif I hear in other contexts. There's the stone cradle that, uh, seems to be a healing stone that came on a meteor with a being of light that this secret society in Girona, Spain calls Lucifer. And it's hard to say sometimes if Lucifer is a being's name or a title of a light bringing being, which is a being that just brings a technology, which oftentimes is some kind of stone or rock or meteor or something like that. But like you say, there are parallels to today where the invisible college talks about the gifting fields out in the Nevada desert. And they go out there after they perform some sort of rituals and they look around, they sift around for meta materials that are given to them, which it's usually in an ET context, but I put it in more of that spiritual context, like something from the higher planes manifests a physical object and gives it to the people who they're in contact with. It's really wild, but I just wanted to read this here where you say the grail stone is an example of what is hereby called demiurgic technology. This technology alters the etheric and astral matrix code beneath reality to reshape it. In actuality, the grail was a magical stone capable of manifesting thoughts into physical reality. It possessed an oracle-like intelligence that directed its superhuman guardians into carrying out the divine will. It was a stone that fell from heaven or rather was brought to earth by a troop of angels that remained neutral when Lucifer waged his war against God. In other words, it's an alien artifact brought to this planet and entrusted to an elite human lineage. And that might be hybrids, it might be the Rosicrucians, but when you say it is a technology that alters the matrix code and reshapes it, I'm curious what you mean. Because you say something similar about the arc, I believe, just trying to find it in my notes, you refer to it as basically the lock and key of reality. I have so many notes it's hard to find that quote, but something akin to the lock and key of reality. So we know what an oracle does and we know what manifestation is, but you start to use terms like that and it's a little unclear what we're talking about. What does it mean to kind of recode the matrix and be the key and lock to our reality? Yeah, yeah. So that's sort of the main point of my Gnosis book, which is that if you have a device, and it's not just a device, it's a living, occult, divine organism to some extent. If you have something like that, that can reshape, that can turn thoughts into reality, can it turn a higher divine thought into reality itself? Can it generate a reality? I mean, according to the myths, it can generate things within reality, but is there an aspect of it that's so powerful that it can generate a reality in itself? And you can think of it, I guess in that sense, like the central server of a massive online multiplayer game. So the central server is what is tying all of our individual instances of the game together into a shared experience. And we live in that world, it functions real for the most part, because you can run into a wall or a bush and you might get deflected in the game. However, it is all being simulated or generated ultimately by the central server. And the central server needs to run on something, it needs to run on, you know, silicon, CPUs, GPUs, network connections. So what if there is an occult analog to that where you have the semi metaphysical, semi-physical technology that serves that role to coordinate our own individual realities together into a shared reality. And this kind of gets into simulation theory, which I'm sure you've probably talked about on your show before. So a simulation theory, usually people talk about it in terms of just pure technology, like, oh, maybe our reality is fake. And we're actually running on a computer that's existing a million years from now by some alien civilization. And that's possible. However, the simulation theory doesn't fully hold up when you take into consideration, let's say synchronicities, manifesting spiritual lessons and so on, because those things have to do with feeling, meaning, purpose, spirituality, all the traits of pure consciousness, not necessarily what you would expect of a digital simulation, which would only be responsible for generating the game world in terms of, you know, the laws of physics and linear time and, you know, persistence throughout time and history and so on. So, you could make a game, you know, being a guy who played video games a lot, you can make a game that is spiritual in tone that contains spiritual elements. It can be programmed in, like anything, like a dragon could be. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, you could program that in. The issue is that, for us at least, the spiritual experiences that we have, they're very customized and very tailored and very responsive to only our consciousness in a way that requires something that can read the inner depths of our spiritual needs. Right, they're personal. Yeah, good point. Yeah, they're a little more personal. So, I guess it would be possible, however, in that case, whatever did program the game itself would have had to have spiritual wisdom and knowledge. So, you know, so, so, so one way there's a, there's a divine spiritual component somewhere in that equation, whether it is within the game or whatever can design the game or something that is strictly, uh, um, belonging to us as the players of the game and not necessarily the programming of the game itself. So, you know, it's, it's somewhere in there. Yes. Okay. So, um, so, so to answer your question then about what, what, what do I mean by the arc or the grail being this almost like a, like a key, like a key system to, to reality? Well, what I mean is that if you have something like that, which is so influential on history, it, it, it, it essentially generates an entire timeline. So, okay. So for example, nowadays we see what's happening in Israel and the Palestinians and the whole conflict in the Mideast and how there could be a war being kicked off with Iran at any moment. If, you know, things really pop off, well, that'd be very bad for us, right? Well, but, where does that, where does that all originate? Well, if you trace it back in time, it originates to the ancient Israelites being kicked out of Egypt with the Ark of the Covenant and using the Ark of the Covenant to pillage their way North to their so-called promised land. And it's only because of that technology that they survived that process and were able to establish, uh, their, their civilization back then. And therefore that's why we have Israel nowadays as a, as a ghostly echo of that ancient, of that ancient glory. So their existence and everything that's happening nowadays. I mean, I mean, if, if Iran launches either nuclear or more likely cyber attacks on the U S and life, as we know, it goes down the tubes, trace it back in history, you can trace it back to the Ark of the Covenant, allowing the Israelites to survive and establish their civilization, uh, more than 3000 years ago. Exactly. I mean, right around 3,500 years ago. So this kind of kind of technology, it, um, if it is alien in origin, or if you believe in the time travel theory, if it's sent from the future, it is something that entered our world and changed it severely, fundamentally and irreversibly. And so therefore it acted as almost like the inception point for history as we know it. And that's why I put it at the very pivot point of the timeline, you know, in one timeline, it did not exist. So therefore the Israelites did not survive and in the other timeline it existed and the Israelites survived and we have history as we know it nowadays, including world war II, which was, you know, fought over the Jewish question as well, amongst other things. So, yeah. So yeah. That's a great breakdown. I did find the quote, the stone that fell from heaven was brought here on purpose by the neutral angels, according to grail lore and lowered into our space time bubble, like a slim Jim or coat hanger to unlock the door from inside to be more accurate. The grail is the lock and key to our reality altogether. One could say its primary role is to begin and end timelines while its secondary role is to blend the timeline along the way, depending on who controls it. So yeah, just like what you're saying. And I wanted to jump up to the present because you have so many interesting things to say about the present timeline and situation we're in and time is just flying by. Let's talk about what you call the Rosicrucian end game. I like that term. How would you describe their agenda and what we should expect and how close it is to fulfillment? So the Rosicrucian agenda, you have to think about them as, as alchemists, alchemical engineers of civilization. So they're practicing planetary alchemy, which is to transform human civilization into a higher state, higher spiritual state. So a more noble, more refined, more intelligent, longer living, more sophisticated kind of human, as opposed to the base metal human, which you see when you walk out into the streets and you look around or look at these, these, yeah. Right. Or, you know, or like, uh, you can go to any, any public place like Walmart or something. And you can see how just ordinary people live in their lives. Um, and it seems okay. You know, it's, it's okay. It's fine, but it's actually nothing really compared to the level that they want to take things. So they would, they want to take us to, it's, it's almost like, um, like, like earlier, what I described about when someone takes the philosopher's stone and they get transformed etherically, psychically, you know, almost like transcending space time. They want to do that planet wide to our entire civilization and essentially bringing us up to speed or up to the level of these higher beings that already exist right now. And I'm talking about these superhuman non-human intelligences or, you know, maybe they are human, but they're like a different kind of human that are more advanced that have already done this previously. They've already gone there. So just to step in here, we hear a lot about the planet needs to raise its consciousness. We might be in a cycle of catastrophe and we keep going through this loop where we're trying to raise our consciousness to a certain level. We maybe don't get there and the cosmic cataclysm knocks us back down or something. So the Rosicrucian end game would be sounds like a positive thing. If they're trying to shepherd this evolution in, because it seems like the major forces are trying to keep that evolution from happening. And I consider the modern Rosicrucians to be kind of the invisible college, the people who are behind ufology and that sort of realm, because they talk about venerating and having a lot of respect for Rosicrucianism. And Jacques Vallée says he is a Rosicrucian. So he's in that milieu. Is that who we're talking about in your eyes? Are we talking about the invisible college shepherding those things along? And basically it sounds like you're saying that they do want humanity to advance rather than to keep us dormant. Yeah, it's kind of tricky. It's kind of tricky because earlier when I mentioned AMORC, which is like a modern derivative imitation, I guess, of the real Rosicrucians. Well, the issue is that because Rosicrucians are a secret society or a secret network that became public enough to be known that they exist. Well, that left everyone else guessing about who they really are, what they really believe and so on. And so a lot of derivative lore sprang up around that. That was secondary. That wasn't actually the original Rosicrucians. It was more like other esoteric beliefs and people kind of glommed that on to that idea. And so when you have someone like Jacques Vallée nowadays who calls himself a Rosicrucian, well, which Rosicrucianism is he talking about, right? Is he talking about the original real thing or is he talking about some sort of derivative? And I don't know. That's just a theoretical question you might want to ponder. And so the invisible college, it's possible that they might not have any real ties to the real Rosicrucians, but they take inspiration from them and they might even model themselves after it to some degree. They might have a lot of respect for a lot of the information that surrounds the Rosicrucian field. And why is that? Well, it's because the Rosicrucians, they are so earlier within that diagram that I mentioned, how there's everyday positive humans and above them, there's benevolent leaders and above them, there's positive secret societies. Above positive secret societies, you have the alien level. So the Rosicrucians are somewhere in that realm, somewhere within that level right there. And so anyone who is interested in ufology and in higher alien type beings would probably be interested in Rosicrucianism because they're on the way there. You know, they're like halfway to that level. And I think that's probably why Jacques Vallée and others of his network would be interested in that. It's because it gives a pathway of starting to approach that level. But yeah, so getting back to the Rosicrucian endgame, you have to remember that the real Rosicrucians, they're not acting independently. They're acting on behalf of inspirations or even commands that issue above them. And what is above them? Well, you got the higher angelic hierarchy, which is the non-physical side of it. And you have what I guess we could call positive aliens, whatever they actually truly are, whether they're time travelers or crypto-terrestrials or inter-dimensionals or whatever. But they look human enough, they look humanoid enough, they have physical bodies. So we might as well call them aliens. And so that's where they take the order from. So the Rosicrucian endgame is really essentially the Nordic alien endgame. That's really what it's about. So, oh, and I should remind people that when I say Nordic aliens, don't put all humanoid looking aliens into the same bucket because as best as I can from all the abduction research I've done, all the contactees that I've talked to, there are different factions among them. Some of them are more arrogant and aloof and probably see us as a resource to exploit. And then the other ones, there's a spectrum of more neutral to the more positive ones. So this ties back to what you quoted from my book about the war in heaven and the neutral angels bringing the grail down to earth for safekeeping. So that story comes from Wolfram von Eschenbach's book, Parts of All. And it is one of the original grail stories that was put out there in Europe right around 1200 AD. And by that point, chivalry, which had the elemental, sylph, pagan, gnostic beginnings, it had become Christianized by that point. So all the lore that went into Wolfram von Eschenbach's book was framed within the gloss of Christianity and the mythos of Christianity. And so that's why it gets into, oh, the war of heaven between God and Lucifer and the angels bringing this thing down. So, you know, it was all wrapped up in that Christian, um, symbology. However, if you strip away the Christian gloss of it, what you're left with essentially is a war probably between different factions of Nordic aliens, who knows how many tens of thousands of years ago, or if they're time travelers, I suppose it could be from the future, but it happened at some point within reality. Okay. And, um, they had a kind of technology that the neutral ones amongst them brought to earth for safekeeping. And it's been here ever since, uh, playing a role in history by bringing to life certain, um, you know, certain civilizations or certain, uh, dynasties or kingdoms like, uh, like, like Charlemagne's kingdom in France during the 700s and 800s. So, so that time period, it was heavily influenced by this kind of technology and the influences from the other realm. And that was all setting up the pieces for the world that we have nowadays leading into the future, which is going probably to be playing out different types of alien end games and the competitions between them. Hmm. Man, it's just so epic. It seems like we're just talking about a lot of things that are hard to even know, but I still find it all interesting. And the arc and the grail are clearly very ancient objects. Has it been a long time since high demiurgic technology was injected into the system or are there more modern examples that you would fold into that? Well, uh, if you were to look at modern things, you might have to look at, let's say, uh, you know, cause of the Nazis, the Nazis under Hitler and under the, uh, and an Anurba, they did a lot of scouring of the world of Tibet, of, uh, various, you know, jungles around the world, trying to look for hidden technologies. And they probably did find some, they probably found, you know, Vimana crafts from the old ancient epic Indian Vedic times. They probably found that they found some other technologies who knows, right? Then they probably reverse engineered it. And, um, but the thing is we, we wouldn't know about it. It was too recent in history to become a big part of our mythology and our culture, like the grail or the arc was so, because that stuff happened almost a thousand years ago with the grail and 3,000, 3,500 years ago with the arc. Well, that added plenty of time to become known by pretty much everyone. Like even kids know about King Arthur and the grail and so on. Right. Right. Nowadays it was a little, little too recent. So, um, but one thing I will say is that it is pretty likely that the holy grail was probably a piece of the, um, you know, I call it the stone tablets, but they're really like some other thing that was put into the arc of the covenant. Right. Because the work, cause you know, one of the things that the old Testament says is that the tablets, you know, Moses threw them down and they're broken. So that, that became recorded as part of the myth and probably has some truth to it. And that the original device, which by the way, he took out of the great pyramid, it wasn't Mount Sinai. It was actually the great pyramid that he went up into. Cause if you, if you read the account of Mount Sinai and, and all the, the rumbling and how he put his soldiers around the base of it, well, you can't do that with the real Mount Sinai, but you can do it with the great pyramid. And if you look at the path that the Israelites took out of Egypt into Canaan, well, the pathway, it makes perfect sense that they would go through Cairo area and the great pyramids on the way there. Whereas for them to go down to Mount Sinai means a major deviation, which would be very treacherous and very hard for them to go all the way South into the Sinai Peninsula and then come back up. And I mean, there's really no reason for them to do that. So I think the Bible is either lying or mistaken or something about it being Mount Sinai. And then that's a whole, that's a whole separate subject about what is true and what is false in the Bible and why, but yes, I do, I do get into that a little bit in my book too. Yes. It's so difficult. Everything is so twisted to obscure the truth and also to make it conform to the framework of, like you say, Christianity or something. Right on. Well, it is about that time. I'm so glad we could finally connect like this. I know you have so much material. We could never really touch on everything, but this was a lot of fun. Let people know where to follow up with you or anything else you're going to be working on next. Is there another book in the works? Mainly right now I'm focusing on content for social media and also making some music again. Music kind of keeps my morale up. So I love, I love making music. So I'll probably do that this summer. Um, but yeah, you guys can find me on Twitter. Well, on X, X.com slash Tom Montauk, one word. Uh, I'm also on YouTube under that handle and, uh, also on Amazon. You can find me on Amazon as well. So love it. Very cool. Well, it was an honor and a pleasure. Hope to do it again sometime, but take care out there. The power of Christ compels you people. Tom Montauk coming in hot, you know, when it comes to people who have not been on THC yet, but have a large number of guest requests, I think Tom would be on the top 10 list, at least if not top five. So I hope I did it justice. I hope it turned out like a lot of people who made that request hoped it would. I find his entity hierarchy graphic to be really well-designed. I'm going to throw it up again. There are people who write these kind of alien race encyclopedias. And to me, those can get a little bit silly, but we do seem to be dealing with more than one thing. And I just like the 3d design of this on a 2d graphic. It's nice. And then another thing I wanted to just throw up and show as a visual reference was this stone from this ancient temple in Israel. I got this from somewhere coming through his work, but when I went to Armenia, this kind of stuff was all over the place. Little swastikas carved into boulders out in the middle of nowhere next to petroglyphs of livestock and tilling fields. Clearly these symbols have a completely different original context, probably just stellar patterns and sky plasmas. But even if that is how they were derived, there's probably other layers to their meaning and value as well. And isn't it just better to get to the source of a thing, but really good interview. I would say I'm on the same page as Tom with a lot of this stuff. Sometimes it's hard to articulate. He's good at it. And then a lot of times people just gravitate to those who have a perspective that resonates. And I would put Tom in that category for myself now, for sure. Back in the day, it's totally fair to say that I was a little bit bored with the Ark of the Covenant, Holy Grail, Dan Brown kind of stuff, just because I think Catholicism took up enough of my time at that point in my life. But I love the way Tom frames it. And in the wider context of demiurgic inserted technology and specifically the Ark and this idea of plasma being communication devices, I'm a big fan of this thought that Yahweh was just some kind of lower tier spiritual intelligence or an archon, even something at the demiurgic level, but just not God himself. You know, this is something that was so off-putting to people. It was so astonishing that they exalted this random being to the level of God. You know, the occultists would say that haunted or enchanted objects are definitely a thing, but the lore is that it's usually possessed by some kind of being that isn't the one true God. That's actually way less likely. So I think that that context around these possibilities that are in the ancient past in the Bible, it's just fun. So one thing that's in my notes here that we didn't get to is from the FAQ page on Tom's website, but I thought this was interesting. The question is, how do we contract to become part of the demiurgic control grid? And he says, I think it boils down to the fact that on some level, we made a choice that resulted in us being here in this physical universe. And when you take on a human body, you choose to accept its limitations. One of these limitations is that by default, we only have five senses that funnels our consciousness into a very narrow range into perception of only the part of reality controlled by the demiurge. So really choosing to incarnate is choosing to take on a handicap, a kind of ignorance or blindness or delusion. This kind of reminds me of the Howdy Makowski stuff, the soul trap hypothesis. Sometimes I think that is a little bit blackpilled for me. I don't really think this is a hell dimension and I'm kind of liking my experience and I want it to continue as long as it can. So I hope I'm not alone in that, but I understand the idea that it's limiting from our true nature perspective. 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Let's take a look at the meetup calendar like we tend to do coming up on June 8th. We have the trails cafe in LA and we have an event in San Antonio, Texas. And after that is the June 14th raw milk party in Lanesboro, Massachusetts and June 28th, Orlando, Florida blue jacket park magic magnetism and fun. How can you go wrong? As always, anyone can go to higher side meetups.com to make an event. It's free and easy. Just pick a low pressure public place in your town or city and invite people and give me a few weeks to announce it. And the locals will hear it and probably show up a local business gets supported and new connections are made. I think it's a win-win, but all right, that's really all we got. Big thanks to Tom for crushing it today and for having such well thought out perspectives on complex ideas and subjects. Montauk.net for more. I'm getting out of here. Your move, matrix control, grid operatives, demiurgic technology tinkers, and rascally Rosicrucius. Your fucking move. Some of us saw all of this first. Now it's everywhere you look like a frog in boiling water. It's all starting to. Is this over? It's bleeding right through. I've been hurt. How about you? Well, you can turn it around. Give up. Fuck the system. Fill your own cup. Wanna say I told you so. I just want you to see it my way. Can't just step off the gas this time. They redlined all the things. The experiment is over now. There are no more guinea pigs. If you want to wave a sign around, I'll see you on the other side. I can get the sentiment. But why give them any more time? Before you break, you can turn turn it around. Give the system. Fill your own cup. I won't go. I just want to.