UAP Secrets: Private Contractors, Crash Retrievals, & Global Coverups

We think by the way today that a lot of this has migrated to these private contractors uh and that they seem to be controlling the the narrative right now. Although we can talk about that but certainly at the beginning people have this vision that somehow the government had these scientists working on and there were government scientists of course but when you get something of that kind of anomalous and exotic technology the government even in the early days knew we don't have the the full expertise to do this so they would trust these these outside contractors. The only thing I know from a a personal basis is they're pretty secure. Uh my brother worked for TRW uh all his career and he worked on projects that were classified. Um and I I'm not saying he worked on UFOs or UAP, but he worked on projects he couldn't talk about. He worked in a building that had no windows and he was very aware that you don't talk. And I I remember once I was uh supposed to go do some story in Russia and he said, "Please don't go." And I said, "Why? Why not?" And he said, "Well, the Russians know how to turn people. They use money, drugs, or women. And I'm worried about you." Which it says more about me and my my relationship with my brother, I suppose, than anything. But >> he took his oath as seriously as any government person. even though he didn't work for the government, he always would talk about uh we had a project and we had um a I think it was a buyer, not a buyer. Um I forget the word he used, but he never said government, but it was always clear that the government was was paying for these people to do these things. So I that aside, so you can keep a secret. These people had been working on it for a long time. But to follow that up, are are you suggesting that there is a moment in the historical narrative of of crash retrievalss where the government takes the position we're still too involved in it? We need to outsource this a little more fully. I've heard that as a case that has to do with the Freedom of Information Act that somehow when that was coming into play, the government said maybe we shouldn't hold all these secrets ourselves. Does that make any sense? or do you have you heard that? >> Yes, I think the migration happened even earlier than the foyer era. However, but yeah, freedom of information um was first passed in 1966 and then was strengthened significantly in 1974. And it was that it was that second iteration of FOYA that uh very quickly resulted in a lot of UFO documents being yanked out of out of the government uh to everyone's surprise. And I think um that probably could have been additional motivation. But what it looks like uh frankly is that the migration to working with private contractors happened earlier than this and for very very solid reasons because that's where all the expertise really was. Uh by the way, you mentioned TRW with your brother and and they they do have uh significant UAP connections. You know, uh, anyone who reads Davis notes with his conversation with Thomas Wilson, at the very end of that long document, people may not realize, but there are TRW connections. And there is a a a woman mentioned at the very end on the last page. She worked at TRW. And uh uh there's no question in my mind that she had knowledge, deep knowledge of uh the UFO program that she got through her own uh connections or research. >> But TRW and then TRW was bought by Northrup as well. So Northrup, >> correct? >> U no there's there's a lot going on. But I I mentioned Battel Memorial Institute earlier. Let me just mention that because they they get into the picture early uh back in the 40s and 50s. It's like when people think about UAPs, like they'll usually picture, you know, pilots or secret aircraft, but what they rarely picture is a a quiet scientific organization doing long-term analysis behind closed doors, just the way you describe your brother's work. But that's where Battel Memorial Institute comes in. So, Battel is a private nonprofit research organization. uh they are said to be e either the best or the one of the top material science uh institutes in the world. So they're absolutely top-notch and they've done all kinds of classified work for the US government since World War II including uh nuclear materials advanced metallurgy uh and they're very close to Wright Patterson Air Force Base as well. So what matters for UAPs is that Patel was brought up into the problem very early uh in the early 50s. It worked with uh Wright Patterson on something called Project Stor. This was officially to organize and analyze UFO reports. The significance here isn't paperwork, it's access uh at a time when UFOs were quietly treated as a serious issue, you know, despite all the public downplaying. Uh there's also a name that pops up in the research of um uh a person, I can't remember her name. I have her book here, but the the scientist is named Elroy John Center, and he was a metallurgist. Uh, and he worked at Battel. And in the early 1960s, Center literally went on the record and in some conversations said, "Yes, here at Battel, we uh a number of years ago, I was charged with analyzing uh uh unusual metals connected to a UFO case." uh in connection to I think this was connected to classified titanium alloy research, but it was a a direct connection that he discussed of this material. said no one knew where it came from, but we all suspected kind of UFO stuff >> and connecting it to um very very high level research that Battel would do and then would get passed on to other uh private manufacturing uh organizations that could actually subsequently undertake that research. So, Patel was kind of like or is um it's it's this kind of in between organization where they're doing a lot of hands-on metallurgical analysis of very exotic materials that was absolutely necessary before you move it on to the next stage of actual applications and fabrication. So, that's one important note. And they were working this in the 1950s. Don Schmidt, our friend who's such a Roswell uh researcher, um has drawn what he says is a direct line to Battel on the Roswell materials. He he feels like that's um that's a done deal now for him. Um >> yeah, >> there's a good researcher named Anthony Bgali. I'll just mention him now because he he hasn't been around for a little while, but he did great work and he did a a tremendous amount of research on this and the development of a a metal called Nitanol. and he connects that with Patel and and Roswell. >> When we say crash wreckage, folks, I just want to put one thing out there. It usually implies government recovery, but of what? Quite often of a downed non-human craft. That's the idea. It involves the associated materials. So sometimes there's they're not as easily they're part of the crash. but also sometimes biologics which as Rich and I have discussed usually means bodies uh but maybe not in some cases. Um but I guess Rich the question I I I got a couple of quick questions here. First is there any what do we know about intact craft? So in other words a it might not even be a crash but somehow we have recovered a full intact craft. Has that happened in your view? And if so when do you think it happened? the the word is that the Kingman crash of 1953 was fundamentally intact. Uh depending on, you know, how you look at the Aztec crash, there's at least some argument that that was fundamentally mostly intact as well. Uh when you read uh Eric Davis's notes on his conversation with Wilson, and I don't think there's anyone now willing to dis uh dispute that that's authentic notes. uh that those notes uh Wilson told him that you know the people he spoke to that they had an intact craft as well and they were struggling to figure out how to replicate it and how it worked and so forth. So you do get there are some references to intact craft. I've say Kingman is probably the best uh version the best example of a retrieval but I I'm pretty sure there are others that come to mind. I just I can't think of them at the moment. you know, with with all the work that you've done in the last few weeks, do you at this point have a case that you would cite that say this I and let's put Roswell aside, put a pin in Roswell, besides Roswell, is there a case that you would say, now that's a really good case. Is it the 33 Italian crash magenta? Is it something else? Uh well, the magenta one I think is I I I it strikes me as very plausible, but I don't know that I could uh say that I'm completely confident that all of it happened as as claimed. I think it did. It looks It looks to me that it did. Uh really good cases. Yeah, there's a few. Uh I'm not allowed to mention Roswell, so okay, fine. I do think you don't have to listen to me, man. Just talk about whatever you want to talk about. I think Roswell really can't be ignored here. It it is is it's a fundamentally important one in the history of this even if um you know I mean a year before Roswell you had the the the ghost rockets over Scandinavia and just very quickly this was a series of sightings of objects that were being seen over mostly Sweden but other parts of Scandinavia. And in fact, a lot of these sightings were seen over other parts of Europe later in the summer of 1946. And we know that some of these objects did come down in in um many of the infinite lakes that Sweden has and and some came down on land. And uh according to a declassified Swedish report from uh the 1980s, they stated that they had recovered parts of this. There's no information as to the the nature of this. It's really very mysterious to this day. >> If they recovered it, why haven't they shared their work? Uh Sweden seems open on this topic. Why don't they say >> they're not okay? >> No, I mean they're, you know, they were they were controlled by the United States right out of the gate on this. In 1946, in that summer, uh they were visited by two generals. General Jamie D Jim James Dittle famous >> and General David Sarnoff who was also very I believe he became head of RCA later. They both went to Sweden in this height of the summer 1946 to confer as private individuals we were told. Uh but as soon as they met with the Swedish government uh that government just clamped down on all information about these these sightings of these objects uh back at that time. I don't want to get too off uh base here, but there is discussion like are these Russian missiles? Have the Russians uh suddenly tripled the range of the V2 rockets and are they flying them to screw at the Swedes? No, that was not what was happening. We we're quite confident that it wasn't. Uh so it's an it's an unresolved mystery to this day. And Sweden u yeah, you know, they're a western democracy, I suppose, but that doesn't mean that they're open. They they still have a military and a an intelligence system and you know they parcel out their information just like anyone else. >> My my son is married to a Swedish woman so shout out to Sweden. Um but by the way you mentioned Russia and we're talking about crash wreckage. Do Russia and people have been talking about the new cold war which is to figure out how to how to deal with this technology which would imply that Russia and China have their own crash retrievals. Is that accurate? Oh, sure. Looks like it. Yeah. Russia, we know more. Uh there are a number of events in Russian history in which uh unusual things are believed to have gone