UFO Q&A: Disclosure, Whistleblowers, Spielberg & What Comes Next in 2026

Hi everyone and welcome back to That UFO Podcast. My name is Andy and it's 2026 so I'm kicking off with the show I promised later last year, 2025. I'm looking at some of your questions and comments from the year that was but also an AMA. Ask me anything to look forward to 2026. Thank you to everyone checking this one out. It's an incredibly cold day here in the UK. We're in the midst of a bad cold snap so all of you listeners down in the southern hemisphere will be enjoying the warmer weather just now but the rest of us are suffering a little bit. I'm not going to lie. I have the heated blanket on. It is my best friend at the moment in the shed so let's see how this one goes. Thank you so much to everyone who contributed. A lot of great questions to go. Before we get into those, of course, a few thank yous. So to everyone who bought the book over the last couple of weeks or months, it stayed at Christmas number one in the UFO chart in the UK. 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Um, the mantis and reptilians seem a lot more authoritative, you know, the, a lot more intelligence to them, perhaps, or self-control. I don't know. Um, then you get the Nordic-y type, which is a weird kind of species. Do they live elsewhere? Is that a future precursor to what we are going to be or what we were? Um, I don't know. Probably like the kind of reptilian-y types. I think I'm probably biased thinking of Star Wars and Star Trek and stuff like that as well. But, um, yeah, interesting question to kick things off. Um, yeah, those seem a lot more in charge of things and probably more on the sinister side, um, of, of the UFO topic as well. The little greys seem more like worker drones, don't they? I don't, is that just me? That's something, that's something I expect to see in Spielberg's disclosure day when it comes out. Various types of alien beings. I, I hope we don't just see one type interacting within that film and that it touches on the idea that there are multiple different species at play. Yeah. Again, as always, folks, share your thoughts. Um, Nick says, after the events of 2025, what's an aspect of the phenomenon I am more certain about and an aspect I am less certain about? So, um, I would say something I'm definitely more certain of is the, the idea of this phenomenon has a far more localized base here under the water, or at least an aspect of this phenomenon has an underwater presence here on Earth. If you've not seen the movie The Abyss, brilliant movie, not to spoil it, but an aspect of that deals with that underwater alien phenomenon, essentially. You know, do you go as deep as underwater bases that we hear about? I love that idea of the, the mobile base that moves about, that the US government knows about, that when they approach it, it disappears for a few days, then comes back. It can be quite defensive. Um, Richard Dolan, um, has just been talking on Need to Know with Bryce Sable. He's got his second and third volumes of his USO series drew out this year. It's something that, uh, Congressman Tim Burchett, Congressman Eric Burleson, Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna, and others have talked about recently. The idea of this phenomenon being based underwater is something coming from the water that it's not necessarily leaving and going so far away. I, I think that's something that looks more and more certain for me. Um, and also something I'd love to see the public be more aware of or be made, you know, more aware of personally. Um, that's one of those aspects of this phenomenon that you feel when you hear about the public being not ready for this conversation or being scared or reacting badly. I think that is one thing if they found out there was something in the water, whether it was robotic or biological or sentient, I think that would scare people. I think that would scare the masses. Um, because you know, what are you going to go do and shoot guns at the water? No. Um, I mean, some people probably would, not recommended folks, but yeah, for me, I think that's one thing that in 2026, we will hear more about the underwater aspect of this phenomenon and an aspect I'm less certain of. Um, I would say how closely, and I'll leave some key names out of it. You can fill in the blanks themselves, but how closely aligned some of the key names in this topic who may be from 2020, 2021, 2022 still are. Because I see there was a point where we had so many key players seemed associated with each other. And now it definitely seems like there are factions and I feel people have gone their own different ways with their own agendas, their own groups. There is some crossover still, but is that because of ego playing a part of it? Is it different ideas, different narratives that that's happens, that's human nature. But as a case of some folks spent time with each other and grew to not like what someone was about or a group was about and they went their separate ways. Yeah. So for me, that's something I'm less certain about as the, the, the agenda of some folks on this topic. I don't know. Um, I think it's obvious that sometimes money comes into play, fame comes into play. The human ego comes into play in this topic. Is there a chance that some of these folks have, have been got at by the legacy program, the gatekeepers? Maybe. I think sometimes it's just as simple as, you know, they've carved out their own niche and they want to protect that. Um, is that right? That's, that's up to you to decide or not. But yeah, I think the, the agendas and narratives have certainly changed over the last couple of years. Again, agree, disagree, leave a, leave a comment. I'd love to know your thoughts. Get in touch with me on this. Really, really want this year to be about community, the people talking about this subject and please get in touch with me. So that would be great. Um, long knife. So I, I only skimmed these questions, folks, and I've put everyone's questions in. Okay. So, uh, apologies if I've got a little bit of thinking time. I'll let out any massive pauses, right? But I'm reading these largely for the first time. Long knife said, what's the wildest off the record thing you heard this year via your various contacts that you might actually think be true about UFOs? Um, okay. So I had to cut out some thinking time there and I want this to be authentic folks. So I've, I genuinely have just sat and thought about that one. Um, so I will say, and again, I'm not going to be a dick about this and be all coy and secretive, but I'm not going to name names, but I suppose the idea that, um, there are people who operate within the UFO space that would be thought of as bigger names that other bigger names can, while they trust some of the work they've done and they, they aren't calling them untrustworthy, but they've been described as perhaps sloppy. Um, and I think there's, uh, yeah. So people have described others as a bit sloppy, um, heart in the right place in, in most ways, but yeah, they can make mistakes. And I think I've tried to touch on that in various places that there's an element in this topic where people aren't allowed to make mistakes and people's credibility is completely out the window, almost a UFO cancel culture. Um, and I don't think that's completely fair because people do make mistakes, how they own up to those mistakes. I think for me personally, tells a lot about someone's character, um, and, and how much stock I put into them going forward. So yeah, I think for me, long knife, the fact that some, some guests who I would, I would, I say trust as much as I know them, um, would say that others aren't perfect. And I don't think that's, that's something we should expect anyway. Is it that people should be perfect, especially when it comes to this topic? Um, people are trying to do what they think is right, but you know, things change as the topic moves along. So yeah, thank you for that question. Hopefully that was a good enough answer for you without me being a dick and being all gossipy. Um, Algo says, there's one topic that gets little coverage on your podcast, yet it seems very consequential to me because it could lead to instant disclosure without having to call it such. I'm really interested in what this question goes on to say now, cause like I say, I've not read it properly. This is the topic of suppressed science. Interestingly, we did not have any scientists among the whistleblowers yet. If there was a program for 80 years, chances are some scientific breakthrough was made regarding materials, power sources, or propulsion of UAP. Not only had the program to keep its discovery secret, but the program had had to have prevent public science to replicate these discoveries independently. You would have to have deceived or coerced the global scientific community. That's a very hard feat to accomplish for decades without any leaks. A scientific discovery could be achieved or leaked and have a huge impact without having to tell the public that it was non-human source. Is there any guests that you can bring on your show to discuss this in 2026? Regardless, I'd like to thank you for a great 2025. Thank you very much, I'll go and thank you for all your contributions over the last couple of years to the podcast as well. Paid Up member, these are all YouTube and Patreon members, so thank you so much folks for your comments so far. I can't think of anyone immediately, but if people want to recommend guests like that, I'm really happy to entertain people. Once I do a little bit of vetting myself around generally the person and do I feel it's a right fit for me in the show, but I'm more than happy to reach out to different folks who haven't been on the podcast. I get your thoughts though around keeping this secret and I made some notes listening to Corbell and that. Over the last few days I've done a lot of driving up and down various parts of the UK for football games in Scotland and England and I've listened to a few different shows and yeah, it's an element of, I was listening to Corbell and Knapp on Weaponised reviewing the year and they were talking about that I'll find actually the thing, so I will of course cut this out. I'm so professional folks on this, like I say I've made, I was literally making notes with my voice as I went along. I might keep this in, you can literally hear what I sound like when I'm talking to myself for for so long on the podcast. Yeah, oh so yeah, it was Jeremy Corbell was talking about how he has heard from a lot of folks, we can replicate low performance but not high performance. So that idea that we can do bits of this but not all of it, so again to the idea that we're suppressing science, maybe it's that whole thing, we can reverse engineer a small part or something, we can create a triangle and using anti-gravity get it off the ground and fly it around but we can't fly it into space, we can't fly it to different galaxies or solar systems, we can't completely perform how we would like it to do or how we know the NHI can perform with it. So perhaps it's a case of either we don't completely know the science yet or when folks get to a point where science or a scientist has a breakthrough or something major, they get brought inside. National security folks, there you go, national security, threat narrative, we can't have you, Mr. Scientist, so we'll go with Mr. Algo, you're a scientist and just discovered some new form of propulsion or you're on the verge of discovering it. You know, your approach, you're spoken to, we can't have this out here, it is not safe for the public to know this because China, because Russia, because North Korea, whoever else is going to get involved, is going to get their hands on it. We don't want enemies or, you know, our allies just yet knowing about this. You're brought inside or are you disappeared? You know, I would hope not, that's not the case. But yeah, I wonder as the idea you can scare scientists into this. So I don't see how it would be entirely impossible to keep things like that at bay. And we've seen videos over the years, haven't we, that have leaked online of people managing to crack anti-gravity, people managing to do different things scientifically that look really freaky, pulling electricity out of thin air. And the video goes viral on YouTube or people find it online and then the guy hasn't heard about it for years or just goes away. But yeah, but yeah, interesting one. But suppress science, if anyone has any ideas on that, give me a shout. Again, more than happy for guest suggestions. I always love when people get in touch and recommend different guests. Daniel says, given the festive time of year, we've just missed it by a week or so, but you know, I love it. I wonder if our alien friends also have celebratory rituals they follow like we do. I feel no one is asking enough about who they are, what our cultures may be like and impact that has on us when we finally get full acknowledgement they are here or they reveal themselves on humanity. Do you think they'd be fans of Christmas pudding? Daniel, I'm not a fan of that. So yeah, but I do love that concept, that conversation. And I think that's a great one to have on the podcast down the line. Dan's going to be back on soon. And those kind of conversations I really enjoy. That speculative, you know, and I've used this example before, so apologies folks, but the idea that, you know, the US president, whoever it may be in the future or now if it was Trump, takes an alien out of a spacecraft and stands on a White House lawn and with Rubio and co has the big announcement, you know, we are not alone. Here's, here's this species. You know, from there, the questions don't end, they begin. And I've had people ask me, you know, if you got disclosure, would you stop the podcast? Well, absolutely not. That would be the time things would take off so much in terms of the questioning around it. Where are they from? What do they do? What are they like? What's the intent? Are there other species like them? Are there other species they know of that are malevolent, benevolent? You know, is there a malicious aspect to what they do? How do those initial days, weeks, months and years go? Is there an assimilation into our society? Do they send, you know, a convoy or envoy of ambassadors from Earth over to their place, wherever that may be, if we can even go there? What does all of that look like? And I think there's a fascinating whole conversation around that that would be great for maybe a roundtable, Daniel, perhaps. So yeah, really great question. I, again, I always like to think of, you know, when they fly these craft here, are these craft as common as cars are to us? Are they coming from a place that has billions or hundreds of millions or millions of people or their species? From that point, sorry, I'm just going to mute my PC, folks. Very casual recording here. From that point, you get to their planet. Is it the fact they have a limited number of these craft? Remember the three-body problem? Spoiler alert, folks, but the idea that the species, and I forget their names, from their planet, they were running low on resources, weren't they? And I'm getting all the TV shows mixed up now. And they sent like an atom, like a supercharged AI computer to Earth. And it was like the last of their resources they could spare to come here to try and save themselves. We don't know if some of these craft coming here are really, really sparing. Maybe they are one and done. Maybe they're disposable. Maybe they need them back. Maybe, you know, who knows? Maybe they're explorers who stole a craft and went off into the galaxy. But how does that land on their planet? Are they like us? Are they spacefaring? Is it rare and unique that they go out and explore? Or is it common? Is it normal? Yeah, loads to... I could sit and speculate all day on that. But I'd love to go back and forward with some folks. So yeah, great question. And definitely one, Daniel. If you want to follow up with some specifics on that, I'd love to dive into those in more detail. So, Human Neutrino. Really simple. And again, thank you, Human Neutrino and everyone else for sending in all the questions you have over the last year. Do you think we are any closer to capital D disclosure? Capital D disclosure. In a way, I think we are. Listen to Andy flip-flop here. I'm talking about myself in a third person. I think there are some ways where we are on the precipice of something. But I think with that, with great power comes great responsibility, as someone once said famously. I also think we're on the verge of major pushback. And we're hearing from George Knapp that there is some major stuff coming down the pipeline for Congress to really try and dissuade them off of the UFO topic. And I think that's going to be coming, it sounds like, sooner than later. But Knapp and Co feel confident they can bat that away. So yeah, while I think we're close to something, and I'm not saying we're going to get capital D disclosure, but I feel we're on the verge of a public interest that we've not had yet. And I think we need that before we get that disclosure level. And I'm thinking out loud here, we get that capital D disclosure. We need more of a public interest or an acceptance or a readiness for this, because the question has certainly moved on. And I was thinking about this on the car drive the other day. The question is no longer, especially if you take this, and I can't, maybe not from the UK, but from the US point of view, in the mainstream media, the question isn't any longer, is this real? I think in the mainstream media in the States, the question is, what is this? In the UK, I would say people still largely in the mainstream, the press, the media, the public, is this real, is a very valid question to people in the UK. But in the US, it seems to me it's shifted to what is this? And that's, that's real progress. And I think if you, if you really want to be, be detail orientated, or even look at this positively, that, that is real capital P progress, you know, that people are ready to ask, you know, what is this? Okay, there's something there. I'm not saying it's aliens, but what is it? Whereas before it was all nonsense. It was bollocks, as we say here. So yeah, I don't think we're closer to capital D disclosure exactly, but I think we're closer to something, but there's more resistance coming back on that as well. You know, when you sit with two magnets as a kid, and you try and push them together, and they have that opposing force. I think we're trying to push the magnets together, but something's in the middle, they're still just sliding it away each time. Yeah, interesting. Christy says, be prepared. What if the NHI wants to skip the UN and finally introduce themselves to an interview on that UFO podcast? What is your first question? Oh shit. Oh, so given I'm thinking out loud on this, can I be really, I am going to be cheeky Christy and give you a few first questions. So I'd like to know how they discovered us. I'd like to know, you know, in a few words, give us their brief overview, their history. And I'd like to know what they know about other species out there in the universe. And I, you know, I always think that's so cheeky that one of my first questions to any alien species would be, are there others? It's almost like greedy, isn't it? You know, you know, that's just society in 2025, but I'd be asking, oh, that's fascinating. Hi, you little gray thing. Is there any more like you out there? Like not you specifically, but a different species and just no more. And then I think you'd go down the route of, you know, the good, the bad, are we in any danger? How can you help us? How can we help you? Um, cause that's something I don't think is often thought about enough. And to go back to that disclosure question previously too, and the question before, there's always this thing about another race being so technologically advanced that we're going to get all the benefit from it. But again, if you've never seen the film District 9, incredible movie, Neil Blomkamp, great movie, Shalto Copley stars in it. And the idea, if you've not seen it, folks, I know I speak about this quite often, but that an alien species comes to earth and it lands over the suburbs or the slums of Johannesburg, South Africa. It's not over Paris, not over New York, not over LA, not over Hong Kong. It's the slums and the aliens themselves are in a huge technologically advanced craft, but they're also refugees. They're suffering from illness, sickness, they're, they're low in resources, they're low in food, and they have to assimilate into our society. And we treat them like shit. You know, we call them prawns because of how they look and it's derisory, it's derogatory. And the, the main character is kind of like a social worker going through the, the admin process of all of this brilliant movie, wonderful idea, gets you thinking differently. I really like that about District 9. Um, but then for me, there's that whole concept of, you know, we, we can help them. We don't necessarily help them that well, but you know, we could help them. There's an illness, a sickness, and there's a sharing of technology. How could we help them and could they help us? So yeah, those kinds of questions for me, Christy. Um, yeah, I would, that's a good idea for another one of these shows. I think in the coming weeks, what would your first question be to an NHI? I'll give you three. What would your first three questions be to an NHI? And try to think a little bit outside the box folks on YouTube, leave a comment or just get in touch with me. If you're on the audio platforms, that would be awesome. Sound FX says, I've had a little wine and bear in mind, I asked this just before Christmas, but that's, so that's totally fair, but there's something I've wondered about for years. What's with the colored lights on UFOs UAP? Of course, part of the technology, technology, but can we speculate why? So yeah, this is something that comes up quite often, isn't it? That why the colored lights, if they're trying to hide. So maybe they're not trying to hide. Maybe the lights are just an element of the propulsion system. Maybe the light is a by-product. I think that's unlikely, but maybe as a by-product of, of what it's doing. Um, perhaps it's scanning. Maybe, maybe they're trying to communicate, you know, thinking back to independence day and that scene that goes really badly wrong. When we send up the object, the helicopter to communicate with the alien craft and it gets blown out the sky with using the light patterns and flashes. Maybe some of these things are there and it's giving us a basic pattern, really simple communication, and we just don't pick up on it. Maybe, maybe it's as simple as that. Um, there are some, some cool other ideas that I can't remember. It's been some time since I discussed it and I can't even remember what guest it was, but the idea around why these objects have lights. But for me, they're not hiding. That's why you have different types of objects because black triangles tend to either have solitary lights and they're not always on. They can almost look like they're moving against a black sky and the stars disappear when they're moving overhead. Um, so yeah, really interesting one. Why the lights? Again, we'd love to know people's thoughts on that. For me, it's either that or a distraction because you're, you're looking at this object in the sky and these lights are flashing. So for me, it's really obvious or the most obvious answer would be it wants you to look at it, but what does it not want you to look at? Is there something else going on in the surrounding area nearby? Is it a distraction where I'm looking at this, but something else is going on over here? Almost a magician's sleight of hand. You know, the trickster element Jacques Vallée talks about in a sense. So yeah, perhaps for me, it's, it's a distraction in a way, not always in a bad way. Um, so yeah, good question. Thank you. Mellie says, Andy, do you think Trump will actually stand up and give official disclosure, hopefully with evidence or is it not up to him? Like he slipped up in, in the interview. Um, listen, you always have to caveat a conversation with Trump on this podcast by saying politics aside. Um, I don't particularly care about a lot of politics, to be honest. When it comes to UFOs and disclosure, Trump's had his chance. He's not done it yet. I don't think he intends on doing it unless he has to, um, as a distraction or there's a reason to do so. If he gets wind, another country's going to do it first. Maybe it's as simple as that. Maybe we've got this idea on the surface that, you know, the U S is one country and let's just use the superpowers, the U S, Russia, China. On the surface, you've got Putin, Xi Jinping. I hope I'm saying that right. And Donald Trump, they run those countries. You've got the different infrastructures within those as well. But in the background, you've got your, your star generals. You've got your, your folks who have been in there for 20, 30 years and different positions of power. Maybe those are the folks in the background who are making those types of decisions and calls that do speak to each other, that while they are adversaries, whether they're against each other, they still pick up a phone, they still meet and they still talk about issues like this that are almost bigger than the kind of geopolitics, the petty politics that goes on across the world on a daily basis. So maybe that's what he means when he says it's not up to him. I, I don't think it is down to one person to decide on a day. They wake up one morning and think, do you know what? Today's disclosure day, unless you're Steven Spielberg. You know, I don't see that Trump wakes up and just decides to do that one day. I don't think that would be the case. I think it's something that would have to be arranged in a meeting. A process would have to have been gone through or the other way this happens is a mass sighting, a daytime mass sighting, something akin to a Phoenix Lights event over an NFL game, over a massive football game. I know someone commented, perhaps it would be a, over like a, the World Cup in 2026 is in the US, Mexico and Canada. Looking forward to that. Not happy about the kickoff times because in the UK it's like early morning and my little boy is desperate to stay up and watch them. However, perhaps that would be a great place to showcase an alien craft. And that, and that's, you know, situation. Trump has to come out and make a statement. So does Putin and everyone else in the world who leads a country. They have to come out and make a statement. So yeah, I don't know if it is just up to one world leader to make that call. I think it's bigger than that, to be honest. And we all know Trump likes to talk and isn't easy to control, I don't think, in that sense. So if he wanted to, he would have done so, or at least would have hinted a lot more at it, I feel. Mark asked, should all of the 13 anomalies listed by Aviloeb for 3i Atlas be explained by natural origins before scientists call it a comet? Keeping in mind that these anomalies all come from credible data. Now, listen, I made some notes on this one. So I'm going to go to my, I've got a MacBook I record on and a PC next to me, different platforms in case one breaks as it happened in the past. So interestingly, folks on this one, where's my notes? Where's my notes? I was listening to Bryce Zabel and Richard Dolan talk about this and I'll bring up some of the points they made as well. I'll be really clear about where I land on this one because nuance gets lost really fast in this space. I'm ultimately and always have been on the side that this object is and was a comet, not alien technology, not an artificial probe, almost definitely a comet of some kind. That said, the conversation around it was still worth having. Bear in mind, the object is now gone. It's going away from us. It didn't turn towards Earth like some of the UFO podcasters and YouTube shock jocks are trying to tell us the object is going away. Maybe it turns around and performs a U-turn. But yeah, so all those folks that put out months of content telling us this thing was something it wasn't or doing something it wasn't. Thank you for that. Not my bag. If it's your bag for that kind of BS, great. You know, I'm sure I say some BS sometimes, but that stuff really annoyed me. You've probably heard that enough, folks. So Avi Loeb highlighted a list of anomalies. He's not inventing data like you say. He's using in real credible data, raising questions about classifications. Isn't the same thing as him shouting alien. But I think there was a nuance that got left from that conversation. I'm not saying Avi courted the mainstream attention and but he certainly entertained the conversation. And I don't think it was always framed by the presenters, the hosts, or the folks who are using it for clicks and engagement in the right way. Because Avi very often made the comments that, you know, this is more than likely something interstellar that is prosaic, a comet, something like that. But we should be curious. We should be interested. And that was that that got lost along the way as things got more and more sensationalized. So I was listening to Dolan and Bryce Sable talk about this and how the narrative was effectively hijacked, not in a malicious way. Because once something touches UFO media circles, it does it does change. Unusual comet with unresolved questions doesn't perform well on a YouTube click. But you know, possible alien object and a thumbnail with a shocked face obviously does. What followed was a narrative acceleration. The focus then shifted away from how science deals with uncertainty. And that was my big thing that scientists should have been all over this. What an incredible chance to perform some science on the third interstellar object. And something I learned from listening to Bryce Sable was actually, so I knew that the three was because it's the third and the I was interstellar object. But the ATLAS actually stands for its same asteroid last alert system. And I was like, ah, I didn't know that. So that's that was the system used for bringing this object and for detecting this object. So really interesting. But the reality is it was likely a comet, but a really weird one. But we've not been able to study many of these interstellar visitors at all. This is the one we've been able to see for the longest and known about for the longest time because of when it was detected. But the science, the science on it wasn't done. And there seemed a real lack of the science wanting to be done. But I suppose there's the issue for me. So I'm disappointed with the UFO shock jocks who just wanted clicks. And it's detrimental to the UFO topic. This subject is fascinating enough. There's enough incredible data, enough incredible testimony, enough amazing things to really put it shittily for me and the UFO world for this topic to really blow up eventually for the mainstream and for the public to get on board and scientists and academics to get on board. This, this didn't help because all it done was show science, Christ, they will jump on anything, won't they? But then it pushed them away, rightly or wrongly from, from getting involved in this at all. And I think a lot of scientists really disappointingly, they, they, they made, made a conclusion without any evidence themselves. So of course, not saying it's a UFO, but what we're saying is this is something that could be really interesting. We could learn something here. What if one day one of these five eye atlas comes in, 25 eye atlas comes in and as something interesting or unique or incredibly anomalous that does make some strange manoeuvres that does turn towards us, are you not going to care then? Are you not going to be interested then? We're not going to be ready for it. The technology will not be ready for it. That's what disappointed me, Mark, in all of this. So, um, it wasn't a coverup story for me, folks. I'm really sorry to tell you that was my opinion, but it was a cautionary tale about what happens when uncertainty meets the internet. So yeah, um, good question though. Really appreciate that one, Mark. And the eye atlas has now gone and is off into the distance. Maybe it was an interstellar tourist bus and they're all clicking pictures of us in the distance, but I don't think so. Um, Rob, over to Rob, uh, final listener question. And then I've got some, um, some comments from you about moving the needle that I asked about. So thank you folks. So Rob asked, hi Andy, a successful year for the podcast. I'd say well done for all your hard work. It's good to see it gaining traction. Also congrats on the uncanny episode you were in and they're another favorite of mine. So yeah, thank you, Rob for that. And if you've not heard me on uncanny or you found me from uncanny, I was on the Terry Lovelace episode as the quote unquote UFO expert. So thank you to Danny Robbins for having me on there. So cheers for that, mate. He says for the AMA, my question is is this, this is more of a what if in the event of any reasonable disclosure that banishes stigma for good and puts the reality of NHI into people's minds. Do you think your audience levels and thus workload will increase to the point where you'll have no choice, but to become a full-time shed occupant? Um, I didn't realize that was that question was going to go, mate. Um, I hope this year that if my day job, I get to leave that, um, because this really is my full-time job now, as it is folks, believe it or not. Um, yeah, I, I want to do more. I have a list of shows of like five pages long on our document that I want to do that I've been curating for a couple of years. And that's aside from news updates, interviews, and all the other stuff that comes along as well. Um, yeah. So for me, that would be great. Honestly, folks, and I'll just say this really quickly, all of you supporting on Patreon, on Apple by signing up and paying on YouTube, paying for a membership, all makes a huge difference. And this is now a full-time job for me. Um, so if I can send my kids to, um, football classes, if I can buy the groceries, if I can put fuel in the car because I'm doing this podcast and you enjoy it and you learn something and you're paying and you're happy to do so, then thank you so much. If you're on the free podcasts and you hear the adverts, just letting the adverts play for 30 seconds or a minute makes a huge difference when everyone does that. Um, so yeah, so again, if you enjoy the content, I am currently holding my hand up here and it's absolutely freezing. The other one is under the heated blanket. Um, I enjoy this. I do, but it's become a full-time job, but one I love, one I love to do. Um, and like I say, what I've been doing for six years come me. So yeah, if we get full on disclosure, maybe I can become the UFO or one. No God, that sounds really big headed. The UFO Joe Rogan. There's far more qualified people than me, but maybe more people get involved, more people enjoy it. I've been really lucky, you know, with the book and all the, the, the opportunities I've had. Um, and I hope other people get to sharing those opportunities too. So yeah, thanks for that. But listen, um, folks, uh, I'll play some adverts here. So if you want to listen to those adverts, if you're on the free feeds, please do. So it does make a difference. It's like not 0.001 cents or something I get per advert, but when you all do it, it makes a big, big difference. So thank you. If you're on the paid platforms, you don't hear any adverts and thank you for that. You'll just hear the show continuing on. With that then folks, here we are. What will move the needle? So 2025 was a year where again, at the start of every year, you get a lot of folks commenting, this is the year for blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There was so much happened in 2025. I covered a lot of that with Dan. If you haven't listened to the breakdown yet, it came out over new year. Um, you might've been busy, you're off work. Now you're back at work, folks. Sorry to remind people that, you know, we're back to day jobs and back to normal life. But you know, if, if you've not listened to that, go back and watch it. We covered so much ground and we still missed a lot of stuff off. If there's stuff you want us to cover on the next one, we're going to follow up on that soon. Let me know. But a lot happened, but it still didn't move the needle for the public to be all over this topic. Age of disclosure was, was big, but from a social media perspective, but a lot of things can disappointingly be big from a social media perspective. So yeah, I've asked you what this year will move the needle. So let me run through your comments. Thank you to everyone who got involved. If I don't read these out, I'll read out your comment, please get in touch and I'll read it out on the next one. Or if you want to get involved, send it over for me. So I'll read through these folks and I'll comment on some of them as well. Sarah Crout says, people are just so jaded, distracted and wary of misinformation, disinformation and hoaxes. I don't think anything will move the needle except for direct contact with the NHI themselves. You know, perhaps, um, I get that. I totally get that Sarah Crout. Um, cool name by the way. I think there are things that will move the needle, the needle. Oh God, fucking accent. The needle folks. Um, for me again, a basic one, but if the James Webb telescope picks up signs of life on another planet, I think that in a massive way gets people involved in this topic and the what ifs and the might bes and the research, because if you find something way over there, maybe there's something here. And I think we just need something. I, I, I, I'm quite proud of this analogy, folks. I think for the public right now, it's like being in a dark room where you can make out the wallpaper and you can make out some, some furnishings around the room. You can see the light from a window, but it's so dark and your eyes haven't adjusted yet. And you're searching around for the light switch. And for so many decades now, perhaps the public's been searching for the light switch. Maybe they've stopped searching for the light switch because their eyes got used to the dark and they can see enough. And that's enough for them to live their daily lives knowing there's a room there, there's some furnishings and they can see the pattern on the walls. But do you know what? Maybe one day for some reason we stumble across that light switch and it gets flicked on. And in an instant, the room becomes clearer. You see things around you, you didn't know were there. You realize perhaps the carpet you were walking on was a rug. And at the end of the rug, there's some hardwood flooring. You start to see there are unique patterns on the ceiling. You start to see actually there's a door that wasn't even there. You didn't realize was there. Where does the door go to? That room that you've been so used to and so familiar with that you've stumbled around in in the dark for so many decades is suddenly more than just a room. And it's a starting place. So yeah, I think there's a chance that, you know, something like the James Webb telescope could play a big part in us finding that light switch. Yeah. Tapadat kept it simple saying feels like this is the year of AI. I think absolutely it could be in some good ways and some fucking awful ways. Pardon my French. Um, I use AI folks. I use chat GPT, um, for spell checking, grammar checking. I use it sometimes for formatting stuff. If I have tons of questions, if I've got a script, I'll sometimes ask it to run through to check for like duplications, things like that. It can be really useful, but it's not perfect. I don't use it to write my full shows. I don't use it to, to go through and reward the stuff. I like it to do really menial tasks that save me time. That's what I like using AI for. Um, I don't like some of the stuff people do use it for though, where, well, nah, I won't go into it too much, but we're seeing a lot of fake videos online. And I suppose from my parents' point of view, I'm seeing my kids watch lots of stuff on YouTube and they're watching bullshit videos and I'm having to tell them that's not real. Um, I'm on, I'm on pages, for example, where I've got a border terrier dog and I've had to leave some of the Facebook pages because they're getting loads of AI posts and it's, you can, I can spot the basic AI stuff, you know, the overuse of M dashes, the same vague generic posts, the picture looking a bit fake, the same picture being posted, um, things wrong in the background, you know, but it's got a detail wrong. So yeah, I think AI is here to stay. I think it's got some good points. I think it's got some bad points and we're going to have to learn to live with it and just learn to be, you know, suspicious of it in a good way. Um, Fred and Fred, thank you so much for your contributions over on Patreon, of course, and that goes for everyone. I suspect that if and when the general public is actually moved to demand answers, it will be a moot point. In other words, some event has occurred, which removes all speculation and renders a demand for government to answer questions meaningless. We can have a million more eye witnesses of the first, second and third order to make whatever statements they want in front of a powerless congressional committee and nothing will happen, which is all by design. I suspect that whatever powers that be that actually have the information know for a fact that it's simply too much for the general public to handle, which is very likely the case. So although this is fun drama to some to try push a boulder up a mountain, which can certainly sell books, thanks, um, the adult in the room is telling us, yeah, that's not going to happen. In the meantime, I was trying, I was all trying to maximise, oh, I wish all trying to maximise the revenues and notoriety possible from this drama, all the luck in the world. And for those who are consumed by all the antics and titillating headlines, you may want to pump the brakes a bit and keep taking a deep breath of fresh air. There are likely other things in your life which would benefit more from your time and attention. Until then, peace out. Yeah, Fred, you know what, I get that's a very drab way for some to look at it, sombre, some might say, but it's not totally unfair. Um, I, I, I get your point that, you know, an event has occurred that renders all speculation and, you know, government answers meaningless. I don't think, for example, when we get some kind of official event or confirmation, there's going to be a huge outcry for, for trials to happen, for people covering things up since, no, no, that won't happen. Those people who covered things up since Roswell will get away with it, largely, um, because the public will have different questions and priorities will take over from that point. And if you're going to be in the UFO community shouting about cover-ups, the public won't care. They just won't care because there's a new reality to deal with. Um, like, I'm trying to think of a good example for it in a way that, you know, the public know that a lot of the things that put together your phone, for example, are, are gotten through either child labour, which is horrible, or people being underpaid, um, under-resourced, overworked, um, and yet we still buy them. You know, chicken nuggets aren't made in the nicest way, but people still buy them and eat them. You know, that is, that the reality is what it is. So, yeah, I, I can get your way of thinking, Fred, but, you know, I don't think it's all, all is doing gloom as that, to be honest. And, of course, buy my book. Um, sorry, Fred. Liam says, it's a tough question, Andy. Uh, and again, remember, folks, the question here is what will move the needle? Fucking hell, why did I pick that phrase? It's a tough question, and the more I get deep into the UFO subject, the more it keeps slipping away. It's confusing with so much drama and conflicting information. I kind of like the work Kelly and Jay are doing from Cosmosis, just stepping away from the hype and focusing on the phenomenon and people's personal experiences. But to answer your question, I think we won't get to the truth until they decide to give it to us. Public pressure helps, but it's nothing they haven't seen before. I've been reading Jacques Vallée journals, and you really do realise we have been here before. That's, that's a fair point. There seems to be a bit more of a collective consciousness of people wanting to know the truth this time, but I'm not sure that that will sway the truth keepers. I think we can all agree, though, that there is something weird about the UFO phenomenon that doesn't quite make sense. So many convincing stories, yet no tangible proof or no tangible revelation from the phenomenon itself to the world. That's what intrigues us all. I think one question, it's one big question mark, and the UFO subject might just be part of something much bigger. Yeah, I agree with, especially with that last part. I do agree we've been here before in a lot of ways. I think social media and the connection we all have to each other now and the instant information access we have is the big difference maker. And I don't know what way that's going to go, because that can also be used against us. The one big question mark and the UFO subject being part of something bigger. 100% on board with that. I completely agree. I just done a bonus review, folks. And again, it was over New Year of the American Sasquatch documentary. Go and check it out. It's a fun documentary. But there's a lot of really interesting correlations with the UFO topic as part of that. It's on audio, it's on video. So yeah, go and check out my thoughts on there. And I do correlate a lot back and forward between both topics. But then you start to look at, you know, what about mediumship, the spiritual side of the world, ghosts, the paranormal, Ouija boards, all that kind of stuff. Does it all tie in in a really weird way? I know a lot of folks get in touch with me saying, yes, it does. There is such a correlation between the UFO topic. And you know, what you call the paranormal, it's just the normal we don't understand yet. Joni says, we need to be proud of our crazy interest, well informed and armed with the sources and references for all eventualities. I do believe we need to be the ones to stick our necks out. When we do this, the momentum changes. Reality is not what it seems. And it's very important for people to know this because it's not a benign deception. It was a mixed bag for me at Christmas. My niece is aggressively anti-conspiracy theory. My nephew had found all sorts of interesting ancient archaeology on TikTok. He's the really bright one though. So yeah, I get that Joni and I like that take. And it's the more positive side of it. And I put both positive and negative thoughts in here, folks, because it's fair and it's a real representation of what everyone thinks. Everyone commenting here is a listener or a viewer of this podcast. Many of you paid up members. So you have a vested interest in what I do. And thank you for that. But also just the UFO topic in general. So that's a real mix of theories and thoughts. And I think we need all of that. And I agree that we have to be well-informed and well-armed. I think for me, the most open thing you can do to really help with this topic though, is be able to listen to all kinds of opinions. Agree, disagree, but ultimately say, I don't know. And be comfortable saying, I don't know. For me, that is a, hmm, I don't know. It's such a regular occurrence for me across life. But I'm really comfortable with that. And it helps me take things on board and think about it more and more. Chris says, when a politician or celebrity does something controversial, the mainstream media are all over it like a pack of wolves. Until that happens, this subject is too easy to be passed over as fringe. People with good credentials have made incredible claims, but the media doesn't follow up with in-depth questioning and investigation. Therefore, the general population can safely ignore it and move on. Also, the subject seems so fractured with so many people convinced of their own opinions that anyone looking into it seriously has to commit more than a little idle curiosity. Whole lifetimes are invested in research and nobody has any answers, at least that they're willing to share. Maybe it's all a bit too weird for most people to get their heads around anyway. Maybe disclosure happens one person at a time, so it takes a really long time. Yeah, perhaps, Chris, some really interesting thinking there. I agree with that idea of the mainstream media. It still seems too easy to be a throwaway segment. Even some of the better, well-done segments were, especially these clips with hosts of major shows in the United States, where they almost seem surprised at how much they're buying into this now and the questions and the answers, but then it's okay and our next story. They move on. They don't follow up days and days and days and days worth of material on this topic. I think in terms of the United States, I don't think I'm wrong here, but the biggest channel and the biggest follow-up on this topic in the mainstream has been News Nation, and that's largely through Ross Coulter and the work he's done, and that they have given Ross a platform to deal with this topic on a weekly basis, an ongoing basis, because they see the views and the clicks this topic gets when it's done well. So yeah, I think it is very weird, and I think that is difficult for us all to get our heads around. Maybe disclosure does happen one person at a time. Maybe that time is, you know, when you leave this world and go to the next. Maybe that's when you get the answers, but I don't know. Well, we're getting there. We're getting there. We've made progress, folks. A few more thoughts to finish off on. Joe says, difficult to move the needle when those who wish to whistleblow are tied by NDAs. Maybe if Trump uses executive authority to declassify information or giving whistleblowers more protection. Hear, hear, Joe. We do need those whistleblower protections. Ultimately, there needs to be physical evidence and not just someone's verbal information. Mind you, non-human entities, if they exist, clearly don't want to interact with humans, probably because we are an aggressive species. Thinking about that, Joe, we do the same. There are places on this planet that right now you would not want to go as a human being to visit other human beings because of how they would react to you, how they would treat you. And even if you look at it, there are places on this planet where a relatively civilized and modern society would treat you really badly if you went there. But also, there are human populations on this planet, for example, tribes in the Amazon who live in such a way that you're turning up dressed the way you do, wearing clothes, having a mobile phone, speaking how you do, looking the way you do, you'd be killed immediately, speared to death, blow darts to death. You know, we heard about those kind of missionaries, the Christian missionaries that go and try and make contact with these tribes that do not want contact with the outside world. And that's human on human. And that's before we go into the wars and the genocides and, you know, what happens in Africa and various different continents. It's awful. So why wouldn't an NHI behave in similar ways? Just being more technologically advanced doesn't always mean you're far more morally advanced. And if anything, they may see us as a lesser species because of how we treat each other. Yeah, and we are. We are an aggressive species. Paul says, thinking outside the box with the new Steven Spielberg Disclosure Day movie coming out, I'm wondering if this could spike an interest in the subject from public in general. I wonder if there could be some kind of tie-in with the age of disclosure? Being available free by then or even tagged on a double bill in some theatres given that Dan Farah and Spielberg worked together before. The more people we have wanting answers, the better. I think the age of disclosure, folks, I like the idea of it being free. It was too dry to put in theatres and expect a general public to go along. That's just my opinion. It was far too dry. I know it performed well. I keep hearing this and I'm really glad of that. I still don't think we're giving the UFO community that listen and watch this and beyond enough credit for being the ones who went spent the money on that. I spent the 20 quid or 18 quid, whatever it was, on it. So I think largely the UFO community funded that drive to number one. That's just me. It was hype. There was a machine behind it. It was the biggest documentary of its kind. I'm not saying the best. I still think James Fox's work is far better. I think the players involved and the potential to have all of those folks in one place saying what they were saying was really enticing for people to hear. Even after we knew it debuted at South by Southwest and folks got in touch with me who had been there and said it was good. But yeah, we heard this stuff before. So yeah, again, I'll keep repeating the social media impact of age of disclosure was the big thing. In terms of disclosure day, let's see what the next trailer looks like. I'm really intrigued to see if we get an angle and we should with the next trailer get probably like a three minute long trailer with a little bit more narrative and story as part of it. I hope they keep a lot of the movie under wraps for the release and I actually want to be surprised going into a film. It doesn't happen enough these days, but I'd like to see a little bit of where the movie's going. That could be really, really intriguing, I think. Again, last few folks here. Oh, actually, no. Oh God, I've got quite a few more. So I'll fly through these last ones, folks. Okay, because you'll be sick of me talking now. How long have I been going for? Um, God, nearly an hour and I thought this would be 20 minutes and I am incredibly cold. Kevin says, David Grush's biologicals coming to light would definitely upset the apple cart. Not just pictures or video, though. We need well verified DNA evidence of non-humans or hybrid beings. So yeah, the whole biologics conversation, that was something I really enjoyed hearing, um, Cor, not Corbell, uh, Dolan and Bryce Zabel bringing up too. There's an assumption that he meant bodies, but did he mean something else? Again, I would love to hear your thoughts, folks. YouTube comments below, you know, like, subscribe, do all that stuff, but also comment below, send me an email, use the contact form, thatufopodcast.com, forward slash contact. What did David Grush mean by biologics? Why didn't he just, why didn't he just say bodies? Why didn't he just say occupants? You know, it was an interesting term to use, but maybe one that he was just protecting himself. Josh said, a true whistleblower coming forward who is verified as being from the inside of the program, who reveals everything they know without government approval or government affiliation. We need the UFO version of Edward Snowden. That's asking a lot, I know. The risk to substantial personal safety, oh, the risk to personal safety and the legal repercussions certainly would be substantial, but until we can have someone willing to spill absolutely everything, I'm not sure we can expect to progress much further. Yeah, so really good point on that one, Josh. 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