Whistleblower “Grey” | Bloodline Families, Eclipse Rituals, Project Monarch, & The GATE Program Conspiracy

Hello, dear listeners. It's been at least a good year since I felt an interview would benefit from me saying something at the top, but this one is a bit unique. The vast majority of interviews I do are with researchers and authors, but this is one of the rare enough occasions where we have someone with a personal story claiming whistleblower status on things that are so deep that they're a little hard to vet. And so it's also one of the rare instances where we're not going to do the usual edit. But people know that around here we put a little extra effort into taking out the ums and ahs, you knows and pauses and the talking over each other and taking a second to find a resource, whatever it is. And it makes the show easier to listen to 90% of the time. But when you have a guest who has claims of ritual trauma and abuse in their childhood, being brought in to work in Project Monarch, and a few other things that are big claims, I think there are nuances that help listeners assess credibility that would be lost with our typical edit. He talks so fast it would be hard to do anyway, but there are certain things you might expect from someone making the claims he makes, and I just don't want to alter it and affect anyone's ability to make up their own mind organically. It wouldn't even need much, because he's a very fluid speaker, but I would be asking myself, how would I expect a person with some kind of extreme trauma to speak, or someone with military intelligence experience? Do they use the language and terminology of someone from that world? And several other things. It all contributes to trying to assess what you're about to get into. And that said, let's just get into it. The planet's puppet masters almost surely have a plan. There's clearly maybe something there beyond the realm of chested. You really do. Brace yourself, people. From the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood. And the more we learn about the research done into the brain, from mapping it and sending it inorganic signals in the lab, to sleep studies, and even cybernetics, the further back it seems to go, and the more the intention always seemed to be weaponization, mind control, and developing various behavior-altering techniques. As we know, MKUltra was a large umbrella, officially involving over 85 institutions and going back to at least the 1940s and the very foundations of the CIA, with offshoots like Project Bluebird, Artichoke, MKNaomi, and MKOfton. These programs utilized electroshock, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, involuntary drugging, verbal and sexual abuse, and other forms of torture that were sometimes even labeled as therapy. Some would even say that the seemingly less nefarious research into consciousness, remote viewing, astral travel, and altered states, was very much entwined with MKUltra and the overall goal of cracking the codes of the mental safe of man. Well, today is going to be quite a ride, as we're talking with a semi-anonymous whistleblower on such things, who says that due to being born into a well-connected family, he was put through many aspects of satanic ritual abuse, and more specifically, Saturnian necromancy, used in the infamous Project Monarch, and even prepared as a vessel for a Moonchild 2.0 type of ritual at a secret facility in the Andirondack Mountains. He had very little memory of his childhood until it all came back on and shortly after his 25th birthday, and through trying to understand his personal experiences better, it has led him to do some very high-level research on these sorts of programs in general, including the CIA-connected scouting done through the Gifted and Talented Education, or GATE, program that swept the nation through most of our childhoods. Disturbingly, now in the internet age, many people who were brought into these programs as children are forming online communities, sharing their stories, and realizing that having little to no memory of what went on in these programs is shockingly common. Our guest now works to educate the ignorant and find the others affected through the reporting database he created, OrganizeSafety.org, and he can be found on Twitter under Gray Area Monarch, as well as most of the other major platforms. This is definitely not one for the faint of heart, but let's get it going. The Monarch whistleblower, Saturnian necromancy survivor, and Crimes Against Humanity highlighter, Gray, welcome to the higher side. Thank you for having me. Yeah, man, this is going to be intense, and thanks for doing it. I happened to come across your Twitter profile and just sort of fell down your rabbit hole, and I really don't know what to think. Your personal story is super wild, and we could spend two hours just talking about that. But even if your personal story is too much for some people, you've compiled a huge amount of research and knowledge about these programs in general that doesn't even depend on your personal story because we have declassified documents, testimonies, and all sorts of evidence to go on. So I hope we can weave back and forth. And just to set this up, I want to give some of the bullet points to your story as I understand them in the interest of getting deeper into all this without you having to go over things you've talked about many times. So as the story goes, your grandfather was tapped by the OSS during World War II because he was a NASCAR mechanic and logger, a combination of skills that helped navigate difficult terrain in the Adirondacks where they have underground missile silos and other facilities. Following Paperclip and the start of MKUltra, he enrolled his own sons in the behavior modification and enhanced development programs, and eventually his grandchildren, including yourself. You were raised Jehovah's Witness because they have strict rules about interacting with others outside of the network. That's convenient for them. You had a family tragedy, which had you being raised by another family in the network of multi-generational morticians and Saturnian necromancers. There is trauma and conditioning along the way, but what's interesting is that you were intentionally born two weeks late, so your birthday would be May 10th, the same as your mother and grandmother. You were then prepared to be used in a ritual at one of these facilities in the Andirondack Mountains on your eighth birthday, May 10th, 1994, which many might remember as a big solar eclipse event. Man, I was in grade school. We made the boxes. It was a big thing. I have a memory of it. And it's also a strange fact that on this day, Jeffrey Dahmer was baptized in prison and John Wayne Gacy was executed, which you've suggested was strategically planned to try to draw down some being or energy that day through the eclipse. Also on May 7th, 1994, NASA's Clementine Probe, which was sent to map the moon, was lost and gone forever in an uncanny similarity to the song. We know NASA likes their rituals. And that was also probably most likely part of the eclipse ritual in some way. And I know I'm glossing over a lot of important context, but can we talk about this Moonchild 2.0 sacrificial divination ritual, as you call it? The Dresden Codex, Black Mountain, and the events of that day. What the hell happened there? Yeah, so, you know, people that are in these programs go through scripts, you know, and you'll hear some in the context of like Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, so on and so forth. And, you know, this doesn't mean that they're shown the movie and told it's a movie and just told lies. Like, you know, they will kind of be immersed in it almost as they are a part of it. And these scripts are tailored to them individually in an Ericksonian fashion, like Ericksonian hypnotherapy, where it will kind of be partially created by the subject and go along with their psyche. Because if you're trying to go against the grain, the person's going to be, you know, just refuting it and naturally pushing it away. And part of this is to, you know, really have them accept it and bond to it and anchor into their psyche. So in the manner of such, it was done to me, utilizing the birthdays that were generational and then kind of going into some of this known lore and ritual schedules that, for example, the Mayans used, which is the same practice from the Mayans, high-level Freemasonry, whether you're going back to Babylonian blasphemy or you're going to Egyptian mystery. It's kind of the same, kind of the same recipe. You might have different themed nomenclature, but it's the same thing. So, you know, as such, you know, in the Dresden Codex, which is kind of a well-known Mayan, you know, codex, right? Yeah, you say it's the oldest document from the pre-colonial Americas that we have. It's like a tablet of sorts, and it has hieroglyphs on it. It has rituals on it, divination calendars, and the location of rain gods. And this is called the Dresden Codex. And this event took place in Dresden County, New York, I understand. Odd synchronicity there. This, games with words and names is always in play, numbers as well. But, yeah, so this is an example of the network looking for an ancient document that contains magical information that they can utilize in modern times. And just for people who didn't know what the Dresden Codex was, there it is. But, yeah, sorry. Continue. Yes, exactly. And essentially, you know, what this was, it was more of the same. And, you know, people may have seen, like, Apocalypto or be roughly familiar with the mind sacrifices at the eclipse, right? Well, they'll have someone up on the pyramid, you know, and essentially, right, they're stabbing them in the heart, pulling out their heart. Things like this. Now, in reality, what I had experienced and what this is based on is the Abraham, perhaps if you go according to the satanic ritual abuse nomenclature, it would be the Abraham ritual. But what's really happening here is, you know, you have someone that's prepared, that has went through a series of near-death experiences that were induced when they were young to essentially get used to going out of body. Because if someone has one out-of-body experience or one near-death experience, it will kind of consume them and can be a lot. But, you know, some of these practitioners put themselves through this a series of times to get used to it so then they can navigate. So the idea behind this was through ritually-induced trauma, it was to force a near-death experience, an out-of-body experience at the eclipse. And, you know, a fun fact about the eclipse is in May 1919, Einstein's theory of general relativity was given credence because they could measurably note the displacement of stars around the eclipse. So there was some bending of space-time. So the idea behind this was essentially these civilizations, these entities, this consciousness, this energy is purported to actually bounce a signal from their location off the sun. And then it is essentially, you know, transferred through the properties of the solar eclipse quicker to receive. So an out-of-body near-death experience was forced through ritual trauma at this eclipse. And I was instructed to essentially what you would call astral project into the eclipse, which is something that people in these certain communities actually highly advise against astral projection during eclipses and so on and so forth. But so, you know, this happened and, you know, it was an experience. You know, it was a horrible and great experience at the same time. I mean, it's one of those things. But, yeah, so, you know, I don't know. What do you want to know about it? It happened and it was, you know, very interesting and intense. And, you know, essentially their, you know, purported goal was to use me as a conduit, you know, for communication with these entities that they purport to commune with. You know, and I like to say, whether people believe in this or not, you take a little kid, you know, some kids believe in Santa Claus. You know, if you raise a child and give him hallucinogens and essentially, you know, tell him that he's communing with spirits and getting instructions, you know, the placebo effect at the very least will take hold and you'll have a hell of a little kid on your hands, right? So, so, so anyways, yes, this event happened and out of body experience into the eclipse, some interesting contact that was traumatic and, you know, has taken the greater part of my life to, I think, unravel and, you know, understand the implications of, but nevertheless. Well, that is really the big question is what motivates them. A lot of times you can talk about abuse of children. Sometimes it is just a power dynamic. It is just a taboo pushing the limits of everything because you're a billionaire. And why the hell not? I'm going to exercise my power in the worst ways, just evil, depraved, psychopathic shit. But this seems like there was more of a intelligence motivation there. Like they're trying to gain knowledge from whatever this is that they're using you as a prepared vessel for. And I just think some of these other details are really interesting. The Jeffrey Dahmer thing, the John Wayne Gacy thing. That's legit. I mean, I looked it up. I don't know why they're taking one serial killer and baptizing him and another one and executing him on the same day of the eclipse. The NASA thing, Clementine. I mean, here you have a probe going to the moon. The moon is obviously involved in the eclipse. It goes lost. And it's like the damn song, Lost and Gone Forever, my darling Clementine. Yeah. There's just so much weird stuff going on. It does seem like it's all like a script. Yeah. So, I mean, and, you know, trauma bonding at these events aside, right? Yes, there's a script. And, you know, a lot of people would describe these ritualists as cosmic fishermen, if you will. And, you know, they know the exact place that they're fishing and they know the type of fish that they want to catch. These types of things are in text, in documents. That's why they're lured. And, you know, these cosmic fishermen, they may take a, you know, a bug, a worm. They may wrap certain twine on it and put, you know, a bug's wings on top of a worm and try to make it look like a certain lure to attract a certain fish. Well, you know, akin to that, you know, they were kind of crafting different elements here to attract the fish that they wanted, the big fish, right? And kind of put these things together as sort of a lure, if you will, in attempting to commune with, right, with the big fish, I guess, you know, as they see it. Yeah, I think that is a great analogy. Cosmic fishermen. Yeah, they might have a whole lot of knowledge about the waters that they're fishing in, but you got to get the fish to bite. And in this case, the fish is some arconic, cosmic, demonic energy out there, I guess. Shamash, right? You know, this eclipse, if you want to go to it, it's many different names across, you know, many different generations. But Adad and Shamash being kind of the ritual that we're dealing with, Shamash being comparable to sun face in the Mayan or Incan or, you know, whatever, you know, kind of theme. But which is kind of like, you know, the sun god, the sun face, things like this. That's what they're kind of reporting. And if I may, about Clementine. See, it's originally was called DSPSE, which is the Deep Space Program Science Experiment. And it was Livermore Laboratory, Naval Research Laboratory, BDMO, which that is the successor, not just NASA, BDMO. That is the successor to Star Wars program. And Star Wars is infamous for funneling black budget funds to other programs. And there was actually a big scandal over it once Cheney took office. And, you know, I'm not the first one to say things about the Star Wars program. For example, Paul Bonacci, who's known from the Franklin scandal and so on and so forth, has been quite outspoken about that Star Wars was essentially brainwashing children to be spies in Monarch with split personalities. And, you know, if basically they access sensitive information within that was, you know, partitioned off in their psyche right through the disassociation, compartmentalized, right, which is kind of the underlying reasoning for the dissociation and compartmentalization other than the conducive dissociative trance states. But so the kind of the kind of reasoning was if they access unauthorized information internally or disclose unauthorized information externally kind of triggers an automatic post-hypnotic suggestion that will cause one to kind of flash back with no context to some of these more out there elements. And then it will confuse their disclosure. For example, if I start talking about specific trafficking that was ran under, you know, intelligence agencies managed through the clandestine services. Right. And kind of like some of these black budget operations that are funding. And the next thing I'm talking about, aliens and eclipses, right, and communing with spirits, though, you know, it significantly muddies the water. So, you know, it's it's it works on many levels. Is there some reality to it? Perhaps. Do you think that going back all of this who do voodoo talk is is about nothing or is there perhaps a method to the madness? I mean, that's for people to decide. To me, it's irrelevant because I think it's indisputable at this point with the bulk of knowledge that's out there and the bulk of testimony that's kind of corroborating from sources that don't even know each other. So I think it's important to separate things here, you know, whether this is known or that's known, whether this is true or that's true. Well, perhaps an experience happened to deliberately muddy the waters, to deliberately confabulate or confuse the disclosure. Or perhaps there is actually something to it at the same time. And these people do commune with spirits. I mean, what's going back? Is it the same practices all the way going back to Babylonian times and before to Assyrian to Akkadian? And, you know, I mean, you know, it would seem so if you follow the different religions and different documents and kind of look at the commonalities over time. I think you'll think you'll find more than you, you know, may have even been looking for originally. Yes, true that. And what I like about your presentations is you often include old clips from like 60 Minutes or 2020 back in the 90s. And they're talking about some of this brain research. Obviously, they're not saying everything and it doesn't sound as nefarious on 60 Minutes. But they're telling people things that they didn't expect them to be able to piece together with the Internet. You know, in the Internet age, you can take those old clips. There wasn't even DVR yet. You know, imagine what you're able to compile now. You're like, no, they were doing this in the 80s because here's this clip from a mainstream news show. And you put it all together and it becomes quite clear. And I think that's an interesting aspect to what you've done and continue to do on your YouTube channel. But I've also heard you say that oftentimes what we call black magic is really just black neuroscience. And that's super interesting. Talk to us about some of this neuroscience as you understand it. Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's you can demystify. Essentially, we're talking about the highest order of unethical behavioral neuroscience applied. Right. You know, applied neuroscience. You know, it's just there's certain methods. You know, you break you got if you ring the bell when you're feeding the dog. Right. And then you feed the dog and eventually the dogs are salivating just when it's hearing the bell, knowing it's coming. It's conditioning, reinforcement conditions, stimuli response sequences. Well, it's the same thing with the child, unfortunately, and the younger, the better. And that's apart from the fact that some of this weird trauma will, you know, elicit what's known as dissociation, which is a mental defense. OK, that comes into play that kind of, you know, when there's no fight, there's no flight and you're just stuck, you know, fawning is not working, so on and so forth. You can really separate and go out of body. But at the same time, you know, there's specific ways to do this. And a lot of this, a lot of this dark magic, if you will, you know, for example, the lesser key of Solomon, these different seals, they're included in the recipe, if you will, is, you know, different stimuli, stimuli for each of the five senses, including like light and sound frequencies that are aligned to the same frequency. Is it to attract something or is it, I compare it to five pin master T-locks, right? Well, each of those five senses adjust the pin and different thing and unlocks a certain part of the mind and it kind of affects certain things. And like, just like with clinical hypnosis, if you get someone deep, deep, deep into a hypnotized state, they can be more suggestible. And you might be able to change some deeply ingrained habits, whether they want to stop smoking, right? Or you want to conquer a fear. Well, it's the same thing if you really break someone down and not just in clinical hypnosis, but through trauma and torture, get them in this disassociated state. Well, if you really deeply understand neuroscience, you might be able to, through the use of, you know, carefully crafted individualized scripts, Ericksonian style, that also, you know, kind of, you know, utilize, you know, neuro linguistic protocol, which is all tailored into these age old occult stories. That's what this is, you know, essentially, you can kind of have that master key to different areas of the brain and affect functioning. And just really, it's all about positive disintegration, which is just interrupting the brain's integration of a naturally developing child and just shattering it even further, just into pieces, which you then assemble carefully into a structure of, you know, perhaps your design. That's why they call themselves architects, because what they're doing is design. It's occult pathworking. And these true ritualists and these people that practice this age old, you know, some of this you won't even see in text. This is passed down akin to a visible college. And these stories and tales are told in a fashion that utilizes mnemonics, right? So you can even pass these down to a child and have them remembering. And at the same time, though, what's really happening is, you know, it's affecting development and occult pathworking into what the ultimate goal for these ritualists, these pedo cultists is what I call them, which is apotheosis. These people are looking to break themselves down and then build themselves up to become a god. They want to reach godhood. And just all these little parts, you know, they believe, hey, if I put myself through the worst, through the best, if I ultimately embarrass myself, if I ultimately descense myself with every single emotion, then I can master these emotions. Just like some people, if they have a near-death experience or out-of-body experience, it shakes them to the core. Well, these are the type of people that do this repeatedly to gain mastery over it and be able to handle themselves in all situations. And this is really why it goes hand-in-hand, even going way back to the dynasties of age old where they would have their seers. They would have this, you know. Essentially, these people are mastering elements of the human mind and spirit. And that's what they look to gain over this is mastery of oneself and faculties. And, you know, it goes hand-in-hand because, you know, if you have, say, a spy, once they reach adulthood, like, if they don't have any experience in the field, what are they going to do around, you know, a horrible scene with dead bodies? What are they going to do about, or if they have to, you know, get into some sick sexual thing that's not their preference as a means to an end in order to, you know, honeypot or gain access to an asset or pull those strings? So it's really like, you know, really introducing someone and initiating them with different aspects to condition them and to build them up so they can best conduct themselves and handle the situation. So it's just, it's really essentially conditioning and training. And again, on a deep, you know, neurological level to where, you know, there's no qualms here about unethical methods. It's all about the, you know, and justifying the means here. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And in your video, breaking down that May 10th event, you go into a lot of detail about the facility built in 1911, decommissioned in 88. It was active for 77 years. That seems like a significant number. It's on land that was gifted, I believe, from the grant was given from the queen. It's 88 acres of land. And this is up in, like, the Finger Lakes area. We hear a lot of weird stuff about the Finger Lakes. Mm-hmm. Talk to us about just the area in general, what you know about it. You've shown pictures of these silos. Sure, they had a purpose when people were scared of nuclear war, but they've been repurposed and used for other things, clearly. Talk to us about the area. Yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, the area is well-known. And, you know, as you mentioned, not the Black Mountain itself, although the Black Mountain is the seventh highest in the region, and it is on the oldest type of land in the world. So, like, that landmass for whatever is, like, some of the oldest, and I, you know, don't know exactly how they quantify that, but, like, going where it is, it's some of the oldest land. Like, we're talking about linked up on ley lines, so on and so forth. So, as you said, the land grant was actually from my next-door neighbors that I grew up to, which was a part of this order, all right? This nameless order that involved some people from the dragon societies that came in through Paperclip, but also some of these Jesuit Malta societies that, you know, came in through OSSCIA that my grandfather was linked up with. And so, the Van Dusens, right, had this place called 88 Acres that was the land grant from the queen. And it's, you know, there was also a botanical garden. And, you know, obviously, you know, they would have the nightshade, you know, harvesting for scopolamine, for example, which is a, you know, essential ingredient here. It is essentially like the zombie drug, if you're familiar with that, kind of like a mind-control drug in and of itself that is known for being used in South America to essentially give people to rob them. You can give them the right dosage, which you have to be very careful. But if you give them the right dosage, it essentially puts them in a trance where they're very suggestible. People get them to empty out their bank accounts, so on and so forth. It gives them horrible breath. That's why it's also known as devil's breath. But just the botanical gardens are known for harvesting all sorts of concoctions to make potions and what you will for some of this black magic and things like that. Another funny thing, though, is because, you know, my generational birthday came into play here. Well, the Van Dusens, who also run Van Dusens Botanical Garden in Canada, if I may, which is a huge place that was involved with MKUltra. But the Van Dusens, one of the family wrote a book called Astrogenetics, which is essentially talking about how yours and your parents' birthday affects your genetics and the outcome. And they know that, like, for example, you know, most bureaucrats are like Geminis, right? And don't quote me on that, but it's something like that. Like most professional athletes, you know, are this much and so on and so forth. So they really have the astrogenetics down to a science, literally. So it's not just astrology or anything like this, but they have it down to a science where they can really predict aspects of a person's personality and traits and genetics based on that. So it's funny that the Van Dusens put out the astrogenetics book, considering how the birthdays lined up and considering how the Van Dusen family was involved as well with this little cult. So, you know, some coincidence there, you know, make of it what you will. Yeah, man. And so we laid out that this was done because they wanted to gain insight from whatever this was. They're fishing in the cosmic waters. They've got this old Mayan text that kind of talks about the rituals and the location of their gods. You could see a scenario where if you are an occultist or you have all the resources in the world and you think the ancients had a better connection to spirits and gods, you would go on treasure hunts for these documents and then try to recreate the rituals that were described and just see what you get. Maybe you don't know. Who knows how many gods and spirits there really are? My understanding is they were trying to contact something dark. You think maybe Quetzalcoatl himself and instead it seems like they got something not so dark or you seem to interpret it in at least one area. I saw that it was a being of light. Did you get like the classic download experience was information given to you from this being that you then told to the people performing the ritual? What can you say about the content of the communication that happened there? So there was a very dualistic dichotomous occurrence here. So I will say, you know, I focus on the one side of it. And it's funny, you know, there's other survivors that have mentioned. I actually only know, I think, of one that really mentioned about a major event happening at Eclipse to where there was contact with the light. They kind of rebuked them. And this and this, I believe, was, I think, Jenny Hill, which I haven't even read her book, but 22 Faces of Jenny Hill. That was something way prior. But I believe she had outlined an experience that happened in Eclipse, too, where there was an interruption. But yeah, so essentially, you know, their belief. And again, you look at the mind and outlines all the different gods and stuff like this, just like the lesser key of Solomon, you know, has 72 seals of lesser demons. And then, you know, overseen by kind of like the lead, like Baal, right, and so on and so forth. But then you have Baal, which is just a name for Lord, but then also can be an individual name. And, you know, going through time, like, you know, like Hadad, Adad, Gadad, Ramon, you know, and then different things, different cultures in Greek. They would call it Zeus and Roman, Jupiter. And, you know, then there's even overlap with Saturn and so on and so forth. But so what really happened here, I mean, you know, they wanted me to commune with this. Yes, there is an extreme download. And there was a download. There was kind of an existing in kind of like the crossroads of time and space to where there was a lot going on, right? Like I shoot into the clips and it's just and, you know, I had a horrible experience and a positive experience. There was a dichotomous. But the main thing was that, you know, apparently they're a god that was invoked to conduct the ritual, Adad, and then, you know, was wanting to commune through me, a conduit to Shamash, right? Which, again, is like the sun god, their sun face, right? And, you know, these are the oracles of divination. Like this is, you know, known if you look it up. That's what this is. So the Shamash essentially, you know, the communication that I received, it was too much to go into here. But part of it was that it was upset with the men here and how they are carrying out and perverting age old traditions and misusing a lot of this and heavily rebuked them. And essentially sent back a message that they did not like and were so upset that, you know, I ended up getting the brunt end of that and, you know, unfortunately was extremely traumatized and tortured by these people to kind of suppress that information and kind of like hold that down. And, you know, I came out of the experience extremely damaged. After that, I was immediately pulled out of school. I developed twitches and side effects. And I actually stopped growing when this happened. I stopped growing and didn't grow anymore until I took human growth hormone for the rest of my remainder of my childhood, as a matter of fact. There has been issues with the memory of my whole family from this and, you know, happenstance be, we received a settlement supposedly for some bad back surgery for my father at the same time. And then, you know, we had moved locations. There was a whole reshuffling of that. So, yeah, it was an intense experience and there was a download of lots of information and they were interested in certain things. But the bottom line was that they were rebuked and scolded and they did not like this and essentially wanted to suppress it and kind of threw me off to another sect of the program. And that's when I kind of left from the family, which would be the believers and the cultists, just more into the network, you know, which is more like the government technology and kind of like operations. And at that point, I kind of got more out of the culty side. And then since I had that disassociative base that had already been trained, I went more into kind of like the official kind of like monarch aspect from there. And that was my introduction to monarch. Yes, yes, that's where I was going to go next. So it seems like these guys went through all this effort to line everything up at the right cosmic time. And there was a communication, but maybe they didn't get exactly the information they were seeking. They put all this energy into getting some information. It seems like maybe they didn't get exactly what they wanted. No, they didn't. But, you know, it's trial and trial and error kind of. So let's talk about monarch. So this happened when you were eight. Your memories come back at 25. Between these two times in the early 2000s, you're working in intelligence in the monarch program. A lot of people in the alternative community aren't even sure how literal to take the name Project Monarch. We are aware this kind of stuff goes on. And you say it's more than just a mind control program. It's a breeding and placement program. Precisely. Getting controlled people into all sorts of positions across the country in government, politics, even entertainment. Break this down for us. What is monarch overall? Well, precisely. And just like MKUltra was a research umbrella with 149 known subprojects, right, that spanned a thing. Monarch is the umbrella. And it might as well be a catchphrase in a generalized term, just like now Illuminati is, just like MKUltra is. A lot of things that it might not specifically represent. Monarch is simply a generational machine, a gestalt, where the individual compartments may not even be aware of each other, but work together, you know, in a synergistic fashion. Together they all are all amount to be the gestalt, more than just the sum of the parts, right? So monarch is the umbrella that covers all the same technology tradecraft. We're talking about frequency warfare, frequency weaponry, okay? Whether it be microwave weaponry and behavioral modification rays that adjust someone's, you know, behavior, right, that put voices in their head that influence them, micro adjustments in their brain that actually, you know, control them on a more precise level, blanketed frequency to the populace, into some of these advanced physics and advanced propulsion systems or warp drives or, you know, kind of just any exotic technology. So monarch is the umbrella that covers all of that, and monarch is the generational platform. Monarch butterflies, their migration pattern, right, takes several generations, and they pass that information epigenetically onto each other, and that's how that is carried out. And as such, monarch is a generational plan to where, you know, no one person is important. It's all about the plan. It's all about the self-replicating machine that uses epigenetics through, you know, through breeding. So essentially, family dynasties and bloodlines are used akin to how government pings pongs operations between NGOs and aerospace companies to escape Freedom of Information Act, you know, to skirt limited oversight, so on and so forth. Monarch is using family dynasties and breeding, line breeding people for specific positions, taking over territories, just like a monarch would. We're talking about hard territory geographical, but we're also talking about virtual territories, right? And it's, yes, placing these personnel, and everybody in monarch, whether they are read in on monarch or not, because 99.9% of people are not, that's just the umbrella. Monarch personnel are all put through the heavy behavioral modification, not just passive, but active Manchurian candidate level. And, you know, they will receive a variety of programming, but their aptitude, their specialty, and perhaps what they were bred for will be focused, whether they go into intelligence, whether they primarily are an actor, then have a subsurface personality that can be tapped, you know, as a spy for information, whether they're a politician, a bureaucrat, or, you know, whether they are a honeypot being used. There's a wide variety of personnel, but the important thing is that everybody in monarch is put through behavioral modification. We're talking about, like, the artichoke, bluebird, deliberate creation of personality, of multiple personalities by psychiatrists with, you know, compartmentalized with access codes that can be activated and called up, and these subjects are not consciously aware. You may even have, you know, top-tier special forces, you know, special missions units. You may have a variety of people that actually have a desk job at the CIA, but they are also have an unwitting subsurface subconscious personality that can be called up as well that they are not aware of. So Monarch is a globalist-ran program where people are embedded in all aspects of life, but it's specifically pertaining to covering the, you know, advanced technology and frequency warfare, you know, areas. But, yeah, it's all about breeding that personnel in a self-replicating machine and then placement of those personnel with that backdoor access for the globalists. The globalists only really have the access to that. They have, you know, pawned out the, you know, the low-level conditioning of, you know, basically enabling a child abuse epidemic as a means to an end to draw subjects from, right? And then, like, they will run some of their operations in the government and manage it through the clandestine services. But as far as the actual, like, access codes and the top-level information, it's tiered, it's a pyramid, it's hierarchical, and the people outside of the government are the only ones that keep that information and truly have access, underlying and overriding access to these assets that are spread out. Even though that intertwines with the government and is largely ran by clandestine services and aspects of high-up military intelligence, again, those are just kind of partitioned knowledge that's just enough so they can handle that part of the job and generate these assets. The true information is kept occult and transcends governments and transcends nations through these age-old orders that have been around far before the United States. These age-old orders that have been around since before everything was named what it's named in the Middle East. We're talking about the Jesuits, we're talking about Malta, and we're talking about these fabled dragon societies. That's a good breakdown, and this gets really complicated. So I mentioned the clips that you sometimes use. There was a clip from TLC, some random special in the pre-internet world, where I believe it was this guy, Robert Joseph White, who you said is a Knight of Malta member, and he's the guy who started this whole meme of brains kept alive in jars. And, of course, they did take John Wayne Gacy's brain after the execution, by the way, maybe to see if he got a demon attached properly or something. But this guy also did a monkey head transplant, which he said was successful, and you can transfer personalities. And then he says to the camera, he's like, well, what does this tell us about God and the spirit? Well, I think it means that the spirit can be transferred. And so you also go into this astrogenetics, this multi-generational memory thing and DNA memory. I mean, there is some weird science going on here, to use the movie term, but it just seems like that's kind of what this program is, is like trying to find the connection between the soul or an individual consciousness and the brain, and can it be transferred from person to person? You get into some stuff that almost sounds like they're doing rituals of immortality through using their own kids or using, I don't know, clones or something. I don't think you have ever used the word clones that I've heard, but vessels to transfer consciousness of a person who wants to go on to a younger vessel. I mean, is this actually happening? Is this something they're trying but not having success with? What do you think? Well, yeah, here's the thing. You know, going back to ancient times, you know, the epic of Giglamesh, who, you know, was on a quest for immortality. You know, what do people want out of life? When you're already a billionaire, you know, when you run a multi-generational dynasty, right, what do you want next? I mean, and these people that really get involved with this, the end justifies the means of these people at the top of this that are willing to do these heinous acts, they're after immortality. They're after transfer. And now we're getting into that transhumanism phase with the technocracy. Like, it's, you know, it's getting more of a realistic. You have Project Avatar here, Russia, Russia 2045, to where, you know, they want to be able to transfer parts of the human brain and map it. And so if I may, like, you know, you have the, say, the Knights of Malta, you know, Dr. Robert Joseph White. You know, he worked in the footsteps of Dr. Harvey Williams Cushing, who was, he began the field of neurosurgery, and Dr. Vladimir Nagovsky, who founded the Resuscitation Research Laboratory, the first one in the world, and he's known as the father of reanimatology. So, you know, what these people will do is they'll have their guy, like, go into, say, national security, and they'll say, hey, we have a way to resuscitate terrorists post-mortem to try to derive information to stop future terrorist attacks. So, say, you know, they kill themselves before we get them, and we need to know where the bombs are. We essentially resuscitate them. We have map brains, and we read their brainwave activity, and essentially we're doing a technological necromancy, right, is what it would be equatable to. So, you know, they'll kind of use that and then pour funding into it under the blanket of national security to exempt themselves from legality and also to, you know, avoid the watchful eye of the public, right? But at the same time, what they really do is kind of funding, advancing their own research where the true key and the true knowledge is kept a cult in these orders going way back. So what are they trying to do? You know, can they do this? Are they doing this? This is what they're trying to do. And, I mean, you know, look no further than the highest initiatives. There are people that are working on transferring and downloading their brain, and this is, you know, on the technological end. But, like, I mean, you know, and I don't advise of anybody getting into this, of course. I rebuke, denounce, and renounce it all. But if you get into some of this kind of dark black magic, yes, this is what these people believe they can do, and it's information that has been passed down. And this is the lure for anybody that's climbing this ladder and kind of like the light at the end of the tunnel. These people want to be able to live forever. They want immortality. And, you know, whether this is a reality or not at the top, whether it's a reality now, you know, technologically or spiritually, right, either way, this is the carrot that's being dangled in front of these people that are involved. And it is at least rumored and promised to initiates and people climbing this ladder, you know, as kind of like, you know, and justifies the means. So they claim, yes, they claim that this is something that they can do, and this is something you will be rewarded with if you are successful enough and if you are loyal enough to the cause, to the order. But, you know, it's a slippery slope, you know, whether you believe that or not, once you start getting these acts and desensitizing yourself and stair-stepping yourself up, getting a taste of this power, getting a taste of this occult knowledge and these secrets. Right. And you don't have to believe it's possible to believe that they're trying to do it. And maybe it's a lofty goal, but it seems like they are putting energy into it. That idea of bringing a terrorist back to life, I think, is really interesting and never really heard before. But, you know, with MKUltra, they're experimenting on prisoners, on people in the psych ward. So they're looking for opportunities. Where can we test this without getting into trouble and without using ourselves? So, like, a terrorist is a perfect person. Like, hey, this is a bad guy. He's been labeled with the T word. So let's try to reanimate him. Oh, it didn't work. Well, let's do it a hundred more times across the Middle East and all this. And it's just wild. But let's get into the gate program stuff. These campaigns to find gifted kids across the school system and take them out of the school, away from their parents, because the parents were told these kids were special and advanced. I mean, this is wild. So I really just heard you talking about it. And I went looking myself. And there are Reddit groups of 1,500 people all kind of talking about the same things. I was in this program. And I remember shockingly little from it. And that's common. Then it's comment after comment. Yeah, me too. Yeah, me too. Talk about this program. I know there's many offshoots, but just to call it the gate program. Again, Stargate. What's with all the damn gates? But this was a big thing. I remember it coming through my school. But tell us about this. I mean, tell us the real objectives of this program. Yeah, no, absolutely. And so gate, whether it's a regional equivalent, so on and so forth, we're talking about gifted and talented education. So this was kind of formed under the National Defense Education Act, which was a direct response on paper to Sputnik, right? We essentially need to make sure that we are getting scientists right in the Cold War era, that we have our own people advanced into STEM, into the sciences, technology, blah, blah, blah, math, everything. The curriculum is all under NSA, CSS, Central Security Service. This is all a big funding umbrella from National Defense Education Act. And then what was started was known as Project Talent. And that was started by Dr. Flanagan, okay? And now John C. Flanagan. Now, that was an aviation psychologist. He was in charge of selecting combat fighter pilots, which is some of, like, the most strenuous, right? So he put together Project Talent. That's what scouts children that are then put into gate and so on and so forth. It's not just gate. They also might be under the guise of, you know, vocational or, you know, special needs. And then even some of this is under disciplinary. But just calling it gate as an umbrella. You know, first, if they're in gate, they're in talent, okay? And there's different iterations of talent going throughout there. And in talent, everybody in talent is in something called plan program, which, again, this is still made by John C. Flanagan. Plan program is essentially individualized curriculum. Now, that might mean the individualized curriculum might just be that you're in one gate class. But it also might mean that, hey, you are designated to skip two grades, and then you have these other classes. Like, it can be a lot of variance or it can be a little. It's dependent. But once someone's selected in talent, they are put on a list for life, and there's follow-ups. And that's even on paper about talent. But, you know, obviously, they have individualized curriculum, and they're put into these gifted and talented educations. And, you know, all these questions are kind of, like, covertly embedded into standardized testing, even back as far as daycare, to where, like, the Weschler tests, you know, in order to get the funding for certain daycares and certain grants that will be required to administer these testing. So, like, it's really a systematic testing of as many people as they can across different classes in the populations to funnel people into these. And then in gate, you know, if you're entered into the full-on, if they say, hey, this child is obviously it's been tested. They have a dissociative base, so on and so forth. Then you may be funneled to a separate project that is essentially forming an army of sleepers. That's what a lot of these people have been doing. These globalists have formed sleepers. I've been whistleblowing on this based on the hard data for over a decade, and it's just now the gate stuff's just catching on. But it's not just psionic testing, because they have a lot of, like, out there testing, like Stargate, right? One thing we know about Stargate, right, is that it used Monroe Institute's Gateway Voyage as some of the curriculum in it. Well, the funny thing is, is that shortly after Stargate was officially shut down in 1995, right, it actually, it actually, there was Gifted and Talented Education Act concerns that came out in the paper through one of the gate equivalents called Odyssey. And basically what they described was the Monroe Gateway Voyage curriculum and that people having concerns because the students' information got charted. They were wondering why all their information is saved on computers. It was putting them through out-of-body kind of experience, imagining, remote viewing protocols, so on and so forth. And the funny thing is, that was under the Jacob Javits Gifted and Talented Education Act. Jacob Javits was one of the foremost authorities in MKUltra, and people can look into that. The other funny thing is, the person who shut down Stargate, the review was done by American Institutes for Research, AIR. And guess who founded AIR? John C. Flanagan. The same person who founded Project Talent that selected the students that were funneled to these gate programs that went through the Stargate curriculum. So it's completely contained under the same umbrella. The same person, Flanagan, that started Project Talent to scout for these students to enter them in these Gifted and Talented Education Acts, which were put forth from MKUltra, you know, personnel, you know, then, you know, put them through the curriculum through that was the same as being used in Stargate. And then, of course, they deem it as inconsequential and not actually giving any actionable intelligence, so on and so forth. But all the documentation says otherwise. So it's just very interesting how this is all under the same umbrella. One other thing for people to look into, the father of gifted and talented education, another John, John C. Galwin. Essentially, you look into his books like Taxonomy of Consciousness and so on and so forth. He breaks down all the mystical states from the yogis, you know, to the monks in Nepal and all this. And what he did was he basically rewrote some of this magical occult path working and all these trance states and all these magical rituals. And he rewrote them with scientific nomenclature. So essentially, it's the same thing, but just rebranded it and put it in scientific terms. And then a lot of this got transferred over into a curriculum that sounds more like scientific terms, just like people listen to the Monroe Institute's Gateway Voyage. It's going through the same mystical steps, but it's got a scientific spin on it. So it sounds more down to earth. A lot of people appreciate that more. And there's another element to it. It's not just about demystifying it and make it sound scientific. When you put these things into scientific terms, it kind of satiates that one hemisphere of the brain, the left brain, which controls the right side, is more calculated and scientific. So it kind of like satiates that end and then allows the right brain, which controls the left side, to be more creative and do its thing. Otherwise, what you can happen is you have cross-hemispheric kind of confabulation, and you'll kind of like stop yourself from letting it happen. That's why some of these remote viewing protocols don't tell you the target and stuff. That way it's just like you do whatever so you don't get in your own way. So putting it in scientific terms even satiates the other side of the brain to allow basically for the other hemisphere to do its job. So it's not just like cross-hemispheric kind of like working together, but it's also making sure they don't get in the way of each other when they're working together. But, yeah, so the whole gifted and talented curriculum is even based on a cult father education, and it's just, you know, that's really what it comes down to. Obviously, there'll be a myriad of experience in that because not everybody went to these sub-projects. But, I mean, if you go digging, you'll, again, find it under Gowen's books and the education and the curriculum. You know, what I'm saying is checks out, I guess, on paper. Right, yeah, you certainly know a lot about this stuff, and you know the names and connections, and I just don't understand what the motivation would be if this wasn't driven by a personal quest to understand what you were a part of. Like, if you weren't a part of this, I just don't know why a person would go this deep in the research. It seems to check out to me. But when it comes to some of the stuff I've seen with this gate program, you can find people on TikTok now being like, hey, this is what happened to me, Twitter, all the main social media sites. And they're using the hashtag so you can see the comments that are like, yeah, me too, me too. So the first thing is very common to not have much memory of it at all. But then some talk about being made to drink some sort of pink liquid, and other people are like, yes, now that you say pink liquid, I remember that as well. They talk about being hooked up to equipment that's playing a different video in each eye at different speeds, different sounds in each ear, total sensory overload, just like you were saying, the five senses, the five pins of the key, they're hitting you with everything and then finding the thing that works, like twisting the dial on a safe till you hear the click. Man, it's just so, so wild. So I also read your piece, behavioral modification in sensitive classified operations affecting disclosure, and you make a comment in there that they were looking for individuals less sensitive to radiation for craft retrievals and surveying areas of UFO events. We know there's a radiation element to some of that stuff, even biblical angel encounters, like there's a theme of sickness and a theme of beings of light. I mean, light, radiation, it's kind of all in the same soup, but talk to us about this aspect of the thing, that it does bleed over into UFOs, UAP, and the whole movement there. Yeah, so, I mean, you know, regardless of what people think about phenomena, right, you know, these people that are, a lot of these people with gait are, overlap with experiencers. There's a lot of overlap here, whatever you want to call it, contactees, experiencers, so on and so forth. You know, the one aspect is people that may be talented for, say, remote viewing, people that may be talented for, or have these experiences, they tend to have dominance, right, in the right brain that, you know, controls the left side again. And that's kind of like also that creativity and that imagination and intelligence is also, that's what's desired for, unfortunately, these brainwashing programs to make these sleeper assets tied to MKUltra. So you have that heavy aspect there, and I mean, that's really what it gets down to is anybody that's put in these programs that has to do with this advanced technology that has to do with deeply classified elements, going back to the Manhattan Project, they're subject to behavioral modification. The most sensitive projects are nuclear physicists. Do you think we're just going to let them go and hope that they don't end up getting disgruntled and talk to someone or hope that they don't get suckered into it? No, essentially, we make sure that these people are qualified and the same intelligent people or the people that are qualified, again, to take part in these Ericksonian scripts and help brainwash themselves even once they're into this, right? They're handing over all the information. But essentially, they're conditioned with these same aspects with, you know, gamma, omega programming and, you know, all this. And anybody that's going into these deeply classified elements will at least have base programming. And everybody, because if they can't be put through base programming, they won't make it to the next level and be accepted into these next programs. It's routed. It's what's called a sterile protocol. So if people can't go through base programming, well, then they're going to be no good for the program. Everybody in the program, as they would say it, has been programmed, has been as programming. And that's what it comes down to. You know, whether they are talented in, you know, what people want to say, remote viewing or some of these more out there aspects or whether they've had genuine contact or it's been synthesized, whatever people believe in them. Regardless, is that they have been put through this conditioning, which also always has synthetic contact experience elements. And again, that's just has been said by Bonacci, just as me and many other have said, is to confuse and confabulate disclosure. So, you know, essentially, there's deep post-technotic suggestions to where if these people access the unauthorized information internally or if they start disclosing unauthorized information, essentially, they will have a flashback with no context of the synthesized experience. And it's just, you know, it can be patterned messages that sent doesn't have to be audible to them. It can be inaudible. But either way, what happens is that starts flooding into their psyche and it will start confusing disclosure. So this is just like, you know, if you really boil it down and demystify it, it's just a hard method that's applied to personnel to stop them from telling. And then if they do tell, to essentially make them sound or go crazy. So, you know, it won't be well received to discredit, to derail, to neutralize. Wow. And it really does seem like you're splitting hairs between aliens and demons when you get into the thing we started talking about and this idea of disembodied, separate, autonomous intelligences, consciousnesses. I mean, who really cares if it's just up in the cosmic soup or on some far distant planet? It's really almost the same thing from our perspective. So it just gets really wild. I mean, what is your take having gone through that experience at eight with the disclosure movement today? I mean, do you think that they're obviously hiding some things and trying to steer a narrative that isn't exactly true just to make it more palatable to the public? Yeah. So, I mean, here's what I believe from where I put through is that the people at the people, unfortunately, the families that are even behind governments to where their powers generationally, their bloodlines transcend these nations. And they are the ones that started these orders. They call the shots. And these are the people that purport to commune with these spirits are some physical or some non-physical. To me, that's irrelevant. But what I believe is that they have hard agreements in place. And now what I believe is that as this disclosure movement's coming, what they don't want known is all the technology that they have and the communication that they have. What they want is an obscure scapegoat, just like Operation Northwoods to where we were going to do a false flag terrorist attack, which was a real terrorist attack on our own American people and blame it on Cuba. When you have non-human intelligence, say, you know, you do a false flag and you blame it on non-human intelligence. Well, unlike Cuba, they can't just stand up and say, hey, it wasn't us, guys. You know, it wasn't us. We're just Cuba. And these people are faking it to come get our land. No. So you have an obscure enemy that you can scapegoat. And especially with some of these frequency remote technology, because radiation, we're talking about frequency and it just has those side effects. Right. So when that's coming into play and, you know, especially now with the uptick of this disclosure, which what I see is it's a planned technology rollout. They've already developed ICD-10 medical insurance codes by a known mind control doctor, Christopher Kitt Green, that did this study at Skinwalker Ranch. They based this ICD-10 medical interference syndrome study at Skinwalker Ranch on Skinwalker Ranch because supposedly it's NHI. That's really an exotic weapons testing ground. But so they made these ICD-10 codes to treat people because they know there is a huge adverse health effects. There is biological issues and even tissue damage to some of this increased surveillance and this gridded up that they used either for, you know, remote influence through blanketed frequencies to more direct influence through, you know, directed energy weapons and so on and so forth. But also these new advanced craft and so on and so forth that they want to roll out that they've, you know, had in a while that they just can't keep secret anymore. You know, the billionaires zipping around in their craft and military intelligence and so on and so forth. It's planned. You know, they're rolling out this technology. So that's long been the plan. So as they roll this out for the increased health effects, they want to be able to basically pin that on an obscure, plausibly deniable NHI. So it's kind of being handed down that, hey, we have problems, whether you believe some are hostile, whether you believe some are upset that we're shooting down their craft, like they say, or so on and so forth. The idea of it is that, you know, people are in contact with these things. There's a lot of unknown events. We basically know nothing is what they say, and they can pin any of, you know, any of the damage from their deeds on this NHI. So this planned rollout of technology is twofold. One, it's to scapegoat this technology and the adverse health effects on the NHI, so to speak. And then the other aspect is just to completely control, to completely cross over to the new wireless control mechanism. A lot of this MKUltra Monarch was direct trauma. You know, it wasn't just remote. You had to get people in the chair and the helmet. You had to torture these children, so on and so forth. Now, technology has developed to the extent that they can just do this remotely so completely. So as they're kind of doing this controlled crossover during this window, they're kind of cleaning house and basically all the bad stuff they're trying to write off to NHI, you know, as they port over to this new system. This is what it is there. They've long planned this kind of consolidation of world powers as, you know, kind of like for a new world order, a one world government, you know, one world nation. Right. And that was kind of the plan all along. So now they're able to do this, that the technology and the infrastructure is there. And while they port this over, you know, the whole purpose of it is to blame the side effects on the unknown. So that's really what disclosure is about. It's about scapegoating anything that they can as they cross over and implement this full control and consolidate power under this cabal that's really been responsible for doing all this. Hmm. Yeah. It seems like a logical conclusion to what this is all about. Some of this stuff has really long arcs and it seems very lofty. Like to me, it's like, how are you going to pull that off? But Hey, we'll see. Maybe they spend five more years conditioning people before we really see anything. Maybe they use holographic technology to make it look like you're seeing it with your own eyes through social media. And then like, how can you not believe it? They've got some sophisticated ways to make you believe pretty wild things, but this has been amazing, man. As we're trying to circle around the ending here, like I said, it's really hard to vet a person in this situation. You have to do so much research. I just vet you by listening to you speak. And I think anyone who's listened to this two hours would be like, the guy clearly knows what he's talking about. He has a lot of insights. It doesn't matter what question I threw at you. You had a lot to say. Uh, I think you sound pretty legit, but they are muddy waters and we're talking about intelligence and we're talking about a person who did used to work in military. As they say with the CIA, you're never an ex CIA agent. So there's that in the back of my mind a little bit, as I'm sure you could understand, but I would go online and look at your detractors. And a lot of them I'd get from your own feed. Cause you're retweeting what they say about you and then deconstructing why it's bullshit. You know, there was the thing about the gun. You said you made this a PVC gun in high school and of an affair. And then you just used a clip from a Tik TOK as a example. Cause, cause of course you don't have footage of that. Of course you don't have a second grade PVC. Yeah. That was an odd one for them to focus on right after they claimed I was someone else, a movie star or something. I don't know what these people, it's like, they're trying to give me credibility. In the pre smartphone world, we didn't have cameras in our pockets all the time. So you just kind of put something together. I didn't think that was a reason to be skeptical of you, but I guess one of the things, one of the accusations, as you know, is that your big thing, organized safety.org. Some people are saying, look, this guy, he's going on these podcasts. He's doing that. He's got this database. This is a honeypot to get people who have been victims or have been in the gate program or satanic ritual abuse to get their information, to get them to come out of the woodwork. Maybe the network lost some of these people and they're just out in the wild and they want to clean it up a little bit. I could see that being a thing, but we just kind of talked about it. Except we don't get personal information. We actually recommend you don't give personal information and just have the perpetrator. So that even on its face, right? Fair. Okay. So yeah, I'm just going to stop and let you talk because I just want you to speak to what you would assume might be the criticisms out there as we're closing this out and talk about what organized safety.org is really designed to do. Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate you. Yeah. And I mean, you know, people can always shoot the messenger. You know, it's about the message. I, you know, I almost wanted to say nothing ever personal about myself just because like there's always going to be something and some extreme stories, but a lot of survivors relate to that. So, you know, in 2013 and 14, I learned this, I learned the lesson of not collecting survivor information because that can always be intercepted or compromised. So essentially organized safety is inspired based and expounds upon the work of Valerie Wolf at the 1995 ACHRE. And that's what people should look up because there, Claudia Mullen and Christina Cola were survivors of this Manchurian candidate level programming, a Delta spy assassin and a beta honeypot sex slave. And, you know, they disclose some information and Valerie Wolf in a week and a half had 40 therapists contact or approximately 40 with information from patients nationwide that was blindly corroborating. Right. So essentially we took that and we networked with nationwide trauma therapists, other defectors, other survivors of their advocates and just people in general. And what we did was we designed a system. And now this system is an end-to-end encrypted report intake form, persons of interest, locations of interest, just general report of interest. Right. And what people can do is they can go there completely anonymously through an end-to-end encrypted platform and they can report either information about a perpetrator, information about a location, information about an event, whatever it is. If they would like, if they would like, then they can also leave an email address. We recommend a brand new Proton email address. Don't lose it. That way you keep it. And if you want, you can get a copy of the report. And if you want, only if you want, you can, you can get grant permission for notification if your information is corroborated. So we actually recommend you don't put any information about yourself. What we do is say, hey, you know, drop the information. If you want to be notified, if some, if a name you report, if a location, if a program name, if an event, if any of the information you report is corroborated and then it's detected within our database, we will have a liaison contact you and say, hey, we had two other people mention this. Hey, we had 10 other people mention this. Hey, so on and so forth. Would you like to be introduced to these other parties so you all can get together? So essentially, we don't even need any of your information. And even to the point, if it is something like that, where, you know, that comes up, generally it will be because there is multiple other parties with the same information. So we use this system for anonymous reporting just of the perpetrators of the locations of so on and so forth. And then what we can do is use that to build up blind preponderance of evidence for civil law. We can do burden of proof for criminal law or just it helps paint the fuller picture for the parties that investigate in this information to really get a full picture of the network, the families and how this thing's operating. So, you know, people will always say what they want. You know, we're here to talk to anybody. And I think it becomes very clear. We're just the premise of our system stands on its own. And we're not trying to have a monopoly. If we have, you know, parties that we talk to and are comfortable with, we will build a standalone system that you can run in your own space, whether, you know, there's a suspect organization, church, school, whatever it is. You know, we can grant you can make your own system for you to run with your own parties and have a QR code and say, hey, if anybody, you know, has anything to report, scan this and report to this form. Like what we're doing is we are preaching the empowerment principle of peer to peer to put the power in your own hands to safely build up cooperation. That way you only actually have to expose yourself if there's already corroborating evidence and other parties involved and you have a much higher chance of success to pursue justice. So at that point, you know, people get together and it can come forward. Imagine if all the people that reported in the Boy Scouts were doing to a place that wasn't compromised and they actually took that corroborating evidence and didn't take so long. Epstein, how many sweetheart deals did he get? How many people brushed that under the rug? Nygaard, you're talking about Larry Nassar in the Olympics. You're talking about Sandusky in the wrestling team. What if these people reported to a place that really was going to pursue this? And then if they run into a stonewall and say, hey, these reports aren't being taken, then we had the option to go public, to leverage public awareness, to force the existing channels to do their job, what they were supposed to. People can say what they want, but the system, the premise stands on its own and speaks for itself. And we urge anybody that has information or evidence to contact us even before you report and then judge for yourself if that's the right thing to do. OrganizedSafety.org. Thank you. Yes, I think that's a good pitch. Intelligence gathering for good, you could say. And yeah, I could see how it provides healing for victims, just knowing that they're not alone and knowing other people have similar stories and possibly justice. Justice is a lot harder in a compromised law system, but you can still try. Some things do get through occasionally and at least people are more aware. So I guess I was just trying to prepare the audience for anyone who might go and be motivated by this to learn more about your background or try to do their own research. You're going to find a lot of detractors claiming stolen valor and all this sort of stuff. But a lot of those people have a vested interest in, well, the military is good. I'm a part of the military and it's a force for good. For sure. And Gray's out there saying all this nefarious stuff and I'm now motivated to take him down. There's a lot of that. So I just want people to be prepared. You're going to see things on both sides. You just listen to an hour or two with them. You decide for yourself, but man, thank you for doing this. It's got to be frustrating to face such attacks on all sides and also to have these traumatic background experiences that people can barely even believe. It's tough, but thank you for sharing. You do have a Patreon. I believe you definitely have a YouTube. You definitely have Twitter. Tell people about the handles you have out there, places you're visible on the internet. Yeah, no Patreon, but I have a YouTube, a Rumble, is Gray Area Operator, the Gray Area. I'm very active on X. That seems to be where I can get a lot out and it's not censored or deleted. So on X, I am Gray Area Monarch. On most other platforms, I'm Gray Area Operator. Not very active anywhere other than X. And then again, you know, I'm putting out, I'm just now getting back to putting out more on my YouTube and more on my Rumble. Also though, you know, and again, I founded Organized Safety, but you know, I went public and I'm kind of the loudmouth liaison. This is with a team of professionals and people that have been invested in this, some for over 30 years at this point, right? So people can find that at OrganizedSafety.org and also on X at OrganizedSafety. I will also be putting a series of articles out through myself, Gray, through Gray Area on Emma Catherine's Substack. Emma Catherine runs the Imagination Podcast. That's my wife and my love. She has one of the largest libraries of full-length testimony of survivors of this. So people, if they want to go to the sources and hear from the survivors themselves, they can go to the Imagination Podcast. She's on X at TheEmmapreneur. You can find her on Rumble and Substack and X under Emma Catherine or The Imagination Podcast. And I'll be doing a series of articles with basically never before seen and exact information about programming and methods on her Substack. And Organized Safety will be putting out a series of articles as well, just with really next level information that's not available anywhere else with contemporary programming methods. Nothing like this has been disclosed basically since some of these Spring, Meyer, and Wheeler books way back. But we have a wealth of information that we've accumulated that we can disseminate some safely just due to it coming from enough sources that it doesn't expose the source where it did come from. So we'll be exposing a lot. But yeah, so at Gray Area Monarch on X, at TheEmmapreneur on X, and Gray Area and The Imagination Podcast on YouTube and Rumble. Hell yeah. Thank you. Yeah, I think I must have gotten the Substack and Patreon mixed up because they're both paywalled systems or can be if you choose to. Yeah, and ours aren't paywalled, to be clear. Anybody that wants to subscribe to Emma Catherine's is welcome to do so. And we appreciate it because, you know, this goes to supporting the operations and also direct survivors. But there is no paywall on any of our material. It's all full access for free. Right on. Well, it's exciting to hear about what you're going to be doing. Maybe I do a follow-up with Emma. That sounds like it'd be pretty good. But hey, man, you sold me. Although if I see you next on The Sean Ryan Show, I'm going to have questions. This is a good time. Thank you for spending the time with me and take care. Thank you, sir. All right. Damn. What a ride today, huh? I like that we didn't go too deep on the personal life story outside of that one big weird key event. You can listen to his other interviews to get all that other stuff. But we certainly got a lot of good material, if you ask me. Like I said in the beginning, if I was trying to see if the personal stuff could be believed, if he really did have insider status, I'd be assessing how familiar with some things he seems to be, which is very. And if I was trying to assess if he sounds like someone who has the story he claims to have, I'd be thinking about signs of trauma. And he does speak fast with a somewhat anxious energy, I guess. Maybe anxious isn't even the right word. No disrespect. But there is a subtle quality there that actually resonates with me and I think helps his case. It makes him seem genuine. And I'd be looking for a militaristic cadence or language or vibe. And I think he has that, too. I'd also be wondering, is this someone who came out of nowhere and is suddenly everywhere? And let it be known that for anyone familiar with early internet conspiracy culture, Gray actually has several lengthy, detailed posts, articles, really, that were posted on the above top secret forums over a decade ago. To me, that also really helps his case. He's been talking. He just hasn't really been noticed in a big, big way. I personally came across him doing my deep dives, looking for guests, and reached out to him. And even then, he didn't really jump at the chance. He wanted to feel me out first, too, it seemed. Not exactly media-hungry, if that makes sense. And I never really felt like he tried to make this all about him, unless I was asking. Not exactly ego-driven, I would say. Another notch in the belt of credibility. There's times where I do interviews that shouldn't be the least bit. Personal to someone. And yet, every answer comes back to something about themselves. And one other point that's probably worth making is if you look at some of his other interviews, he typically would wear a ski mask and use a voice modulator. And I told him I didn't care about the ski mask, but I asked him if we could please not use the voice modulator, because I just think it's hard to hear what is said sometimes. And he opted for neither. And when you see these video clips come out on the social media channels in a week or so, I think seeing him would also contribute to a lot of people's assessment of him overall. And it's not a big deal. It's subtle things. But I think he appears to be the person he claims to be. Even more so with that video component. So those are just some of the reasons I believed Gray, at least enough to ask him for an interview. And focusing mainly on information outside of the personal story also helps, because it's not such a pass-fail sort of assessment. It's more than just the personal story. So lots to like here, I would say. We looped in a little NASA. We got into the motivations and benefits of doing these rituals a bit deeper than usual. The cosmic fisherman premise really was something that worked for me. I'm quite blown away. At the end of the last show, I said this was kind of like a better Donald Marshall episode. And now you probably can see why I would say that. Some of the names and connections he was going through in the disclosure movement were even over my head. I really haven't been paying enough attention to the week-by-week stuff in the disclosure drama discourse. And clearly I need to catch up. Another little side thing I liked was the botanical gardens growing poisonous plants angle. Got to grow them somewhere, I guess. But I thought there were several things that he came with that were really unique perspectives that didn't just seem like he was regurgitating the usual stuff we hear. He said he was barely familiar with David Icke, even. Also, because it came up without really any context, I should explain that PVC gun criticism. So he had a tweet saying he put together a functional gun out of PVC pipe in the second grade for a project. And he tweeted this with several photos that to me were clearly just supplemental, not actual photos from his story. But one was of a PVC gun and his critics said, hey, look, he took this from a TikTok video. See, he's a fraud. But I just didn't even think he was saying, hey, these are actual photos of me in the second grade doing this. They didn't even seem like 90s photos. And the hands on the gun making it in the photo were clearly not child's hands. So I think he was just showing what a PVC gun could look like. That, of course, was his rebuttal. And I had no problem with it. And that's a small thing. The big thing would be using this OrganizeSafety.org project as a honeypot. And then doing what they call love bombing to victims to maybe gain their trust and get deeper information or something like that. And I do think those sorts of plants exist. And I think he would say they exist, too. We're talking about intelligence, counterintelligence, all that stuff. But his responses in this interview sounded good to me. Things are submitted anonymously. Nobody who has reported seems to have any complaints as far as I can tell. I saw one person complaining about personal interactions. But those texts are public now. And I didn't think anything was that significant. Again, I liked this a lot. Thought he knew a hell of a lot about all these different subjects. And a lot of it seems to be from personal insight. So as good as the first hour was, the plus show only added to it. We got a little deeper into what the disclosure movement is hiding and misdirecting from and aiming for. We talked more about the astrogenetics information, the rituals for immortality, the notion of bringing terrorists back to life, some of the suburban hotspots where these kinds of people congregate, parasitology, and some of that stuff. Man, that was fascinating. Physical parasites having a relationship with spiritual parasites and some of them being welcomed by these people. And we talked about the alt-media and the Sean Ryan show in particular and some of his skepticisms and interactions with them there. Lots to like. One of my favorites in a while. Join plus support truly independent and sponsor free stuff that you like. Get 700 plus shows in the archive, many of them on timeless subjects rather than the stories of the week. You'll love it. Seven day free trial to get started. So really any one show can be accessed for free if you're not interested in the bigger picture. In higher side news, let's do what we do. Talk a little bit about the rating of the last episode. In this case, it was the long awaited appearance of Sam Tripoli. I didn't know how it would go or how it would be received, but I'm pleased to report we got a 4.7. Really, really good. I figured it would largely come down to how much crossover there was between our audiences and Sam can be a wild man. Is he really going to let me lead the dance? That was the thought I had, but it was great. In fact, several people commented on the fact that Sam actually might have benefited from being in the guest's chair. Their opinion of him went up, not down. So that's great. Either way, it was long overdue and I'm glad that it went so well. If you're a comedy fan, it was probably fun to hear his comments on that stuff in the second hour too. And again, with the Shane Gillis stuff, because that seems to get the most attention, I wasn't even trying to say he's a bad guy. I was just talking about some connections made by Spade on War Mode and I looked those connections up. They do seem to be legit. I just find it interesting that in one of the trajectories up the ladder that seemed the most organic to me, there are these aspects to it. He doesn't have to be read in on anything. He doesn't have to have an agenda. It really is as simple as a guy his dad went to high school with also worked in the CIA with a guy who is now the CEO of Bud Light. And so maybe it resulted in a job or two, you know, most job getting activities are based on networking anyway. So not really that strange, just kind of, wow, here too. That was my thought. Good show though. And as we do, let's run through the meetup calendar events at HiresideMeetups.com. Looks like all the February events are over, but on March 3rd, we got Pullman, Washington at Rico's Public House. March 8th, of course, the event with me and Gordon in High Springs, Florida, but also the Trails Cafe in LA, if you're in that area. Saturday, March 22nd, Elko, Nevada at the 7018 Brewery. March 26th, Dove Creek, Colorado at Banger's Bar and Pizza. March 29th, Sydney, Australia, the Chish and Flips kiosk. Interesting. And March 31st, Gail Brath's Ale House in Auckland, New Zealand. Not bad. The other day I said it was a little light. Looks like a few have been added. And let me just say, it's available to anyone interested. Just go to HiresideMeetups.com and make an event and some like-minded people will likely come meet you for a drink and some fun conversation about the show and its topics, etc., etc. All right. And again, big thanks to Gray. Let him know if you appreciate his insights or resonate with his story. Twitter's probably the best way to do that. Gray Area Monarch is his handle. And honestly, I just want to get this one out fast. So I'm not taking the time to make a song. I don't think very many people care. And it would be hard to do anyway without it seeming almost disrespectful, like I'm kind of mocking or making light of his story or something. So we'll just dust off an old one of the cover song classics and call it a day. But man, it is a dark world out here sometimes. So take care of you and yours. I'm getting out of here. I've done my part. Your moves, attorney and necromancers, child abusing elites and bloodline families of the power pyramid. Your fucking move. You can try your best, but you won't succeed. In the transhumanistic future we see. We'll keep you wired so you can't sleep. Back is a curve. It's just one chip behind your face. And some parts below that we can't replace. There's no time to enlist the... Shit has a massive advantage over people that don't have it yet. Well, I mean, it's the kind of thing where your productivity would improve, I don't know, dramatically make it like a factor of 10 with it. So you could definitely just, you know, I don't know, take out a load and do it and earn the money back real fast. Yeah. It would be super smart. When do you think you're going to do it? How long will you wait? Our big dream. A new phase. I have mine for all.