Legacy Program

The White House vs UFO Gatekeepers: Who Controls the Evidence?

That UFO PodcastOct 20, 2026

Hosts Andy McGrillen and Pavel of Seco Activo dig into claims that the White House is bypassing an entrenched 'Legacy Program' to investigate UFOs itself, including alleged UAP luring and retrieval operations at White Sands Missile Range tied to Skywatcher's Jake Barber. They review Jay Stratton's new memoir and media tour, Garry Nolan's frustration that the UAP science council has received no data, and Dr. Phil's claims that the US holds 50 to 100 non-human craft. The episode closes with Pavel's investigation into a secretive Templar order allegedly recruiting prominent UFO figures like Chris Bledsoe and 'Science Bob' McGuire.

Jay Stratton Steps Out of the Shadows

Need to Know (Coulthart/Zabel)Oct 19, 2026

Richard Dolan and Bryce Zabel review Jay Stratton's new book Out of the Shadows, which Dolan calls the most valuable insider account of the modern UFO disclosure effort. Stratton describes a 2009 briefing by Lockheed's Jim Ryder alleging CIA control of a crash retrieval legacy program, a real Roswell crash with non-human bodies, and 12 alien craft held by Lockheed, along with a failed attempt to transfer one bell-shaped craft to Bigelow's team. The hosts also weigh Stratton's accounts of intentional orbs and the Skinwalker Ranch hitchhiker effect harassing his family, and frame the whole saga as a factional war inside the Pentagon and intelligence community.

UFO Cover-Up Claims & Pentagon Fallout, with Ben Schreckinger

That UFO PodcastOct 16, 2026

Journalist Ben Schreckinger, who first made his name covering Donald Trump's rise for Politico, explains how he put Jay Stratton's claim that former AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick was compromised by a secret UFO legacy program directly to Kirkpatrick. Kirkpatrick called it nonsense and hit back, accusing Stratton and his 'band of pseudoscientists' of violating national security law. The conversation also covers Trump's stance on disclosure, the Jim Ryder lead in Stratton's book, John Herrington's shifting account of the Brent Friedman story, and the surprising overlap between UFOs and psychic research.

12 UFOs at Lockheed? Unpacking Jay Stratton’s Claims

That UFO PodcastOct 16, 2026

Andy McGrillen and Pavel of CicoActivo dissect former senior US intelligence official Jay Stratton's new memoir 'Out of the Shadows,' which claims a hidden 'legacy program' has been recovering and reverse engineering non-human craft. The standout allegation, relayed from Lockheed's Jim Ryder, is that Lockheed held 12 recovered craft of non-human origin around 2009, with some occupants captured alive before dying. The hosts weigh whether the book delivers bombshells, breadcrumbs, or BS, noting that much of it is secondhand and that Stratton calls out unnamed whistleblowers and media proxies without naming them.

The Hidden Empire: Esoteric Physics, UFOs & Consciousness | Jason Samosa

Third Eye DropsSep 9, 2026

Researcher Jason Samosa argues that a private postwar network, the World Commerce Corporation, may be the real-world model for the shadowy Majestic-style 'Maynard Consortium' in Tom DeLonge's fiction, and that it absorbed Nazi money, industry and possibly advanced technology. He traces links from wartime intelligence chiefs and bankers through drug trafficking, the mafia and figures like Robert Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, suggesting criminals rather than governments may control UFO secrets. The conversation then turns to occult technology, Prometheus mythology, theosophy inside Lockheed Martin, and the idea that consciousness itself is the true path to disclosure.

CIA Scientist: I Saw NHI Technology! Remote Viewing & Consciousness | Dr. Bob McGwier

Third Eye DropsJul 17, 2026

Dr. Bob McGwier, a mathematician and former intelligence community technologist, claims he was once shown circuit hardware built with single-atom gates that he concluded could not be human-made, and that he turned down an invitation into the so-called UAP legacy program. He describes seeing giant orbs with experiencer Chris Bledsoe, followed by what he calls miraculous cures of his own heart disease and his ex-wife's stroke damage, and later a telepathic encounter with a non-human being in his backyard. The conversation also covers remote viewing history, living plasmas, failures in data collection at Skywatcher, and his work extending Donald Hoffman's consciousness-first mathematics toward general relativity.