Jay Stratton Steps Out of the Shadows

Summary

Richard Dolan and Bryce Zabel review Jay Stratton's new book Out of the Shadows, which Dolan calls the most valuable insider account of the modern UFO disclosure effort. Stratton describes a 2009 briefing by Lockheed's Jim Ryder alleging CIA control of a crash retrieval legacy program, a real Roswell crash with non-human bodies, and 12 alien craft held by Lockheed, along with a failed attempt to transfer one bell-shaped craft to Bigelow's team. The hosts also weigh Stratton's accounts of intentional orbs and the Skinwalker Ranch hitchhiker effect harassing his family, and frame the whole saga as a factional war inside the Pentagon and intelligence community.

Key takeaways

• 1Jim Ryder, a Lockheed official who worked under Ben Rich, allegedly told Stratton and Lacatski that Roswell (1947) was a real crash, with craft and non-human bodies sent to Wright-Patterson's Foreign Technology Division
• 2Ryder allegedly said the CIA controls the legacy program, the Department of Energy provides a secrecy umbrella, and Lockheed holds 12 non-human craft
• 3A planned transfer of a bell- or acorn-shaped craft, said to be larger inside than outside, was allegedly blocked by a CIA gatekeeper the hosts identify as Glenn Gaffney; DIA denied the special access program in November 2009 despite a June 2009 letter from Senator Harry Reid
• 4TRW is named as the original prime contractor for reverse engineering, with subcontracts to Battelle and EG&G, before Northrop Grumman acquired TRW in 2002
• 5Stratton says a dying alien sent a telepathic message to a soldier: 'You humans have no idea of your potential'; he also says DIA's UAP files were secretly scrubbed
• 6On Fox News with Bret Baier, Stratton said non-human intelligence is here, that he has personally seen non-human beings and craft, and that the president has not been fully briefed

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