12 UFOs at Lockheed? Unpacking Jay Stratton’s Claims

Summary

Andy McGrillen and Pavel of CicoActivo dissect former senior US intelligence official Jay Stratton's new memoir 'Out of the Shadows,' which claims a hidden 'legacy program' has been recovering and reverse engineering non-human craft. The standout allegation, relayed from Lockheed's Jim Ryder, is that Lockheed held 12 recovered craft of non-human origin around 2009, with some occupants captured alive before dying. The hosts weigh whether the book delivers bombshells, breadcrumbs, or BS, noting that much of it is secondhand and that Stratton calls out unnamed whistleblowers and media proxies without naming them.

Key takeaways

• 1Stratton says Lockheed's Jim Ryder (who worked under Skunk Works chief Ben Rich) told him Lockheed held 12 recovered non-human craft around 2009, reportedly corroborated by Eric Davis and Hal Puthoff
• 2The book alleges some craft occupants were dead on arrival, while others were alive but later died after refusing food or contact
• 3Stratton claims a CIA gatekeeper flatly refused Ryder's proposal to transfer a craft into the AAWSAP effort after Harry Reid was briefed, and names the CIA Directorate of Science and Technology as the program's main secret keeper
• 4The book opens with Stratton seeing a gray, large-headed non-human being outside his son's window in March 2014; it also describes an orb temporarily curing his son's kidney disease
• 5Stratton accuses Sean Kirkpatrick of acting as a patsy for the legacy program and mishandling evidence, and says the legacy program uses podcasters and foreign and domestic reporters as proxies to shape public perception
• 6Stratton describes Marco Rubio rebuking a senator for making a UFO joke during a classified UAP briefing, and refers to AATIP as a 'nickname' he created for AAWSAP

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